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Results so far.

GEJ- 55

GMB- 218

Gap- 163 points.

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watered:
Honestly if GEJ had performed Buhari wouldn't have been a bone of contention. He should be so ashamed to be competing with Buhari. Personally I believe so much in GMB. I do not have an iota of confidence in GEJ cos dat guy lost it.

In all fairness GEJ tried but may be his efforts fell below the expections of some Nigerians hence the clamour for change.

For me, the most annoying one is his failure in the power sector. Prof Bath Nnaji was getting the power thing right only for GEJ to remove him for silly reasons. Since then the rising power sector has gone down woefully.

Again, Nigerians called for the removal of Stella Oduah as minister of aviation due to the series of air crashes and GEJ removed her but Nigerians have been calling for the removal of the petroleum minister, Diezani Allison-Madueke, due to corrupt practices and GEJ refused to remove her.

The gap widens dangerously this time around.

GEJ- 47

GMB- 184.

Gap widens by 137 points.

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The gap widens again. Hits 94 points.

GEJ- 39.

GMB- 133.

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APC why una dey give this kind of gap? It a no good o. Make una try run slow small na make PDP meet up to an extent abeg.

The gap widens again.

GMB- 116.

GEJ- 35

Gap- 81 points.

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Wowww.....

GEJ in early 30s.

GMB in early 100s. With 71 points ahead.

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watered:
Genea who is ur candidate of choice?

At first I had my support for GEJ. After reading fr Mbaka's sermon and the issues he raised about GEJ, my support for him weakened. Now with the result I'm seeing here the little suppert that is remaining in me is gradually being swept away with APC broom. Make I dey watch first before I finally decide.

GEJ still below 30 while Buhari hits 90.

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MRLANNISTER:
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Pls where are the PDP election riggers o. Pls make una show work dey abeg. GEJ cannot lose like this.

GMB till devil becomes born again

GEJ goes slow again at 28 while GMB is at 80. Gap is 52.

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Na wa o.

MRLANNISTER:
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Yea GEJ was 20 when GMB hit 70 but now GEJ has moved to 25 while GMB is still at 70. Here- (Modify) (Quote) (Report) 25 Likes 70 Shares (Share)

Am watching the growth and the gap but so far I fear for GEJ except calculations will change as voting continues.

175:
See as you wan take rig am ooo lol

Him name na rigger. a.k.a - Riirii.

Rilwon:
Better don't waste your time

Not wasting my time. Calculations can change bro. Voting is still on though the growing gap between the two is really suprising. Make I dey watch first.

kestolove95:
are dey still insulting d pdp? And tell me hw did d apc startd d insult?

Those who live in glass house should not throw stones.

GMB- 60.

GEJ- 19.

Buhari leading with 41 points so far.

GMB-32.

GEJ- 9.

Buhari Leading with 23 points.

GMB- 18.

GEJ- 7.

Buhari leading with 11 points so far.

laimo:
What's GEJ again?



That animal and drunkard?
Okay...

No don't insult him or anybody pls. Be a descent Nigerian. Let the votes speak. Thanks.

GMB- 8

GEJ- 4

Buhari leading so far with four points.

kestolove95:
While BUHARI is busy tellin us. His plan if elected..gej is busy tellin us how buhari dnt knw his phone number or how buhari will b busy building prisons...dat gej lost my vote since he strtd his campaign..

But don't you think APC started the war first?

GMB- 2.

GEJ- 1

So far.

House let me get this straight. Who is winning the heart of Nigerians so far in the presidential campaign? Simply put: who has won your heart/vote already?

Hit the "like" button if it is GEJ.

Hit the"share" button if it is GMB.

Oya make una hit now make I settle this argument and rest jare.

biafranqueen:
Follow this thread I have power sector, eastern farmers, all of that coming up we will talk later about who else did this much in 4.8 years I will tag you soon.

You people want to mess Jonathan up. See when you are coming up with his achievements, when Buhari's campaign don full everywhere. Could it be that you people were sleeping or you were not sure of what he did? Meanwhile i ve not seen what he is doing in power sector. A lot of areas in PH are still suffering epileptic power supply terribly.
Barth Nnaji was getting this power thing right before GEJ cut him short for meaningless reasons. So annoying.

DieeDiee:
Why are you avoiding to answer? (he he he...) Yes 50 billion, He is taking forever in fact maybe it's been a 100 billion years. Exact number does not matter the 50 billion illustrates it has been too many years even you can't deny that

I don't know about the 50 billlion years you quoted. but i understand what you mean.

God has his plans as a creator and he will run things the way he wants it. Non of us can stampede him into closing up this world before his appointed time. We can only be angry, deny his existence, abuse him, argue etc. but it doesn't change anything where God is.

Much as i will want him to close up this world, my wish cannot do it either. He will do it when he wants. My own duty is to be on the good side of God's plan by being fit for heaven at all times and i pray you do same my dear. Lets face life as we have seen it and be on the good side so as to enjoy eternity in heaven. The choice is yours and mine.

DieeDiee:
I hear what you are saying. What I am saying and what I have asked you is why does God need 50 billion years to execute this so-called plan? The world has been coming to an end since the beginning of time. How many humans does God need to suffer before He executes this plan. What I am saying to you is that if He exists it is sadistic and cruel of Him to sit back and watch His "beloved" creations suffer when He can do something about it, for example, either execute this grand plan or destroy Lucifer much like the king in my example was cruel to let his subjects suffer yet still expect their loyalty and praise when he could have easily ended their misery by either firing the deputy or just moving his kingdom to the other land.

50 billion years?

DieeDiee:
Developed countries are built on the back, sweat and tears of 3rd world countries. God, if He exists, still played a role you cannot run away from that no matter how much you try. It spins but it always lands back at God. I cannot speak for Nigeria but in my country as in most previously colonised countries what mostly weakened those nations were supernatural and had nothing to do with their brains. Drought, famine and disease brought by whites those are not man-made or man controlled but creations of God. White people also had superior military power. Prior to white people landing in Africa, Africans had no need for superior military power having traded and interacted with other nations for centuries without threat so you cannot blame them and say they should have been prepared. They had no reason to need superior military power.

The king and his kingdom are an exact reflection of God, the world, the Lucifer excuse and what is happening in the world.

When the whites colonised us things were far better than it is now and since they left us we ve been groping in the dark and trying to come out of it.
Its a matter of time and we ll be there.

Again If you followed my writings well here you ll notice that I never exempted God entirely from the picture of the world so the issue of me trying to run away from it is not there at all.

The big picture I talked about remains a clear difference, amongst others, between your story of the king and God's package for us as I said before. And I said that without the big picture, the king is quite unfair. (same would ve been applicable in God's case too but for the big picture).

DieeDiee:
Ha ha ha... You are deliberately skating around the issue because you know it's not fair and it's cruel of the king to not fire the deputy and free his people from the suffering.

Btw earlier you had said something about Africa suffering because of the way they play the game. True but it is God who designed and created the game board so God is still liable :p

Nneoma I'm not skating around rather I'm looking at God based on his person as written in the scripture and the king you wrote about based on your writings of him.

As for Africa, God gave us brain to reason like he gave others, resources as he gave others. We are the ones mismanging these things. God is not the one that told us not to make good use of our brain(though some do make good use of their brain). When some of us travel oversees we behave well but when we come back here we slide back to our awkward style. That's the point I was trying to make there. Its not as if the developed countries are perfect anyway. They started like us and got to where they are. We shall get there too with time. That's life.

DieeDiee:
How is what God is doing different? Anyway I asked you not compare the king and God because I knew you (christians) would use it as a cop out. I asked you look at the situation and judge that. But just for you ... imagine the king has promised his subjects another land where they'll enjoy abundance and never have to work again but to get to this land they need to prove their love and loyalty by praising his greatness and bearing with their suffering.

Of course if there is a far better place ahead then thats the big picture and it means i wont bother much about the harsh conditions I'm given in this temporary abode in order to get to the land of comfort which is eternal. There is an adage in my place that says- "aguu nwere hope adighi egbu egbu"(the hunger wey get hope of food no dey kill) .

A maximum of 100 years of age(or a little above it in rare cases) in this temporary and uncomfortable world cannot be compared with an eternity in the new heaven and the new earth that is full of bliss, comfort and free of pain, sorrow,death, evil and discomfort.

If there is no big picture, like in the case of the king and his kingdom in your story, then the whole scenario doesnt make sense. It means the king is just being quite unfair.

davien:
Free will only works when no rules apply...the christian "god" only has "conditioned will" I.e "as far as you do x and y,z won't happen to you" but this question poses a flaw in christianity itself that christians have always tried to make excuses for...

Two major and only things that is in life to choose from are GOOD AND EVIL. Every other thing falls under any of these two. The freewill or the choice that we are talking about is based on these two.

DieeDiee:
And like I said then that means God is an egotistical and cruel sadist. Only a sadist takes pleasure in a person's misery. He wants people to suffer (I quote from you: "God's concept for this world is not to make it a palatable place for us" and "thats how he wants it" ) yet He expects worship and praise for these sufferings? When He decides to throw you a small bone every now and then after making you beg (pray and fast) profusely you should be eternally grateful?

Story time: Imagine there is this rich kingdom with plenty for everyone but not everyone is getting because of the situation there. In this kingdom the king put a cruel man in charge and to do as he pleases. He did it knowing full well how cruel this man is. This man creates a culture of evil where you are allowed to rape, kill, steal, cheat the poor etc. There is no punishment for these crimes (remember it is our human laws that punish criminals not God) but instead you are told your suffering will be avenged at death. This king travels around the kingdom everyday. He can see the suffering his people are going through. Everyday millions of people come to the palace to beg for his mercy and his help. This king insists they must prove their loyalty and love to him that they must worship him (regardless of their suffering and the fact it is the king that is letting it happen). In any given street corner you find people singing praises, on their knees begging for mercy. Even though this king is getting the worship he wanted he doesn't take his people out of their misery instead he tells them he loves them and that they must continue to show their love and loyalty, that he has a plan for them but he will not execute it now in fact he'll first let their suffering get worse. When asked why he is allowing this suffering he says it's not him but his deputy. When asked why not fire him the king says he is a kind man who cannot do that but this king sees nothing wrong with beheading people who do not worship him but instead call him out on his behaviour.

Question: What is your take on this king? Do you think he is treating his people fairly? Do you think he is showing them love? Do you think what he is doing is okay because he's "got a plan"?

The picture you painted here does not truly represent God.

While the king you presented here has no other plan beyond his kingdom that you described here, the issue is different on God's side.

God is a creator who has his concepts i still say. He has two ultimate places of eternal stay and reward beyond the earth. The new heaven and the new earth is a place of total comfort and enjoyment forever while the lake of fire is a place of total punishment forever. The earth is a temporary place with a combination of both comfort and discomfort. This earth is not the end point as in the case of the king in your story whose one kingdom is the beginning and the end of the story.

The earth is like a place where the game of which of the two divides one has to choose is played. If you play by the rules of the game you end up in the place of comfort and if you play contrary to the rules of the game you end up in the place of punishment. The game of life is majorly played by us as creatures with higher reasoning (and with minimal interference by God). It is we that choose whether to commit evil or not. Yes God may or may not interfere in some cases because of the fact that his concept is for us to play the game by ourselves having given us the brain, energy, reasoning ability and other things to sort these things out here.

Somehow like a coach who has provided the athletes with the necessary techniques for winning and its left for him to put it to work and win or fail to put it to work and lose out.

African societies are suffering highly today not because of God but because of how we are playing our game. If we play the game of life well our society will get better and evil and misery will reduce drastically. yet it doesn't mean that life will be entirely free of pain and discomfort.

The issue of whether God is right or wrong in his concept does not really matter here because even if we think God's concept is bad, there's nothing any of us can do about it. The best is to face it, play by the rules and enjoy an eternity of comfort.

Frosbel if only you can keep the thread at this level of rubbing minds with brethren then thats very ok. Keep it up if you can.