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takeastand:
@ PILGRIM 1
. NOBODY should add to the word of God or take anything away from it.

Thank you, Your quaotes only refered to the book of Revelation.
How can you believe blindly when you confess you knew next to nothing in the Bible?
Go your own way if the grail message means nothing to you.

http://www.grailnet.org/english/guidance.html



[b]Abd-ru-shin the author of Grail message said

The Bandage falls, and belief becomes conviction. Liberation and redemption lie only in conviction!

I am addressing earnest seekers only. They must be able and willing to examine this matter objectively! Religious fanatics and irresponsible enthusiasts may hold aloof, for they are detrimental to the Truth. As for the malevolent and prejudiced, they shall find their sentence in the very words.

The Message will strike only those who still carry within them a spark of truth, and the yearning to be true human beings. To all such it will become the shining light and staff. It will lead them unswervingly out of all the chaos of the present-day confusion.

The following Word does not bring a new religion, but is intended as the torch to help all serious listeners or readers find the right path, which leads them to the longed-for height.

Only he who bestirs himself can advance spiritually. The fool who uses extraneous aids for this, in the form of the ready-made opinions of others, only walks his path as if on crutches, while ignoring his own healthy limbs.

But the moment he boldly uses all the abilities which lie dormant within him awaiting his call, to help in his ascent, he is employing the talent entrusted to him in accordance with his Creator's Will, and will easily overcome all obstacles that seek to divert him.

Therefore awake! Genuine faith lies only in conviction, and conviction comes solely through an inflexible weighing and examining! See that you are truly alive in the wonderful Creation of your God!"[/b] 

To Tithe or Not to Tithe is the topic.
All this empty noise and boast will I refereed to as EMPTY BARRELS
undesirable sound has no other name than NOISE.

How can someone be using DEFENCIVE mechanism to ask questions when there is nothing to offer.
Noise noise noise no single point only questions upon questions, somebody must be tapping points by style.

Nothing to offer.

I am sure that I am on Nairaland not in IRAQ. Can someone call for seize fire?

pilgrim.1:
One question, please:

Did TITHING originate with the LEVITICAL priesthood?

are you asking me? you should know better that Today tithing is nothing but stealing by method of interpolation of words from the old testament which Jesus did not approve of.
You will not read but fire, fire ah!
How will your house look like as house wife?

The New Testament Does Not Teach Tithing.  The false teaching is that Jesus taught tithing in Matthew 23:23 which, they say, is clearly in the New Testament. The New Covenant did not begin at the birth of Jesus, but at his death (Gal. 3:19, 24, 25; 4:4, 5). Tithing is not taught to the church after the cross! When Jesus discussed tithing in Matthew 23:23, “you” referred to Jewish obedience to the Old Covenant Law which he endorsed and supported until the cross (note “of the law” in 23:23). In Matthew 23:2 and 3 (the context of 23:23) Jesus told his Jewish followers to obey the scribes and Pharisees "because they sit in Moses’ seat." Yet He did not command Gentiles whom He healed to present themselves to the priests and obey the Law of Moses (compare Matt. 5:23, 24 and 8:4). And churches do not collect tithes from garden herbs as Jesus commanded. There is not a single New Testament Bible text which teaches tithing after the cross – period! Acts 2:42-47 and 4:32-35 are not examples of tithing to support church leaders. According to 2:46 the Jewish Christians continued to worship in the Temple. And according to 2:44 and 4:33, 34 church leaders shared what they received equally with all church members. (This is not done today). Finally Acts 21:20-25 proves that Jewish Christians were still zealously observing all of the Mosaic Law 30 years later –and that must include tithing—otherwise they would not have been allowed inside the Temple to worship. Therefore, any tithes collected by the early Jewish Christians were given to the Temple system and not to support the church.

-------Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D.


But pilgrim 1, How I wish to read a better presention from you.

In many churches today the doctrine of tithing has reached the level of a modern scandal.
---Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D.

@pilgrim.1

Any problem?

www.shouldthechurchteachtithing.com

"Second Chronicles 31 and Nehemiah, prepared you for the study of Malachi.
This chapter will give evidence from God’s Word that the tithing texts from Malachi 3:8-10 have been interpreted and applied incorrectly by the majority of the Christian church.
It will show that those who are guilty of robbing God in Malachi 3:8 are the ministering priests and not the people.
Consequently, those cursed in Malachi 3:9 are the priests who are cursed for breaking the Old Covenant.
When compared to Numbers 18:21-24 and Nehemiah 10:37b, the usual interpretation of “bring the whole tithe into the storehouse” has been turned into a terrible lie which, for the decency of God’s truth and for the good of Christ’s church, must stop immediately.

Malachi is only four (4) short chapters, many have never read it completely in one sitting.
For the sake of clarity, I plead with you to carefully and prayerfully read all four chapters after reading this paragraph. While you are reading, ask yourself these questions, “To whom is God speaking in this section? When did He start speaking to this group of persons? Has He changed His address from one group of persons to another? If so, what evidence is there that He has changed from speaking to one group towards speaking to another group?”—Please stop and read Malachi now.—
This author believes that Malachi should be divided into only three sections: The first section, 1:1 to 1:5 is the introduction. God wanted all Israel, all Jacob, to hear this message because everybody was involved either directly or indirectly with the causes and consequences of the message. The second section, 1:6 to 1:14, is God’s chief complaint against the arrogant and dishonest priests. This section is crucial to understanding the remainder of the book because it provides the basic grounds for all other problems in the book. The third section, 2:1 to 4:6, is God’s specific direct address to the priests. Although the rest of Israel is indirectly affected by the actions of the priests, God does not change His address after it begins in 2:1. This chapter will attempt to convincingly reveal the reasons for this approach. If true, then this interpretation is devastating to the usual logic presented in favor of tithing in most Christian churches. It is especially important to discover the real meaning of Malachi 3:8-10"

dav700:
tithing is an eternal law in the everlasting kingdom of Christ so, from ages past to ages to come its compulsory!

For you it is compulsory and for others like you.

It should also be compulsory for same group to offer their bunt offerings too like people of the old because it it Biblical.

If your right hand made you to sin --Cut it off it is internal law too. So that your eyes you use to look at a woman lustfully must be surgically removed.

Some may need to offer their son as a sacrefice too.

Why only monetary issue alone that is compulsory?
Stealing by method.

REflecions

"But woe to you,
Pharisees!
For you tithe mint and rue and every [little] herb,
but disregard and neglect justice and the love of God.
These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone. Luke 11:42


True words ----Posted by: G-money

Christ said:
Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the Will of My Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)
Let us learn a bit more about this Law, which holds the key to so many unsolved problems. Christians will, of course, understand that "sowing" is not limited to its ordinary agricultural sense. We "sow" through our thoughts, our words, our volitions, as well as our actions. This implies that we all are constantly sowing, be it only in our thinking and in our general attitude to life. If our thoughts are always good, we reap harvests of blessings; if they are evil, then we heap evils on ourselves. As we shift gear between good and evil, so do the harvests change.
We know that quite often men's actions are different from their thinking and their volition. A man may be smiling at you and saying nice words to you while planning to harm you; his volition is in conflict with his words and actions. A man makes a donation to the church even though he does not share the ideals and the objectives of the church. He simply wants the publicity or seeks favour from members of the church. In all such cases, the Law of Sowing and Reaping ensures that the harvests are weighed carefully to reflect not only the actions but also the related thoughts and volitions.
Most human beings cannot read other people's thoughts nor fathom their real volitions. And so, they cannot be good judges in the sense of the Eternal Laws. Hence we must heed the following admonition:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." (Matthew 7:1- 2)
This is not only another statement of the Law of Sowing and Reaping, but it also touches on the fact that we lack the ability to judge aright. For even when we observe the action and hear the words, we may not know the motives.
Another aspect of the Law of Sowing and Reaping, which we must note, is that one planted seed yields, at harvest, many seeds. The harvest is of the same kind (quality or species) as what was sown but its quantity is much greater. Thus our actions, good or bad, return to us multiplied. The increase is the result of another Law - the Law of Attraction of Similar Species or the Law of Like Attracts Like, which is discussed later in this chapter.
Moreover, we should note that the period between sowing and reaping depends on what is sown. Some grain crops are ready for harvests four months after planting, whereas some tree crops do not Yield an- harvests until after many years. Indeed, we plant some trees knowing full well that they will not be ready for harvesting in our ,lifetime. Even for the same crop, the period required for maturity may vary according to variety. For example, traditional varieties of cowpeas, also called beans, a food legume that is highly relished in West Africa, northeast Brazil, and southern United States, mature in about 100 days. Modern varieties of the same crop are ready for harvesting in about 60 days after planting.
Such differences in the periods to maturity also apply to the actions, thoughts, words, prayers, and volitions of :men. Thus, we can understand why a person doing evil now, will reap the consequences only in the future, near or distant. Similarly, the good fruits of the good man who may now be suffering, will surely come. Furthermore, the good that may currently be falling on the laps of a bad man must be the good he did in the past. And the bad ;experiences of the person who is presently striving to do good are the consequences of some wrong done in the past, which are only now ready for harvesting.
The perfect Justice of the Almighty does not permit any arbitrariness. Everybody reaps only what he or she has personally sown and nobody reaps what he or she has not sown.
There appear to be injustices in some cases only because of our own ignorance. A key aspect of this ignorance is our lack of the knowledge of, or deliberate but unfortunate rejection of, reincarnation. The truth is that some fruits we now reap, whether they are good or bad, were planted in some distant past, in previous .earth-lives. On the other hand, some "seeds" we are now sowing may not be ready for harvest until a distant future, in the beyond or in another earth-life. "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man soweth that shall he also reap." The Creator grants us the free will to decide what we may or may not sow. But once we have done the sowing, we are obliged irrevocably to "eat the harvest". It does not matter who we are.
Many persons who have some knowledge of the Law of Sowing and Reaping readily, and without any difficulty, associate it with Divine Justice. But relatively few realize that in this Law also lies Divine Love. Consider a man who sows a good seed. The Law guarantees that at harvest he receives fruits of the same kind, and this can be perceived as Justice. However, the effect of the Law is not only on quality or kind, but also on quantity. He who sows, for example, one seed of maize, may reap two cobs of maize containing hundreds of seeds. Is it not Love, when for one good seed, the Divine Will ensures a return of many good seeds?

Human laws are difficult to understand. Therefore, we often depend, for their interpretation, on lawyers who have devoted years of study to secular laws. And even lawyers do not always agree on the interpretation of a given law. In contrast, the Eternal Laws are simple, clear, and easy to understand. No schooling, in the ordinary sense of the word, is required. In fact, they are hinted at in the proverbs of all cultures. Moreover, human laws do not always promote justice. Indeed, quite often they arc exploited by lawyers to set free people who have actually committed crimes. In contrast, the Laws of Creation ensure that, at all times, Justice, Love, and Purity are simultaneously upheld.
Unlike the large number of laws men make for themselves, the Eternal Laws, the Laws of Creation are rather few. For our purpose, they may be discussed as three interrelated and complementary Laws.
The Law of Sowing and Reaping
One of these Laws is the Law of Sowing and Reaping -popularly expressed as whatever we sow, we are obliged to reap. This Law is described by various other expressions such as: the Law of Karma; the Law of Seed and Harvest; the Law of Cause and Effect; the Law of Reciprocal Action; and the Law of Retributive Justice. It is a Law that must be familiar to all Christians, for it is indicated in a number of Bible passages including the following:
As I have seen, those who plough iniquity, and sow trouble, reap the same. (Job4:.
For they sow the winshall reap thed, and they whirlwind. (Flosea 8:7).
For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit. (Luke 6:43).
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. (Galatians 6:7).
We know that if we sow maize, we can only reap maize, and if we want to harvest wheat, we must sow wheat. This Law ensures the maintenance of order and perfect justice in Creation. Imagine what confusion and bewilderment would result if we could not be certain what the harvest would be whenever we planted any seed; if at one time, a planting of maize gave us wheat, at another time the same planting gave us mango etc. Because of this Law, we know what harvest' to expect with each planting, and what we must plant if we desire a particular harvest. Every effect has a cause; and every cause must result in an effect.
It is important for us to note that this Law is no respecter of religions. Indeed, this is true for all the Laws of Creation as well as the Ten Commandments. If a Christian sows maize, he will reap maize; so also will a Jew, a Moslem, a Buddhist, or a pagan. If a pagan sows goodness, he is bound to reap goodness; so will a Bishop, a Hindu monk, or a Moslem Imam. Indeed, the Creator in His perfect Justice, cannot be expected to discriminate on any basis in the operation of His Laws. This viewpoint has ample support in the Bible. Peter, the Disciple, once declared:
"Truly I perceive that God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable to Him." (Acts 10: 34 - 35, italics mine)
The Apostle Paul made a similar point in several of his letters (see, for example, Romans 2: 9-11; Ephesians 6: 5-9; Colossians 3:25).
This fact should lead us to the realization that religions are only a means to an end, and not ends in themselves. If our religion helps us to understand thoroughly the Will of the Almighty and shows us how to do this Will, then it has played its part. But we would be wrong to imagine that membership of any religion or sect would guarantee salvation. In this regard, we recall what the Lord Jesus

Creation is maintained through God's Laws
The basis for understanding reincarnation, and indeed all life and existence, is the knowledge of the Divine Laws of Creation, which are manifestations of the Will of God. The Divine Laws may also be called the Laws of Life and they incorporate the Laws of Nature. The Ten Commandments are, of course, in full accord with these laws. The Laws of Creation have always existed and will always exist; hence they are called Eternal Laws. They do not change, cannot be subverted or circumvented by the rich, the powerful, or the clever. They apply equally to all, regardless of circumstances or beliefs. And they operate not only on earth but also in the beyond and, indeed, throughout Creation. The effects of these Laws are the same on those who know them as on those who are ignorant of them. Ignorance is no excuse!
For a deeper appreciation of the nature of these Laws, let us contrast them with the laws that men make. Secular laws, or the laws of man vary from society to society. The Laws of Creation are the same everywhere. Secular laws may be changed at will; what was perfectly legal yesterday may become a criminal act today, and vice versa. The Laws that are the manifestations of the Will of the Almighty are immutable; they have always been and will ever remain the same.

THE LAWS GOVERNING CREATION AND REINCARNATION
The Divine Laws are true friends in everything, they are helpful
blessings from the Will of God, Who this opens the paths to
salvation for everyone who strives towards it. There is not a single
other road to this than the one clearly shown by the Laws of God in Creation!
The whole of Creation. is the Language of God,
which you should earnestly strive to read,
and which is by no means as difficult as you may think.
("In The Light of Truth: The Grail Message," Composite Edition, p. 201)

Hence the basis also of this sentence is again a promise before its God by every soul striving for the Light. A declaration of its true volition, for whose fulfilment it hopes to receive strength in the Prayer, through deep absorption and becoming clear about itself; with the right attitude this strength will also come to it in accordance with the Law of Reciprocal Action.
"AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION!"
It is a wrong conception when man wants to read into the words that he would be tempted through God. God tempts no one! In this case it is only a question of a doubtful tradition, which unfortunately chose this word temptation. In its right meaning it is to be classed with such concepts as going astray, becoming lost, thus going wrong, seeking wrongly on the path towards the Light.
It means much the same as: "Let us not take wrong paths, nor seek in the wrong way, let us not take risks with time! Waste it, fritter it away! But if necessary restrain us forcibly from doing so, even if such a necessity must strike us as suffering and pain."
Man should even gather this meaning already through the following part-sentence, which according to its wording indeed directly belongs to it: "BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL!
The "but" shows clearly enough that they belong together. The meaning is synonymous with: "Let us recognise evil at all costs, even at the cost of suffering! Enable us to do so through Thy reciprocal actions whenever we err." In the recognising also lies the redeeming for those of goodwill!
With this ends the second part, the discourse with God. The third part forms the ending: "FOR THINE IS THE KINGDOM, AND THE POWER, AND THE GLORY, FOR EVER AND EVER! AMEN!"
As a jubilant avowal of feeling safe in the Omnipotence of God with the fulfilment of all that the soul lays at His Feet as a vow in the Prayer! -
This Prayer given by the Son of God thus has two parts. The introduction of approach, and the discourse. Through Luther there was finally added the jubilant avowal of the knowledge of the help for all that is contained in the discourse; of the receiving of strength to fulfil what the soul vowed to its God. And the fulfilment must then bear the soul upwards into the Kingdom of God, the Land of Eternal Joy and of Light!
Therewith the Lord's Prayer, if it is really experienced, will become the support and the staff for ascent into the Spiritual Realm!
Man must not forget that in a prayer he actually only has to obtain the strength to enable him to bring into being himself what he asks for! So shall he pray! And so too is worded the Prayer which the Son of God gave to the disciples!

In this cry lies your sincere affirmation: "To Thee, 0 God, I give all a father's rights over me, to which I wish to submit humbly like a child! In doing so I also acknowledge Thine Omniscience, 0 God, in all that Thou hast ordained, and beg Thee to treat me as a father has to treat his children! Here I am, Lord, to listen to Thee, and to obey Thee like a child!"
The second sentence: "HALLOWED BE THY NAME!"
This is the assurance of the worshipping soul as to how serious it is in everything it ventures to say to God. That it is with its whole intuitive perception with every word and thought, and does not misuse the Name of God through superficiality! Because it regards the Name of God as much too holy for that!
Consider, you who pray, what you are vowing with this! If you want to be absolutely honest with yourselves, you must confess that hitherto it is just with this that you men have lied in the Face of God; for you never were so earnest in prayer as the Son of God, in expectation, laid down in these words as a condition!
The third sentence: "THY KINGDOM COME!" is again no petition, but only a further vow! A declaring oneself prepared so that through the human soul life on earth shall become such as it is in the Kingdom of God!
Hence the word: "Thy Kingdom come!" This means: we wish also to develop so far here on earth that Thy perfect Kingdom may extend all the way to here! The soil shall be prepared by us so that everything lives only in Thy Holy Will, thus completely fulfilling Thy Laws of Creation, so that it will be such as is done in Thy Kingdom, the Spiritual Realm, where dwell the matured spirits who have become free from all guilt and burdens, who live only in service to the Will of God, because only in Its absolute fulfilment does good arise, through the Perfection inherent in It. Thus it is the assurance of wishing to become such that through the soul of man the earth also shall become a kingdom of fulfilment of God's Will!
This affirmation is further strengthened through the next sentence: "THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!"
This is not only the declaration of willingness to adapt entirely to the Divine Will, but also the inherent promise to trouble oneself about this Will, to strive with all one's zeal for the recognition of this Will. Indeed this striving must precede the adaptation to this Will; for as long as man does not know It aright he is not able to adjust himself to It either in his intuitive perception, his thoughts, words and deeds!
What appalling, punishable carelessness is it then for every human being ever and ever again to give these assurances to his God, while in reality he does not trouble himself at all about the nature of the Will of God, Which lies firmly anchored in Creation. Man simply lies with every word of the Prayer when he dares to utter it! He thereby stands before God as a hypocrite! Heaps onto old sins ever again new ones, and finally even feels he is to be pitied when he must break down ethereally under this burden in the beyond.
Only when these sentences are really fulfilled by a soul as a pre-condition can it then go on to say: "GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD!"
That is as much as to say: "When I have fulfilled what I promised to be, then let Thy Blessing rest upon my earthly work, so that in attending to my gross material needs I may always have the time to be able to live according to Thy Will!"
"AND FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THEM THAT TRESPASS AGAINST US!"
In this lies knowledge of the incorruptible, just reciprocal action of spiritual Laws that give the Will of God. At the same time also the expression of the assurance of full confidence in It; for the plea for forgiveness, thus release from guilt, is based conditionally on the previous fulfilment by the human soul of its own forgiveness of all the wrongs done to it by its fellowmen.
He who is capable of that, however, who has already forgiven his fellow-men everything, is also so inwardly purified that he himself will never intentionally do wrong! Therewith he is also free of all guilt before God, for there only all that is considered a wrong which is done intentionally from evil volition. It is only that which makes it a wrong. This is very different from all human laws and earthly opinions existing at the present time.

The Son of God wishes to explain thereby what kind of intuitive perception alone may form the basis for an approach to God! Therefore come, like a great, sacred vow, the words at the beginning: "OUR FATHER, WHO ART IN HEAVEN!"
Consider that prayer is not the same as petition! Otherwise there would certainly be no prayer of thanksgiving, which contains no petition. To pray is not to beg. Even in this respect the "Lord's Prayer" has so far always been misunderstood, because of man's evil habit of never approaching God without at the same time expecting or even demanding something from Him; for in the expecting lies the demanding. And actually man always expects something when he prays; this he cannot deny! Be it even, broadly speaking, only the vague feeling of one day receiving a place in Heaven.
Jubilant thanksgiving in happy enjoyment of the conscious existence granted to him in the co-operation willed by God, or justly expected by God, in the great Creation, for the welfare of his surroundings, is not known to man! Indeed, he does not even suspect that just this, and only this, holds his own real welfare and his progress, his ascent.
But on such a basis, willed by God, does the "Lord's Prayer" in truth stand! The Son of God, Who desired only man's welfare, which lies solely in the right observance and fulfilment of God's Will, could not possibly have given it in any other way!
The Prayer given by Him is thus anything but a prayer of petition; rather is it a great, all-embracing vow of man, who in it lays himself at the Feet of his God! Jesus gave it to His disciples, who at that time were ready to live in the pure worship of God, to serve God through their life in Creation, and in this serving to honour His Holy Will!
Man should consider well and carefully whether he may dare to make use of and utter this Prayer at all, and should examine himself earnestly as to whether, in using it, he is not perhaps trying to lie to his God!
The introductory sentences admonish plainly enough that each one should examine himself as to whether he really is as he speaks in it! Whether he dares to go with it before God's Throne without guile!
But if you experience the first three sentences of the Prayer within you, then they will lead you before the Steps of God's Throne. They are the way to It, if they come to experiencing in a soul! No other leads thither. But this one for certain! Where these sentences are not experienced, however, none of your petitions can reach there.
It shall be a devout yet joyful outcry when you dare to say: "Our Father, Who art in Heaven!"

In this he plainly shows either his inability to maintain any deeper thinking, or else his superficiality; for otherwise with the succeeding words there should again immediately arise a different feeling, corresponding to the changed content of the words, as soon as these really come to life in him.
Thus there persists in him only what the first words awaken. But if he were to grasp the right sense and the true meaning of the words, then these would have to release in him a quite different intuitive sensing from that of being comfortably safe.
More arrogant people again see in the word "Father" the confirmation that they are directly descended from God, and that thereby with the right development they will ultimately themselves become Divine; but that even now they definitely bear something of the Divine within them. And so there are many more errors among men with regard to this sentence.
Most people, however, consider it simply as the form of address in the Prayer, the invocation! This requires them to think least. And accordingly it is also uttered without thought, despite the fact that just in the invocation to God should lie the whole fervour of which a man's soul can ever become capable.
But this first sentence is not meant either to say or to be any of this; instead the Son of God at the same time put into the choice of words the explanation or indication of the way in which a human soul is to set about prayer, how it may and must step before its God if its prayer is to find a hearing. He says exactly what quality it must possess at that moment, how its condition of pure intuitive perception has to be, if it would lay its petition at the Steps of God's Throne.
Thus the whole Prayer is divided into three parts. The first part is the complete dedication, the surrendering of the soul to its God. Figuratively speaking, it bares itself before Him ere it comes with a request, testifying first to its own pure volition.

THE LORD'S PRAYER
as explained to mankind by
Abd-ru-shin


There are only few human beings who seek to become aware of what they actually want when they say the "Lord's Prayer". Still fewer who really know what is the meaning of the sentences which they rattle off. Rattle off is probably the only accurate designation for the process which in this instance man calls praying.
He who examines himself unsparingly in this respect must admit this, otherwise he proves that he spends his whole life in the same way , superficially, and that he is not, nor ever has been, capable of any deep thought. There are enough of them on this earth who certainly take themselves seriously, but with the best will in the world cannot be taken seriously by others.
Especially the beginning of this Prayer has always been taken in the wrong sense, even though in different ways. Those who try to undertake this Prayer earnestly, thus who set about it with a certain good volition, experience a certain feeling of safety, of psychic calm arising within them after or during these first words! And this feeling prevails with them for several seconds after praying.
This explains two things: First, that the one who prays can maintain his earnestness only for the first words, whereby they release this feeling in him; and second, that just the release of this feeling proves how far removed he is from grasping what he is saying with them!

@pilgrim.1
Dear lovely one let us keep to tithe or not to tithe. Interpolation of ideas will not help since we are not in court of law.
What do you think.

Who ever went against all these collecting peoples salary is stealing by method.

Deuteronomy 12:6 
there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks.


Deuteronomy 12:11 
Then to the place the LORD your God will choose as a dwelling for his Name—there you are to bring everything I command you: your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, and all the choice possessions you have vowed to the LORD.


Deuteronomy 12:17 
You must not eat in your own towns the tithe of your grain and new wine and oil, or the firstborn of your herds and flocks, or whatever you have vowed to give, or your freewill offerings or special gifts.

Deuteronomy 14:22 
Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.


Deuteronomy 14:23 
Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.


Deuteronomy 14:24 
But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away),


Deuteronomy 14:25
then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose.


Deuteronomy 14:28
At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns,


Deuteronomy 26:1
[ Firstfruits and Tithes ] When you have entered the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance and have taken possession of it and settled in it,


Deuteronomy 26:12
When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.

2 Chronicles 31:5 
As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the firstfruits of their grain, new wine, oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything.


2 Chronicles 31:6
The men of Israel and Judah who lived in the towns of Judah also brought a tithe of their herds and flocks and a tithe of the holy things dedicated to the LORD their God, and they piled them in heaps.


2 Chronicles 31:12
Then they faithfully brought in the contributions, tithes and dedicated gifts. Conaniah, a Levite, was in charge of these things, and his brother Shimei was next in rank.

Pual got these from old texts

We are not Isrealites and No levites here any body doing otherwise stole by method.

Amos 4:4  
"Go to Bethel and sin; go to Gilgal and sin yet more. Bring your sacrifices every morning, your tithes every three years. [ Or tithes on the third day ]

Nehemiah 10:37
"Moreover, we will bring to the storerooms of the house of our God, to the priests, the first of our ground meal, of our grain offerings, of the fruit of all our trees and of our new wine and oil. And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work.


Nehemiah 10:38  
A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God, to the storerooms of the treasury.


Nehemiah 12:44
At that time men were appointed to be in charge of the storerooms for the contributions, firstfruits and tithes. From the fields around the towns they were to bring into the storerooms the portions required by the Law for the priests and the Levites, for Judah was pleased with the ministering priests and Levites.


Nehemiah 13:5  
and he had provided him with a large room formerly used to store the grain offerings and incense and temple articles, and also the tithes of grain, new wine and oil prescribed for the Levites, singers and gatekeepers, as well as the contributions for the priests.


Nehemiah 13:12  
All Judah brought the tithes of grain, new wine and oil into the storerooms.

Grail is a name and all woshippers of the true GoD are Grail followers. You can not still understand that. Check your dictionary.

No pastors for Grail activities and I am no ashamed to tell you that I love the meassage so much it is not a religion. We are Christians.

For financial giving

2Corinthians 9:7: “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”


Speaking of the attitude of the believers in Corinth about financial giving, Paul said: “This they did, not as we hoped, but even beyond that, first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us, by the will of God” (2 Cor. 8:5).



In the Old
Leviticus 27:30  
" 'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD.

Leviticus 27:31  
If a man redeems ( i.e. with money )any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it.


Leviticus 27:32  
The entire tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod—will be holy to the LORD.


Numbers 18:26  
"Speak to the Levites and say to them: 'When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD's offering.


Numbers 18:28  
In this way you also will present an offering to the LORD from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the LORD's portion to Aaron the priest.

Deuteronomy 12:17  
You must not eat in your own towns the tithe of your grain and new wine and oil, or the firstborn of your herds and flocks, or whatever you have vowed to give, or your freewill offerings or special gifts.

pilgrim.1:
If your argument holds at all, Nigerians then should have NO basis to even attend Church or give any type of offering, since you are looking for Nigerians who are Israelites standing in front of Aaron.

If 'pastors' have consumed everything, and a prophet has to warn them with Malachi 3:10, perhaps it may help them. If not, then llet them continue to consume everything as they so please.

Yes just let Nigerian worship God in truth. So they should stop explotation with tithe

Old Testament, believers understood that when they gave to God, they were opening a door, if you will, for Him to bless them in return.

The idea has been distorted by some Christians who teach that one must give to God before God can bless him. Thus, too many Christians are giving in order to get.

Abraham give tithe only once from what he got from war fronts

Tithes were from Agricultural products.
it was once in every three harvest

Numbers 18:24 
Instead, I give to the LLevitiesas their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the LORD. That is why I said concerning them: 'theywill have no inheritance among the Israelites.' "


Nigerian are not Israelitesit was met for the Israelitesin front of Aron children
no Aron ddescendantstoday.

Numbers 18:26 
"Speak to the Levitiesnd say to them: 'when you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LOLord'sffering.

Numbers 18:28
In this way you also will present an offering to the LORD from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the Lord'sortion to Aaron the priest.


Deuteronomy 12:6 
there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks.


10% of What the levlevitiest must be used as a burnt offering to the lord.



Amos 4:4 
"Go to Bethel and sin; go to Gilgal and sin yet more. Bring your sacrifices every morning, your tithes every three years. [ Or tithes on the third day ]


Malachi 3:8 
"Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How howe rob you?' "In tithes and offerings.


But our pastors consume everything then a prophet warn them thus Malachi 3:10
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

pilgrim.1:
It is for this reason that I've tried to share that Tithes are not a matter of FORCE, COERCION, or COMPULSION - I've said this again and again, and tried to discuss it with relevant texts to show WHY and HOW this is so.

I asked a simple question regarding the idea that TITHES have to be always thought of as done by FORCE, COERCION, MANDATE, or COMPULSION. That question was: WHO FORCED Abraham to give tithes to Melchizedek?

And even under the Law, I also shared that the Jews gave WILLINGLY just as we're admonished in the NT:

OT - Exo. 35:29
"The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the LORD, every man and woman,
whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the LORD had commanded
to be made by the hand of Moses.

NT - 2 Cor. 8:12
"For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath,
and not according to that he hath not."

Many times we often fail to see that the attitude of joyfulness out of a willing heart are expressed in both the OT and the NT.

Allta:
Cheers Pilgrim for pointing this out, obviously I didn't search enough,

Pilgrim Ko HND_Holder, make una suffri suffri, this na "Christian" matter oO!, and be good examples to people like me please

Thanks

Peace Out!

What an advice, Who is a Christian? Is Abraham a Christian?

Did Our lord Jesus Christ pay tithe?
I knew, Pilgrim 1 loves me that is why she made it known that I am a cross bearer of the truth of GOD, I must say the truth. Cross bearers are Christians, they read the Bible, they give but not by force.
Let Pilgrim 1 read all my postings on this topic since 2005 or 2007 post alone.

Martin Luther reconstructed the Texts of book of Hebrew because there was a vacuum in the scrolls. The word tithe got in there because the Europe depend on it. Read about Tithe war in Ireland. How can Christians fight and kill for tithe sake? Do they forget that God said in the Bible that thou shall not Kill?
I know that only in given that thou can receive. Tithing is stealing by method.
Take me for what I am.

pilgrim.1:
It is plain to see that Paul is the inspired author of Hebrews. Whether or not anyone still debates that is not the core issue; rather Hebrews is part of the Bible, and it is valuable for the Christian faith.

I understand your concerns - and it is for this reason I've taken time to offer why Paul referred to the Law of Moses when discussing TITHES and OFFERINGS in 1 Cor. 9:7-10.

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1088.html#msg1397085)
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1088.html#msg1397086)

Tithe is by force. Giving is a Joyfull activity. Under the Law, Jews were to give out of their produce, that is, what the Lord had provided for them. Just like the Word says, “We love God because He first loved us,” so we give because God has given to us. When we understand what God has done for us in Christ, and that the material blessings we have come from Him, and that He promises to bless us back for what we give, giving cheerfully is a joy.

Service your intellect with tea or coffee because this is Biblical issue not Grail message which has no room for intellect.
If you ready I am ready
Go

It is important to distinguish between tithing and giving. Although tithing per se is not relevant to Christians, giving most certainly is. As a member in particular of the Body of Christ, each Christian is to determine in his own heart how much he gives and where he allocates his resources among his brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Cor. 9:7). The Epistles metaphor by which material giving is strongly encouraged is that of sowing and reaping—the more you sow, the more you reap (2 Cor. 9:6). “Tithing” is never mentioned.