If you are looking for 1 bedroom basement in Brampton, a friend is renting hers..It is a brand new basement apartment.

With Canadian visa,just go about ur normal dat. 8 weekw is way too early to be worried. it could take up to 3 months

Neneokoye:
Hello My good people and thanks to @Hotstepper and others for the quick response. Today is exactly 8weeks I applied for my medical visa aside the response I got after the biometric stating that it’s has been accepted and is been processed, no other updates till now. I’m already 27weeks gone. What do I do pls? as I’m getting worried.

I donf think there is anybody here. why wont u want to apply for Canadian passport for the baby? Maybe call ur embassy and find out

Bluefin:
Please if


there is anyone here who is a US citizen that came from the US to have their baby? Please can you tell me how you went through the process of registration of birth of a US citizen born abroad. I am not sure if i would need to apply for a Canadian passport when going back to the US after having my baby or i should just apply for a US passport since i would be going back home to NY after delivery?

if decides to get letter from dr, scan abi ultrasound should go with the lettwr cuz the later shows the fact that ubr preggy as we know anyone can get anyone to write anything in a letter claiming anything they want.

So get the scan u did that shows ur due date nd how long etc

Candybright:

Yes, you need proof to show you are pregnant. I thought I read it here sometime when the embassy requested for POP

Medical letter? what will be the content of the letter?

sweetfunkky:
Pls house do I need any medical letter from my doctor in Nigeria as part of my application document?

It will not hurt to get both

sweetfunkky:
Hello house, please a quick question, do I need a letter of introduction from the bank and also a bank account statement at the same time for my application? Thanks.

Welcome! Good you declared as it is always the best policy.

Have a safe delivery.

Tutsy50:
Thanks for this,I declared at the Poe and off they sent me to the secondary inspection,the first officer asked if I had enough funds for my medicals and I said yes,
Tge second officer just asked if I had been to Canada before and I said yes for summer 2017,he checked my passport,asked where I would be staying and how I was going to get there,told him my brother inlaw was already outside waiting for me.He gave me back my passport and told me to have a lively evening,without even asking to cross check the funds.
Thank God I went with your advice ,contrary to what some people were telling me not to declare my intentions at Poe.
Just sharing my experience,
Thanks once again.came in yesterday.

Most of thr agents sef do not do any reading or clue of what they arw doing. Infact, if they were to apply for the same visa, theh wont get it

Ruggedly:
First of all it’s always very important for you to have an a basic idea about Canada Visa Application by reading it online which is totally free so that when your agent is telling you stories you are not confused like you are now.

Secondly 1.5 millions naira in your account is a good statement of account and there is no need trying to open an eco bank cos topping your account as far as I am concerned is illegal and you should not go that route . I got my Canadian visa with less than that amount you have.

My advice to any one applying for any visa is to go online and read because these same agents all they do is read.

I wish you luck and I hope your agent does the right thing

Happy this thread is coming alive again ...Good job ppl

Thank you for giving back.

1. u mailed passport application instead of going in person?

2. How long did it take you to apply for ETC and for you to get it back?

Njella:
In the spirit of giving back....i'll narrate my experience.
I had my baby on the 23rd of September 2019...arrived Canada 4 weeks before at 35 weeks.
First things first ,I did my visa application all by myself with guidance from this site?visa came in 8weeks(online).Bought my ticket and headed down to Scarborough,Toronto. Luckily I had a friend who lives there so accommodation was a breeze.Went to Scarborough health centre was given the fees.
Mother...2800 per day
Baby.......1650 per day
Labwork...250(125 for both mother and child)
Doctor...1500(Dr Jing Qin)
First visit 200cad subsequent visits 80cad

kindly note Scarborough health centre,rouge valley and birchmount hospital are all under Scarborough health network (shn) so they have the same prices.
The only downside being if your child stay in the NICU the fee for baby changes to about 4000cad a day instead of 1650 per day.

Then went to Humber River Hospital
Mother...2680
Baby.....825
Doctor and paediatrician...2000(Dr Ted Kosalka)
First visit 120cad subsequent visits 60cad.
Blood work...190
My scan was accepted cause I did it just before I left.

So I decided on humber river after learning about the NICU fees at Sch even though I had paid,I requested a refund.

Please note they no longer do visa on arrival for babies so I got ETC Emergency travel certificate for 100cad alongside other documents you'll submit for processing.

All fees are relative as you'll spend alittle extra here and there so don't budget based on exact amounts stated. Transportation was easy with the bus and train and ofcourse uber.

Canadian passport was as easy as Abc...just follow the site guidance and they will mail it to you...mine came In 5 days.once your baby is born you can apply for all.

Don't forget to call the airline and add babies ticket...mine was 100cad..Lufthansa air.

I believe I've covered everything. Please feel free to ask Meaningful questions I'll try my best to reply. Thankyou all.
Remain blessed!

u paid 950k to an agent that does not know anything? oh wow

Ruben225571:



I didn’t know! You know is my first time! I join this forum recently!! Please advice me on what to do! Should I ask him to stop the processing or what? Am so confused!! Even before he agreed, he charge me 950k! I have to beg him!! I am just so confused!

I doubt if any dr will want to take payment as they always want the person in the country 1st. You should focus on hospital cuz that is where people usually do not pay and leave the country and it costs alot of run these hospitals

FADEO:


Please how do we go about this letter. Does anyone know any doctor willing to accept payment. Please help.

That she has a job and family back home does not mean she wont stay from their own perspective cuz alot of people has done it. Also, how attractive is her salary? They put all these into consideration plus ofcourse depending on who is handling the application .

So, do another application as you said with and be more detailed . Good luck

geotherm:


Well i think this one is not home ties otherwise they would have stated it. She has three kids and her husband that are not coming with her. She is fully employed as an accountant -Federal job. She added leave letter. The reasons they gave is purpose of visit and travel history.

After much thought i think we didn't do justice with purpose of travel.

1. No itenery submitted or flight booking made
2. The only reason we gave was to visit for Christmas.
3. My brothers graduation is coming next April, i think she can use that as purpose of visit and this time we will be more specific by including itenery.
4. I thought I was already a guru in the house having helped many people but my inbility to help my sister is a humbling experience.
5. I appreciate this forum, it makes me more current on documents to submit.
6. I am waiting for her GCMS before looking for next step.
7. Her job and family are waiting for her so she has no reason to stay behind after visit, and I will
strongly oppose such attempt because it is not the right way at all.

Thanks again Nairalanders for your relentless support and empathy.

Ok, I will look into this but these things in this paer of the world is like normal job so not cheap. If I may ask, what part of the city will u be staying? how much dis the one you have charging? how many days a week would u need the person and for how many hours? Also, what exactly will the person be doing?

Bluefin:
Please i need a live out nanny also. Hotstepper please let me know if you have any contacts or companies that outsource this. Found a night nurse agency but i did not make up my mind to go with them yet since i think i can get something cheaper. Someone on a contract basis from March 5- May 15th. Please anyone that knows anyone can help

CONGRATATIONS! you will be fine at POE cuz u have ur funds, dr details nd where u will be staying .

As for Nanny, for how long, live in or live out and when?

newmomof2:
hello all.

Thank you for all the information on this thread.

I got my visa before I got pregnant on tourism.

I have sent email to the embassy on change of intent to both tourism and birthing (no response yet).

I intend to have USD10 000 on me at POE

I have booked reservatiom on airbnb and part payment for my 12weeks planned stay in Canada.

I intend to use Dr. Ted at Humber river hospital in Toronto

I am apprehensive about POE.

Is there anything else i shld plan or carry along for smoother POE.

Also, can anyone advise of details of nanny or omugwo services that I can use. because after CS and taking the trip alone, i would need some help.

Thanks.

I do not think anybody knows as nobosy has come to say but I wouls think it will be till the expiration of one's passport.

Miriam88:
pls do you know how long medical visa stays!! and info on that?

you cannot be preggy and not think of declaring it. You should apply for a medical visa

Smartest22:
Hello, Please I'm 2months pregnant and applying for a visitors Visa to Canada. Should I declare my pregnancy? Will I be refused a Visa on account of the pregnancy? I have travel history (UK, Europe). Thanks

This is why Canadian system is more secured. If you have a baby as a visitor, you only get BC and passport.. you do not get SIN or Health care for the baby until the baby is a resident so we do not see this kind of cases.

This is because for you to apply for them, you will need

1. Utility bill in your name
2. Debit card bank statement
3. The previous years tax return

Bluefin:
People that file taxes for children born as a result of birth tourism and people who file taxes using the SSN of children who are not theirs are in the same category- Criminals (As defined by the IRS. If you dont pay taxes you should NOT File taxes). As far as i am concerned i think that it is unfair for you to obtain a visit visa, have your baby with discounts and on top of that you are trying to claim benefits for that child. It is bizzare.

1) you have never added to the US economy
2) you do not pay taxes.

This things is considered tax fraud and people go to jail for it. Like federal prison. you can google this if you like

It is all so annoying that within 2 years a person who does this has already recovered the travel and hospital expense used to birth the baby in the first place. Can we all now see why Visas are being rejected? Is Donald Trump not justified? Is the VO who is working hard in Nigeria and paying taxes in the US not justified when he refuses a visa to someone that will go and enjoy his tax money by the reason of birth Tourism.

Birth Tourism is not a bad thing. People can do what they like. But they should wait till child is 18, adds to the economy before trying to benefit from the government themselves. I feel sorry for people that are doing this. When that child eventually turns 18 they will explain why they received several years of tax benefits for someone who they are now just filing residency for. DO NOT APPLY FOR A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD UNTIL YOUR CHILD IS READY TO MOVE BACK TO THE US. You expose these children to identify theft also.

My point from day one...they r all here, reading and gathering information

OmoBendel24:


You invariably shouldn’t be looking at Brampton if you are putting up at your Sister’s for this “Missionary Journey “. Can’t remember now, I think I read of one in Scarborough here. Check around that area of the GTA.

Meanwhile, lemme remind all that not all asking for hospital details are actually preggies planning to birth in Canada. Some are agents, they need the info free/cheap to milk clients without doing deep research as we are wont to advocate here. That was how they almost ruined the US Birthing thread a couple of years ago....

No I do not and since you have a sister here, get her to help you ( u have advantage here) esp the hopsital in her city nd close by.

Someone mentioned about McKenzie Health which is close to your sis but I do not know if they accept payment before arrival and i think their deposite ia 7500

Judzygal:
I don't think I will be using Dr Ayodele as it is now, cos I've put a call across to them and was told they can't accept payment before my first visit..

I am searching for another Doctor/Hospital that can accept deposit or full payment before I arrive.

Do you know any?

Oh wow...u were going to travel all the way from Markham to Brampton? That's such a long distance

Judzygal:
Markham Ontario

you will be surprised what people do. Come in, take refund and move on to the next

Lankesolanke:
Of course,why will anyone pay and not use the hospital..

Ontario is a state like Rivers State so what city in Ontario?

Judzygal:


Ontario

Where does she live?



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And I will assume it is important one use the hopsital you pay for not just for visa purposes cuz as it is we do not know the future if they will be looking into that

Lankesolanke:
Send me a mail
So I can send the hospital name to you .some of them require a down payment.paying ahead increases once chances of getting the visa tho..

Sorry to hear this..I think alot of things are changing mainly cuz it cost these hospitals alot of money to keep it running plus knowing that one will not be held at the hospital but payment is not made. I guess alot of people come and not pay cuz of lies ppl tell on IG.

Also,note that Dr Ayodele and the Brampton civic does not take International patients and some other hospitals. Drs and Hospitals in most caes, do not want anything to do with visa processings ,thus why they rather u be in the country before they attend to you.

Do you have family or friend in Canada?

Judzygal:
I applied for tourists visa and I indicated giving birth as my purpose..
I am using doctor ayoDele, and he doesn't give email correspondence. Tho I wrote his details in my loe incase they wanna get confirmation...
I fixed 5million and attached the certificate and also my husband's account statement and mine... And I stated in my loe that the fixed money is specifically for the trip...
I paid for health insurance in case of emergency outside birthing ....
Today, I received this mail and I honestly don't understand..



This refers to your application for a Canadian temporary resident visa.



In order to continue with the processing of your application:



· You are required to provide proof from a competent Canadian Health Authority that formal arrangements have been made to provide payment for health services related to the birth. A letter from a family doctor will not suffice, we are requesting official documents certified by a Regional Health Authority and hospital administration that formal payment arrangements have been made.



This information should be received by email before November 16, 2019.



Failure to do so may result in a refusal of your application.

It is because generally they do not want to be involved in any apllication thus why they will rather attend to you wen u r in the country.

Also, when you do find one that will book an appt, do not except a written correspondence as it will not happen so you will now have to figure out how to include the information your application and hope for the best

Ttosyn12:
Hello everyone, please I need help... I have been contacting different hospitals and doctors just to get correspondence and book an appointment with the doctor. The doctors office wouldn’t book me for an appointment. They are all insisting I have to be in the country. Hospitals wouldn’t allow payment or give me an account number so I can make payment until I bring a pre registration form given by the doctor. Please guys I need advice on how to move on. I need something to add to my visa application... Looking at hospitals in Ontario generally. Please I need suggestions on hospitals and doctors that can readily book me for an appointment.

Have u applied yet?

Otokini01:
So can someone just call and they will be attended to? Plus is it compulsory I go to the place I initially said in my applicationi was going to or I can just change? Cos I cant seem to find any doctor over there.

The drs info is there...Dr Ko
google his name to get his no

Mummy4life1:
Congratulations ma'am. Can I have the doctors details

Thank you so much for taking your time to write this. Wishing you both a safe delivery .
NB: Baby is not entitled to SIN and Health Card until whenever he/she comes bk for live.

Dsquare2017:
Caution: very, very, very, long post alert!!!!
Good day everyone in the house. I’ve been a silent reader, but I have greatly benefited from this thread and decided to give feedback on my journey so far. Thanks to the likes of Hotstepper, candybright, omobendel, and others (abeg forgive me if I no mention you, you are still acknowledged, please chop your accolade!) who were there to give kind guidance all the way. So, I would talk about my experience in stages. I know it’s very detailed but then I’m trying to cover whatever question you may have to ask me. For those who are not patient to read it all, here are the highlights so far:
• Visa Application was online. Applied in September and approved in December 2018. Application was done before my wife was pregnant, so it was tourism visa.
• Accommodation was in an Airbnb for 10 weeks
• Hospital selected was Humber River Hospital
• Doctor spoken with was Doctor Ted Kosalka (didn’t require any referral)
• Point of Entry was quite easy though carried around to several desks. No unusual question or suspicion.
• Fees (these are the ones I have gotten so far) are as follows:
o Doctor’s fee: 2500 (both vaginal and CS)
o Pediatrician fee: 500 (both doctor and pediatrician fee paid at doctor’s office)
o Epidural: Doctor wasn’t too sure but said it’s about 1000 and will be paid on the day of delivery if required
o Hospital stay per night 3505 (mother and baby)
o Laboratory: 95(blood work) and 28(urine analysis)
o Ultrasound: 82
o Total: 7710 (Paid 6710 so far. Delivery day will determine the epidural cost)
Now to the details in stages.
Visa Application:
The VFS office Abuja was the Visa application center we used for the visa application. We applied for the visitor’s visa online on September 12, 2018. We initially intended to use it solely for tourism. Biometrics was requested for my wife in September 13, 2018 (I had already had my biometrics done in 2014 when I got my first Canadian visa). Passports were requested in November 19, 2018 and visas were issued in December 19, 2018 in London, England. Validity was till 2022 (around the time our passport was to expire). We intended to use visa for tourism in July 2019. However, my wife took-in in February 2019. Plans had to change since it did not make sense for use to arrive in Canada in July with a 5 months pregnancy and attempt to convince the border officer that we are not there for birth. That was how we decided that our baby would be born in Canada. Now I had no idea about what needs to be done for this to happen. So, I decided to make research and ask question. I was initially looking for an agent to help me do all of it. However, after I asked a colleague who had his children in USA how he did it, he directed me to nairaland, and then I realized that I don’t need an agent for this. That was how my search for this thread started. I was so anxious that I wanted to immediately ask all my questions at once. However, I noticed that those who asked were directed to read the thread from the beginning. So, I did the same. I didn’t really read it word for word but took note of experiences that relates to my situation. I saved several of those experiences which were helpful. And it’s true, most of the questions people ask here, have already been answered in previous posts, so for the newcomers, please read the thread from the beginning. Finally, my advice on visa application is to apply before you are pregnant so that you can apply as a tourist. The visa can last for as long as 10 years depending on the expiry date of your passport. So, don’t wait till you are pregnant to apply, just apply for it and get it. You are not required to make the journey after being issued the visa, so you can keep it till you are pregnant
Travel Preparation:
So, with the information I had gathered from the thread, I started making travel arrangement. For accommodation, first, neither my wife nor I have family or close friends to live with in Canada. Second, we actually needed an entire place to ourselves for the advantage of privacy and to be able to bring in visitors if necessary. Third, I needed to find a hospital first before making a final decision on accommodation, so as to make access to hospital facilities easier. So, I was on the internet every now and then looking for hospital and finding doctors. Over 90% of doctors phones go on voicemail and even when voicemails are dropped they don’t call back. However, I managed to get the cost of hospital fees for some hospitals such as St. Michael, Scarborough general, Humber River, and Lakeridge hospital. But getting doctors was the most difficult task. Eventually though I was able to get Dr. Ted Kosalka at Humber River Hospital. I spoke directly with him after his secretary handed me over to him, and he told me to expect to spend between 7000 and 8000CAD for my delivery. He also mentioned that doctor’s fee is 2000CAD for vaginal delivery and 2500CAD for CS. That money will be paid on the second visit. First antenatal visit is 120CAD and subsequent visit is 60CAD. Pediatrician fee is 500CAD and lab test is between 100 – 170CAD. I told him that I don’t have a referral from a family doctor, and he said there was no need for me to get referral. The hospital itself mentioned that hospital stay is 3505CAD per night (2680CAD for mother and 825CAD for baby) I made an oral appointment with the secretary for my wife’s first visit.
With Hospital and Doctor secured, it was time to book accommodation. I was already in discussion with a Nigerian who lives in Whitby, Ontario - one Mr. Folorunso (whom I found his contact on this thread) for accommodation. He had an entire basement that he rents at a very good price. Lakeridge hospital is also very close to his house. However, while Lakeridge hospital’s prices per night was reasonable, I was unable to get any doctor from Lakeridge hospital to answer my calls and the hospital itself said I have to get a referral. Though I would have loved to stay in the man’s house since he’s Nigerian and would understand things from a Nigerian point of view, I had to turn down the accommodation since the place was a little far from Humber river hospital which I eventually decided to use. So, I was back in search for accommodation. I finally got an Airbnb for 70 nights (10 weeks) in York, Ontario which was only about 10 mins drive to the doctor’s office, and about 15mins drive to the hospital. I also got return flight tickets booked as well.
Point of Entry:
Ok so I was a little scared of what will happen at POE because my purpose of visa application was only tourism. So I sent a mail to the Canadian High commission in Abuja in April 2019 to inform them of the change of intent…………… no reply. That got me even scarier. I then figured out that since the visas were issued in London, England, I would send the London office the mail. So I did. Unfortunately, I received an automatic reply that they don’t attend to visas inquiry. So I gave up, but printed the letter I mailed to them as evidence that I did not keep my intention hidden. As God would have it, I received a response one week later from the Canadian High commission in Lagos as a reply to the one I sent to London office. They confirmed that the visas were issued to me and my wife and that I only have to prove to the border officer that I have enough funds to cover the cost of delivery. The joy of that alone was more than the joy of getting visa approval. I immediately printed the letter as evidence.
We took the flight to Toronto, through Frankfurt Germany. Come and see where village people wan follow person cross border..lol. While boarding the flight from Frankfurt to Toronto, an African officer(his accent was not Nigerian though. Seems like he’s from some other African country) who was making checks on passports and boarding passes immediately started questioning us as if we are already at Canadian immigration and he is a CBSA. What’s your purpose of travelling to Canada? (Tourism and birth) Do you have 10000 dollars?(yes) Have you paid for your hospital fees and doctor’s fees already? Where are the receipts? (I have not paid because when I called the doctor….) No no no doctor is a private person, I need to see what you have paid to the hospital, the hospital is what is for the government. (Sir, I also called the hospital and I was told that I have to be in the country first….) No no no sir, that’s not how it works. The procedure is that you have to pay before you get there. Just stand here sir. I have to call the CBSA for you. (Okay, I’ll wait here)
Chaiiii, black man! Black man! Who do us this kain thing? So tey you wan pour sand for your own brother garri? Well after keeping us standing for about 20 mins, he came and showed us pictures of our passport and visa he has taken and that he spoke to the CBSA and that though the procedure is that we have to make payment first, he was able to convince them to let us board the flight. (For my mind I said this one now wan form say he speak on our behalf. Instead of him to acknowledge say he don fall hand and find out the correct procedure, he wan use African sense.) Anyway I thank God say God pass them
So we took the flight and arrived in Toronto International Airport. As soon as we got of the airplane door, some officers were there checking passport. They asked us what’s our purpose of coming to Canada, and we told them we came for tourism and to give birth. He directed us to another of his colleague who asked that we produce two forms of ID. I gave her passport and Nigerian driver’s license. She looked through and asked when the due date is. We told her and then she asked about the food items we were carrying. Then she let us go. We got to immigration and a lady there asked us what’s our purpose of coming to Canada. We told her same thing and she asked for the due date and how much we have on hand. (she didn’t ask to see though). She then directed us to another queue to see another immigration officer.
We eventually met an old man who is CBSA. He asked us our purpose of coming to Canada. We told him the same thing and he asked when is the due date, which hospital we were using, our doctor’s name, if we were on insurance or are cash patients, an estimate how much we have (he didn’t asked to see though), what my occupation is as well as that of my wife, when we planned to leave Canada, and other questions I can’t remember. He then asked if we were sure to leave on date of departure. We said we hope so. Then he added 11 more days to it as our maximum date of departure on the stamp. He gave my wife a document that she should hold on to it, as it would be required when we return. The document contained details that shows that we were not just there for tourism but to also give birth. The name of the doctor and hospital was there in the document. He also advised us to try to apply for the baby’s birth certificate and social insurance number (SIN) before we leave Canada. He told us to be sure it’s the right form we fill for it otherwise it can create problems for us. Generally, the man was extra nice. And that’s it – we were in!

Hospital/Doctor’s Bills
Got to Doctor Ted Kosalka’s Office (we had booked an appointment over the phone back in Nigeria). Front desk lady was quite nice and welcoming and asked if it was first time. Told us first visit is 120CAD and subsequent visit is 60CAD. Paid for the first visit(they accept cash only) and waited to see the doctor. Doctor outlined all bills required. Said Doctor’s fee is 2500CAD (both for vaginal or caesarean section. He said it’s best we pay full so that they wouldn’t have to ask for more money in case it turns out to be a CS). Pediatrician fee is 500CAD. Hospital fee is 3505CAD both for mother(2680CAD) and baby(825CAD) per day. If needed, Epidural fee or other pain management fee can be paid. He wasn’t too sure of Epidural fee but said it’s around 1000CAD. He said Doctor and Pediatrician’s fee is paid there in his office in cash (3000CAD). Hospital fees are paid at the hospital (Humber River Hospital) at the cashier’s office. Then we should go to the 4th floor at Humber River Hospital where the birthing unit is and see those at the registration for further information of what we need to bring along for birthing. He said hospital fees has to be paid well in advance and if possible, we should pay it that day. Also, doctor’s fees can be paid that day, but if not, we can pay it on our next appointment in two weeks. After checking my wife vital signs and doing a scan with a mini scanning machine, he confirmed baby’s ok, but we still need to do a full ultrasound. He gave us referral to laboratory and ultrasound which were in the same building as his office. Laboratory was for blood work (95CAD) and Urine analysis (28CAD). Lab accepted card payment. Ultrasound accepted only cash payment (82CAD).
Then we went to the hospital to make payments. Went first to the 4th floor and the lady at the reception said we were supposed to call first and book an appointment since she doesn’t normally attend to walk-ins. Any way she said we were already here and gave us two forms to fill at home which were basically birth preferences and a pre-operative anesthetic questionnaire. She said we should be sure to bring both forms on the day of delivery and then directed us to the ground floor where the cashier’s office is. We got there and made payment for the first 24hrs of stay for both mother and baby. Got all my receipt and kept them.
So, this has been my journey so far. I would update you guys when the rest of it is over. And I am confident that the God that saw us through the process up until this moment, we see us through to the end.

The drs info is there...Dr Ko

Mamakene:
Congratulations ma’am. Can I have doctor and hospital details please. Thank you.

It will my dear. Unfortunately I do not have dr there and people who got there, ended up in Ontario cuz of the cost

Laurieuc:


Nawa ooo...this is looking like a " to your tent O Isreal situation" well i remain hopeful that everything will work out well...