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Jaeljael:
waiting for when ijebu ode secondary school and egba high school will go to the national assembly

NASS is far guy. Have they been invited to ogun state house of assembly?

Why resign in 2019 when his tenure expires in 2019?

That's like saying I will get up from the dinning table after I'm done eating. This kachikwu sef!

blingxx:
if they postpone Christmas and new year...will you be happy ?

Nobody can postpone Christmas. It's a fixed global day of celebration and we don't need to search for moon or any planetary body.

New Year is not a Christian event. It is marked all over the world including so called Islamic nations -their banking dates also changes with the rest of the world

[quote author=ibndawud96 post=56780234]Barstardness has already shown in your you idiot, nothing could have been achieved in this country if not for muslims[/quote

Really? Do you know the meaning of NOTHING?

Now clap for yourself

guyXander:
Mumu, you see where them write divine Revelation?

Na only adeboye get divine Revelations abi?
Ode.

It's easy to retort to insult when you cant substantiate your point.

Saint guyXander, your religious Roman colonial master aka Pope is a sinner like you, declaring fellow men as Saints based on alleged appearance of Mary? Really? Has Mary ever appeared to you before? Or anyone you know in Nigeria? How many Saints do you have in Nigeria? I guess she doesn't appear to black Africans like you.

Mary is more important to your lot than salvation through Jesus himself. Who is the real Ode and mumu here?

GeneralOjukwu:
Moral of the story....

1. It's good to have sugar mummies

2. MILFs and cougars can be very loyal

THE END

PS- Very inspiring, he only started his movement just over a year ago

And more interesting that he doesn't belong to a political party. He started a movement last year as an independent candidate.

Abagworo:
That's why it's stupid for Igbos to pray for Buhari's death. The South ruled for 14 years out of 16 and North has ruled for only 4 years now out of 18.

Bros count it well from 1960-1999 and get back to me.

Youdondeymad:
Oh! it is a pleasure, have a great week ahead.I want you to know one thing before I leave,religion is the opium of the masses...no offence.



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The very nature of man makes its necessary to have some form of ideology, philosophy or belief system. In the absence of religion, yours is free thinking.

Unless you are the father of free thinking then I must say it's your opium as well.

Have a great productive week.

Youdondeymad:
Stop speaking from both sides of your mouth,most Pentecostal members including you and your pastors do not believe that catholics are Christians.For instance,let's check the comments made by Pentecostal members on this thread alone and see if truly you saying the truth.Pentecostal churches are known or want to be known as "Bible Christians",bible believing churches, bla bla bla...they always accuse other churches especially the Catholic and white garment churches of not being Bible believing.

About my belief,it is the opposite of yours,it is all about mental freedom.From your post I can see that you are a Christian just because your parents are also Christians.You are right about my parents, oh yeah! they are Christians,my dad is a Catholic while my mum is a Pentecostal member but I'm not like you.Nobody can impose his or her religion on me unlike you,I believe in love,peace and unity.I believe in only one human race,I don't have to go inside my room and start shouting out prayers to God,often in the morning or late at night when people are sleeping.

Good clap for yourself! Your parents did their best and I respect them. At least you have heard the gospel. Salvation is personal. Your way, your choice.

louismariae:
This Sunday sun must be scorching you really hard, for you to have missed where it read " after due deliberation and frequent prayer for divine assistance, and having sought the counsel of many of our brother Bishops, we declare and define Blessed Francisco Marto and Jacinta Marto to be saints,”

On the contrary it's not sunny where I am.

Meanwhile

after due deliberation and frequent prayer for divine assistance, and having sought the counsel of many of our brother Bishops, we declare and define blessed louismariae to be saint

Congratulations!! You too are now a Saint

Youdondeymad:
Stop speaking from both sides of your mouth,most Pentecostal members including you and your pastors do not believe that catholics are Christians.For instance,let's check the comments made by Pentecostal members on this thread alone and see if truly you saying the truth.Pentecostal churches are known or want to be known as "Bible Christians",bible believing churches, bla bla bla...they always accuse other churches especially the Catholic and white garment churches of not being Bible believing.
No
About my belief,it is the opposite of yours,it is all about mental freedom.

Mental freedom Kwa?
Biko expantiate what does it feel like to be a free thinker so that the rest of us who are not "mental free" can be free at last.

No more thinking in bondage. FREE THINKING all the way....

cyrilamx:
Stop beating about the bush, counter my scriptural quotes of Matt. 9:1-8 and Jn 20:23, perhaps u more learned than the apostles and fathers of the Church. Well it not strange you sticking to ur personal interpretation which is the hallmark of protestantism/pentecoslism or our local parlance usage...man-made or sole proprietorship church. I even wonder if u even delve into church history to comprehend more historical truths of early Christian deeds. My dear is only a proud sinner that says he only confesses to God. If Christ empowered his apostles to forgive sins which can only happen through confession, who are u to go against Christ's injunctions. Maybe u tell me if the counselling going on in ur church ain't a type of confession. I can see ur pride..."mere flesh" no different from how the pharisees attacked Jesus in Matt. 9:1-8. Without theology there couldn't have been the Bible...because it was theologians-priests and Bishops alike that congregated at the councils of Hippo (393 A.D) and Carthage (397 A.D.) under the chairmanship of the Holy and great African bishop, St. Augustine to determine which of the numerous early christian writings will make the canons of the Bible. Afterwards, they submitted their findings to Pope Damasus for approval. So before u run ur ignorant brain against theology, think again.

No need to insult me. We are having a civil conversation here.

Talking about Pharisees: I said Jesus alone has the prerogative to forgive sins and I encourage you to go to him directly. Your pope and priest said you cannot go directly but through them. Now if you know anything about Pharisees at all you should know who is the real Pharisee here.

If Christ sent out his disciples and gives them power to forgive after baptising them in the Holy Ghost, does that not tell you that he only delegated authority? All they do and say is in his name.

When your priest declare you are forgiven. Who does the actual forgiveness? God or your priest?? If God then why Go through the priest. If you say it's the priest then you don't need God.

And have you had any instance where your priest used his so called "power" to retain the sin of the one who confessed?

It's like a court warder telling you that you are discharged and acquitted....He's only wishing you well cos he doesn't have that authority. Only the judge does.

Theology and dogmatic doctrines have been used to keep your likes in bondage for long.

Jesus died for me to have;
God-Jesus -Me

Why should I opt for ;
God-Jesus -Mary-Angel-Saint-Pope-Priest-Me

Pharisees were unnecessary middle men just as the ones above. And Christ has done away with them.

Peace

cyrilamx:
You sound no different from d pharisees who were incensed at Christ for sharing to tell a paralysed man his sins re forgiven. Lk. 5:20-24. Again what do u think of St John's Gospel 20:23 when Christ passed on the power to forgive sins to his apostles and by extension to their successors? Or have u be brainwashed into believing that the power to forgive sins ended with the apostles? Surely it will also be logical to attest that the command to preach the Gospel also ended with the apostles cum first century Christians. My dear the Bible is to help to instruct and never the sole rule of Christian faith as St. Paul taught in 2.Thes2:15. Go and read the Didach- writings about how the early Christians observed worship, heard auricular confession and the rests prior the canonicity of the Bible in late 4th century. I will advise u to stick to nairabet where u can showcase ur gift of "guess" work not dabble into theology where u have little or no knowledge.

Mr theologian Weldone sir. Im not sure how much of theology is required for salvation though. But the Bible is clear.

Every man has access to God to receive forgiveness directly through Jesus. If you think you are not worthy of such direct access then no one will force you. Go through your priest and Pope.

As for me the Bible says I belong to a Royal priesthood and Christ is the High Priest.

A sinful man in the flesh that cannot forgive himself who is also a sinner is forgiving someone else. Now who is playing nairabet with his salvation between me and you.

Both you and your reverend father are sinners who need to ask God for forgiveness for sins known and unknown. Keep confessing to your reverend father.

cyrilamx:
Guy stop this ranting of "where is it in the bible?" did u not read from scripture that a lot of things Christ did that didn't find their ways into scripture? And did St Paul not ask Christians to hold fast to the teachings he bestows on them whether by letter (scrpture) or word of mouth( oral tradition)? 2.Thes. 2:15, sacred Tradition...that is oral teachings came before the Bible. Also did u not read where Christ bestowed on Peter the keys of Heaven and the power of binding and losing in Matt.16-18-19 an an other Apostles in Matt.18:18? It was this authority the Apostles relied on in steering the church, a pointing of deacons as a Acts 6:1-7, taking crucial decision like bold claims of working in conjunction with the holy Spirit regarding dietary laws. Acts 16:28, setting guidelines regarding Church worship...go read church history how the church Fathers as successors of the apostles decided the canons of the scripture almost 400 years into christianity. If you have problem with the Catholic Church, den refrain from worshipped on Sunday, using the Bible, observing Easter and Christmas and lots more. If God actually prohibited the making of image as u guys are wont to point out, why did he allow cherubs to be moulded on the ark of the covenant? Or did God turn blind eyes when Solomon adorned the temple with images of lions, oxen and cherubs, 1 kings 6: 23-28,29,32;7:29? Why did God ask Mos to make a bronze serpent and instructed the bitten children of isreal to look up to it for healings? Num 21:7-9? For those asking if th Catholic Church is God really shows the shallowness of protestantism. Christ bequeathed supreme powers/authority to his Church he founded in St. Peter...same authority, St. Peter's successors in the name of Pope enjoy till today. That why for more than two thousand years the Catholic Church still thrives despite d numerous failings of her members and the bad popes. Hence the church is able to make bold claims like forgiving sins Jn 20:23, declaring a person to to Saint in heaven but never making anybody a saint (the church declares not make Saints...holy life makes one a saints) in the cause of history the Catholic Church had have a defend it's teachings against numerous heretical teachings, apostasies and hostile movement as is prevalent among man-made churches today. Christ founded a church and not a Bible. Bible came out of necessity to write down t life of Christ and the need to respond to questions the young thriving Christian community were asking hence the various letters
In other word, the (Catholic) church and not the Bible is the pillar and guardian of the revealed Truth. 1.Tim 3:14-16, and the Bible came out of the Church. The day u ask ur pastor or anybody else pray for u, wil be the day divine anger will descend on you. Have you never heard of communion of Saints or worship in heaven? Those in heaven can intercede for us same way we intercede for one another through the mediatorship of Christ Jesus. If fallible pastors can be requested to intercede for u, what can't we see the prayers of our heavenly friends before God. Remember scripture is never averse towards the intercession of our guardian angels? Matt. 18:10

Oh really?

Peter has supreme authority and also forgave sins and pope is his representative. Ok

I hope the blood of Peter/pope and their declaration of forgiveness is enough to save you if not....

And yes God abolished the use of symbol/images after Jesus rose from the dead. Even the Jew's stopped temple sacrifices. Where did you see people making image in the New Testament?

(Acts 17:29 KJV) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.


I didn't know that a man can forgive another man's sins against God. Is he Jesus?

modaink333:
ode! A saint is not born, a saint is been made....and i belive u dont expect God to come down on earth and canonize dem saints

God cannot come down to make Saint so it's only proper for you to make them Saint and refer them to God in heaven.

Earthly being recommending Saint to God in heaven!

Now who is the real Ode?

Every Christian that live a holy life and makes it to Heaven is a saint

Shafiiimran99:
Have u forgot ur own history or do think many xtians nation today accepted xtianity willingly?

Millions of African−Americans are Christians today because their ancestors were converted against their will to the religion of the slave-master.

Hundreds of thousands of
American−Indians are Christians today because the Christian missionaries converted their ancestors against their will.

In Europe, it was the same thing. When Rome controlled most of the world, the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 325 CE forced Christianity onto his subjects.

The people of Lithuania did not become Christians because they read the gospels and decided to accept their teachings. On the contrary, the people of Lithuania were forced into Christianity against their will, as a result of relentless military force.

From The Crusades, by Bernard Hamilton

I'm happy you read the Christian creed. Allah will remind you when you confessed Jesus as Lord hahahaha

Now to the crux of it:
So because some people in America converted their slaves by force many centuries ago then you think it's right to still be in the business of religious terrorism in the 21st century. Are the rest of the world their slaves?

And how was mecca and Medina and Arab world converted? By tracts and evangelism and visitation?

BTW they now know that Jesus did not preach violence. Muslims are migrating to America and Europe in droves. If they are still killing like your Isis brothers in Syria I doubt they will want to move to America

The predominant Christian world is peaceful and accommodating with religious freedom. The average Muslim nation does not guarantee freedom to worship by declaring Islam a state religion. Which one is more accommodating to you?

America is bad and ungodly but when Donald Trump ask people to stay in their Islamic country they were shouting Upandan.

Hypocrisy is when you ask your host country to practice freedom of religion but your own country back home does not guarantee that freedom to other religions


And before you say Isis is not Muslim just watch their videos online and hear them quote straight from thesame Quran. I don't think you support violence but to Isis you are as good as the Christian he wants to bomb. To them a moderate Muslim is no Muslim at all.

The rationale of forceful, violent conversion is outdated. Help us tell your radical brothers maybe they will listen to you.

Syncan:
1Tim 2:1 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men".


If you don't need their help,I have no problem with that, but don't condemn me for asking a righteous person to pray for me because "The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective". James 5:16

Jesus is the mediator, I agree, Yet it does not nullify (1Tim 2:1) "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men". St. Paul calls us to intercession, yet we know that Christ continues to intercede, since (Heb 7:24-25) says: "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them". St Paul knows this eternal Intercessory role of Christ, yet he exhorts the faithful to "Intercessions for all men" without fear of contradiction, it therefore means that we can participate in these aspect of Christ's ministry according to the level of "bonding" between us and Jesus without anyone feeling that recognition is taking away from Christ.

Good start.

At least you quoted the Bible. We are getting there.

The scripture you quoted below, is Paul talking to living people listening to him or talking to dead saints or asking us to pray through them? Because if you read on it says:

(1 Timothy 2:2 KJV) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
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(1 Timothy 2:5 KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus is the mediator, I agree, Yet it does not nullify (1Tim 2:1) "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men

BTW I appreciate that we are both looking into the word of God together. Even heaven is happy... *smiles*

Nomswilli:
its clear that u were properly brainwashed.... If u no tell me the name of ur Church.. Then no quote me again cos I no go respond.....make we start there then we enter bible

At least I was "brainwashed" with the Bible and I've quoted 4 verses from the Bible. I'm proud of my Bible. Were you brainwashed with written prayers/doctrines from your saints in Rome?

Will my church name change the verse you want to quote in your Bible? There is no church denomination in heaven. Denominations are a creation of earthly church leaders.

I quoted the Bible because the word of God is the foundation of my faith. Why can't you quote one single verse that approves praying through angel, Mary or saint?

If you don't quote the Bible in your next comment as requested then it will confirm that praying through angel, Mary or saint is not biblical.

Peace

Youdondeymad:
Lol,suddenly catholics are now your brethren(ROTFL),remember that you pentecostal accused the pope of belonging to an occult world,some even called him the anti christ.What are you insinuating?you are a typical pentecostal biscuit church member(lol)


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If you don't know that Catholics and protestants both believe in Jesus (which is the central belief of Christianity) then then you need serious schooling.

You seem to know so much about every other person's belief but your own. Educate us about your own beliefs. Perhaps you can convince the rest of us to become a free thinker like you.

My guts tell me you know nothing about free thinking but you just think its fashionable to claim to be one online. I can bet your parents are Christians.

This FREE THINKER wanna be sef

Nomswilli:
lol so this is it.?....Christianity I way deeper than what most of u Protestant Church member tink...if u think that 1.2billion person(Catholics) are stupid,then I really can't help ur situation...…wetin be the name of ur Church first

I don't blame you for not knowing where to quote. You actually don't read the Bible. You only memorize all those prayer you were taught from the cradle.

I quoted the Bible because the word of God is the foundation of my faith. Why can't you quote one single verse that approves praying through angel, Mary or saint?

You want to know my church? Well let me shock you. Church association is not a requirement to make heaven. And you so much pride yourself in 1.2billion that can never be wrong because they are majority. Well, hear what the Bible says;

(Matthew 7:13 KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

The multitude was wrong in the days of Noah and they will be wrong again. Admission to heaven is not by simple human majority vote. One with God is majority and Noah's family is an example.

Educate me please. Show me the verse of Bible. I'm still waiting....

Elxandre:
Instead of praying through Jacinta, why not Kuku pray through your late grandma?
At least that one loves you more than Jacinta...

Guy your sense of humour no be hia o

I don laff tire.....

Youdondeymad:
Hahahahaahhahhaha,I just can't stop laughing.You just proved to me that you a religious bigot,this thread is for catholics,why are commenting on it,what an irony...I love this comic relief...
your daddy G.O(demi-god) is waiting for you.He needs your tithes to FRY his hair and fuel his jeep(lmao).


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At least a Catholic is a Christian and that makes this a Christian thread. You said you are not a Christian or religious person.

Are you afraid to create a FREE THINKER thread and interact with your types? Or is there no free thinking topic on your mind... Like how to be a good free thinker?

Nomswilli:
the church does not make saints.…it only acknowledges those WHO it has proofs through miraculous works ARE IN HEAVEN ...if only u knw want sainthood is ,u wouldn't make the claim that peter would not want to be called a saint..he a saint and would be addresed as that(by virture of the fact that he is in heaven)..I implore u to pray to God through the angels and saints asking them to also help in interceding to God the father for that which u need....as Francisco and jacinta ,pray for us all amen

I don't need to pray to God through Mary, any Angel or Saint. Praying through Jesus Christ would do.

(Luke 11:1 KJV) And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

(Luke 11:2 KJV) And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

(John 16:23 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.



Where did your Bible ask you to pray through Mary or angel or Saint? Please quote the verse let's see. Waiting....

Youdondeymad:
Are you threatening me or what?You can come over to my place to beat me.You pentecostal members are the worst religious mofos,wait a minute;why are you not in church.Una don close?You have pictures of a white actor in your homes and churches claiming it is Jesus Christ,is that not idolatry also...



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E pain am.

Free thinker go and THINK FREELY. Stay out of religious people's thread. Is it by force ? we are religious and proud of it. Be proud of your belief also.

Peace

Youdondeymad:
The anti catholics are derailing this thread yet most of them are christians,una go start dey cry whenever the muslims and atheists are mocking you.Hypocrites everywhere,FYI;I'm a free thinker.I detest religion.


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Then stay out of this thread. Go and comment on your free thinker thread. Let those who are religious enjoy themselves. Abi your finger dey scratch you?

iaamxavier:
So in essence I shoud join ur 2x2 shop church and be enrich ur pastor that will spend my money on prostitute in canada okay! Byr!

I'm not asking you to join any church. Hope you know that church will not save you or me. Irrespective of your church affiliation, the basic principles of the Bible is clear. If Christ died and rose only so that you can feel him through material symbols then his death has not made a difference in you.

He died to remove every barrier between us and the Father. That is why I can pray to God through Jesus and through Him ALONE as well as enjoy his presence 24/7

fiponmile:
I thank God for blessing me with Islam.... الحمد لله رب العالمين....

"I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth that Jesus is my Lord and personal Savior."

If you cannot quote the above then get out of this thread or read silently at the background.

Yours is even worse. Worshippers of moon, and star (it's on all your mosque buildings and we know very well)

Your Islam that preaches hatred, killing and suicide bombing because of 70 virgins? Don't even start

iaamxavier:
Ur words keep betraying you now fyi Catholic don't worship the graven image we put them as medium of feeling Gods presence go to any catholic and tell me if uve seen them worship those statue

Oga be wise I'm no longer replying

So your crucifix, rosary and image/picture of Mary is your "medium of feeling God's presence" whereas God want to make your heart his dwelling place?

So the spirit of God will not be "felt" by you if none of these is present

If you are genuinely born again, the Holy Spirit is living in your heart and will direct your life. Your heart is the new church where the Holy Spirit lives.

Nofuckgiven:
But when your pastor declares himself as prophet you believe! Why not go and research yourself to know who those kids really were and why they deserve that honor? Keep deceiving yourself!

Thank God you finally agree it is only an honor from one man to another. Thanks for the clarification.

iaamxavier:
When jesus pass down the church to peter ( the head of catholic church ) he said whatever u bound here on earth is bound in heaven

So funny because even Peter and Paul refused to be worshipped. They preferred the simple title APOSTLE. Reason being that people regarded them as next to God because of how much they were used by God to perform miracles, teach doctrines and spread the gospel.

But they showed great humility. Peter remained a fisherman despite the fact that he didn't need to work for money. I doubt if Peter himself would have agreed to be called a SAINT in his lifetime.

Chuvin22:
Will you keep qwayet

A well mannered human being would have expressed his own view instead of shouting "keep qwayet"

Man declaring man as saint. Then what will God himself declare Abeg? Saint kwa?