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But that is only your fault, because until now you have imagined everything Divine, everything that comes down from God, to be tenderly loving and all-forgiving, since that is what the churches have taught you!But these false teachings were only intellectual schemes aimed at the masscapture of human souls on earth.

In order to catch something, a bait is needed that is attractive to everything at which it is aimed. The right choice of bait is the main thing for each catch.

Now as this was intended for human souls, a plan based on their weaknesses was skilfully devised. The lure had to correspond to the main weakness! And this main weakness of the souls was love of ease, the indolence of their spirit!

BIMBY4REAL:
For God sake ask for understanding and i will enlighten you.All you need to do is to ask me personally for my benefit.Dont mix things up,its no 2,500 for 250,000.you only pay for the platform that will enable you to view other members products thats all and you can buy as much as you wish within your loan which is in trade credit and not in CASH.HE NEVER PROMISED CASH GREEDY NIGERIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.seek understanding before dabbling into things.I saw the dailies and i went to the office and bought the ideas because i do this in the US.so its working.Its been existing for over 30yrs.

Really, its a good concept but Nigerians are yet to perceive it.ITS NO FRAUD AT ALL.


Mr AFam or whatever your name is,you need to get something doing spo as to get busy and stop blaming people for your POVERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.MFM IS WAITING FOR YOUR SEASON OF FASTING AND PRAYERS TO DELIVER YOU.


GOOD LUCK TO YOU COS I NEED TO GET BACK
TO WORK NOW WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE.

@BIMBY4REAL
You are looking like a fake person, are you an agent of satan?
why MFM in this discussion?

I do not think it is proper to give support to fake things. FORUM and co were here.

Death cases has been recorded from these activities you are defending.
Are u SATAN yourself or the agent?

Policy Reversals'll Boost Educational Devt – FG
From Onwuka Nzeshi in Abuja, 09.06.2007
http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=88507

The Federal Government   yesterday  said  that recent policy reversals in the education sector  were  in the best interest of  the country,  given the  fact that   the policies being revisited were  formulated  and   rolled out in a hurry without due recourse to existing legislations.
The explanation  followed  a confirmation that  the Inspectorate Division of the Federal Ministry of Education  which was  merged with the Universal Basic Education Commission  (UBEC)  in the heat of the reforms of the past administration  has been returned  to the  parent ministry.
Minister  of Education, Dr. Igwe Aja-Nwachuku   gave the confirmation  while receiving the  Director and Country Representative of the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organisation  (UNESCO) in Nigeria, Mr. Abhimanyu Singh  The new Inspectorate Service Division,  the minister  disclosed,   will be strengthened to effectively police the   operations of primary and secondary schools across the country  and ensure that good  standards in terms of infrastructure, quality of teaching and learning were maintained   at all times in the nation’s school system.
In addition, Aja Nwachuku said, the Inspectorate Services Division  would be transformed  and empowered  like the National Universities Commission (NUC) to effectively and efficiently carry out its functions. The last administration  relocated the Inspectorate Division to the Universal Basic Education Commission  on the excuse that  the division had failed woefully to carry out its  statutory  functions in the sector.
According to Aja Nwachuku,, cultism, examination malpractices and other   social  vices now plaguing tertiary institutions across the country could have been  effectively curtailed if purposeful and regular supervision  services were carried  out at the primary and secondary  school levels of the nation’s educational   system. He therefore sought the cooperation of UNESCO  in building the capacity of the Inspectorate Services  Division to carry out  its  functions.
UNESCO boss disclosed that  he was at the headquarters of the Federal Ministry of Education to intimate the new leadership of the ministry  on the various levels of cooperation  existing between  Nigeria  and  UNESCO in the field of education. Singh said that UNESCO had  in the past assisted Nigeria  in strengthening and implementing a National Plan for Education For All (EFA); promotion of free and compulsory primary education as well as improvement of girl child education in parts of the country. The It will be recalled  that the Federal Government   recently  commenced  a serial suspension    of reforms   initiated  in the education sector   during  the Obasanjo administration claiming  that  some of the policies   were formulated  and implemented without due recourse  to   existing laws. First to be knocked down  was the  consolidation of tertiary educational institutions  in which the last administration sought to phase  out the polytechnics   by  merging them with  the universities.
The Federal  Scholarship Board  which was excised from the Federal Ministry of Education  and merged  with   the Education Trust Fund (ETF) during the tenure of Dr. Obiageli  Ezekwesili  as Minister of Education  was   returned  to its  original place while arrangements were rolled out  for an  expanded  stakeholders  summit   to enable    all relevant  agencies,  interest groups  and  institutions  in the sector   brainstorm  on the way forward  for  educational development  in Nigeria.

denex:
I wonder how human beings will reason that their government will frustrate genuine businesses so that the poor masses will not get rich.

When will our Nigerian people stop thinking like mice?

It is the government that stands the most to gain if the Nigerian masses get rich overnight through genuine means.

Are you an economist?

"You men shy away from my words,
for you do not consider severity Divine!
But that is only your fault, because until now you have imagined everything Divine, everything that comes down from God, to be tenderly loving and all-forgiving, since that is what the churches have taught you!But these false teachings were only intellectual schemes aimed at the masscapture of human souls on earth.

In order to catch something, a bait is needed that is attractive to everything at which it is aimed. The right choice of bait is the main thing for each catch.

Now as this was intended for human souls, a plan based on their weaknesses was skilfully devised. The lure had to correspond to the main weakness! And this main weakness of the souls was love of ease, the indolence of their spirit!


-----ABD_RU_SHIN

They came under different name and dealt with Ibadan people. We read that one woman hanged her self

Names, cash real seed and cools, mega money wealth etc they came they saw weak Nigerian they conquered.

People are still crying while the agents are no longer safe.

How can you obtained =N=300,000 for just two weeks of saving =N=90,000 in fact they pay in the first round. That made greedy Nigerian sold properties
They invest in thousands and in Millions. So they are all waiting for their returns till date.

Who want due process dead? Free for all corruption is knocking at the "ABUJA GATE"

Ladies and Gentlemen do we want due process?

May be he want his own government diffrent from Obasanjo.

The minister of education spoke to us.
what did he say? nothing more than suspension.

@ishmael

long time How are you?
On HND We are back to the same old story o.

He can stay at home when he is 50 years old o.
He will then be an illiterate

Better be discriminated against and move on in life than staying stagnant and getting old waiting for one JAMB.

ABI!

@trakos You must know one thing.

What do you want
Skill or Certificate?

Pride or survival ?

To me I went for skill & survival at HND level today I am PhD holder

Today I am an elected officer in an engineering association

All depends on you.
But I suufered a lot of discrimnation which I turn to Gold.

PART-TIME PROGRAMMES IN ENGINEERING NOT ACCEPTABLE TO COREN

The Council for the Regulation of Engineering in Nigeria (COREN), established by decree 55 of 1970, amended by decree 27 of 1992 and now Engineers (Registration, etc) Act Cap E 11, 2004, has the mandate to regulate and control the practice of Engineering in all its aspects and ramifications.

Within this mandate, COREN regulates, controls, supervises, accredits and approves all Engineering courses in the Nation’s institutions of higher learning, as provided in section 9 (1) of the Act, which says in part “… the Council may approve … (b) any institution either in Nigeria or elsewhere, which the Council considers is properly organized and equipped for conducting the whole or any part of a course of training, approved by the Council…, (c) any qualification which, as a result of examination taken in conjunction with the course of training approved by the Council under this section, is granted to candidates reaching a standard at the examination indicating, in the opinion of the Council, that they have sufficient knowledge and skill to practise engineering as a profession”.

In order to get this approval, the institution among other requirements, must (subsection 6) “…. Submit a syllabus of its programme, content and minimum facilities to the Council for approval before a course approved by the National Universities Commission or the National Board for Technical Education, or any other engineering body, is commenced”.

The Council has further regulated that Engineering programmes must run on full time bases.

In consequence, no institution can run any Engineering course on part-time.

COREN is therefore surprised to see an advertisement placed by the Yaba College of Technology in the Guardian Newspaper of Thursday July 19, 2007, P. 69, calling for admission into part-time Programme at HND level in (i)Civil Engineering (Structure and Transport options), (ii) Electrical Engineering (Power and Electronics options), (iii) Mechanical Engineering with Production, Machine Building and Automobile options, and at ND level; (i) Civil Engineering, (ii) Electrical Engineering, (iii) Industrial Maintenance Engineering and (iv) Mechanical Engineering.

The general public is hereby warned that COREN has not given any approval whatsoever, to Yaba College of Technology to run the afore listed Engineering courses on part-time basis!. These programmes are not recognized by COREN and as such graduates are not registrable.

Council also uses this medium to remind all other institutions of learning that part-time programmes in Engineering are not acceptable to COREN and graduates are not registrable.

Thank you.




http://www.corenng.org/news/part_time_engr.htm


This speaks to answer your question

Unless you want Geology or minning Engineering. FUTA Akure can help

Even after HND with a Masters degree or PhD. They still treat you as non Graduate they call it non convoct.

When COREN  was looking for REGISTRAR so manyEnginners applied about 6 had HND,+Msc+ PhD infact 2 were university professors. They were fully registered engineers. Members of so many professional Associations.
They were never shortlisted because they had HND they were said not to be a graduate.

DEAR ALL,
B. Sc. vs HND: An Unsettled Case is not settle o

To avoid future problem please after ND run away from Poly ooooooo

Have I spoken well?

They said there will be a GAP so they want the HND to stay as their slave.
Engr Ezeh President Nigeria Society of Engineers want HND to stay as slave to Degree holders through the message he sent Via Engr Olusegun Adebisi MD Briscoe motors to Ilaro poly recently.

NSE July 2007 News letter.

From: VIEWS & COMMENTS OF FG ON THE COMMISSION FOR THE REVIEW OF HIGHER EDUCATION IN NIGERIA.

Pg 6
section 4.0
says "Polytechnic should concentrate on the traing of middle level manpower for direct employment in industry as a support for university high level manpower.
The fact that some other countries provide the facility for the award of degreeis not reason for nigeria to review the polytechnic programm"

Please note that the degree holders who are bureaucrats want the HND to stay at all cost. Because they have the feeling that it is a grade for the NON well to do.

Do not go to polytechnic we now have more university.
if you go to polytechnic you will blame yourself

HND holder will never enjoy if all the facts i have now are true

THE CHALLENGES AND PROSPECT OF ALL ENGINEERING FAMILY
BY: HND-Holder FNATE, MNSE
Introduction

Democracy is the government of the people which the Engineering family is one. It is therefore an opportunity for all the member of the family to prove their identity and by so doing we could develop a foresight for chances and benefit that come with the democracy.
Nigerian Engineering family was a fallout of decree 27 of 1992 as an amendment to degree number 55 of 1970. It permits COREN to control and regulate Engineering practice in Nigeria in all its aspects and ramification, it caters for 65 Engineering disciplines and keep register for Engineers, Technologist, Craftsmen, Technicians and Consulting firms all these five bodies are collectively known as Engineering family.
CHALLENGES:- The family is currently experiencing emotional in-maturity since the decrees were all military instrument, the foundation of emotional maturity are laid in infancy and Psychologist noted particular in the first five years It is during these very early days that a baby gradually become aware of himself and of other people.
This awareness is naturally accompanied by feelings he may feel good about himself, or just the opposite. He may feel himself to be a person alive and real or he may feel he is only a thing without value. These decrees are not natural as some cadres are without value it should be replaced with another law passed under the democracy. How can you have 26 seats and 23 out of the were occupied by One Cadre .

Under democracy this is a challenge, the decrees are not fair enough it favors one particular cadre. I know that central character in the baby's world is of course, his mother it is she normally who gives him a sense of his own personality and good feelings about himself, but suppose a child experiences insecurity and fear at one stage that he is completely devastated by it. What then? He remains fixated unable to get beyond that point in his emotional development, even though he becomes physically and mentally mature. COREN is 30 years old and Nigeria is 40 years old. Some of us in this family now experience insecurity, which is another challenge in this democratic world. The decrees are part of our family fixation, the B.Tech, B.Sc. and B.Eng. with all the confusions caused by our parent body. Parents are as gods to a baby, and to be in the hands of cruel and evil gods is unthinkable. By now we as a family are probably beginning to realize that our weakness is a relic from the past. It does not belong to the present day democratic situations which bring it to the surface. It is in fact, a childhood experience that is being reenacted in our adult life of 30 and 40. Many of us in the Engineering family are unaware of the fact that man's self-esteem is a very delicate plant, and if that self-esteem is affronted by nagging, criticism or belittlement then emotionally he sags and dies like a hot house plant facing the north-east wind.
The British is the mother of Nigeria and Military is the father of COREN. Nigeria places a low priority to Technical and Vocational education - the sub-sector encompassing the majority of the engineering family (Yakubu 2000). This of course is not unconnected to our colonial history. As with most former British colonies education in the country was conceived as purely literary education. Expatriate colonial administrators were graduates mostly of arts; consequently the literary tradition and the University degree became symbols of prestige.
Even when COREN was delivered as a baby by the military government of General Yakubu Gowon in 1970, did not recognize the technical product, those with technical papers were looked down on and COREN acted and seal the hope of so many. Engineer's cadre was the only LORD. In 1992 another military government ammeded the decree but gave more seats to engineers' and left the craftsmen with only one seat whereas craftsmen by ratio of 1:4:12 are more than the Engineers instead of addressing the issue at stake, on the contrary the sub-professional cadres have not won esteem .we continue to behave like the ancient creeks who viewed work as a low-grade activity that nevertheless cannot be disposed with. Yet it has been clearly demonstrated many times, how countries like Japan and South East Asia have anchored their growth and industrialization on massive PRODUCTION of trained sub-professional cadres.
Here in Nigeria today we import just anything 'for sale' with numerous fruits available in our continent we still import Apple. How about Tokunbo underwear's, shoes, used motor and industrial spare parts, is our country Nigeria now a dumping ground?. Production is at zero level, most production companies are with one problem or the other and these are challenges to the Engineering family in this democratic set up.
It will be recalled that Military Governments of General Gowon and Gen. Babangida signed the instrument setting up COREN into law. Could that be the causes of our problems? Looking down on the technicians, craft-men and the technologist is a challenge that we must be prepared to address as one family what everybody want is "Engineer" before their name. A debated Engineering act could have served better in the national houses of assembly since democracy allows freedoms of speech and expression we should all speak out to know who is who in this family and to know who is actually doing which job and see how our profession could be move forward.

What is the pride of a Nigerian registered Engineer, look at the Lagos Engineering office at Victoria Island Lagos, What shall we say about the NSE house at ABUJA, how about COREN Building at Ikoyi and what of equipment [if any] made in Nigeria, well Nigerian know how to celebrate success and identify themselves with achievement. Only Nigeria in Africa use the tittle ' Engineer ' to replace Mr or Mrs, we love tittles more than technology. Other challenges can be found in evaluating our Engineering personnel, we can check mate the civil service syndrome of paper qualification and replace same with a productive capacity. We have our rights protected under the law by so doing government subventions used in funding companies can be saved if these companies are made productive.
We can also remove bars place on our members for lack of paper qualification and depend on their experiences and merit , another challenge is to support the government in its privatization programme.
PROSPECTS
What, are we to do in this democracy which will help us to become as mature emotionally as we are physically. We must think carefully about our own particular problems, cadre by cadre, especially in the light of all I have just said. Then find out where any sense of insecurity or axienty take us.
Remember whether we are troubled in a guilt complex, a phobia, depression dependence, or other emotional way as a result of terrible experience of insecurity we were exposed during the military rule.
1. Recapture those experiences (before this family came about) and the Engineering during military and relive the fear that the cause of our trouble is past with democracy here.
2. We should build our Ego as Craftsmen, Technician, Technologist and or Engineer. Deep down in our unconscious we should accept a picture of ourselves and believe in our selves. We should live our life to the full as Engineering personnel and love it and enjoy it.
3. We should put our personality as a member of this family to test. Just so long as we (as craftsmen, Technician and Technologist) assume we are weak, immature unattractive and unwanted, we bar the way to mature relationships. Assume we are as acceptable as Engineers, you will find that we are in fact accepted even more.
It is time therefore to use this democratic period in finding solution to master and slave relationship in the Engineering family that will go with mutual respect let engineers know themselves and let us know what we are after all what is in the name, can any one tell me the University Isaac Newtown, Galio e.t.c attended? and who is their Professor? . Infact most us that want "Engineer" before our names what have we to show for it ?

The qualification scheme was not well understood the difficulty in movement upward is a challenge on its own. We hope this present democracy which brought us back to the Global village, will also stop the "Tokubo's" and address such issues also prevent this country from becoming a permanent dumping ground, Engineering family members are now President, Governors, Senators and are involved in Major National projects. We must shun sentiments now for the sake of Technological maturity and independence and use our manpower as done by work minister.
The level bar placed on the other family members is about been removed, in last Engineering assembly one of the craftsmen was giving a honour we expect more of that and hope it will continue in this democratic rule.
As the population increases the burden on the Engineering family to provide for all also increases, with this new era of democracy we need nothing but our originality of thoughts and superior skills in Engineering.

CONCLUSION
The government should put more effort to allow our national planning aim at uplifting our profession and high complement to technological progress, massive investment in research and development activities and an environment conducive for creativity.
Our communication, transportation and other facilities needed for industrial take off which the present government embarked upon is commendable that naturally the family would benefit greatly in the development and in future encourage the masses to patronize made in Nigeria goods.

Thanks.

They do not want Polytechnic dead

WHY HND SHOULD STAY----NSE President Ezeh
A way of up grading the Nations skill, the scraping would create a GAP

Then let them stop discriminating against HND.

That which God has joined is a union where the conditions required for complete harmony are fulfilled,

What a quality. You are just a the real woman. Real women  have sence of shame.

pilgrim.1:
Gentlemen, I'm even becoming more shy now. Can we leave romance for another thread and deal with the topic of the thread? Lol.

My love continues for y'all.

I love you too.

Thank you, what do you think about love and marriage in todays world?

shyness never catch you at all, just wait till i post this topic PILGRIM & ENITAN ARE GETTING MARRIED

its now then you wont have any hiding place, what do you think?

What? you told us this!

@Enitan2002

The frame work is up, So answer my question now.
Do you want to marry PILGRIM 1 or You simply love Her?

Through the unexpressed wishes of man alone
the Religion of Love has deteriorated to a religion of laxity,
as also the personality of the Bringer of Truth, Christ Jesus, has been dragged down to one of weakness and yielding, characteristics which He never possessed. It was just because of His all-embracing Love that He was so harsh and severe among the men of intellect.
That He was often overcome with sadness is natural when one considers His high mission and the human material He had to deal with.

This sadness had nothing whatever to do with weakness.

After eliminating all distortions and dogmatic restrictions, the Religion of Love will be a doctrine of the strictest consistency, in which no weakness or illogical indulgence is to be found.


The Grail Message.

LOVE

What is now called love is anything but love!
If all so-called love were relentlessly sifted to the bottom, nothing would remain but selfishness, vanity, weakness, desire for ease, conceit or instinct.

Genuine love will take no account of what gratifies the other, of what is agreeable to him and gives him joy, but will only direct itself towards what will benefit him, regardless of whether it affords him pleasure or not. That is genuine love and service!

If, therefore, it is written: "Love your enemies", it means: "Do that which will benefit them! Punish them if they cannot otherwise be made to understand!" That is serving them! But justice must prevail, for love cannot be separated from justice - they are one!

Misplaced indulgence would mean fostering the faults of the enemies and thus letting them slide further on the downward path. Would that be love? On the contrary, by acting thus one would burden oneself with guilt!
-----Grail Message

Now follows the warning:
"Let not man put asunder!" not even HND-holder

Wherever one finds a union that is made in heaven, i.e. where two people so complement each other

that a full and harmonious chord results,

there no third person shall attempt to bring about a separation.

Whether it be to create discord, to make a union impossible, or to cause a separation, whatever the case, such an attempt would be a sin! It would be an injustice which in its reciprocal action must cling heavily to its originator, since two persons would be simultaneously affected by it, together with the blessing which through their happiness would have spread throughout the Gross Material and Ethereal Worlds.

The warning is intended to protect only such unions as have been made in heaven under the aforesaid conditions, which is confirmed by the fact that they brought along with them the necessary psychic qualities to complement each other.

No third person should intervene between two such souls, not even the parents! It will never occur to the two partners to wish for a separation. The divine harmony which is based on their mutual psychic qualities does not permit such a thought to arise. The happiness and permanence of their marriage is consequently assured from the start.

So Pilgrim 1
and Enitan2002 where am i I?

"What God hath joined together, let not man put asunder!"

Much harm has already been caused by a misunderstanding of these words of Christ. Up till now many imagined that "what God hath joined" referred to the marriage. But this, however, had so far nothing to do with the meaning of the words. That which God has joined is a union where the conditions required for complete harmony are fulfilled, and it is thus made in heaven. Whether or not the permission of the State and the Church has been given for this union makes no essential difference.

-----From the Grail messege

Marriages
Marriages as they are today, and as they have already been for centuries, few exceptions, they are distinctly immoral! everything at the present time is shamelessly directed towards dimming and suffocating every purer intuitive perception.
No one thinks of making the personality what it should, could and must be by also showing the necessary respect for the physical body. The body, the soul, must be regarded as something precious and therefore untouchable
something that should not be exhibited in order to entice!

Thus in this particular respect also the body on earth is inseparable from the soul. Like the soul it must be equally respected and preserved as something inviolable,

Otherwise it will become rubbish with which one soils oneself, deserving nothing better than to be thrown into a corner and picked up cheaply by the first passing hawker.---------From the Grail message.

Thought-forms, Keep your inner thought pure.
Do you mean to marry Pilgrim 1?

Remember that love and marriage are not the same.

We carry a lot of responsibility as a crossbearer, "Toks" and "Fide" let us come up and let others know about the message.

@ pilgrim 1 Thank you and promised never to treat you or any other person that way. Whatever I sow I shall reap.

enitan2002:
shyness never catch you at all, just wait till i post this topic ^{PILGRIM & ENITAN ARE GETTING MARRIED}

its now then you wont have any hiding place, what do you think?

Do not sow bad seed.

@Pilgrim 1

Come back to this topic to help the public understand the grail message. Your intelligent questions made me to fall in love with you.
Enitan was looking for wife. I hope he knew the implications if you say yes to his wishes.

Honestly I am very sorry for treating you with hash words. Confirm the you forgive me.