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then this is a Newfoundland dog, the dog that was used to get the Russian show type Caucasian.
mere looking at it's face and head you can tell it's responsible for the "big head" thick hairy Caucasians we see being sold everywhere

also the different strains have different temperaments sometimes

these ones are just to show that not all Caucasian strains are big or even have black masks or thick fur.
their are even more variations I can post, the breed is very diverse and it doesn't just have one look.
if you do a thorough research on them you'll see some that you won't even call purebred Caucasians if you see them but they are purebred just different from what we're used to

I brought some pics to better illustrate my point
1st pic is the early depiction of the Caucasian Shepherd notice how the breed changed over the years? years of selective breeding and cross breeding has turned it into the bear dog we know now
2nd pic is a Caucasian Shepherd with Georgian Shepherd genes, notice the colours?
3rd is the Caucasian Shepherd with Armenian gampr genes
3rd is the Russian show type we see the most, the one with Newfoundland dog in it's genes

phunkypalace:
You might be right about differences in coat and the fact that temperature does not determine genetics. But what I'm surprised at is where you got the Showline and Working line thing in Caucasian from....where did you get that from?

I read all your previous posts on the types and non actually made a clarification on this Showline and Working line thing in a Caucasian. I'm very surprised because I know experts and breeders in the Caucasian world and I have never heard this your claim from anyone of them, not even from Irina in Russia. You might need to convince us the more...

tbh a lot of Caucasian Shepherd breeders won't also tell you that there are a lot of variants of the breed.
they usually grade purity of the dogs bases on appearance, the Russian show type is the most popular variant of the breed and it is the most exported,that is the type a lot of breeders bring into the continent.
that doesn't mean that any Caucasian that isn't long coat,very thick and huge is impure, the Russian show type has traces of Newfoundland dog in it which is what gives it that appearance.
some have traces of Georgian Shepherd which adds pathes of colors on their fur,some have traces of the Armenian gampr in them and they are usually short coat with fawn coloured fur, some have traces of Yugoslavian Shepherd in them which makes their features less defined and their size smaller.
during importation the Russian show type is picked because it's the most attractive not because it's how all Caucasians are supposed to look.
even in Russia you will see so many types of Caucasian Shepherds with different structures and colours, it's here that we see pure bred dogs all having the same bear like look because that's what people consider attractive and that's what sells the most.
and yes the Russian show type has working and show line types
the breed has a very complex history and breeding history, it's not just something you can pick one and say this is how a Caucasian dog should look.
even a simple google search alone will show you different looking dogs all answering the same name.
they can be black,brown,reddish brown, white,yellow, fawn, brindle,pie-bald e.t.c
I added a screenshot of a segment of an article on the Russian show type variant to show you the working and show line types

he's great

this is what AKC says about it

frowland:
I don't have time reading all this. You can try harder.

so you admit the truth is in your face but you don't have strength to read it?
and what do you mean I should try harder?, I've even brought picture slides to defend my statement what have you done?
it's very clear for whoever wants to read to read

IamAnderson:
these are the popular variants of the Caucasian dog
Armenian Caucasian shepherd dogs come in two varieties, being either longhaired and very large, or slightly smaller with a medium length coat in a wolf grey colour.

Georgian variants are very tall and heavy with the breed’s signature huge head, and come in a short haired variety, known as the Kazbek type, and a long haired variety too.

The Daghestsan variant has short, multi-coloured fur, and is tall, athletic and active.

Turkish Caucasian shepherd dogs are in themselves divided into four types: Gorban, Circassian, Kars and Georgian Akhaltsikhe.

The Gorban variant consists of crossing of the Kars type with the Kangal, and other crossings of the Turkish variants with the Georgian and Armenian strains.

The Akhaltsihnske, native to Georgia, was developed by crossing Gorbans with a Georgian variant, to produce a more lightweight dog than most of the other Caucasian shepherds with a single coloured coat in either white, grey or fawn.

The Circassian variant was produced by crossing the Cherkes dog with the Kangal dog, after the Cherkes was first brought to Turkey in the years following the Russian-Circassian wars.

The Kars dog is today regarded as a separate breed in its own right, and no longer as a Caucasian shepherd dog variant.

The Kabardino-Balkarian region possesses a dog known as the Astrakhan type, which is widely thought to consist of a mixed crossing of the Caucasian shepherd, Georgian mountain dog and Circassian.

The Volkodav dog is smaller than either the Georgian or Armenian strains, and can be either long haired (the mountain dog) or short haired (the steppe dog) with a black mask.

Another dog that originated with the Caucasian shepherd dog is the Iranian Sage Ghafghazi, produced from crossing the Kars with other dogs of the region, and this dog is classed as an Iranian Caucasian dog.

One rather unusual Caucasian dog is the North Caucasian Volkodov, which is currently attempting to gain recognition as a separate breed in its own right

the most common type is the Russian show type which is divided into the working type and the show type. that's the type that a lot of Nigerian breeders pick because of their appearance, they have genes of the Newfoundland dog inside them so they have large heads and fuller lips

did you read this one too frowland?
you can clearly see the variants and their fur length stated, temperature cannot change genetics.
they all come from the same area but have different looks and fur length.
not all Caucasians are long coat, even in the snow

frowland:
So what is the difference between those pictures you spool out of google? Did you border to ask the respective owners go give you periodic pictures of their dog all year round?
That dog with fur, if you bring it to southern Nigeria without adequate cooling arrangement and good nutrition will definitely not grow long and tick fur. All this your long epistle does not deviate from fact.

what do you mean what's the difference between the picures I posted? are you even reading what I typed at all?
the second comment I posted is from a family of short coat shepherds pictured at different weathers you can inspect the coats there too

i don't even understand your second sentence

and my long epistle if you actually read it showed that temperature cannot change a dog's genetics.
I've seen imported long coat shepherds that still remained long coat even with the heat, even in the coldest places, short coat dogs exist

this is kira akuma and her brother Ozzy, they are both Caucasian shepherds and they come from a bloodline of short coat shepherds, the last dog is there father Osaka.
watch the fur lenght as the weather changes and see if they miraculously became long coat because it snowed

frowland:
I don't know how you spool out all this your information but I can assure you that you are completely wrong on this one. I monitor your posts and how you comment and in some cases sound like all-knowing but on this particular issue, you are wrong.
It is a fact that animals grow fur during winter and shed during summer/spring to enable them regulate body temperature and Cucs are no different. Feed a cucs well and keep him cool all year round and you see the fur come our majestically.

so you're trying to say there's no such thing as short coat and long coat that it all depends on temperature?
okay then tell us why naturally short coat dogs like mastiffs and rotts don't miraculously grow long fur even in a snowy climate?
1st pic is a short coat Caucasian shepherd in a snowy climate
2nd pic is a long coat Caucasian shepherd in the same snowy climate
3rd pic is a long coat Caucasian shepherd from pet love kennel in Nigeria, did the fur disappear or still remain long coat?
why didn't the short coat Caucasian in the first pic grow fur like the long coat even in the same climate?
why didn't the long coat Caucasian turn to a short coat even as it was bred in Nigeria?
temperature is a factor in determining coat length yes but the major thing is genetics, a dog cannot jump from long to short or vice versa because of temperature.
do you think the short coat Caucasians we have in Nigeria will miraculously become like the one's we see in Russia if it snows?
why do you think they shave Caucasians in Russia when the weather is too hot?
why not leave them to shed naturally if temperature determines the coat length?

Yeecar:
Hmm so many varieties of caucasian already, some breeders are even crossing with rotts and Gsd in Nigeria alone. thank you so much for your quick response bro!

you're welcome

Spanishmilf:
And again in a dog fight even though I'm not in support of dog fight u can't see a Caucasian in a dog fight. Who will put his bet on a Caucasian??

this statement you made now shows you don't even know what you're saying.
go and research about the breed and watch videos of them in action.
do you think people struggle to train a stubborn and hard to train breed for nothing?
why not just go for easier breeds?, why do they struggle with the Caucasian shepherd and dogs like it?

frowland:
Temperature determines the lenght of fur in animals.
The Cucs you see around temperate regions (Sub Saharan regions) have lesser fur compared to the ones you see in snowy environments for temperature regulation. It has nothing to do with working or show. Thanks.

these are the popular variants of the Caucasian dog
Armenian Caucasian shepherd dogs come in two varieties, being either longhaired and very large, or slightly smaller with a medium length coat in a wolf grey colour.

Georgian variants are very tall and heavy with the breed’s signature huge head, and come in a short haired variety, known as the Kazbek type, and a long haired variety too.

The Daghestsan variant has short, multi-coloured fur, and is tall, athletic and active.

Turkish Caucasian shepherd dogs are in themselves divided into four types: Gorban, Circassian, Kars and Georgian Akhaltsikhe.

The Gorban variant consists of crossing of the Kars type with the Kangal, and other crossings of the Turkish variants with the Georgian and Armenian strains.

The Akhaltsihnske, native to Georgia, was developed by crossing Gorbans with a Georgian variant, to produce a more lightweight dog than most of the other Caucasian shepherds with a single coloured coat in either white, grey or fawn.

The Circassian variant was produced by crossing the Cherkes dog with the Kangal dog, after the Cherkes was first brought to Turkey in the years following the Russian-Circassian wars.

The Kars dog is today regarded as a separate breed in its own right, and no longer as a Caucasian shepherd dog variant.

The Kabardino-Balkarian region possesses a dog known as the Astrakhan type, which is widely thought to consist of a mixed crossing of the Caucasian shepherd, Georgian mountain dog and Circassian.

The Volkodav dog is smaller than either the Georgian or Armenian strains, and can be either long haired (the mountain dog) or short haired (the steppe dog) with a black mask.

Another dog that originated with the Caucasian shepherd dog is the Iranian Sage Ghafghazi, produced from crossing the Kars with other dogs of the region, and this dog is classed as an Iranian Caucasian dog.

One rather unusual Caucasian dog is the North Caucasian Volkodov, which is currently attempting to gain recognition as a separate breed in its own right

the most common type is the Russian show type which is divided into the working type and the show type. that's the type that a lot of Nigerian breeders pick because of their appearance, they have genes of the Newfoundland dog inside them so they have large heads and fuller lips

frowland:
Temperature determines the lenght of fur in animals.
The Cucs you see around temperate regions (Sub Saharan regions) have lesser fur compared to the ones you see in snowy environments for temperature regulation. It has nothing to do with working or show. Thanks.

nah you're wrong, a short coat dog will not turn into a long coat dog because you moved it to snowy environment.
a long coat dog will not turn into a short coat dog because you moved it to hot environment.
a lot of breeds have long coat and short coat variations, temperature helps but their are actually short and long coat animals.

Spanishmilf:
Hahahahaha Imported ooh

oh and one more thing I forgot to add, the most popular variant of Caucasian that Nigerian breeders love to import is known as the Russian show type Caucasian which has two types, the show type and the working type.
this type of Caucasian usually has larger head size and fuller lips because it has genes of the Newfoundland dog inside it, the show line type has longer fur and bigger body mass while the working type has shorter fur and smaller body mass.
a lot of breeders in Nigeria breed for size so they go for the show line and sometimes cross it with working line which is why some people complain that their Caucasians aren't aggressive sometimes till adulthood, it's all because of breeding.
which is why if you've noticed, the smaller Caucasians with shorter fur are usually the ones that are more aggressive and ready to work.

Yeecar:
Thank you so very much sir.
What types of Caucasians do we have and how do we identify them?
What kind of caucasian is my dog?

these are the popular variants of the Caucasian dog
Armenian Caucasian shepherd dogs come in two varieties, being either longhaired and very large, or slightly smaller with a medium length coat in a wolf grey colour.

Georgian variants are very tall and heavy with the breed’s signature huge head, and come in a short haired variety, known as the Kazbek type, and a long haired variety too.

The Daghestsan variant has short, multi-coloured fur, and is tall, athletic and active.

Turkish Caucasian shepherd dogs are in themselves divided into four types: Gorban, Circassian, Kars and Georgian Akhaltsikhe.

The Gorban variant consists of crossing of the Kars type with the Kangal, and other crossings of the Turkish variants with the Georgian and Armenian strains.

The Akhaltsihnske, native to Georgia, was developed by crossing Gorbans with a Georgian variant, to produce a more lightweight dog than most of the other Caucasian shepherds with a single coloured coat in either white, grey or fawn.

The Circassian variant was produced by crossing the Cherkes dog with the Kangal dog, after the Cherkes was first brought to Turkey in the years following the Russian-Circassian wars.

The Kars dog is today regarded as a separate breed in its own right, and no longer as a Caucasian shepherd dog variant.

The Kabardino-Balkarian region possesses a dog known as the Astrakhan type, which is widely thought to consist of a mixed crossing of the Caucasian shepherd, Georgian mountain dog and Circassian.

The Volkodav dog is smaller than either the Georgian or Armenian strains, and can be either long haired (the mountain dog) or short haired (the steppe dog) with a black mask.

Another dog that originated with the Caucasian shepherd dog is the Iranian Sage Ghafghazi, produced from crossing the Kars with other dogs of the region, and this dog is classed as an Iranian Caucasian dog.

One rather unusual Caucasian dog is the North Caucasian Volkodov, which is currently attempting to gain recognition as a separate breed in its own right

the most common type is the Russian show type which is divided into the working type and the show type. that's the type that a lot of Nigerian breeders pick because of their appearance, they have genes of the Newfoundland dog inside them so they have large heads and fuller lips

JAccksnow:
You and IamAnderson are really doing amazing on this thread. I really do look forward to every of your post on this section, so informative.
I also want to get a female boerboel, I'll be glad if you can help recommend. This will be my first non-ekuke dog.

thank you so much

explosiveskull:
Like seriously you feel a Caucasian can kill a wolve in a fight? I don't really know what to tell you but you should read that chapter up very well. A wolf that is a wild animal that has been into so many fights to survive in the wild vs a domestic dog? Damn! Do you know there are different breeds of wolves with their different sizes? A large wolve will shred a cacausian in seconds

I don't feel, I know, it's something that has been happening for decades, research about it and you'll see videos, articles and more about it. its not even a debate, there's enough proof online.
the highest I've seen is a Caucasian named Tyson that killed 7 wolves within 2yrs, 4 alone and 3 with his mate, there's an interview that was conducted on his owner.

besides not every dog can take down a wolf which is why breeds that can attempt it can be counted with your fingers.
it's not always successful though but at least they have higher success rates, a lot of them die or get maimed sometimes

Spanishmilf:
Hahahahaha Imported ooh

which makes it even worse, how do you expect to take a dog out of it's habitat and expect it to function in this heat?
go and watch them work in their area online and you'll see the difference between that and our heat stricken untrained Nigerian Caucasians.

I find it hilarious how you guys hear the things they use the dog for and also see videos and eye witness accounts online but still underestimate them, do you see things like that written about cane corsos?, videos?
stop using caucasians in Africa to judge the breed

[quote author=Spanishmilf post=86949925][/quote]this is a more realistic corso(although I prefer them black), see how they're not as big as the one you posted?
these ones aren't even bigger than Caucasians
that's how they are in real life

Spanishmilf:
Speaking from experience because have breed and live with almost every dogs... A Caucasian stand no chance

I doubt you've bred a pure bred trained Caucasian in the right place but continue with your capping.

Spanishmilf:
I know, but I wish to have your contact and I will show 5billion reason why a corso won't defeat corso in videos and again presser and corso are from same family.... That one na long History shaa

I'm not knocking down corsos, I'm obsessed with them too, I also watch their videos, Caucasians are stronger.
corsos are no joke either

Spanishmilf:
HMmmm

I'm a huge fan of corsos, they're even my second favorite breed but I have to say the truth.
I've studied the two dogs and watched them perform in their habitat, Caucasians are bigger and stronger
you're probably judging the dogs by how mean they look

[quote author=Spanishmilf post=86949702][/quote]even if it's a corso, it's obviously enhanced, do you think you can go for a dog show with that dog?
can you find 50 corsos that look like that?, the dog doesn't even conform to the breed standard.

vincentjk:
Let's call a spade a spade bro, I so hate condemning what people have to say openly like this but a Caucasian would defeat a cane corso in a battle (I'm a lover of mastiffs but believe me you this)

Btw that picture you uploaded ain't a Corso bro, the name of that dog is cerber from carpatcan kennel in canary Ireland. One of the best stud presa canarios in the whole world currently, the only place his direct son can be found in Africa is in Egypt as a wealthy celebrity named annas had purchased him few years ago

so it's even a presa canario he posted? lmaoo
I don't know why people post pictures of enhanced one In a million dogs as a reference to how the breed is, I saw somebody using hulks picture to say that's how a pitbull is.
if you bring 5000 pitbulls bred naturally how many will look like hulk?

let's see if the one he'll import will look like the picture he posted or the regular cane corsos we see.

Vincent do you remember when I sent you dozens of Caucasian training videos from turkey and Russia? I don't know if you watched all.
where they how he's describing them now?

Spanishmilf:
Yenyen
A Caucasian that has no stamina or 100% tenacity in a fight 2min in fight dog don get tired.....
An again the pics are posted are cane corso u can go search them ON IG.
About to import one tho

what do you mean a Caucasian Shepherd doesn't have stamina or the tenacity to last in a 2 min fight?
so do you think Caucasian shepherds that work kill wolves and other wild animals in 2mins?
how many people have you seen in Nigeria with actual trained Caucasian shepherds?
how many people in Nigeria don't just leave their Caucasian shepherds in the compound, the weather alone isn't even on the dog's side.
go and watch YouTube videos of Caucasians in training or working in Russia, Turkey e.t.c and tell me they don't have stamina or tenacity to last 2mins.

and why are you using a picture you found on IG as a reference to how cane corsos look?
since when did overly edited and enhanced dogs on social media become the standard for breeds?
go and check even the breed standard and tell me that dog you posted follows it

Spanishmilf:
A Caucasian can never and won't beat a corso hands down

what makes you say so?, because you downloaded a fake picture? lmaoo
first of all, this is what a cane corso looks like not that exaggerated pic you're posting.
second of all, a Caucasian is a stronger and bigger dog than a cane corso.
it all boils down to the dogs, the difference isn't big enough to bring a hands down defeat.
don't judge dog's by how mean they look.

vincentjk:
For your 2 and ½ year old daughter?? Hmm

The best dog for her is a toy breed like lhasa apso or maltese but a Samoyed would do as well. You'll need more than that 20k on feeding a growing Caucasian for a month if you want it grow the right way

exactly what I was thinking, you can't get a Caucasian for 20k and a Caucasian isn't a dog for a 2 1/2 year old.
feeding alone can be more than 20k

wizi44:
My dog is whelping Please how do i calm my dog down so that i can be able to touch her pups, guide them to the tits to suckle and shift them after they have had their milking sessions. In summary, how do i stop my dog from being hostile to me and let me touch her pups
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Inception101 and all pls advice is very much needed asap. I take God beg una

how long ago did the dog whelp?

Yeecar:
The parents are big.

your dog's size is okay for her type, Caucasians come in different variations some grow bigger than others plus your dog is a female and females don't grow as big as males.
compare her to other Caucasians that are similar to her you'll see she isn't too small.

OPs dogs aren't the same with your's so don't use them to reference her growth.
check my thread you'll see my dog too looks different from her.
she's growing fine, as she grows older she'll bulk up more then you'll see she's okay

your dog is nice but it's not a German mastiff, you're wrong and ignorant about the breed name you're trying to paste on your puppies.
don't rudely argue something you don't know and don't attack strangers that try to correct a mistake you made.
happy sales