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and africa to accelerate development.

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This is one step to changing nigerian
and africa to accelerate development.

www.nairaland.com/1808167/how-separation-church-mosque-state

This is one step to changing nigerian and africa to accelerate development. www.nairaland.com/1808167/how-separation-church-mosque-state

kolawaxxy: It's a miracle this thread has not been tribalized

set your stopwatch to 10 minutes and come back and see for yourself.. Am a ghanaian.. But I must say this people have ambition to hustle with no sense.. Not all opportunities are opportunities

idu1: dem no get money. They are living in self denial

na u sabi.. I don't need to shouut too much

seedord247: Have you being to Ghana before.. If yes what part. Stop saying something you dont know. Religious crisis a world wide things so dark humanoid are not exempted.

what he said is true.. Am a ghanaian and I can tell u that there I nothing like that.. Even if there is tribalism..which is rampant in africa.. We have been able to successfully wield ourselves together and speak one major local language 'twi' asides english ..despite your cultural background . The only known crisis is one of a chieftain dispute et all..which is not on a massive scale and can be contained.. Those guy r just trying to find excuse .. Ghana is a peace loving country tho we don't take nonsesne. Last time I was in ghana I saw a babalwos billboard.. Some even have adverts on tv..such can't work in naija.. That's freedom!

drfk001: this is the exact thing Nigeria needs

thank u! africa ! Not just nigeria .. The religious menace is getting out of hand.. The sons and daughters on nigeria are going astray

livebullet: ...all of you here are getting irrate over this unionism issue... my question is how have we all ever used this ALUTA spirit to clamour change in our nation(outside the 4 corners of campus.)

I pray. It happens cos it will signal revolution 4 naija.. Too bad a lot of the people that could speár head such like afrika are long gone..and the children of this generation don't know there worth of freedom and careless about the activites of the society

shumax: I remember Just like yesterday even though i was just in Jss 3, especially the scenes from tv, this incidence led the various Anti cultism campaigns around many schools, thank God cultism has reached a barest minimum in our campuses now.

if I hear! Them still dey but are coded.. The ones in unilag , laspotec , unnab dey find money yahoo wise.. But its still strong in east and south south.. The stories I hear from benin , owerri,aba and warri dey trip me

In Africa,
separating religion and state presents a
very difficult challenge. Secularism is
viewed with suspicion, and sometimes
with opposition. But our constitutional
principle has hardly translated into reality
because of enormous influence of
religious establishments on politics and
governance.
Secularism is a 'paper tiger' that has
little or no bearing on practical politics in
many parts of the region. Secular
government is seen as a ideal form of
government, a western contraption.
Separating Church(Mosque) and State is
perceived as a form of political utopia
that is alien to the African notion of
government. Religion and state mix in
real African politics. Church(Mosque) and
State merge in real governance. The
reality of mixing religion and state is not
the same in countries across the region.
The situation is worse in muslim majority
states because there is lack of
appreciation of separating mosque and
state. Countries are described as islamic
republics. States are not res publica-
public property but islamic public
property. There is no distinction between
the islamic space and public space.Islam
is the state religion and sharia is the de
facto state law or the basis of the state
law.
Separating church(mosque) and state
poses a serious challenge to politicians
because democracy is a game of
numbers and votes count. No politician
wants to be seen to be anti religion.
Democracy is characterized by the rule
of the majority. The will of the people is
often motivated or swayed by religion.
Religious interests determine the fate of
politicians. So state actors pander to
religious sentiments in order to
legitimize themselves- to win elections
or maintain their hold on power.
Politicians use religion to enhance their
political ambitions despite constitutional
provisions. Politicians do- and can do it
anything to win the majority of votes
even if it means replacing secular state
laws with religious laws or making
religious sins state crimes.
In consequence, this ambiguous
relationship between church/mosque
and state has not reflected positively
and progressively on democracy and
governance in the region. Mixing religion
and state has led to conflicts, division
brainwash and discrimination. It has resulted to a
politics of exclusion, a form of religious
divide and rule. Lack of separation of
church and state has hampered the
evolution of a modern democratic Africa
because politics is not shaped by the will
of the people but purportedly by the will
of god or allah, jesus, mumhamed or better by the will of
godmen and women. Unelected priests,
Ulema, Bishops and Imams,prophets, not the
elected representatives of the people
determine the laws and policies which
states adopt. Many democracies in Africa
are de facto theocracies because
religious Africans have translated their
articles of faith in god into political
norms. The politics of the states is
determined more by what goes on in
churches and mosques than what
transpires in the parliament or state
houses.
Lack of separation of church
(mosque) and state in practical
politics has undermined the
realization of a peaceful, tolerant
and progressive society because
state laws have become religious
dogmas writ large. Presidents,
governors and lawmakers are quasi
clerics- priests, sheikhs, bishops and
imams.
One aspect of African society where the
negative impact of mixing religion and
politics is so manifest in Africa is in
tackling religious extremism particularly
islamic militancy. Many muslim majority
countries in Africa are grappling with the
problem of islamic fundamentalism. They
have recorded with limited success in
this fight due to lack of separation of
mosque and state. For instance, in
Nigeria, an islamic militant group, Boko
Haram has been waging a violent
campaign to implement a stricter version
of sharia law and enthrone an islamic
state(1). Boko Haram leverages on the
prevalence of political islam in the region
including the ongoing state
implementation of sharia law.
Due to the merging of mosque and state
by the government in this region, states
are not neutrally positioned to tackle the
problem of islamism head on because
there is some commonality between the
agenda of the sharia implementing
states and that of Boko Haram.
Disentangling state law, justice system,
policy making from Islam will better
position the African governments defeat
Boko Haram and other militants groups
fighting in Nigeria, Mali, Somalia to
enthrone an islamic state.
Another area where the negative impact
of mixing religion and politics is very
manifest is in the area human rights
protection. This has clearly been
demonstrated in the case of Meriam
Ibrahim, a christian woman who was
sentenced to death in Sudan because
she refused to renounce her christian
faith. Ms Ibrahim has reportedly been
freed from jail but the circumstances
that led to her conviction and
imprisonment in the first place require
some reflection(2). Meriam was born to a
muslim father and a christian mother.
But she was raised a christian by her
mother. The islamic court in Sudan ruled
that Meriam's profession of christianity
was apostasy and that she be put to
death.
Ms Ibrahim was pregnant at the time of
her conviction and gave birth to her
baby while shackled in prison. The
judgement was possible because sharia
law is currently in force in Sudan. Since
1983 Sudan has enforced a translation of
the patriarchal misogynistic norms of
islam that are incompatible with
universal human rights. And I ask, Why
must the paternity not the maternity of
Meriam count in her profession of
religion? Why must paternity or
maternity count at all? Is religion
inherited? If someone's father or mother
is a muslim, must the person remain a
muslim? Why the compulsion to remain a
muslim? Religious profession is a right
which every individual exercises despite
the religion of the parents. Religious
confession is not inherited from one's
father or mother. Is it? Changing one's
religion or converting to another religion
is and should be free. It should not be on
the pain of death. But it is the case in
Sudan due to lack of separation of
mosque and state, even in other african countries people discriminate for switching religions.
The secularization of Sudan will
help the country end this legalized
discrimination that makes a
caricature of its claim to protecting
human rights, especially the
freedom of religion. Disentangling
the state of Sudan and its justice
system from islam will make the
government an impartial arbiter
and guarantor of the equal rights of
all individuals in the countries.
Islam and christianity are ancient
religions with norms that are
incompatible with those of a modern
democratic state.
Separating church(mosque) and state
will enable African governments tackle
poverty and improve their economy.
Mixing religion and politics is
impoverishing African countries and
undermining their efforts to conquer
poverty and underdevelopment. Due to
lack of separation or its violation by
politicians, many poor African states
spend billions of dollars every year
sponsoring pilgrimages to the holy lands
(3), building churches and mosques(4)
and paying clerics(5). These pilgrimages
contribute to the economies of host
nations like Israel or Saudi Arabia not
those of Africans. If African governments
separate church/mosque and state,
these funds will be saved and will be
better utilized in building schools,
improving the standard of education,
creating jobs and embarking on real
developmental projects that can yeild
tangible measurable returns that could
lift millions of Africans out of poverty.
Separating church(mosque) and state
has become a most urgent and
compelling project for African peoples
and their governments in this 21st
century. So let the secularization of
Africa begin.

What's your view on this?

Syenite: Ghanaians are a disgrace to Africa. I thought some Ghana folks were insulting us with Boko Haram? Now Ghanaians have confirmed dey are experiencing religious conflicts.

DEPORT THOSE USELESS BANKU EATERS!!

I have never heard of any religious conflict in ghana.. Even ghanaians in the moslem north know nothing about this shit. Dem go hear from there

Ade345: The bible book of Revelation 20:3 tells us that Satan will be abyssed for one thousand years so that he may not be able to mislead the nation. During this period, mankind will be free from the influence of Satan and his demons. And this will be a period in which peoples faith will be put to test. We should note that the people that will be tested then, will be people that never had that opportunity to prove their faith. They will be brought back to life and will be given the opportunity to prove their loyalty to God, and this will be under the reign of Jesus and his anointed co-rulers (Revelation 20: 2&4). Such ones will be raised up from the dead and would be sane. But if they prove to be disloyal to God, they will be destroyed just like every other unfaithful humans (Psalm 37:9,10&20). However, if they prove to be faithful to God, they will enjoy all the rewards of God's promise in the Bible- that is, everlasting life and all the good things that will make life enjoyable on earth (Revelation 21:3&4, Isaiah 65:21-25, Psalms 37:29).

u got it wrong dude there are 2 resurrections the first and second .. According to the bible the first is for the saints while the second is for the. Dead.. The people that will be tested are the children of the remnant of the tribulation..so they will keep having children .. Wait a min!!! If that's true picture this senairo. U live on earth then a race just like u but u know they r different and advamce than u come and dwelll here on earth with u.. R they not aliens

God save us from religion!! Is this important for us as a people?

Seun: I was there but fast asleep, in Fajuyi hall. I stayed up late that night so I didn't wake up immediately when the shooting started. By the time I woke up, all my room-mates except one had fled. I was like, "what's up" but the other room-mate asked me to switch off the lights. We survived. The next morning, we visited the scene of the attack in Awo hall. The attackers used shotguns. They shot the door lock on one of the rooms and the pellets made a mess on the other side. We saw The bloody mattress on which their main target was shot in the head. I saw a guy from that room, I think, who was still alive but was seriously wounded, bleeding and not getting any help. I heard about a brilliant medical student who was shot for being in the wrong place during the attack. As he bled to death, he cried for a knife so he could use it to operate on himself and stop the bleeding. No one responded because they were either in the bushes or too scared to help. So he died.

constructing your words into image .. Its very sad.. Look what eduucational system has turned into. Rip to them.. I pray for full reforms cos its not over yet

dejt4u: professor Wale Omole is his name.. He is now the Pro-chancellor of Lautech

that man na bad man.. Heared his gist.. He was using the cultsist for his parols.. I wonder why he is still made vc of lautech..see as yahoo plus boys and cultist full lautech sef

[quote author=ademega when caught , they will teach him all the morals he. missed from his childhood within hours . Even when a thief is caught in OAU he will curse the day he was born let alone a suspected cultist .[/quote]hahaha !! I can imagine..am sure they will do a good job at that.. Seen them brush a cuult boy.. Me wey dem no dey beat I dey fear for my life.. If u see this hard rock boy crying and shouting “mummy!!mummy!! please!!! Please!! yesh!!”

Handcuff: JIMOH IBRAHIM is a christian, He attends WINNER'S CHAPEL .

if he like he should attend olumba olumba

Acidosis: Loll


We forget one fact here; this is AFRICA Africa is cursed. Never expect a positive change till the 2nd coming of Christ.

Did I hear Ghana, S.A? Lol. Eliminate the whites from S.A, and you will see another glorified Kano state. Complaints, Rants, Arguments, Curses, Prayers, Lectures, ; Sermons won't solve our problems; we just have to accept FATE.

HE WHO NEEDS UNDERSTANDING, LET HIM SEEK UNDERSTANDING: Our Historic disconnection from progressive development started in days of ABRAHAM, CAIN AND ABEL. This isn't the right place to pinpoint these facts as many won't listen, let alone believe.

It takes 1 man to build a continent; ever wondered who migrated to Africa?
LOL!
There is absolutely nothing we can do!

I feel like slapping uou for some sttatements u made here.. Urt type r the curse of africa..

“The bane of Nigeria/Africa's
progress is our excessive romance
with laziness fueled by too much
religion.”

Enough said

Its nice to see this beautiful african inspired interiors.. They all look stunning.. But my concern is this.. Which country do majority of these designs come from??.What are they teaching our students in the technical colleges?? , are there courses that lay emphasis on african architecture??to understand and promote and modify african architecture ?? What comes into the mind of the average man when the hear of african styled furniture and architecture.. How can we infuse the love of taste to the average man..who is mainly concerned about the roof over is head without regards to art and beauty and sophistication ..There is lack of decisive thinking and vision in africa.. In brazil, northern africa italy etc.. Looking @ their buildings and architecture I could not help but to notice the sense of identity in their architecture and interiors..even in their ghettos and favelas .. We really need to look inwards and better the things we have.. That will then show that we r learning..we need to be unique.. Moving around lagos to accra and beyond... U can hardly see inspiring architecture and landmarks with reference to african culture and style . Its very bad

I see gadaffi , abacha mobutu laughing in their graves after reading this article in the after life.. Babaginda obj and tinubu sef follow crack ribs on this article

Vacora: Please petition the UN to obtain a binding resolution to stop this German massacre.

hahaha.. When u playing germany u are left @ the mercy of the clock.. Lashing till 90mins is over

noah24: Ait mehn!..re u on bbm

yes I am.. Ur pin

slimthugchimee: dude i totally agree with you this superiority complex is just a show of shame. We should all support each other. If Nigeria is grow then lets support her. If SA is growing lets support her so as gh and other african country. At the end we are all 3rd world countries and at the eyes of a whiteman we are allthesame

u have said it!! this black man thinking will not let us reach our promise land.african countries have projects around that will turn us to the tokyo or the dubai we have been dreaming of....slow but steady..we just need to put all hands on deck and drop our religious and ethic difference , fight for the nigeria , ghana , sa and africa we want to see....I can't believe in this century we are still advocating for some of the same things slaves to freedom fighters noticed and complained about .if we as africans have been cooperating u can imagine how far we would have gone in terms of development and trade. ..just look @ the ecowas region.. Ghana and nigeria trade more with asia and european countries and less with ourselves..and some brag about it. Now the bring in EPA and everyone is vexing. The fact remains that south africa is architectural better than any country we have in our west african sub region.. But we don't need to bring the south africa blacks down.. Live and let be.. Even. Some of the whites have move on with them cos that's their only home..what more the blacks.. The blacks there have had their own misery that if it happened to us here it might have been another case,, their feat should just serve a a wake up call for us to build a powerful system and and plan the nation to be what we have envisioned.

texaco1: bros nothing special in accra ,ttell her tto visit the mountain regions of aburi ,she will love it. There is nothing at labadi and they will get bored easily . She can also visit cape coast or tajkoradi . Accra is just expensive and nothing much. What is special about accra mall or osu,I lived in osu for 2 years and in ghana for 4 years . There are many many many wonderful areas apar and outside accra

I agree with u hands down! U brought a better suggestion.. It been a while since I. Visited ghana .. But if I want to reside there ill pick between aburi and prampram.. Near the sea side. Accra is more of an urban jungle

londoner: OP, do you have any other info on Eko Atlantic please?

ur question is wwhat brought me to this thread.. Blacks and this dumbb show of superiority! Smh

I saw this article online , I found it interesting and though I should share. I am not an atheist in any way but I believe there is a lot we could pick out from this passage that we over here should stop always attributing disasters to Gods, spirits, the devil, mami water etc.. Rather we need to study this phenomenons

The common response by religious
leaders to questions of why God
allows disasters on Earth is that it is
a test. But why are there such
events everywhere?

Religious leaders have been
claiming that natural disasters on
Earth are God's, or gods',
punishment since the start of
recorded organised religion, but
that was before it was accepted
that our planet is not flat, and the
skies are not static.
However, even though we can now
see deep into the 'heavens',
religious leaders still blame Earth's
disasters on humanity's lack of
religious faith and submission to
their orders, and claim that it is God
testing us; this was emphasised
time and again all over the world in
Mark Dowd's investigation for the
television documentary, Tsunami:
Where Was God?
This article cites some recent cases
of religious leaders blaming
humanity for natural disasters,
followed by an example of religion
suppressing scientific knowledge. It
ends by using examples of 'natural
disasters' in uninhabited space to
argue that 'human morality', as
defined by religion, is not to blame
for natural disasters.
Examples of Religious Leaders
Claiming Disasters are God's
Wrath
In 2010, the eruption of the
Eyjafjallajokull volcano in Iceland
was blamed on the government's
tolerance of neo-pagans and gay
rights activists by the Association of
Russian Orthodox Experts
(news.change.org/stories/finally-
someone-blames-icelands-volcano-
on-gay-rights).
Omar Sacirbey also cited the above
example, and wrote that it had
been going on for centuries. He
also provided other examples on
the Salt Lake Tribune website
Iranian cleric Hojatoleslam
Kazem Sedighi recently told his
Shiite Muslim followers that
immodestly dressed and
promiscuous women are to blame
for earthquakes.
In February, Rabbi Yehuda
Levin of the Rabbinical Alliance of
America warned that allowing
gays in the military could cause
natural disasters to strike
America.
In Australia, the Central
Telegraph newspaperquoted
President Dr Daniel Nalliah of the
'Catch the Fire Ministeries' as
blaming the 2010/2011 floods on
Prime Minister Julia Gillard for
being an atheist.
Religion Has Tried to Stop
Mass Progress and Knowledge
When Galileo attempted to revise
scientific belief by proposing that
our planet wasn't at the centre of
creation he was censored and
persecuted.
Religious leaders were more
interested in preserving their view
of creation, and tried to hide a
contradictory theory that might
educate their followers, but also
jeopardise their authority and
power.
Do Earth-like Space Events
Prove God Doesn't Inflict
Disasters on Humanity?
Stephen Hawking has lectured on
this topic, and considers that: "In
ancient times, the world must have
seemed pretty arbitrary. Disasters
such as floods or diseases must
have seemed to happen without
warning, or apparent reason...the
only hope was to win favour by gifts
or actions. Many people still
partially subscribe to this belief,
and try to make a pact with
fortune..."
Hawking is a confirmed atheist, and
also one of the leading
astrophysicists in the world. Thanks
to people such as him, we are
discovering that 'natural disasters'
are common in the universe. They
occur all the time on planets and
stars that are uninhabited. So who
is God punishing there?
Examples of Natural Disasters
in Space: Mars
It is thought that there are more
stars and planets in the universe
than there are granules of sand on
all the beaches on our planet, and
many have been formed and
destroyed on a much grander scale
than anything on Earth. Who was
God punishing?
If there is a God, who's first concern
is humanity on Earth, then why did
it give Mars the biggest volcano,
with Olympic Mons three times as
high as Everest, and why did it use
up all its eruptions before humanity
found it. And who did the wrath of
Olympic Mons punish while it was
active; or the drying of Mars to its
present apparently lifeless state?
While Mars is now quiet, there are
still 'natural disasters' occurring on
other planets in our solar system all
the time.
Examples of Natural Disasters
in Space: Jupiter and Saturn
In 2010, NASA reported that Jupiter
lost one of its two distinguishing
cloud bands, known as the South
Equatorial Belt (SEB), which are
twice as wide as Earth and more
than twenty times as long. It is
thought that storms on the planet
obscured the giant belt.
Meanwhile, Saturn had a massive
storm of its own going on, with
NASA data showing: 'a large,
turbulent storm, dredging up loads
of material from the deep
atmosphere and covering an area
at least five times larger than the
biggest blizzard in this year's
Washington, D.C.-area storm front
nicknamed "Snowmageddon."'
There is not thought to be any
history of immoral life that would
anger God on Mars, Jupiter and
Saturn.

SageNaruto: I heard d 1 who scored our goal also died i.e Sam Okparaji

hahaha..every african country u go to there is a similar story.. Just like the madam ko ko and bush bay stories we hear in secondary school..we have all been scammed lol.. India cannot play ball as compared to their counterparts... That why u don't see them in the world cup.. If it were by their jazz haiti togo and benin rep will carry world cup back to back

magictouch: Thanks for the prompt response people.

Any suggestions of nice places to visit in Ghana, my kids are excited about this journey already and I wanna give them a sweet experience.
it's actually a promise I made to them, that if they did well in their exams, I would take them to Ghana. we will be in Accra.

places like the beach, water fall, etc any good recommendation people.

it all depends on ur money.m u can visit labadi beach, oxford street osu.. A nice tourist cemter with retail places.m kwame nkrumah mausoleum, kakum national park. Accra mall.. Sench resort volta.. The list is almost endless..you have bar u r sure to have fun

youmour: i can totally relate with u bro,Ghana girls have nice,sexy voices but majority of dem wowo die

cos probably u parol from tthe rugged sides.. Check out tema , sakumono or legon and the unis.. Davidos ex can confess to that

A government delegation is off to
Germany to study how it converted its
Polytechnics into technical universities.
The team led by Okudzeto Ablakwa, a
Deputy Education Minister, left Accra
Sunday night. It includes Executive
Secretary of National Inspectorate Board,
Dr. George Afeti.
"Everybody knows that [Germany's]
technical universities are one of the best
in the world so we are going to
understudy them", Ablakwa told Joy
News.
This trip is seen by government as a
giant step in fulfilling a 2012 campaign
promise made by President John
Dramani Mahama of the National
Democratic Congress (NDC) to convert
polytechnics into technical universities.
There is a stigmatisation of vocational
and technical education as youths often
opt for training in so-called white-collar
professions.
Most Ghanaian youths have turned their
back on technical education seen as
important economic turnarounds for
countries like Singapore, Korea.
According to the Chairman of Conference
of Rectors of Polytechnics (CORP) Prof.
G.K.S. Aflakpui, President Mahama's
decision to convert polytechnics into
technical universities has brought a lot of
joy to authorities of polytechnics across
the country.
Ghana has 10 Polytechnics - one in every
region.
In parts of Europe, converted
Polytechnics are called University of
Applied Sciences. In Germany it is known
as Fachhochschule.
University of Applied Sciences (UAS) are
designed with a focus on vocational
degrees, especially in technology,
engineering, business, and health
professions. The German Universities of
Applied Sciences enjoy a high reputation
with the German local industry.
Germany has 216 UASs.
The Deputy Education Minister said the
delegation will be meeting some heads
of these universities, and Germany's
Education secretary Johanna Wanka.
The first intake of students into these
technical universities in Ghana is
expected to start by 2016.