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lastmessenger:
But in recent weeks i have been left dumfounded by some of your posts, stating your believe on hell fire and eternal condemnation, the virgin birth and the authenticity of the word of the word of God as recorded in the bible.

First let me start my questions from the your belief on hell fire.You sincerely believe that hell is a fabricated concept that was smuggled to keep some people in check. well my question is,if there no hell and eternal condemnation, what punishment should be melted out to those who sin and continually sin against God? what is the reward for the iniquity of those who died as enemies of the true GOD?
If the virgin birth is wrong, who is the biological father of Christ ? How can a lie be accepted as truth by billions of people for over 2 thousand years? why do you think GOD himself have not intervened to stop the further spread of these lies? Does He enjoy seeing his people being deceived?

If the major part of the bible is fabricated, what then should somebody believe in? where is the truth found? Is it in those other books that you have been reading?

finally you seem very critical of the present church system but in all your criticisms, you are yet to proffer solutions. what is the solution to the "rot" yous see in the church system? you said that you are not a christian, then i want to ask that if you are not a christian then what are you? why not leave the christians to do their things and continue with what you believe?

frosbel:
Now this is the typical Nigerian Christian I came to reject as having anything to do with Christ. This type is obnoxious, self-righteous,ignorant and behaving like his father the devil . How can any one truly know Jesus through this sort of person.

mctowel01:
stop judging him. He is definitely not stupid to go around talking all these, considering where he is. coming from. I once called him a hypocrite, and almost dedicated a thread for him, so I know what I am saying.

mctowel01:
You know how atheists choose to irrevocably deny every presented evidence(though some may be untrue fabrications) I did that, then you know that period of jumping from article to researchs of different scientists et al. I. did all that too. I once stopped one day and told myself;why will I have to read up a writeup to conclude that a God/deity exists? If one exists,it sure doesn't need me to go searching the internet for proof. What about those who are not privileged to ascess it? Then I wondered, why I was thinking, why I was existing, How thoughts are formed, why/how do I see, why/how do I hear. These are for a purpose; to see whats around us, to hear sounds around, to know what our surroundings feel like, to smell the odour of our surroundings. I studied engineering, so I saw different applications of its concepts like the powerful feedback in the neurosystem, the controlled way of breathing and in one tiny organic matter cqlled a brain, I can think, discern feelings and all. Its safe to be at ease with my sanity and conclude that this world is much more than we physical beings. The male and female reproductive organs can't be the only 2 major basic organs for no reason. Everything is well calculated that you need a sperm at the heat of the moment to go with an egg for fertilization. Its for a purpose; reproduction. Its why we are alive. How do you love? why is there naturally a mother child love? why do most people naturally want to settle with a family? Looking at it from a wider scale, its simply for progress and growth. Its the reason why we are alive today, and we come from a chain of ancestors spanning centuries ago.
The presence ofabstract qualities completely describes all these. We know whats good and bad, we feel happy, sad, joyful, hateful, distressed, anxious,...... where are these processed from, the brain that just magically and unconsciously assembled itself and decide to position itself in the head? Let me stop here. It cant get more obvious than this

frosbel:
Turning me into atheism

Let me rephrase so that your brainwashed self may just get it. This ain't got nothing to do with me but the countless youngsters who meet ediots like you
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frosbel:
What we need is intelligent people who with a sense of maturity and meekness can educate and guide those who are not certain about issues of the faith. This is certainly way out of your league so you won't get it.

frosbel:
As for me, like the educated gentleman said, I am a believer in God but not the Pagan deity you worship which has 3 persons in one ( whatever that rubbish means ) , had a Virgin birth ( yeah right ) , and will torture everyone who refuses to believe in his son.
Do you get it now ?

frosbel:
With people like you parading as children of God , the devil can go on holiday while you do his work of turning more believers into atheists .

mctowel01:
just that no one knows my old moniker. I was once a strong atheist and now a deist.
Frosbel was a strong "christian" and now turning into deist. I guess everyone is beginning to see sense in why deepsight was always what he was; a deist embracing the true sense of morality from the teachings of Jesus. Same with me. I dont think I will ever leave this position.

mctowel01:
haba, why take it too far?

frosbel:
^^

To Hell with your useless religion. A religion of the head and not the heart.

frosbel:
^^

Thank you, if my life is in shambles because I have rejected your foolishness and worship of a pagan god, then super duper , no qualms pal.

Your Baba says that you will be overtaken by a surprise in 2015, haha.

Enjoy your holiday.

frosbel:
Yes my life is in 'shambles'.

This is how bad my life is ;

-Great Job and career
-Good Health
-Wonderful Family
-Money in the Bank.


I thank God for his mercies ooooooo

And all this was achieved without paying tithes, offerings or kissing the feet of your MOG, lol.

OLAADEGBU:
Did the Bible say that the sons of men were 450 feet tall?

dolphinheart:
So we see, from the bible , the word of
God , that elijah or enoch did not ascend
to the dwelling place God.

musKeeto:
Daddy Kun

PastorKun:
Where is my can of insecticide?

musKeeto:
Check your anti-tithe offering bag.

johnydon22:
No not only him, we shouldnt wait around for him to do the research and bring his findings cus u and i know we will still disagree with his findings.. why not all of us put our beliefs aside and go into our own truth research instead of just believing it like our parents taught us, then we can compare and contrast our findings. let us seek the truth ourselves.

johnydon22:
hehehehehehe answer is "Because his parents told him and showed him in the bible"

frosbel:
What makes one foolish is not the lack of correct theology, it is the unwillingness to find out if what you hold as truth is actual truth. Not to prove all things makes one a willing participant in ignorance and if the ignorant is in a place of leadership he/she will end up producing more ignoramuses.

Try and study bro, enough with this religion fanaticism.

Paul is giving you some advice, take it :

"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good" - 1 Thessalonians 5:21

frosbel:
I am still studying.....

frosbel:
Thanks for this plain scientific explanation.

Sometimes I wonder why God gave us a brain and then asked us not to use it to understand him, what !!!!

Though I still believe in God, the freedom that comes from throwing away the shackles of religion is very profound indeed.

davien:
so there's a limit to asking questions when it comes to religion?...let me ask you a question,would you opt for the sweetest lie or the most horrendous truth?

PastorKun:
The fact that a man questions his beliefs does not make him an atheist. If you have never questioned your beliefs, you can't obviously know what you believe in.

frosbel:
Yes my christian boko haram persecutor

frosbel:
I want to correct some charges that have been brought against me by many religious people on this forum, suggesting that I am an atheist for debunking their myths and contradictions.

I am not an Atheist.

Of course there is God but I am sincerely beginning to doubt that he is the God of the Christian religion.

I have found out that almost 80% of what I learnt as a Christian is either an outright lie, a frabication or a heavy dose of scripture twisting.

Most of you know how fanatical I was a few years ago , fighting for the trinity , hell fire, Virgin birth etc . Well ever since I embarked on a crash course in bible history , it is only God who has prevented my faith from crashing.

No one who reads the truth will deny that there are fundamental issues with a lot of bible stories and scripture. To suggest otherwise makes one a liar and participant in the misrepresentation of God's truth.

I agree with the overall message of the bible ( for there are many truths therein ) , but I cannot agree that it is word of a God when taken as a whole. This is just plain fallacy. Yes , God through his Spirit speaks to us and agrees with the truths he has revealed without which almost everything will become suspect.

I am still learning and now reading a book titled ' The Authentic Gospel of Jesus ' by late Geza Vermes, Professor Emeritus of Jewish studies at Oxford university. He was a former catholic priest. I am also an avid reader of articles by Bart Ehrmn Professor of Religious studies at the University of North Carolina. Bart was a former Evangelical Pastor.

What I have discovered is shocking and not for the faint hearted.

To be honest , I don't know where my quest and thirst for more knowledge will take me , sometimes I am scared, but this search will continue and my results will be shared wth you my good friends and of course enemies on this forum .

In summary , I am not an atheist and can never be one , not in this life or the next.

I am now an unfundamental thinking believer of Yeshua or Jesus.

kevoh:
Keep deceiving yourself with sugarcoated atheist titles. You Sir, are about to touchdown down at the runway of atheism.

I'll be at the arrival waiting for you.

ooman:
That's how it starts.

1. Doubt the god of a particular religion.

2. Think, learn, know.

3. You are an atheist.

Simple.

chrisviral:
Because he is God and it is right to him.

chrisviral:
God created pride. It's very simple.

Youngsage:
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I didn't say pride isn't evil.
I said it earlier. Pride originated from Lucifer, now Satan. He wasn't created with it, he wasn't created with sin. He was made blameless, but he became proud because of his beauty, he wanted to rule. He wanted God's position.
Sin, or evil started as a result of Satan's pride. This pride originated from his thoughts, it came from within Him. God cannot be in the prescence of sin, so he had to cast him out into his own realm, where he could be king.

calebo101:
We know all this format. E own don finish already.

He has lost all values.

CAPTIVATOR:
"to see if I ( Paul) may attain the first resurection from the dead" phil 3:11

" if we have been united with him in the likeness of his Death , We will also be united With Him (Christ) in the LIKENESS of his RESSURECTION" ROMANS 6:5

CAPTIVATOR:
Fact