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seanet02:
@sagamite and honerich, why cant you make peace at once and fight this logically rather than pouring abuses on each other, you are both INTELLECTUALS and why all this?

When u want to catch a monkey, you behave like one

Sagamite:
Oh, amsorry!

Did I break your concentration!

So you now turn around that "not these farmers"?

So which farmers were we talking about and calculating average living wage before you opened you moronic gob to say they must be using labourers?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-507378.288.html#msg6713918



Can you see what is in the link or is it bawomolo's post you see?

slowpoke, let me quash your moronic points further. It is said the earnings of this farmers are high so it is reasonable to say they are, at worst, a representative of the average of the farmers in the area. Foooool! Think and stop vomiting.

Nope, i am talking about the whole farmers in that area including the 90 farmers, are u trying to tell me that all the 90 farmers farm on their own without workers?

^^^^^^

was only trying to explain to him oo, no argument

Sagamite:
Dunce, they gave averages there.

Dunce, averages is representative of the ball pack, and the ball pack says N3700 on labour a month. So how many of the farmers would even have N10,000 a month for labour before you came and moronically vomitted that the farmers sit at home and higher labours hence they have second income, foooool?

Average of the 90 farmers they used, not the whole of the farmers in that area, not of the whole of the farmers in Nigeria, this man, you be correct fool, i rest my case, i don tire, i no wan dey yell like mad man wey u be.

Because a madman ends up running away with my clothes while bathing does not mean i should run after him naked, if i do that, i might end up being called the main mad man hehehehe.

so oga, i rest my case

Sagamite:
You know? 

Conjecture throwing ediot.

The question is how does a farmer pay for labourers with N3700 per month? Defend your other moronic conjecture.

Old man, your brain should have made you know that every farmer can't be on the same level, there are richer farmers, they are poor farmers, because the research concentrate on 90 farmers, using their data as evidence does not mean all farmers are on the same level with these 90 farmers, some farmers are larger than some, hence the ability to pay extra workers. (just like it's is in the cities, some people have the ability to pay extra workers, while some can't even in a white collar job).

So please try thinking out of your big "superior" brain, or is the brain already too old to multi-task?

^^^^

You are a poor old man, see i don't need a magician to tell me, hehehe, i know you are not in your 20s, hehehe, as for me, i am in my 20s hehehe

Sagamite:
You are a slowpoke!

You concoct conjecture just to defend moronic statements.

Explain to me how many workers the farmers will hire to work on his farm for N3700 a month. They gave the labour costs in the figures, you foool.

But you still came up with a moronic assertions instead of accepting facts and get yourself in another stinker!

It takes a fool to know a fool, it takes a madman to know another mad man, you're surely a madman hehehehehe 45 years and counting, your madness is really growing, how i wish Nigeria's economy is growing as fast as your madness

Now, it's better you don't make me make jest of you  

tkb417:
Sagamite, i am not Honeric oh

See your mouth, you know i don't like wasting time when the reason for a discussion's been ignored. hehehehe, anyways sha, abeg continue with your agbaya bros, hopefully, he won't turn on you when there's no one to insult again


i am begining to think if "won fi omi wérépé we bróda yi ni sha lati kekere"

Oga sagamite, i have an advice for you, please stop the way you chat up people on this forum, any other forum, or in the real world, you might end up not having an sensible friend to talk to. (sooner or later, you'd end up talking to yourself on this forum)

Sagamite:
STOP CHATTING CRAP MY FRIEND!

So these illiterates have workers? You just keep on picking whatever ediotic conjecture you can from thin air to defend a moronic statement you have made. That is you moronic style.

So if they hire workers, that means they have to pay the workers. The study says Labour cost was about N52,000 over 14 months. So how many workers do you think he would hire for N3700 per month?

Foooool, learn to know when to STFU! Conjecture throwing slowpoke! Just picks any statement without thinking and then vomits it.

Hehehehe, like i said, the more you type, the more senseless you appear hehehe, so you didn't know some farmers have workers? in your mind you think one farmer does all the work in his farm? hehehehe, i can't laugh again, ok ok, you will, please TBK417, hand him the victory cup abeg

Sagamite:
slowpoke, you are trying to switch subjects on me whilst I have rubbished you stewpid assertion? Farmers don't go to the farm almost every day?

And later you will say you did not say that and you can't see it when pointed out to you? Mugu!

Even tkb is turning it to a joke because he is seeing strong evidence on the ground.

Going to the farm to check their plants is not what they do for the whole of the day bro, a farmer often have workers they send to check the farm, so what's your point again?

^^^^

Nope bro, i said while you check, i wanted you to know that these girls (from the countries you quoted) are in school, most of them are still in secondary schools, but can that be said of our own girls? the European girls (America included) have all their bio-data in their various schools, so you can easily confirm theirs, but can you say that of our girls?

Why i chose to limit the girls i was targeting is because we often copy things from Europe and America, so if we are to be like them, we should do things accordingly the way it's done there, i CANNOT vouch for the Asian girls because even if they are 30yrs, you may not be able to verify, due to the way they look (except if u confirm from their schools), so i am only focusing on those from the western hemisphere.

You mean to tell me that you entered into the University when you were 16? the girls on our list are 90% from poor homes, so there's no possibility that any of them started school at the age you are stipulating.

To play in a professional league in Nigeria, you MUST be matured enough, kindly tell me of any first hand Nigerian female football player you know that started playing professionally while still in school, can you?

Most of these girls play in delta/rivers/calabar states, they play in a professional league, not school settings, are they in primary, secondary or in the universities?

The true U-17 can be found in secondary schools, to find a footballer (female) that's playing professionally in Nigeria while schooling is a no no.

Lastly, to know if these girls are truly 17, all you need do is try to figure out when they started playing PROFESSIONALLY.

Oparanozie of the U-20 claimed to be 16yrs old, yet she has been playing for a professional club since 2007, that automatically means she started playing by 13? you believe that do you?

A typical 16yrs old in a Nigerian settings (we are not talking about the overfed over-pampered rich kids oo, those don't have time for professional football in Nigeria), we are talking about girls from average or less than average homes, i have girls around me who are in the early 20s, NONE OF THEM is as OLD as these girls representing us, except you want to be lying to yourself which i won't be surprise if you are.

Do i have to be married to know how an U 17 girl look like? can you kindly confirm to me why you think they are REAL U-17?

Sagamite:
This is what I am talking about.

You are an utter slowpoke, you need to know when you goof and quickly scurry away instead of trying to bring another moronic thought that breaks all logic as fact.

Foooooooool, so farmers just plant and then go and sit down? They don't go practically every day to tend to the land?

Mugu, even mechanized farmers in the West are on their farms practically everyday, talkless of hoe and cutlass carrying farmers.

slowpoke! So their other source of income is more than their major income?

Foool, I said I knew your moronic arguing pattern.

Hehehehe, you be the original agbaya i have ever seen, hehehehe, you already agreed to my points through tbk's post, but you are here sounding like a 1950 record hehehehe

i no fit laugh again, you can keep cussing, that's your problem, it's part and parcel of you, so i can't help you.

I hope you don't cuss your relatives like this all the time?

Hehehe, all of them must be brought to book if found guilty!

^^^^

Yes, please continue, unlike the Nigerian counterpart, if you research on the names of the other countries (mostly Europe), you'd see that THEY ARE ALL IN SCHOOL, do that to our own players and see what you'd get.

I am waiting for your response.

SHEAU:
This is a posting error on the part of an officer of the bank and it was reversed after the acct owner withdrew the 20000Naira. hence the officer involved will be sanction, im pretty sure the error was costly

Error? uhmmm hehehe, 9 billion naira an error? into a [b]savings [/b]account?

Sagamite:
You are a slowpoke?

You are a WHAT?

Say it: . . . . . . . . . . . MO-RON!

So how does your highlighted prove I am not making sense? Whose argument does those figures back?

They make ₦322,413 profit over 14 months and have to cater for a family of 8 on average. Is that not living on N96 per day?

And it goes further to say, those farmers are high earners, that in 14 months others earn N105K. For a family of 8, is that not N31 per day?

Do you ever use your brain?

You always think you are making sense until you end up shooting yourself, farmers don't plant for the whole year, what do you think they do when it's not time to plant or harvest? they just sit at home and do nothing? that's where the other source of income kick in, so who's making sense?

who's the mo-ron?

Now who's making sense? farmers don't just sit at home when they are not farming, they go into trading other commodities to cover up for the period they are not farming.

I rest my case, SAGAMITE, you are something else, i can't insult you again, you and the word slowpoke must have been born/founded at the same time, hence the obsession 

Sagamite:
tkb

Here is a research of 1535 families in Abeokuta.

http://ajol.info/index.php/ad/article/viewFile/22250/19409

Albeit, it is of poor families in the city where kids have to do some kind of work. I think it will make sense to conservatively assume that type of family is representative of at least 50% of the town.

Look at page labelled 58 on the document but 9 in the truncated pdf.

Average household income of 80% of these families is N20,000. And the average family size is 6 (2 parents and 4 kids)*

*Honerico, can you see an example of when I tell you that my brain is too sharp and has a lot of logical reasoning. What did I say about average family structure in Ilaro? You don't know I speak facts?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-507378.256.html#msg6712224

tkb did not argue stewpidly unlike you. He saw logic and accepted instead of grabbing any moronic point to defend a point that can not stand. If it was your dumb arse, you would have maintained that the average Nigerian family is 4 that because [assuming your logic process here] "We have abandoned polygamy in the South". I know how you argue moronically.

Who and you is comparing whose brain is bigger here? do you get paid for it? i don't understand your point here, are you competing with someone or what exactly are you into?

you and tbk are the ones talking about ilaro, how's that an issue that concerns me?

by the way, is Ilaro even up to 0.3% of the rural areas in Nigeria? is Ilaro even a rural area when it comes to where it's located? (state wise?)

I am not competing with you bro, we are only discussing, agreeing to disagree why i believe 70% of Nigerians do not live below 1$ a day.

If you want to compare your brain with others, go apply as a lecturer in a university, go on a symposium, or just go on who wants to be a millionaire, don't you think you're wasting your "brain" here on NL?

Sagamite:
Honerico, more for you.

My brain is too much for you, when I tell you something is fact, accept.

Here is another study of places in Akwa Ibom. As you spread awy from the more affluent, more education-intensive, costlier and congested SW, the average houshold sizes grow. In Akwa Ibom it appears to be 5-8, well in line with my FACTS.

By the time you heard North, Polygamy, illiteracy and poverty will shoot it up to double figures. I don't pick figures and rubbish opinions from thin air like you, I use intense and well honed logical thought and prescience.

http://factsreports.revues.org/index438.html

I can see that your brain is mixed with insults, when you try to make sense, you rub it off with insult, at the end of the day, you end up not driving home any sensible point, your brain is too twisted to know when to differentiate making sense to not making sense.

i hope you were able to see these points from the links you provided?

Average costs and returns in waterleaf production

33[b]Table 1 below shows the average costs and returns of waterleaf farmers in the study area. The average revenue from waterleaf output was found to be ₦411,721 per ha. The total cost incurred per ha was ₦89,307. Labour had the highest percentage of total cost of production with 58%, followed by planting materials with 33%. The total variable cost constituted 95% while the fixed cost constituted just 5% of the total cost of production. The enterprise had an average net income of ₦322,413 per farmer per ha, in a production cycle of 14 months.[/b]

The profitability ratios calculated to establish profitability levels of the enterprise are presented in Table 2. These are profitability index (PI), rate of returns on investment (RRI%), rate of returns on variable cost (RRVC%) and operating ratio (OR). The average PI for all farms was 0.78, indicating that out of every naira (₦) earned, about 78 kobo accrue to the farmer as net income. Also, with an RRI% of 361%, a farmer therefore earns ₦361 profit on every naira spent on waterleaf production. RRVC% was estimated to be about 482% per production season. In other words, every ₦1 cost incurred on variable inputs generates about ₦482.

Conclusion

37Waterleaf farmers in the study area are within the economically active labour force with a high level of education. The farmers made an average net farm income of ₦322,413 per hectare per production cycle. This is considered high because in fourteen months, those under paid employment and earning the minimum wage received ₦105,000. The average PI, RRI%, RRVC% and OR were found to be 0.78, 361, 482 and 0.21 respectively, all of which establish the fact that waterleaf production in the area is profitable, though labour intensive.

The result of the analysis shows that the majority (90%) of the farmers had some level of formal education. Labour had the highest percentage (58%) of total cost of production, suggesting that waterleaf production was labour intensive in the area.  The average net income per hectare per waterleaf production cycle was ₦322,413 while the average total cost was ₦89,307.18. Labour cost constituted the highest percentage of total variable cost. The profitability index (0.78), rate of returns on investment (361%), rate of returns on variable cost (482%), and operating ratio (0.21) suggest that waterleaf production was profitable in the study area. The identified major factors that enhance the output of waterleaf were the application of poultry manure, bigger household size (cheap labour), level of education of the farmer and level of capital.




Now, what have i been talking about? i was trying to let you know that living in the village does not automatically translate to being poor, not being able to make money, either does it translate to living below $1. (Take note, the second sampling was gotten from 90 farmers)

Bro, let's just stop, like i said before, i am not competing with you, if you want competition, go to these places i recommended above, i rather use my brain to better the people around me (including myself), than waste it online with a faceless id arguing on and forth for no just reason.

To really detect how many Nigerians live below $1, it will take years of research, both of us can't do it here, so what i find amazing is why they keep showing us a research that was obviously done more than 10yrs ago, using that to validate the present economic prowess of Nigerians and Nigeria.

Bro, i can't continue arguing (no longer a discussion) and i don't have time to keep pace with your insults either. (already turned into it)

I hope all of the guilty ones go to jail, they must go to jail

Former NFF President Sani Lulu Abdullahi and three others will go on trial on Tuesday on charges of corruption.

Lulu is joined by former First Vice President Amanze Uchegbulam, former Executive Committee member Taiwo Ogunjobi and former Secretary General Bolaji Ojo-Oba.

Nigeria's anti -corruption body, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) have detained all four men in preparation for their arraignment on Tuesday.

EFCC spokesman Femi Babafemi said the suspects would appear before Abuja Federal High Court Judge, Mr Justice D. Okorowa.

Among the charges brought against the quartet are:

• Payment of estacodes/allowances of $800,000 to 220 delegates to the World Cup in South Africa. Only 47 of which were authorised NFF officials

• mismanagement of N900million World Cup funds;

• purchase of over-inflated luxury buses for the Super Eagles;

• incurring a $125,000 fine in South Africa over a deal with Hampshire Hotel;

• mismanagement of $250,000 to charter a faulty aircraft for the Super Eagles from London to South Africa; and

• spending $400,000 for a friendly match between Colombia and Nigeria in London.

The officials were originally questioned on July 6 by the EFCC.

kickoffnigeria.com

lacidi:
Yes, i have seen their faces and I can compare them to any normal 17 year old in Nigeria. I am not sure you live in Nigeria, if you do, then you will not be asking this question. Have you seen a 16 year old Nigerian Girl? Seriously. I will advise that you make out time and go to an SS2 classroom in one of the secondary schools and tell me what you observed. Do you know that many of the girls you see in Year 1 in the Universities are still 16? Do you find it hard to believe?

Now I can tell you clealry that there is no apparent difference between a 16 year old and a 19 year old except maybe in carriage. You can check it out yourself.

Keep deceiving yourself you hear?

I live in Nigeria

And these girls are not the typical 17 years old girl in Nigeria

Let me help you out with where they play, i can't continue arguing.

Nr. Name Date of Birth Position Clubs Height
1 Amina ABU 08/08/1993 GK Delta Queens (NGA) 160 Shocked
2 Sarah NNODIM 25/12/1995 DF Adamawa Queens (NGA) 154 Shocked
3 Gladys ABASI 28/12/1995 DF Inneh Queens (NGA) 168 Lips sealed
4 Oluchi OFOEGBU 20/07/1995 MF Pelican Stars (NGA) 156 Lips sealed
5 Chioma ALIMBA 22/12/1995 DF Inneh Queens (NGA) 162 Shocked
6 Ugo NJOKU 27/11/1994 DF Delta Queens (NGA) 168 Shocked
7 Loveth AYILA 06/09/1994 FW Adamawa Queens (NGA) 158 Lips sealed
8 Christiana OSUNDELE 24/09/1995 MF Sunshine Queens (NGA) 155 Embarrassed
9 Francisca ORDEGA 19/10/1993 FW Bayelsa Queens (NGA) 160 Lips sealed
10 Ngozi OKOBI 14/12/1993 MF Delta Queens (NGA) 156 Shocked
11 Winifred EYEBHORIA 14/02/1994 MF Ibom Stars (NGA) 163 Shocked
12 Damilola AKANO 30/12/1993 GK Sunshine Queens (NGA) 166 Shocked
13 Kemi ABIODUN 20/12/1994 MF Amazons Queens (NGA) 168 Shocked
14 Halimatu AYINDE 16/05/1995 FW Amazons Queens (NGA) 164 Shocked
15 Victoria AIDELOMON 11/12/1995 DF Pelican Stars (NGA) 171 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Cry
16 Jane DAVID 10/08/1993 FW Delta Queens (NGA) 169 Shocked
17 Omolade AKINBIYI 31/12/1994 DF Sunshine Queens (NGA) 158 Shocked
18 Ebere OKOYE 03/12/1995 FW Inneh Queens (NGA) 162 Embarrassed
19 Yetunde ALUKO 26/12/1995 FW Sunshine Queens (NGA) 161 Shocked Shocked
20 Ogechi OKWARAJI 01/06/1995 MF Adamawa Queens (NGA) 159 Shocked
21 Ibijoke SANGONUGA 20/12/1994 GK Inneh Queens (NGA) 169 Lips sealed



Do youself a favor, go to any of the female football matches played in Nigeria (delta state to be precise), go feed your eyes.

a 15-17yrs old already playing in a professional league for YEARS in Nigeria , when did they start playing? 9? 10? 8? 11? from the womb or where?

^^^^

Sagamite:
You did not say all this things. 

LWKMD.

Go and re-read your posts on this thread.

You want to waste my time.

The last one I showed you, due to your weed smoking, you said you did not see it even when I reposted the link. That one na Igbo Fire!

Quote me word by word, that's what we call "FACT", do the right thing for once.

As for the link own, none of my post is on the pages you sent, the only one there was with TBK, and none was with you.

Sagamite:
Over my dead body will I degrade to the level where my "facts" are:

People prefer not to dress well because they live in a village and not a city.

Those in the city are not on average more affluent than those in the villages.

Prices do not change even when food is transported.

One derelict building makes an area a slum.

Most Nigerians top-up their mobiles everyday.

An average pot of stew to feed 2 in Nigeria is £2.

Most Nigerians have a second stream of income and most own shops? Is Nigeria called Shopville.

People in Nigerian villages are not poor when they die in their mid-forties and will servilely seek money from you when you go there.

This is the main reason why i hardly argue with your kind, i always give options, but you often end up only dwelling on one of my options, ignoring the rest.

If you can kindly quote me where i said all these things without options, then I'd be glad to accept your ranting, must you lie to pass your points across?

The issue of dressing was a "maybe", because i had alot of reasons posted and not just the one you chose to cling on.

On the issues of slum, i posted more than 5 different pix of different areas, how did you end up with 1?

On the village and city issue, you are just an issue, because i am yet to see where i said that.

infact, i am typing too much, JUST QUOTE ME, and stop twisting words as if we are in a court of law, you won't get any money from lying bro.

martog:
@ Paulo1234 and @ honeric01, You guys dont need to argue who is right or wrong. Just trade what you see on your chart, and let price prove you right or otherwise,

nah bro, we are only rubbing minds oo, nothing like argument, looking at which price is best to watch.

bro, abeg come yim make we yarn, the guy show up this morning and we talked for length.

USD is currently 149/150
Euro is currently 187/189

ken10000:
ssshhhhh of course it's not , but like I always say its ok as long as your not caught.
If u want i'll ask my bro for the details on how he did it and post it.

Bro, no post am here oo, well sha, i am loyal . com, you too much sha!

Sorry babe, been kinda restless for a while now, got alot in my mind so far, hope you understand?

all the same, how you dey? we can talk, buzz me ok?

I only heard and read of the "feeling it" part, dunno about the sucking sha.

Sagamite:
I was not challenging your stance. I was challenging the nauseating reasoning and logic you used to present your stance.

The pie-in-the-sky facts you got from delusion whilst yet requesting that someone else provide evidence that they have gone to village by village to verify professional research.

The attempt to sillily redefine animal behaviours, economic theory and logic to defend a silly, lack of grey matter influenced and ridiculous assertions instead of taking correction.

You can keep typing BIG BIG English, that won't change the fact that you are also guilty of the same "offense" you are accusing me of, i only paid you with your own coin.

You kept typing "FACT", i wanted to know what you understood by "fact", hence the questions!

^^^^

Nice, incredible tit-tat chat, a little bit of everything = matured minds

Sagamite:
Mugu, you need to read posts before you open your gob as I told you.

Since when have I been saying the 70% might be worng before you noticed now.

Nah, why then were you challenging my stands? i was clamoring that the 70% was wrong, you saw that before challenging my stands, $2-3? debatable, but $1 for 70%, outright rubbish!

tkb417:
bad guy
it will get to $5 a day soon

Hehehehehe, $5 a day, nope that's not possible either, only %1-10% is likely to spend close to that on feeding a day.

Sagamite:
I have no doubt that it is hard to obtain info about Nigeria, I personally have tried several times. I know it would even be harder for someone outside Nigeria sitting in a Bretton Woods building and has never lived in Nigeria, but I am very sure based on empirical evidence of my existence in Nigeria that it is not far off. Maybe 70% live on less than $2-3 a day

Gradually, he's seeing reasons why some of us have decided not to believe the 70% living below $1 myth.