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Christianity EtcRe: Interceding in Tongues by Hier(m): 4:58pm On Oct 10, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
You can't continue or not continue, do what you like.

I am not seeking faults but I do see gaping wide holes bigger than a Swiss Cottage cheese.
You expect me to roll over at your gaffs. Right?

Don't cut your nose off, to spite your face.
Don't be like those babies who throw their dummies out of the pram, just because they've been found out.

Like I said, I didn't read you sharing much, in the other thread, so I don't know what you are on about, trying to make out as if anything went on in there.

For starters, it is not "though" but it is "if"

Secondly, I doubt you are familiar with biblical hyperboles.

Lastly, if I should say:
If Mr O spray hier with one million dollars
but his wife and kids haven't eaten for days,
then he has misplaced his priorities

Now, tell me, does anywhere in that my last statement above, automatically means Mr O has a million dollars?

You are digging a bigger hole for yourself with such a comment like this.

Remember there is no short-cuts.
Speaking in tongues is not a short-cut mechanism.
It is not a talisman, nor is it a ploy to confuse the devil or demons with the content of the prayer by speaking in unknown tongues.

When one's spirit is tuned in and is in tune with the Holy Spirit, that one will know how to pray in the spirit and according to the will of God.
Do you know why the spirit groans?
Alright, I created that thread under one of my monikers, I.e. Godsmopol, and the thread was littered with endless what so call. I really don't enjoy having conversations with you, and having one of its kind on the same topic is not I would have given a second thought. But you know what, God can raise stones out of those who throw stones. Paul is a perfect example.

The verse I quote was King James Version, a popular and most recognised Bible translation, and in case you care to use your king James Translation, it say, Though I speak.

Well, I believe that would be all I have to say, I would save the rest for those who have perfect understanding of Spiritual things, Shalom
Christianity EtcRe: Interceding in Tongues by Hier(m): 2:44pm On Oct 10, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
I dont see in my bible where it is called tongues, where is it called tongues?

Read the last sentence of your comment.
You said, one that's prayed whenever we are less busy or something.

Rhetorics.
You can fall out with yourself
I think I won't continue this conversation anymore, you are seeking for faults and it's all a waste of time, like in the former thread.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
TONGUES OF ANGELS - MEN CAN NOT UNDERSTAND yea, men eat Angels bread

Concerning where I said one we pray when we are less busy, what I meant is, we pray when we are less busy. The Bible said that we should attend to the Lord without distraction, if you are not distracted, you are less busy, I believe we close from there, bye
Christianity EtcRe: Interceding in Tongues by Hier(m): 12:31pm On Oct 10, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
It is tantamount to criminality to want to censor.
You have nothing better to say, except for throwing innuendos.

This is what indoctrination and bad midwifery experience causes.

Are you aware speaking in tongues, is not a quick fix or shortcut substitute to actual and outright interpretable prayers?
Are you aware there are bliblical laid down guidelines for speaking in tongues?
Are you aware of the reason, who for, speaking in tongues were and are given?

Pray to God, for the Spirit of truth to show and guide you to all truth about the matter

I don't read you in that link, saying much.
I perceive you knew that you are skating on thin ice
You knew soon will be found out and so you quitted

Thank you so much for your response,
although expected examples weren't given, I am still grateful to you for sharing with us what the verse means.

He speaketh
(voice)
>> He that speaketh Russia

no man understandeth
(the voice is not understood by any man)
>> Igbo/Yoruba/Hausa wouldn't understand him

he speaketh mysteries
( the voice is a mystery no one understands).
>> Russian voice is a mystery to them,
as no one of them understands what he is saying
It's called tongues of Angel, no man understandeth him, no man can understand him, now the fact still remains, it's a form of prayer, one that's prayed whenever we are less busy or sth, tongues can be prayed everywhere, just that, as Paul mentioned, the Spirit of the prophet(speaker) is subject to the speaker, meaning if he tends to get loud as to disturbing the church with with the unknown tongues, he can lower his voice, not to create a disturbance
Christianity EtcEvolution - The Secret Towards Amassing Illegitimate Wealth, A Business Scheme by Hier(op): 11:57am On Oct 10, 2018
Evolution is a heap of junk from calculated ignorant men.

Why does anyone want to prove there is no God, firstly, one that hates God and feel threatened by his presence.

We live in a world where many anti-God enterprises are been set up or built with multi-billion of dollars and for their businesses to remain profitable without any interfere by a supreme being, they need to eliminate the threat by promoting a course even though it's all faulty from the root, you mentioned that a chemistry scientist proved evolution from a test tube, the question is, who approved of his research, it's just unfortunate we don't have much Christians to disprove those facts they put up everyday, and like I said, the lie keeps some business tycoon profitable, people spend wastefully and live luxurious lives, without being constrained. That's what the whole heap of junk is all about, have a blessed day
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution: Scam Or Fact by Hier(op): 11:55am On Oct 10, 2018
vaxx:
You are scientifically ignorant or perhaps intentional ignorant.

Your write-up is basically founded on ignorant excuses.
Evolution is a heap of junk from calculated ignorant men.

Why does anyone want to prove there is no God, firstly, one that hates God and feel threatened by his presence.

We live in a world where many anti-God enterprises are been set up or built with multi-billion of dollars and for their businesses to remain profitable without any interfere by a supreme being, they need to eliminate the threat by promoting a course even though it's all faulty from the root, you mentioned that a chemistry scientist proved evolution from a test tube, the question is, who approved of his research, it's just unfortunate we don't have much Christians to disprove those facts they put up everyday, and like I said, the lie keeps some business tycoon profitable, people spend wastefully and live luxurious lives, without being constrained. That's what the whole heap of junk is all about, have a blessed day
Christianity EtcRe: Interceding in Tongues by Hier(m): 11:36am On Oct 10, 2018
ikechizoba:
Speaking in tongues has taken over my prayer life,l dread praying in public cos once l open my mouth,it keeps pouring out,even when l stopped praying for a long time,and felt the holy spirit has left me,the moment l decide to pray,it comes up after few minutes of prayer,it comes with a surge and movement l can't control,l always find myself moving in different direction,style while speaking in tongues without control,sometimes l moan ,more like singing what l don't know,l always feel dizzy and sick after such section,it take me extra effort to stop praying cos l don't understand what l say or do, but the bitter part is that l don't feel fulfilled because l feel l wasn't given the opportunity to say what l have in mind,l feel so unsure .
I would advise you meet the pastor or the person who prayed for you for advise. Always be open,don't keep some things to yourself, they understand this things better than you do, and they can give you the proper tutilling you need. There was an Elijah for Elisha, God has set some in the church, for our growth and edification
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Christianity EtcRe: Interceding in Tongues by Hier(m): 11:24am On Oct 10, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Hier, please explain, in such a way, a six-year-old, could in toto understand, what that 1 Corinthians 14:2 verse means
and support with example(s) to illustrate the meaning.
Thank you.
https://www.nairaland.com/4136496/these-men-drunk-wine-misconception/1

From the above link, we've had this conversation and I perceived the journey was not going to be profitable for me, so I quitted.

What does the verse mean, here is what the verse says,

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

He speaketh(voice)

no man understandeth (the voice is not understood by any man)

he speaketh mysteries ( the voice is a mystery no one understands).

As bolded
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution: Scam Or Fact by Hier(op): 11:02am On Oct 10, 2018
vaxx:
,Do your own homework, don't just assumed unneccasry. learn the differences between Acquired Characteristics and Natural Selection, and answer your own homework questions yourself. Darwin don't teach genetic, it is beyond is own scope.


.....Just six days ago, a noble award in chemistry was given to the scientists who demonstrate evolution in a text tube...
To prove there is evolution, a lot of false assumptions have been made and that's the point of countering the whole Scam. Remain Scammed(Blessed)
PoliticsRe: Student Wing Of ANN Endorses Fela Durotoye As Presidential Candidate For ANN by Hier(m): 10:54am On Oct 10, 2018
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PoliticsRe: Governor Ibrahim Dankwambo Supports Atiku by Hier(m): 10:53am On Oct 10, 2018
udydecency:
After all d grammar, yet u cud not mention a name of all d people u think can take Nigeria to d promised land.
The whole idea is a work in progress, that's what the grammar is all about, coming up with a third force that would be the third option, a third option that would eventually become first, hence the ruling parties become history, if you want to be a part of it, welcome onboard, we can make it a reality, let's I forget, its a selfless movement
Christianity EtcRe: Interceding in Tongues by Hier(m): 11:05pm On Oct 09, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
Yeah speaking in tongue (other human language you are not familiar with)is a wonderful gift, not the kind we practice today.

Speaking what is not interpreatable.
1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Bible Gurus Help Answer These Questions? by Hier(m):
nwabekeyi:
Abeg, bible gurus please help me with this. I was reading the story of the great flood of Noah's era. Two questions just kept ringing in my head.
1. If all specie of animals where selected in pairs of male and female and we know the Noah's ark was in the Asia, how did specie of animals that are domicile in Africa, Australia and the Americas cross the seas and oceans to get to the Ark in Asia?

2. After the flood how did say for example an African lion and all other animals local to Africa cross the red or indian ocean to get back to Africa or how did kangaroos and other animals local to Australia cross the Indian ocean to get back to their locality from Asia, where the Noah's ark was built and where it stopped?
DNA, cause every two of their kind entered the ark. A male and a female, they mate after, and through DNA they became what we have today.

Most likely, through travels and transportation, they find their way back to other parts of the world.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 10:46pm On Oct 09, 2018
When the perfect time comes for me to know about some truth, God would naturally inspire me to read along those line,

Jesus said, the word that I speak are Spirit and life.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 10:42pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
U seem to disagree with 2 Timothy 3:16,17. That's for another day, tho. Back to the issue at hand in my oda quote, pls.
I disagree with knowing all the Bible verses in the Bible without knowing what they have for me. I read the Bible for life. I could read a Bible verse for a week or months, I do lot of meditation, and while meditating. I would have to relate verses based on my knowledge or inspired inspiration. Here is it, its like a ship with an anchor, I can't read the whole Bible from cover to cover, simply because I can't. While reading, I will surely stop at a verse. that verse becomes a book at the end of the day. So, I believe we will pull the curtain from here, you are taking me too fast than I can go, funny enough, we seem to agree on something, but like I said, too quick.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 10:33pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
Good. The bible supports ur answer that God does not abandon his purposes. That he wld fulfil his purposes, no matter what. We see dis at Isaiah 55:11. Kindly read it, pls.
When u have read it, we wld then pick out bible verses which show that God wld fulfil that original purpose of man living forever on earth. That arrangement is wat we wld consider now, but first, read Isaiah 55:11.
Life is in stages and men are in sizes, Isaiah 55:11 is one of my favorite verse. One problem am having while continuing this process is, my spirit might not really see those verses in the light you see them. In that light, go forward in this dialogue might not be convinent, reason being that, the same Isaiah 55:11, is a favorite verse of mine, I have meditated on it and I have drawn so much from that verse. I use Isaiah 55:11 in the light of a confession. I use it in the light of my words. We interacting with God based on how God would want us to perceive Him. In that light, I pull the curtain. I sure would read up on that later, I mean the thereafter, but I don't think I need those knowledge now. I want to rooted in what God will have me do in life and how to fulfil my purpose on earth, I consider those teachings tertiary, I mean and not profitable for me at this moment. Bye
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 10:18pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
2 Timothy 3:16,17: "ALL Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."
The implication of 2 Timothy 3:16 is that when we don't read ALL the scriptures, we wld likely make erroneous opinions, doctrines, etc. This is because, the bible answers itself. So we wld be depriving ourselves of the completeness and accurate knowledge that God offers us thru his word, the bible.
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

I stick to the part God wants me to stick to, so I feed the church better in that regard. Winners - Faith and prosperity, Deeper life - Holiness and Righteousness, Pentecostals- Dynamic of the Spirit, Kenyon- Redemption, Mountain of Fire - liberation and deliverance, CAC -Adura(Prayer), etc

I stick to my script, that's my scriptures.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 10:10pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
I appreciate ur honesty: @ the highlighted. Now if God's purpose was that man was to live forever on earth, do u think he has abandoned that purpose? That's the next question.
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No, Sin was more like a diversion or detraction or a delay I would say, and the renewed men would continue in the light of where we stopped in the growth process.

Let's have it at the back of our mind that, those with the born again and recreated spirit, which the Holy Spirit emphasized would be like Him when we see Him, shall be the ones who would continue the journey in Gods plan or will for us.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Let's continue
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 10:01pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
We wld treat the issue of "which particular earth" very soon, but first, I believe u do not disagree with that scripture. Now earth is different from heaven. Isn't it? So when u say all Christians will go to heaven, don't u see how dat scripture seeks to correct ur reasoning? Would u accept it's correction, like Nicodemus or oppose it like the rest of the Pharisees?
If u wld accept it's correction, then I believe the next question u wld likely ask is "wat about the part of the scriptures that refer to "us" going to heaven?
Is that ur next question? The bible can answer that question and I wish us to check it out.
Well, I'm still a student of the word, there are areas in the Bible I must accept I'm not deeply rooted in my understanding of them. About heaven, I would generalise that, heaven is the term being used for wherever God has prepared for us. I rarely read the book of revelation that talks about the thereafter, there are times I have to study a particular area or topic of the Bible as God would want me to. I prefer reading the letters of Paul, the Gospel and a bit of Gen (creation) those are the areas I give more attention to, or let me say, God wants me to give more attention. Learning is great, I have Christian books, but what's the essence of Christianity, go ye therefore into the world and make disciples. In my light of understanding, only necessity would warrant that I talk about some topics, the truth of the Bible is, there are more than one verse that addresses a subject. Your question, man was to live eternally without dying if they didn't eat the forbidden fruit, or conceived the thought that brought death.
PoliticsRe: Photos Of Kamaludden Bashir Who Trekked For Atiku From Zaria To Abuja by Hier(m): 9:45pm On Oct 09, 2018
heed101:
I don't want Buhari and I see Atiku as a desperado. Only God can help us
both options are not safe at all. by 2023, we believe APC and PDP would become history
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 9:43pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
That is true: @ the highlighted. Let me break down my question which u have not answered fully. Since there was death like u claim, therefore, from the beginning, man knew the consequences of disobeying God. Was it not man's disobedience that brought death (Romans 5:12)? Therefore since man had a choice (freewill) between obedience and disobedience, do u think man would have died, if he obeyed God? Would he not have been living forever? That's question 1.
Question 2 is: since God did not desire that man should disobey him, was it not his intention or purpose that man would live forever on earth?
Let's get these two questions answered. Then we wld move on to the next bible teaching.
The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to put these words down. We behold as in a glass, the Glory of the Father, are being transformed even by the same Spirit. The essence of God's creation was that we all become like Christ.

Hebrews 2:8-9, we see Jesus. but we did not see all things put under him, never mind if you don't understand, someone might.

To your question, Man was meant to live forever, sane way we would reign with the Son forever.

I'm just understanding something, we would keep learning in eternity, because Jesus said, in the Kingdom, the Children of the Kingdom would sit about their fathers to learn.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 9:39pm On Oct 09, 2018
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PoliticsRe: Governor Ibrahim Dankwambo Supports Atiku by Hier(m): 6:43pm On Oct 09, 2018
*THE SECOND MISTAKE*

The first mistake was thinking President Mohammed Buhari is the perfect replacement for Goodluck Jonathan, while the second mistake most Nigerians are about to make is, to believe Atiku Abubakar is the perfect replacement for President Mohammed Buhari.

Let's talk about the real mistake. The real mistake is our inability to unite and bring out a third and fourth candidate that would be most perfect for the office, not for the election. Just as wedding is said to be a day event, while marriage is lifetime in nature. Election is a day event, the tenure lasts four years. Think *_four years_*, is it about winning the election, or having the perfect leader who is more than a replacement, we need a leader with the answers. We need visionary leaders who are perfect leader with the ability to rule this nation and bring us to greatness.

Truthfully, all Nigeria needs right now is a choice among the best. There are better candidates out there than the popular gladiators in today's politics. I believe Nigeria politics is evolving and Parties and Movements like our are the future of Nigeria politics. Let's build together and hope the evolution of Nigeria politics is as speedy as our continual devotion towards putting the right catalyst in place to speeden the evolution. We all have a role to play, we have responsibilities to take up and we have a Nigeria to build.

Join; let's build faster.
Volunteer; let's build stronger.
Mobilize; let's build wider.

Share and Join
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Christianity EtcEvolution: Scam Or Fact by Hier(op): 6:27pm On Oct 09, 2018
Adaptation as defined by evolutionist is the ability of organisms or living things to survive despite harsh or unfavourable circumstances, fact in the million or billions years suffix into it. An insignificant organism has transformed into a big monstrous creature. Here the question, if animals evolve into better forms, why do we still have predators and prey, because by evolving, we would have predators everywhere on earth, the hen which the hawk snatch her chick from her would have developed features which would be strong enough to outsmart the hawk, either by having the ability to fly until it recovers his chick back or one fictitious thing of that kind you know grin grin, at least Darwin said the Giraffe developed long neck by trying to eat from the tree, the hen should have been able to kill the hawk and the antelope having abilities to outsmart the lions and leopard, funny enough, cheetah is considered the fastest animal, I believe that should be the deer or antelope instead which has to run all their lives, yea I understand, the hustle is real.
CelebritiesRe: Wizkid’s Third Babymama, Jada Pollock Shares New Pictures Of Her Son, Zion by Hier(m): 6:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
MrThisandthat:
Lets End This Once and For All..

Like For Atiku, Share For Buhari
A third force is preferable
Christianity EtcRe: Mind Of Christ by Hier(m): 5:21pm On Oct 09, 2018
Nice thread sir, I saw this recently, it says

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

One awesome thing about the time is the cross referencing, in so many part of the gospel, we see verses such as, that it might be fulfilled that which was spoken by a Prophet long ago. I love it whenever I read the books of Acts, I believe that where the blueprint of Christianity is, how the Church today should live their life. Acts 7 is one of my favorite, together with Acts 10(Evangelism) and Acts 19 (Discipleship) He said, make disciples of all nations, I have learnt so much by asking questions. I don't know if you would find that information helpful, why I said them, I cannot tell.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 3:55pm On Oct 09, 2018
pressplay411:
Very insightful thread.
Thanks Op.
My understanding so far is;
I am a spirit, with a soul and I live inside a body.
Our true self is our spirit.

When Adam and Eve ate the apple, truly as God warned them, they died. Because God is not man, that He should lie.
But their death is not the type we are familiar with as humans.
It was a spiritual death.

Jesus Christ categorised all who were not his disciples as being dead.
Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and preach the kingdom of God.”
Luke 9:60

When we come into Christ, we are resurrected from death. Our spirits awaken.

But our soul (mind, thoughts) is the same.
Our soul has only been exposed to the desires of the flesh all our lives, hence it is so carnal (flesh-controlled).

The human soul without the Holyspirit makes one dead even though he's alive physically.
Just as when God created Adam, he created him as a soul. But until God breathed His Spirit inside Adam did he become a Living Soul.

Which is why a Christian does not notice any physical changes when he gives his life to Christ by the Confession prayer. It is a spiritual rebirth. To be Born-again.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17

Now the man becomes both a spiritual man and a carnal man. The carnality is because of the things we have exposed our minds (soul) to all our lives.
It now becomes a journey, of renewing and transforming our minds through the Holy Spirit by replacing our old beliefs and thoughts to the Word of God. Our opinions becone shaped by what the Wotd of God says, not what we have been ecposed to by our cultures, hearsays, education, etc.
This is the Way of Faith.
This is how Faith comes.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Romans 10:17

And we keep replacing our old thoughts with the word of God. This fills our souls (mind and thoughts) with the word of God and consequently builds our spirit.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

The goal is for our minds to be transformed into the mind of Christ.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 2:5

We have to keep yielding to the Holy Spirit and not our old inclinations of the flesh.

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Now to conclude, Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
The more of the Word we have inside our minds, the more of Christ-likeness we are being transformed into. The more of the image and glory of God we become.
This does not mean, reading all of the bible. This is by the Holy Spirit leading us, teaching us and giving us understanding and Rhema of the Word of God.

18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:18

Peace, Mercy and Grace to us all in Jesus name.
Amen.
Thanks sir, they are perfect. The Bible said said this is eternal life, that they may know You(God) and Jesus whom though have sent.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 3:07pm On Oct 09, 2018
Olifiz:
See it this way the spirit ”Holy Spirit” beareth witness with our spirit “our mind” that we are children of God.

If ur mind doesn’t agree or believe n God the spirit can never bear witness with u. It’s doesnt mean literal spirit my dear.

Remember Gods original plan was humans to live forever on earth n that has not changed. So if humans have spirit that goes somewhere after death den it means God is a liar n it means Satan was sayin the truth. Remember in the garden of eden Wen Satan deceived the first humans Adam n eve he told them that if they eat the fruit that Dey won’t die n that’s a direct challenge to God. Remember after they sinned they were cast out n God condemned dem to die. So now if u believe humans don’t really die that something survives don’t u think Satan might b right n God lie which is impossible!!!
The Bible said the SOUL THAT SINS WILL DIE....now my question to u is this What is the Soul? Pls bro answer this question.
The soul is what defines us, what separate us from others. Why we reason, analyse and perceive things the way we perceive them and why we take the actions we take. So, when the Biblical says the Soul that sinneth, it was defining the exact person, the person that took those wrong decision and action shall die.

The Spirit of man is that part of us that comprehend or perceive spiritual things. The mind can't understand God, to use your mind (soul) you need all your physical body part, but God is a Spirit and its the coming together of our spirit, which have perceived a being to be God and the Holy Spirit which leads us using our spirit that makes us please God
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op):
Olifiz:
See it this way the spirit ”Holy Spirit” beareth witness with our spirit “our mind”John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.that we are children of God.

If ur mind doesn’t agree or believe n God the spirit can never bear witness with u. It’s doesnt mean literal spirit my dear.

Remember Gods original plan was humans to live forever on earth n that has not changed. So if humans have spirit that goes somewhere after death den it means God is a liar n it means Satan was sayin the truth. Remember in the garden of eden Wen Satan deceived the first humans Adam n eve he told them that if they eat the fruit that Dey won’t die n that’s a direct challenge to God. Remember after they sinned they were cast out n God condemned dem to die. So now if u believe humans don’t really die that something survives don’t u think Satan might b right n God lie which is impossible!!!
The Bible said the SOUL THAT SINS WILL DIE....now my question to u is this What is the Soul? Pls bro answer this question.
grin grin hmmmmmm, when a man is possessed with a spirit, which part of him does the spirit stays. I have to say this so we can tell if its the mind or the spirit of the man.

I never said anything like a spirit was going somewhere and about any spirit going anywhere, I don't know about that, immediately the body dies and while awaiting judgement. All I know is, God is a Spirit, God addresses us based on the state of our spirit, and I am personalised convinced above all doubt that if a born again Christian is born by the spirit.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

It means those born of the Spirit are of God, meaning they are born of God, and they have the life and nature of God in them, this nature of God in them is the ticket that guarantee who goes to heaven or not, and that's what the thread is all about
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 2:22pm On Oct 09, 2018
Olifiz:
I will totally fault u on this one.
Firstly worshiping God in spirit n truth doesn’t mean that we have spirits in our body but for he’s worshippers to believe in him n worship him without the use of images. In ur mind u have to be convinced n the truth means no one has seen God so no one can know what he looks like to make carvings or images of him n mage an act of worship. U quoted somewhere in acts that says new spirit will be put within you” it is not a literal statement it’s symbolic. In Pentecost 33ce wen people where filled with Holt spirit so does that mean so to speak God removed their soul in replaced it? Paul was reffering to the holy spirit not human spirit if there’s anything like that.

God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”​—JOHN 4:24.

1. What kind of worship pleases God?

Gods only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, left no doubt about worship that pleases his heavenly Father. While giving a heartwarming witness to a Samaritan woman at a well near the city of Sychar, Jesus said: “You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:22-24) How are we to understand those words?

2. On what did the Samaritans base their worship?

2 The Samaritans had false religious views. They accepted as inspired only the first five books of the Holy Scriptures​—and these just in their own recension, called the Samaritan Pentateuch. Whereas the Samaritans did not really know God, the Jews had been entrusted with Scriptural knowledge. (Romans 3:1, 2) It was possible for faithful Jews and others to enjoy Jehovah’s favor. But what would this require of them?

3. What is required in order to worship God “with spirit and truth”?

3 To please God, what did Jews, Samaritans, and others of the past have to do? They had to worship him “with spirit and truth.” So must we. Although service to God must be spirited, or zealous, and motivated by a heart filled with love and faith, worshiping God with spirit especially requires that we have his holy spirit resting upon us and allow ourselves to be guided by it. Through study and application of God’s Word, our mind, or mental disposition, must be attuned to his. (1 Corinthians 2:8-12) For our worship to be acceptable to Jehovah, it must also be rendered to him with truth. It must conform to what God’s Word, the Bible, reveals about him and his purposes.
You sound pretty well like Jehovah Witness, but the truth remains that, the Bible is our standard.

If I may ask, what is your opinion about the Holy Spirit, his operations in the life of men, and how we are meant to interact and relate with Him, because Jesus said when he comes he shall direct us into all truth. It means when the Holy Spirit comes, we shall surely be able to tell the difference between Him and our mind.

Well, I haven't seen any place in the Bible where Christians are to serve God with their mind. God is a Spirit, and the best means to understand a Spirit is to be one or come to the state of one. cc didov1


1Cor 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The things of God are communicated to our spirit with the help of the Holy Spirit. We cannot serve God adequately without our spirit working together with the Holy Spirit[quote author=Hier post=71926718]1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 1:49pm On Oct 09, 2018
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

cc olifiz
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 1:45pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
Have u read Psalm 37:10,11 and 29? See also revelation 5:9-10. These scriptures show that OP's opinions at not entirely biblical.
You mean to say we shall reign on earth, this earth or another earth?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Goes To Heaven? by Hier(op): 1:31pm On Oct 09, 2018
DavidEsq:
In view of Genesis 1:28, 2:15, was it God's purpose or plan that Adam (who u say was a spirit) should die? Was death part of God's purpose for Adam? Pls kindly and reasonably answer these posers.
In the day thou eat of this tree, thou shall sure die.

There was something called death, if there was nothing called death, they won't surely die.

But how did death come, death came when Adam exercised the use of his soul, rather than his spirit.

Lemme give you the break down,

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And when she saw, what made her to saw, the use of the soul, the soul has to do with reasoning and you can convince the soul to do otherwise, its the reason why there are suicide bombers and other extremist, they have their souls been exercised on, and whoever is communicating to them at that point would be who's bidding they would carry out. But God said, though shall not eat, even before then, God gave the dominion of earth to man, and that includes dominion over the devil himself, the Bible said, Satan masquerade himself as an Angel of light, but truth still remain, though shall not eat, man ate, not because he normally would, but an external influence that he has authority over based on his dominion commanded him to and he followed the saying of a stranger over that of God

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