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DieeDiee:
It's not just the thread in real life too. People will talk about "this other girl who blah blah" no one ever says I if they do the story is always ambiguous.

yea we learn from different angles in life. Sometimes you learn from personal experiences and some other times you learn from the experiences of others. Its not bad if people give experiences of others that they may have learned from. No hard and fast rule concerning these learning processes.

DieeDiee:
Judgement day will be a little too late. The victim has already suffered and nothing can change that or take the pain away. Damage is done.

Thats what i'm saying that God's concept for this world is not to make it a palatable place for us, free of pains etc. It is the new heaven and the new earth that he will make free of all these negatives.

We may ask why, but thats how he wants it. Theres nothing we can do about it than to face it.

DieeDiee:
I asked for those experiences in my other post and not a single person (including you) was able to tell me. All people did was regurgitate what they had heard and quote me scriptures. Not a single person was able to testify to being touched by God in an unambiguous way. That you needed help and so-and-so came along and helped you does not prove God's existence and it is an ASSUMPTION that he was sent by God as there is no proof of that it could be just plain coincidence.

People might still respond to that thread much later. Some, like me, may not have enough time now to detail their experiences but later when they find enough time they will write. Some thread becomes active weeks or months after opening them so be patient with the thread. Its not yet time to conclude that people failed to respond. Some are yet to see the thread.

DieeDiee:
That is the point! If He is so loving and caring of His creations why does He allow atrocities to happen to them? How can He sit back and cooly watch an innocent, young girl get kidnapped, raped and be forcefully married off to a Boko Haram soldier? How can he sit back and watch a young 4 year old malnourished child with sores, broken skin and sorry for an excuse scraps of dirty cloth for clothing cry as it scourers the floor in search for food? How does he sit back and watch a 6 year old child go down on its knees and open its mouth so that "uncle/grandpa/daddy" can pleasure himself? Is the Boko Haram soldier one of the faces of God? Is a 60 year old man sexually abusing a child a manifestation of God's characteristic? Wow, I'd much rather be heathen and go to hell as it cannot worse than this. You and your God cannot use sin as an excuse. What was He expecting if He failed to give Africans, Asians etc. their own Moses, Abram, Noah and company. He never sent Jesus to them so how can He turn around now and claim it is punishment for their heathen past when He had sat back century after century watching these nations practice their believe, even BLESSING them with riches and abundance! Lastly, my question remains: why does He need 50 billions years to execute His plan, why not now?

Ps: I don't hate God how can I hate something that does not exist? Besides, hate is such a waste of emotion.

Evil/sin are not God's characteristics and i never said so rather they provoke his characteristics (love,mercy,judgment and wrath) to manifest. love and mercy for the repentant heart, wrath and judgment for the unrepentant heart. All these people who are carrying out these evil you ve mentioned are not going free, they will face his judgment and eternal punishment at last. You may ask why he has to wait till the last day to punish them, thats how he wants it.

That notwithstanding, evil men still starts to receive the reward of their evill even while they are alive.

DieeDiee:
Many things are beyond experiment yet their existence can be prove. For example, kindness. It cannot be experimented but we know for a fact it exists because we can observe it and we can feel it.

Diee, billions of people also feel God in their lives, experience his power in their lives in divers ways, seen his works in people's lives and everywhere etc. That some other people have not felt or experienced his presence in their lives cannot nullify his existence as experienced by these billions of people across the globe.

davien:
I commend intellectual honesty whenever I see it...christian,muslim,hindu,atheist etc...frosbel has been intellectually honest enough to review(albeit to myself not entirely)his worldview and has come across profound discoveries..
A common christian would think an atheist like me is just "angry at god" because of a sad event or just rebelling or "possessed" or just came across a website making a case against a belief and I fell for it...
Truth is I was a staunch christian.. I had even decided to become a pastor and so I decided to go study "the word" historically....and it's origin and it's canon...what I found was nothing the common preacher was preaching behind the altar but the opposite....so it was either to be intellectually honest about it or find a way to convince myself no matter what.

The same word you rejected, is working wonders in the lives of billions of people accross the globe over the years.

DieeDiee:
Well! Judging from the world He guessed wrong unless this horrible world is His way which goes back to my earlier statement that God isn't so loving after all.

The world is a combination of good and bad and this appears to be how God wants it. This leads back to what i said earlier on about his concept for creation- to make manifest his characteristics.
Thi.ngs that happen in life happen because he allowed it. See what he allowed Jesus to pass through on earth because its his concept for the redemption plan. His love for Jesus didnt make him to stop him(Jesus) from fulfilling his(God's) concept for our redemption.

As for the one you talked about taking him 50 billion years to set things right, its not so. if you follow his plan for this world in tbe bible you ll see that theres nothing in his plan that shows that this world will get better rather it ll be getting worse until the last day when he ll wipe out this present earth and heaven and create a new perfect one

Obviously there is nothing we can do to manouvre God than to make ourselves fit into the good side of his eternal plan. Hating him and telling ourselves that he does not exist is never a solution. God is bigger and greater than us beyond measure.
This is my opinion sweetheart. The choice remains yours.

vooks:
My broda,
What better way to solve this that beginning your own church on a clean slate free of all these 'errors'. Why be so critical of something you are equally capable of doing? Do it your way

What concerns me with opening a church when the exiisting ones are derailing from the standard? I'm not iinterested in the corporate church where one man and his wife are regarded as tin gods whose words and actions must not be questioned even when it runs contrary to the scripture.

I dont want baba-has-spoken gospel.
I dont want position seekers gospel.
I dont want holy nwaeje gospel.
I dont want church of politics.
I dont want money money gospel.

I want a simple gathering of those who yearn for daily personal encounter with Jesus (not via baba)
Of those who yearn for the truth.
Of those who yearn for revival and pray for it.
A gathering where we will in honour prefer one another.
Where love reigns as shown by Christ and the apostles.
Where everybody will care about everybody's good.
Where the holy spirit will operate freely as it was in the days of old.
I hate going to church and not getting revived. Its a waste of time.

vooks:
Frosbel,lastmessenger,honourhim
The world is perishing and you are here typing away junk. How heartless! Is that Christlike?
Start your church where your terms are doctrine. Hell is too offensive? Kick it out. Virgin birth is mythical? remove that too.
Clean the house of God of all hedonism. Save vooks from foolishness. Stick to whatever you think is the word of God. Sanitize the scriptures of all adulterations.

Of course am assuming you have enough brains to run a fellowship of two

What are you doing to yourself bro? Are you ok with the state of the church now? Too bad if you are.

And must you accuse me falsely to make your point? When did I say I don't believe in the virgin birth or hell fire? Pls watch your tongue o.

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DieeDiee:
If there is a God then He created simply for the benefit of his amusement .

Not for his amusement but to manifest his person I think.

e.g.His wrath cannot manifest without the negatives.
His mercy cannot manifest without the negatives etc.

He sees the end from the beginning and in the light of this, one may say he knew things will go this way. For him to have gone ahead to create may mean that that's how he wants it (my views and I may be wrong).

timonski:
The God that created Yahweh. The biblical god is too limited in power

How do you mean?

DieeDiee:
You think you are defending God but all you have done is prove what greater love than God humans have. How more forgiving humans are. Your parent no matter how much wrong you have done will never destroy you instead (even though they might punish you) will love you harder and work harder to protect you because they will interpret it as they haven't done a good job of guiding you.

My dear I'm not defending God and I won't also abuse him. For me I take him based on what the scripture said about him and not what the pastor said about him(as you ve done). The scripture presented his characteristics as a God of love, of wrath, of mercy, of judgment etc.

What do you think is God's concept in creation? Is it to create just for the sake of it? Or is it to please us the created? Or to manifest his characteristics in his creation? Or a combination of any/all of these three?

DieeDiee:
Yes you feigned you have something to say but ended up saying nothing.

I still maintain that I have examples to give but I have no time to write them. I have lots of other things doing. I just pop in here from time to time and the little time I spend each time I come up is not enough to detail my examples and I said this from the onset. Not that I said it after your reply so there's no feigning here.

DieeDiee:
Ps: thanks for calling me Nneoma *blush*

Of course you are Nneoma. I like your gentleness in disagreement. Keep it up.

GeneralShepherd:
Who created this Christian God?

God is the very first cause.

DieeDiee:
Christianity doesn't need anything or anyone to make it contradict itself it does that perfectly all by itself. Proof: God is supposedly all knowing and knows what you are going to do before you know yourself. If that is true why didn't he know that Lucifer was going to try to overthrow Him and "bring" evil?

How did you know that God didn't know that lucifer will fall?

DieeDiee:
A rational being with that knowledge would have prevented that from happening by either not creating Lucifer or stopping him somehow before hand. .

God has hiis reason for allowing things go that way and it must not suit ours. Do you know his purpose for creating the earth and all that are in it?

DieeDiee:
God is claimed to be loving and forgiving yet he loves punishing people and destroying cities in the bible. That's neither loving or forgiving.

Did God claim he is only loving and does his love mean poampering evil doers?
Did he say he ll forgive when you ve not asked for it?
Did he say he is punishing because he loves to punish even when he made a way of escape (the redemption plan)? If he loves punishing then he wouldn't have made the way out.

DieeDiee:
But you didn't make any point You only said you have proof but don't have time to write. Is that not feigning?

Nneoma do you understand the word feigning?
How does not having time to write means feigning? Did I say it after your reply? No. So why would you now feel I was defeated by your reply and because of that i feigned that I have no time?

motherlode:
Was I harsh on him? If I was sorry ooo Mr. Lawyer. And please are you living a Christ like life because I know no one is perfect?

Yes you were harsh on her and she commented about your harshness. She said in her OP that she doesn't want such yet you did. Check your response to her and hers to you and you ll see what i'm saying. All I'm saying is that the harshness wasn't necessary as a christian. Thanks.

DieeDiee:
Because you made no point only feigned at making one then cowered away with "I don't have time to write"

And I told you that I don't have time to start writing experiences. If I had time to do that you would ve seen that my points are different from what you wrote.

You are the one that requested that people should share experiences and I know that what I want to write will require some detailed account which I have no time to write. hence I sincerely said no time on my side. I said this from the beginning but now you are making it look as if it was your reply that made me say I don't have time. Na wa for you. Na so you dey twist things?

With your response I can see that you don't even know what the thread you opened entails. That means that contrary to my thought, you opened the usual box-me-i-box-you thread between atheists and christians. You dey try o.

DieeDiee:
My brother you are confused let's drop it.

My sister you are the one confused.

DieeDiee:
Go back and read what you said. Then read my response to you. Did you not say there's no reason to doubt God created the universe? Now which part of my response to you is digressing?

Its not me you were addresseng I can see.

davien:
Why do you christians lie? Must you never be proven wrong on anything?

What's the lie there? She just rehashed the usual atheists stuff which has no solid base. At least my comment was made based on the points in the OP which you people have serially failed to nullify.

Simply nulify those points and you ve addressed my comment. For now, una dey dance kwashiokor dance.

DieeDiee:
Then your comprehension skills are seriously lacking...

Rather your comprehension skill is serious lacking.

DieeDiee:
Hiiiiii... It's addressing your comment!

That doesn't address my comment either.

DieeDiee:
What is Godly about death? That people can sense their death is no proof. Twice I've had personal experiences. Something once happened to me and I could sense I'm dying but I fought back because I didn't want to die. Another time I went into a coma. That day when I woke up I knew something was going to happen and even when I was in my coma I knew I was going to wake up and I did. I was perfectly health with no brain injury even though I had hit my head hard. When I'm about to have my periods I know a full week ahead and I can even predict them right down to the hour. Trust me there's nothing Godly about that it just means I'm in tune with my body and myself.

Obviously you don't unerstand my point.

DieeDiee:
There is every reason to doubt God. That there is no proof of God's existence is reason enough. Tell me is there a Santa Clause? He supposedly knows what's happening all over the world and knows who's been good and who's been naughty...and christmas must have a cause...oh let us not forget Cupid who can see into our hearts. According to you that no one has seen them doesn't matter as long as you have faith.

Hellooooo.....this does not address the OP. Stop digressing plsss....

I can see how atheists are running helter skelter like cockroach that has been sprayed with insecticide.

The OP is so clear and exposes your no-God self deceit. You people are just deceiving yourselves.

DieeDiee:
This one is for all believers no matter which God you worship. It's 2015 people, a new year let's all include one resolution in our list/s of resolutions - that if you have nothing worthwhile to add you shall refrain from displaying your minuscule, child-like mind and try to act like an intelligent and mature adult by refraining from adding stupid comments, empty posts and/or full stops or from insulting and name calling. To all them ever holy christians I know you love to show off your cursing skills but please no curses today and yes I know I'm already going to hell for my question so thank you no need to inform me. Now those who want to answer please tell me why you believe God exists, please do not quote me scriptures or what pastor so-and-so said. I'm interested in knowing if you have concrete proof e.g. you saw angel come down or something happened... Something concrete please, not blind faith else we might as well as believe in aliens and mermaids.

Bible remains my solid base. I also have a lot of examples to give you outside the bible as you requested but no time to write them down.

Let me say this- if you ve witnessed some people's death, the mystery that surrounds their actions and words before their death you will understand that life doesn't end here and that God is, for sure, very real. No time to write down the ones I ve witnessed.

johnydon22:
i am not deceiving myself you are just the one who dont want to accept the fact and live ur life well. . . we only have this life now and we dont know if their is after life or not. dont let this life waste in ur vain vanity of chasing after life. live this life for ur own good, the good of everybody and the world at large... You have one life which is real now, wanting for more is selfishness.

. Now this got me laughing. I wonder what you mean by living my life well when I'm already living a comfortable life by the grace of God, helping the poor(not trying to blow my trumpet though) and affording the good things of life. Will be going in for my PHD in no distant time by God's grace. Above all these, I have the assurance of eternal glory with Jesus my saviour. Life's good(LG) in Christ Jesus.

Being a born again has never stopped me or anybody from living a ggod life or enjoying the good things of life except those who wants to blame their poverty on born again.

johnydon22:
So because religion promise life after death even when their is none...

You are just deceiving yourself. I pray you realize this before the day you will exit this world.