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bloodofthelamb:
Hier, I would have love to quote you phrase by phrase but I can't. All the same MuttleyLaff have done justice to it.

Let me give an illustration. I am Igbo by flesh, if through the Spirit of the Lord I am able to prophecy or give a word of knowledge in Hausa language(tongue). Surely my understanding will be unfruitful because I myself do not understand Hausa but those whom my prophecy is directed to will.

The gift of speaking in tongues(languages) and its interpretation thrives where there is language barrier.

You are getting it mixed up, I am talking about speaking in tongue as a prayer. I have quoted two verse that referenced speaking in tongue as a prayer, you are still clinging to it being a language. Well, like I told Muttlelaf, I don't think it would be wise forging ahead on this topic, yea, I think this is how far we can go on the subject. Shalom

PS: I am not saying speaking in tongue can't be used as a means of reaching out to those with other language, what I'm saying is, I think I get it now, cause it seem you've not spoken in tongues before, well, if that's the point, I think your case is understandable and I might have to apologize based on your limited Knowledge or lack of experience, you know I have discovered those who doesn't speak in tongues always attack speaking in tongues and I believe that's exactly the case here.

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SarkinYarki:
APC is shameless

Buhari is a joke gone bad

In 2015, Atiku was with APC. He laboured for the party, spent on the party and even volunteered his private jet for Buhari/Osinbajo campaign shuttle. He was then seen as a compatriot and loyalist. He teamed up with other APC members and consciously rooted and voted for Buhari. Then, Atiku wasn't corrupt.

Today, Atiku is an opponent against APC and he's now corrupt. They didn't know him to be corrupt when he was in their gathering. Gone are the days when people result to personal vendetta to gain masses' votes and sympathy. Nigerians, don't let anyone use your head to play ludo game. Let's debate policy on how we can move Nigeria ahead and hold government accountable.

Corruption is a very serious issue but is too primitive for our advanced intellect and the country underdevelopment status. Let's talk idealistic development policies that we need to move this country forward. We can count at least 10 corruption scandals in Buhari's government that have not been addressed.

We are too fixated on corruption and the only national anthem that comes out of Buhari's mouth is "I will fight corruption". Yet his government has not successfully won any corruption case. We forget about serious policies such as health, education, population, security, economy/business environment etc. Our people should embrace critical thinking and ask themselves how Nigeria and its people have improved in the almost four years of this administration.

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lionness:
Everything is wrong with this trash called Nigeria!
Imagine, SARS raided an orphanage near by farm last year and jailed the orphanage manager and all the children, and they were all locked up in a cell for over one month. There was a one and half year old baby in the cell among eleven others babies and the owner of the orphanage who was charged with child trafficking eventually settled with 1m before their release. We in Nigeria know that our country is the worst and most useless entity known to man and God. How can a baby be in jail for chrissake and the First Lady who is supposed to be the mother of the nation is only concerned about her cousin becoming a governor. It's a shame they keep dividing we the foooish people. They always divide us using their two shades weapon: religion and tribalism. This country is fqd!!!!!!!!

I think you should join politics and make a differences. Be part of the answer and to be sincere, we need lot more people like you to fix things in this country and we can all work together towards making Nigeria a jewel. Are you in or out, am a coordinator in a movement that seeks to be nationwide and we all can be answers to what need answers.

bloodofthelamb:
Hier I have some Chinese guys around me. Whenever they begin to communicate in their tongue, it becomes an unknown tongue to me because I do not understand them.

Whatever I do not understand is a mystery to me.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Tongues of men, can be understood by men, tongues of Angels, they are spiritual words that spirits only can understand.

But, Paul spoke the two. Tongue of men and tongue of Angel.

1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

If I pray in an unknown tongues, I really don't know where folks came or limit tongues to being a language, Paul said my understanding is unfruitful when I'm praying. This is Paul talking about his quiet time, if I pray(Paul praying in the Spirit) I do not understand what I'm saying. But what am saying are mysteries.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered

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MuttleyLaff:
You can't continue or not continue, do what you like.

I am not seeking faults but I do see gaping wide holes bigger than a Swiss Cottage cheese.
You expect me to roll over at your gaffs. Right?

Don't cut your nose off, to spite your face.
Don't be like those babies who throw their dummies out of the pram, just because they've been found out.

Like I said, I didn't read you sharing much, in the other thread, so I don't know what you are on about, trying to make out as if anything went on in there.

For starters, it is not "though" but it is "if"

Secondly, I doubt you are familiar with biblical hyperboles.

Lastly, if I should say:
If Mr O spray hier with one million dollars
but his wife and kids haven't eaten for days,
then he has misplaced his priorities

Now, tell me, does anywhere in that my last statement above, automatically means Mr O has a million dollars?

You are digging a bigger hole for yourself with such a comment like this.

Remember there is no short-cuts.
Speaking in tongues is not a short-cut mechanism.
It is not a talisman, nor is it a ploy to confuse the devil or demons with the content of the prayer by speaking in unknown tongues.

When one's spirit is tuned in and is in tune with the Holy Spirit, that one will know how to pray in the spirit and according to the will of God.
Do you know why the spirit groans?

Alright, I created that thread under one of my monikers, I.e. Godsmopol, and the thread was littered with endless what so call. I really don't enjoy having conversations with you, and having one of its kind on the same topic is not I would have given a second thought. But you know what, God can raise stones out of those who throw stones. Paul is a perfect example.

The verse I quote was King James Version, a popular and most recognised Bible translation, and in case you care to use your king James Translation, it say, Though I speak.

Well, I believe that would be all I have to say, I would save the rest for those who have perfect understanding of Spiritual things, Shalom

MuttleyLaff:
I dont see in my bible where it is called tongues, where is it called tongues?

Read the last sentence of your comment.
You said, one that's prayed whenever we are less busy or something.

Rhetorics.
You can fall out with yourself

I think I won't continue this conversation anymore, you are seeking for faults and it's all a waste of time, like in the former thread.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
TONGUES OF ANGELS - MEN CAN NOT UNDERSTAND yea, men eat Angels bread

Concerning where I said one we pray when we are less busy, what I meant is, we pray when we are less busy. The Bible said that we should attend to the Lord without distraction, if you are not distracted, you are less busy, I believe we close from there, bye

MuttleyLaff:
It is tantamount to criminality to want to censor.
You have nothing better to say, except for throwing innuendos.

This is what indoctrination and bad midwifery experience causes.

Are you aware speaking in tongues, is not a quick fix or shortcut substitute to actual and outright interpretable prayers?
Are you aware there are bliblical laid down guidelines for speaking in tongues?
Are you aware of the reason, who for, speaking in tongues were and are given?

Pray to God, for the Spirit of truth to show and guide you to all truth about the matter

I don't read you in that link, saying much.
I perceive you knew that you are skating on thin ice
You knew soon will be found out and so you quitted

Thank you so much for your response,
although expected examples weren't given, I am still grateful to you for sharing with us what the verse means.

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He speaketh
(voice)
>> He that speaketh Russia

no man understandeth
(the voice is not understood by any man)
>> Igbo/Yoruba/Hausa wouldn't understand him

he speaketh mysteries
( the voice is a mystery no one understands).
>> Russian voice is a mystery to them,
as no one of them understands what he is saying

It's called tongues of Angel, no man understandeth him, no man can understand him, now the fact still remains, it's a form of prayer, one that's prayed whenever we are less busy or sth, tongues can be prayed everywhere, just that, as Paul mentioned, the Spirit of the prophet(speaker) is subject to the speaker, meaning if he tends to get loud as to disturbing the church with with the unknown tongues, he can lower his voice, not to create a disturbance

Evolution is a heap of junk from calculated ignorant men.

Why does anyone want to prove there is no God, firstly, one that hates God and feel threatened by his presence.

We live in a world where many anti-God enterprises are been set up or built with multi-billion of dollars and for their businesses to remain profitable without any interfere by a supreme being, they need to eliminate the threat by promoting a course even though it's all faulty from the root, you mentioned that a chemistry scientist proved evolution from a test tube, the question is, who approved of his research, it's just unfortunate we don't have much Christians to disprove those facts they put up everyday, and like I said, the lie keeps some business tycoon profitable, people spend wastefully and live luxurious lives, without being constrained. That's what the whole heap of junk is all about, have a blessed day

vaxx:
You are scientifically ignorant or perhaps intentional ignorant.

Your write-up is basically founded on ignorant excuses.

Evolution is a heap of junk from calculated ignorant men.

Why does anyone want to prove there is no God, firstly, one that hates God and feel threatened by his presence.

We live in a world where many anti-God enterprises are been set up or built with multi-billion of dollars and for their businesses to remain profitable without any interfere by a supreme being, they need to eliminate the threat by promoting a course even though it's all faulty from the root, you mentioned that a chemistry scientist proved evolution from a test tube, the question is, who approved of his research, it's just unfortunate we don't have much Christians to disprove those facts they put up everyday, and like I said, the lie keeps some business tycoon profitable, people spend wastefully and live luxurious lives, without being constrained. That's what the whole heap of junk is all about, have a blessed day

ikechizoba:
Speaking in tongues has taken over my prayer life,l dread praying in public cos once l open my mouth,it keeps pouring out,even when l stopped praying for a long time,and felt the holy spirit has left me,the moment l decide to pray,it comes up after few minutes of prayer,it comes with a surge and movement l can't control,l always find myself moving in different direction,style while speaking in tongues without control,sometimes l moan ,more like singing what l don't know,l always feel dizzy and sick after such section,it take me extra effort to stop praying cos l don't understand what l say or do, but the bitter part is that l don't feel fulfilled because l feel l wasn't given the opportunity to say what l have in mind,l feel so unsure .

I would advise you meet the pastor or the person who prayed for you for advise. Always be open,don't keep some things to yourself, they understand this things better than you do, and they can give you the proper tutilling you need. There was an Elijah for Elisha, God has set some in the church, for our growth and edification
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

MuttleyLaff:
Hier, please explain, in such a way, a six-year-old, could in toto understand, what that 1 Corinthians 14:2 verse means
and support with example(s) to illustrate the meaning.
Thank you.

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From the above link, we've had this conversation and I perceived the journey was not going to be profitable for me, so I quitted.

What does the verse mean, here is what the verse says,

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

He speaketh(voice)

no man understandeth (the voice is not understood by any man)

he speaketh mysteries ( the voice is a mystery no one understands).

As bolded

vaxx:
,Do your own homework, don't just assumed unneccasry. learn the differences between Acquired Characteristics and Natural Selection, and answer your own homework questions yourself. Darwin don't teach genetic, it is beyond is own scope.


.....Just six days ago, a noble award in chemistry was given to the scientists who demonstrate evolution in a text tube...

To prove there is evolution, a lot of false assumptions have been made and that's the point of countering the whole Scam. Remain Scammed(Blessed)

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udydecency:
After all d grammar, yet u cud not mention a name of all d people u think can take Nigeria to d promised land.

The whole idea is a work in progress, that's what the grammar is all about, coming up with a third force that would be the third option, a third option that would eventually become first, hence the ruling parties become history, if you want to be a part of it, welcome onboard, we can make it a reality, let's I forget, its a selfless movement

bloodofthelamb:
Yeah speaking in tongue (other human language you are not familiar with)is a wonderful gift, not the kind we practice today.

Speaking what is not interpreatable.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

nwabekeyi:
Abeg, bible gurus please help me with this. I was reading the story of the great flood of Noah's era. Two questions just kept ringing in my head.
1. If all specie of animals where selected in pairs of male and female and we know the Noah's ark was in the Asia, how did specie of animals that are domicile in Africa, Australia and the Americas cross the seas and oceans to get to the Ark in Asia?

2. After the flood how did say for example an African lion and all other animals local to Africa cross the red or indian ocean to get back to Africa or how did kangaroos and other animals local to Australia cross the Indian ocean to get back to their locality from Asia, where the Noah's ark was built and where it stopped?

DNA, cause every two of their kind entered the ark. A male and a female, they mate after, and through DNA they became what we have today.

Most likely, through travels and transportation, they find their way back to other parts of the world.

When the perfect time comes for me to know about some truth, God would naturally inspire me to read along those line,

Jesus said, the word that I speak are Spirit and life.

DavidEsq:
U seem to disagree with 2 Timothy 3:16,17. That's for another day, tho. Back to the issue at hand in my oda quote, pls.

I disagree with knowing all the Bible verses in the Bible without knowing what they have for me. I read the Bible for life. I could read a Bible verse for a week or months, I do lot of meditation, and while meditating. I would have to relate verses based on my knowledge or inspired inspiration. Here is it, its like a ship with an anchor, I can't read the whole Bible from cover to cover, simply because I can't. While reading, I will surely stop at a verse. that verse becomes a book at the end of the day. So, I believe we will pull the curtain from here, you are taking me too fast than I can go, funny enough, we seem to agree on something, but like I said, too quick.

DavidEsq:
Good. The bible supports ur answer that God does not abandon his purposes. That he wld fulfil his purposes, no matter what. We see dis at Isaiah 55:11. Kindly read it, pls.
When u have read it, we wld then pick out bible verses which show that God wld fulfil that original purpose of man living forever on earth. That arrangement is wat we wld consider now, but first, read Isaiah 55:11.

Life is in stages and men are in sizes, Isaiah 55:11 is one of my favorite verse. One problem am having while continuing this process is, my spirit might not really see those verses in the light you see them. In that light, go forward in this dialogue might not be convinent, reason being that, the same Isaiah 55:11, is a favorite verse of mine, I have meditated on it and I have drawn so much from that verse. I use Isaiah 55:11 in the light of a confession. I use it in the light of my words. We interacting with God based on how God would want us to perceive Him. In that light, I pull the curtain. I sure would read up on that later, I mean the thereafter, but I don't think I need those knowledge now. I want to rooted in what God will have me do in life and how to fulfil my purpose on earth, I consider those teachings tertiary, I mean and not profitable for me at this moment. Bye

DavidEsq:
2 Timothy 3:16,17: "ALL Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."
The implication of 2 Timothy 3:16 is that when we don't read ALL the scriptures, we wld likely make erroneous opinions, doctrines, etc. This is because, the bible answers itself. So we wld be depriving ourselves of the completeness and accurate knowledge that God offers us thru his word, the bible.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

I stick to the part God wants me to stick to, so I feed the church better in that regard. Winners - Faith and prosperity, Deeper life - Holiness and Righteousness, Pentecostals- Dynamic of the Spirit, Kenyon- Redemption, Mountain of Fire - liberation and deliverance, CAC -Adura(Prayer), etc

I stick to my script, that's my scriptures.

DavidEsq:
I appreciate ur honesty: @ the highlighted. Now if God's purpose was that man was to live forever on earth, do u think he has abandoned that purpose? That's the next question.

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No, Sin was more like a diversion or detraction or a delay I would say, and the renewed men would continue in the light of where we stopped in the growth process.

Let's have it at the back of our mind that, those with the born again and recreated spirit, which the Holy Spirit emphasized would be like Him when we see Him, shall be the ones who would continue the journey in Gods plan or will for us.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Let's continue

DavidEsq:
We wld treat the issue of "which particular earth" very soon, but first, I believe u do not disagree with that scripture. Now earth is different from heaven. Isn't it? So when u say all Christians will go to heaven, don't u see how dat scripture seeks to correct ur reasoning? Would u accept it's correction, like Nicodemus or oppose it like the rest of the Pharisees?
If u wld accept it's correction, then I believe the next question u wld likely ask is "wat about the part of the scriptures that refer to "us" going to heaven?
Is that ur next question? The bible can answer that question and I wish us to check it out.

Well, I'm still a student of the word, there are areas in the Bible I must accept I'm not deeply rooted in my understanding of them. About heaven, I would generalise that, heaven is the term being used for wherever God has prepared for us. I rarely read the book of revelation that talks about the thereafter, there are times I have to study a particular area or topic of the Bible as God would want me to. I prefer reading the letters of Paul, the Gospel and a bit of Gen (creation) those are the areas I give more attention to, or let me say, God wants me to give more attention. Learning is great, I have Christian books, but what's the essence of Christianity, go ye therefore into the world and make disciples. In my light of understanding, only necessity would warrant that I talk about some topics, the truth of the Bible is, there are more than one verse that addresses a subject. Your question, man was to live eternally without dying if they didn't eat the forbidden fruit, or conceived the thought that brought death.

heed101:
I don't want Buhari and I see Atiku as a desperado. Only God can help us

both options are not safe at all. by 2023, we believe APC and PDP would become history

DavidEsq:
That is true: @ the highlighted. Let me break down my question which u have not answered fully. Since there was death like u claim, therefore, from the beginning, man knew the consequences of disobeying God. Was it not man's disobedience that brought death (Romans 5:12)? Therefore since man had a choice (freewill) between obedience and disobedience, do u think man would have died, if he obeyed God? Would he not have been living forever? That's question 1.
Question 2 is: since God did not desire that man should disobey him, was it not his intention or purpose that man would live forever on earth?
Let's get these two questions answered. Then we wld move on to the next bible teaching.

The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to put these words down. We behold as in a glass, the Glory of the Father, are being transformed even by the same Spirit. The essence of God's creation was that we all become like Christ.

Hebrews 2:8-9, we see Jesus. but we did not see all things put under him, never mind if you don't understand, someone might.

To your question, Man was meant to live forever, sane way we would reign with the Son forever.

I'm just understanding something, we would keep learning in eternity, because Jesus said, in the Kingdom, the Children of the Kingdom would sit about their fathers to learn.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

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Adaptation as defined by evolutionist is the ability of organisms or living things to survive despite harsh or unfavourable circumstances, fact in the million or billions years suffix into it. An insignificant organism has transformed into a big monstrous creature. Here the question, if animals evolve into better forms, why do we still have predators and prey, because by evolving, we would have predators everywhere on earth, the hen which the hawk snatch her chick from her would have developed features which would be strong enough to outsmart the hawk, either by having the ability to fly until it recovers his chick back or one fictitious thing of that kind you know , at least Darwin said the Giraffe developed long neck by trying to eat from the tree, the hen should have been able to kill the hawk and the antelope having abilities to outsmart the lions and leopard, funny enough, cheetah is considered the fastest animal, I believe that should be the deer or antelope instead which has to run all their lives, yea I understand, the hustle is real.