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BlueAngel444:
KDB was an 8 na like Lampard

Anyway Oscar wasn't popular I didn't know him before he signed for Chelsea. Oscar did very well his first season though and deserved to stat. If Mou was so political why did he bench Kaka for Ozil

We were playing 4-2-3-1 then and KDB plays there. Oscar had the profile of being no10 for Brazil and was fairly popular in his 2012-13 season. That is an easy sell for Mata's replacement than a small Belgian boy.

Kaka had already suffered one year of injury and flopping before being shifted for Ozil who was Germany's no10 and a World Cup star.

BlueAngel444:
But what weakness did KDB have that Mou let him go

Go and ask Mou. I supported KDB.

If you ask me, Mourinho was playing politics with Oscar Vs Mata and KDB was not a big enough name to factor in that political argument. Mourinho said he wants to get rid of Mata and I quote "in order to make space for Brazil's no10". I just think KDB was a victim of the 6 months it took Mourinho to politically shift Mata out of the club. In the process of doing that, KDBs career was being wasted and he did not have the patience to wait for such politics to play out.

You cannot shift your POTY and much loved Chelsea player with a largely unknown small boy from Belgium. That would have been unacceptable to the fans and media, so he had to do it with Oscar, who I also did not like.

swiz123:
Kante is a CM, (at least for major part of his career)not a DM. The qualities he lacks is paramount to a CM. But apparently , his work rate assuages his weakness -- A benefit you have failed to give Fab.

Fabregas though versatile is not a DM.

stop twisting facts to favor your opinion.

CM or DM, they both have primary defensive responsibility. We are no longer in the days of Okocha and Oliseh where one has all defensive accountability and the other has zero defensive accountability.

Stopping opponents from penetrating is the primary responsibility of a CM or DM. You can do that by defending well or by hogging the ball so thoroughly that opposition do not touch the ball to harm you with it, or both. Fabregas can do neither consistently.

BlueAngel444:
So in this team now would you go add, who you go commot

This is our first team without question. Only Azpilicueta has an argument to break into this team but James has improved his stamina to where Azpis case for inclusion is getting weak

basilico:
Joe Biden is on 227. When was he declared the winner.
AP news is working in tandem with other media to pull off the lie that Joe has already surpassed 270.
Show me where State Bodies votes tally to that magical 270 Apart from the media

Votes are not finalised till 8th December, at which point Don the Con will sing Olu Maintains Yahooze song for you.

In the meantime, feel free to use your arithmetic to count the current gap in votes in each state Vs the outstanding votes left to count, since you don't trust APs arithmetic on who won each state

swiz123:
Just as Fabregas once rightly opined, physically gifted players are favoured in today's football than the technically gifted.

Well you are an idealist while I prefer reality. That should explain why Fabregas has been a bench fodder since the age of 29 and why Monaco are trying to chase him away till today

swiz123:
As a CENTRAL midfielder, he lacks PRECISION passing which is a reason why he rarely plays key passes.

He lacks the elite composure required of a CM which makes them absorb pressure better.

His lack of ball control is glaring.

Just as Fabregas once rightly opined, physically gifted players are favoured in today's football than the technically gifted.

Well that's your opinion. Makelele also lacked what you may describe as precision passing but is the best DM in the clubs history. Maybe you want a Fabregas in your DM position but Kantes technical skill is more than adequate for the position and that is borne out both in his volume of passes and accuracy of passes when he plays there. I don't need a 9/10 passer in that position - a 6/10 passer with good defensive skill is hundred times better than a 9/10 passer with no defensive skill in that position. My opinion is below.

Ibime:
Kante does not pose structural weakness. His passing and control is at least 6/10. Shooting is irrelevant in his position. Ramires passing and control was 2/10 which is what made him a weakness. You only need 5/10 in any trait to be acceptable within a team framework and Kante has that in every trait related to his position.

swiz123:
Why then do you accommodate Kante for his technical weakness?

I don't want to smell hypocrisy

Kante has no glaring technical weakness in his position as I stated earlier

swiz123:
Jorginho is and will never be as effective as Fabregas.

In assists no, but they are both the same escort in their primary work of deep lying midfield

swiz123:
That is because to him, aggressiveness means effectiveness.

I wouldn't be surprised if he rates Bakayoko ahead of Fabregas. Havertz is already been court marshalled by him for failing to have Bakayoko-like qualities.

Once again, you don't know who you are talking about. Maybe you are new here. You can ask around who persecuted Bakayoko the most on this thread. I even staked $100 on Bakayoko being a flop. I do not accomodate weakness whether physical or technical.

popizaino:
That is all.


Let me give you an instance to further buttress your point .There was this match we won by a lone at westham during one of our late title winning seasons. The match wasn't tension Packed because we dominated from start to finish.we scored very early in the game but couldn't add more due to poor finishes from our attackers.As usual fabregas created several clear scoring chances for dufos like hazard and willian that they ended up making a mess of it. mind you an old crippled granny would put most of these chances pass the goal keeper. Now imagine if westham had gotten a corner at the very last kick of the game and went ahead to equalize,ibime would have come here to blame fabregas even if the goal was from a lucky corner kick citing how he was escorting from the midfield to lead to corner.

Nonsense. In a title chasing team, we don't talk about specific games. When we talk of players like Fabregas, we talk of inconsistency and inability to compete consistently in big games. The same Fabregas who may dominate West Ham in that game could escort Bournemouth within the next 3 games, or be unable to get hold of the ball against a big team in another game. What we want for Chelsea is that our midfield is competitive in every game, not playing lottery from one game to another. How are you different from those who come to praise Jorginho after his good games, knowing he will still escort and be a liability at another game down the line.

swiz123:
Does that make managers of the latter teams morons for sticking with those two?

No because these players are difficult to move on financially. If Lampard could find a buyer, Jorginho would be out of here. Until then, they just do their best to work around those players weaknesses, often dropping them when water done pass garri.

swiz123:
Why then do you Jorgs and Busquet always make the First Eleven since their weakness cannot be accomodated?

That's their teams business and their teams are the ones suffering for it, getting hammered 8-2, 6-0 and the likes in tough games.

Timiofak:
The same way he was dead sure Obama wasn't a us citizen?

lmao.

Cultists move on from one lie to the next with no accountability for the previous lies.

ono fit be one of my childhood friend for Borokiri, PH by the same name. I wouldn't be surprised because even back then, that guy been dey like to share political conspiracies.

swiz123:
Kante also has many weaknesses bordering on lack of control, precision passing, dribbling, poor judgement, shooting etc yet he is highly effective in his preferred position.

Going by your analyses, first eleven players like Jorginho, Busquet, Pirlo are/were all carry alongs which only slowed the team down.

Kante does not pose structural weakness. His passing and control is at least 6/10. Shooting is irrelevant in his position. Ramires passing and control was 2/10 which is what made him a weakness. You only need 5/10 in any trait to be acceptable within a team framework and Kante has that in every trait related to his position.

When you have speed of 1/10 like Fabregas then you pose structural weakness. You may as well be a cardboard cutout on the pitch in defensive situations.

Busquet, Jorginho are all weaknesses. Pirlo had 3 centrebacks behind him and 2 DMs in front of him, otherwise he would also pose a weakness.

BlueAngel444:
your being harsh on Fab, besides Silva benefitted from the fact he was in a new upcoming big club and had consistency in management especially with the quality of players he had around him. Imagine you saying Fabregas was slow in joining attack, players slow down with age, lets say because he didn't have to join attack. Did you watch him when he played SS in barca and Spain. What u will say he was not a gra gra player. Speed is hardly the game of people who play centrally

Fabregas slowness has nothing to do with age. He was still in his late twenties when he came to Chelsea. An AM does not need to be fast, but he cannot be a snail. Only when you literally walk the ball into the opponent box like Spain, Barca and Arsenal can you talk of Fabregas being an AM.

When football changed, he was left behind, lacking the ability to play effectively in either a high pressing or counterattacking team.

He had glaring deficiency whether in AM, CM or DM and no serious competitive team can accomodate that long term which is why he was chased to the bench for years and finally chased to Monaco who would also like to chase him if they could find a buyer.

BlueAngel444:
Mata was not physically weak or slow. Maybe because i have long term memory that some things fans say shock me. It not like you were happy when Mata was sold. I am sure Mourinhi said the BS about KDB and Salah's physicality. Mata went to Manu and faded simple, a bad year that didn't get better

Yes he was. He has the body of a 12 year old boy. Yes I did persecute Mata and I did argue for his sale on these very pages which caused a big brouhaha back then and I was proved right. Mata was a passenger for Chelsea in big games due to his lack of physicality. He only pad stats in the small games and disappeared in the big games. That's why we don't talk of Mata in UCL run of 2012 cos he was a liability and often dragged off early for Kalou at which point his wing would stop being overloaded. On the contrary, I was one of the biggest promoters of KDB cos I saw his vision with no weakness in him.

BlueAngel444:
be lie say u get preference for players like Ramirez

You can ask around. I was the biggest persecutor of Ramires on this thread. I don't accomodate weakness in any player whether technical or physical and Ramires was a technical liability, always giving the ball away by trying to run with it through the centre of midfield, with an atrocious first touch and lacking the simple midfield basics of trapping the ball, turning and passing to a teammate.

swiz123:
I rate a player based on effectiveness, not weakness. Every player has a weakness.

While Fabregas was a liability defensively, he was highly effective in creating goals.A managers job is to create the right balance by maximizing the strength of his players and also accommodate their weaknesses.

As for Ozil -- player that showed serious signs of decline at the age of 29 --, I don't really rate him that high. Ozil only won reasonable trophies in teams he was fortunate enough to play in: Germany, Madrid.

So, to Ibime who thinks fab was a weak link, I am interested to know what you think of Pogba who doesn't have obvious weaknesses but highly ineffective.

Pogba has many weaknesses including jogging, lack of fitness, not following players and dwelling on the ball too long.

I do judge players on their weakness because those weaknesses cost the team points and do not allow the team to consistently challenge. That's why you can talk of Fabregas in comparison to other generational talents, yet he was chopping bench because the managers of his team's cannot accommodate such weakness in team structure.

It is not managers job to accomodate weakness when the weakness is too glaring to be accommodated and can cost the manager his job. Same reason Mata's weakness is not accomodated, nor Ozil. Every player has a role to play in modern football. There are no passengers.

Melvyn11:
All those are nostalgic voters. Stat wise Henry was miles ahead of Ronaldinho.

How are they nostalgic vote when it was happening presently and Ronaldinho was newer on the scene than Henry

Ronaldinho 2005 Ballon D'or win is one of the most dominant of all time. Henry only got two votes which must be sympathy votes from France and Martinique

Melvyn11:
There is nothing generational about Ronaldinho people are just blinded by nostalgic. If Ronaldinho was a generational talent so is Neymar. Henry from 2004 to 2006 even outperformed Ronaldinho.

Only young people still in primary school or junior secondary from 04-06 will subscribe to this. Ronaldinho margin of victory in Ballon d'Or voting will be one of the most dominant margin of victories of all time.

afrodoc2:
This is not really indicative of their quality in comparison to other all time greats though. It is all about time and chance.

If Ronaldinho played in the Messi/CR7 era he might not have any ballon d’Or.

Be that as it may, there were many players around during 2004-2006 that were highly respected but he floored them all like Maradona floored all from 86-88.

Not even R9 was that dominant cos Del Piero was keeping up with R9 on domestic stage while Zidane managed to steal his glory on International stage.

popizaino:
Then again your ascertion of him at your club is nothing different from what you quoted were I said you barca fans were not comfortable with his direct style and long balls kind of play.

No, you are downplaying it. They were also unhappy with his inability to dominate the ball in midfield and his escorting hence Godx said he was always half a step behind. No one has a problem with throwing good long passes. He just could not do bread-and-butter midfield work. Like a baker that can only put icing on cake but can never consistently bake the cake.

pamcode:
I actually grouped them as a duo. As in who is better between Kaka and Mueller. Also Ronaldinho and Neymar.

Muller over Kaka

Ronaldinho over Neymar

pamcode:
There is a question I would like to ask, it has been coming up on Twitter a lot this days. Based on their prime and overall careeer between Kaka and Muller, Ronaldinho and Neymar who is the better player..

Sacrilege to put Ronaldinho in the same sentence with the other three when talking of prime.

2004-2006, Ronaldinho was the most dominant generational talent since Maradona in 86-88. No one was competing with him.

ono:
Ibime and co-conspirators, sleepy Joe well-wishers will take this as "dumb" pig Trump news.

Una money done enter voicemail. Another con from the Don. Believe him at your own peril. He has been filing suits but nothing alleging fraud. This is just another con to rile up his base, hoping he can cause enough civil disturbance to intimidate GOP electors. He has nothing in court. As soon as States start certifying results, all this legal bluster will disappear, that's why I said by 8th December, money done loss. Let the conman play his games till then.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-invalidate-election-results-lawsuits-differ-from-tweets-2020-11

Roland17:
Baba, in comparison to Fab, I will definitely entertain an argument for Silva because of the length of his prime for both country and club like you alluded to but I will still pick Ozil in my opinion but definitely a more respectable comparison that can go either way.

Abeg, can we stop including Mata in this conversation because it is disrespectful to the other cats..There are levels to this thing na!

One of the issues Ozil has struggled with is adapting to the evolution of the game especially with style, formation/ tactics tweaks. We went from AM/CM being the only ball playing players to now ball playing goalkeepers, defenders and even strikers who start attack from the back. That almost diminishes the role of that traditional 10.

He did really well after he joined the EPL, I mean the numbers speak for themselves but the more the game evolved in terms of intensity, especially with the press, the more it became difficult for him to catch up.

That's why I went for Silva cos he's the only one that was able to adapt. The other 3 are relics of a previous era, unable to adapt to changing tactics and formations. Mata was also the least adaptable and does not belong in this conversation.

Fabregas was too fragile defensively, yet too slow to join the attack and keep up with his strikers effectively when we reached the 2010 decade. He neither fit in AM, CM nor DM and posed a tactical weakness in each position that unbalanced the teams he played for.

Mata was too physically weak and slow and disappeared with the obsolescence of the no10 position, also posing a tactical weakness even when in his prime. He was good in small games but disappeared and was overrun in big games, putting much pressure on his midfield partners to cover his gaps.

Ozil held on for longer but was also made obsolete by no10 position disappearing. Silva was able to transition from left-wing to AM to CM effectively and was never a carryalong or tactical hindrance at any point in his career. And I don't particularly think Silva had more physicality to adapt than the others, he just had more intelligence and desire.

Raumdeuter may be right based on the below, but I think the GOP party has been so hijacked and compromised by Trump's base they may be powerless to take back their party from the cult of Trump. The only thing that can give GOP the power to do so is if Trump is found guilty of criminal acts, allowing them to move on him, however another Trumpist like Tom Cotton could also hijack the GOP easily using Trump's base.

Roland17:
You are not even arguing about Ozil making the 1st team, you are talking about Ozil not making the squad!!! That is where you should know your emotions have gotten the better part of you.

The man led the German team with record goal/assist numbers on the way to the biggest stage in football and racked up tons of individual awards. .He was not a passer by during the competition either. So what are we talking about here? No be the same World Cup Spain go too?

The goals and numbers the Madrid front line are boasting of today including CR7 were products of Ozil’s magic..No be the same league Barcelona dey when he won assist records for 3 consecutive seasons? Isn’t it hypocritical that you can excuse Ozil’s numbers at Madrid because they were talented but Fab got shipped out of Barca because he could not make the team?

Critics can argue Fab left the pond at Arsenal for the ocean in Barcelona and almost drowned because he could not hold his own!

Baba there are levels to this thing abeg!

Fabregas is good for catching praise in a fourphy club. When you play for a club where every game is judged and each game could be the difference between winning and losing the title, the stakes are different. Fabregas prime was in a 4th place Arsenal team where no one cares from game to game and any game you flop is glossed over. In a big club, you only need to flop in one key game in the season for that game to be highlighted and for it to define your season. Once Fabregas reached the big boys clubs with expectations, he was chased. Even at Chelsea, he was chased to the bench within 2 years and eventually out of the club.

I chose prime Silva for the simple fact his prime lasted a decade in a trophy chasing club and he was central to that decade and was never chased from the club. Fabregas, Ozil and Mata have been chased from several clubs. None of them have been wanted for the past 3 years.

MaziAlaye:
Hahaha
Donatus Ekelechukwu Trump, we dey with you

December 8th is fast approaching. Once that time reach, money done loss.

PrideofLincoln1:
Trump's in the last stage of dementia that he inherited from his father Fred who died of dementia in 1999. Nothing same comes out of the morbidly obese pig. Thank God he's going away in a little over two months. Good riddance to the worst President in American History and one of God's worst creatures on Earth.

This is shameless behaviour. The same Govt that write HR Laws on company-employee conduct cannot in any way act above the spirit of those laws. I have never seen a farewell message like this my entire working life, and never seen a Western Govt sack someone with anything more than a "Thank you for service" message regardless of their incompetence. I have seen the most incompetent executives sacked with my company thanking them and making excuse about them leaving for family or educational reasons or to explore other opportunities. Any company that sacks someone in this manner will simply lose any employment adjudication that follows. This guy is clueless.

Government is a continuum and if you hire and fire every year and accuse those you fired of incompetence or posing a National Security risk, that just tells us your Govt is incompetent and a Security risk.

edi287:
Dude is right for once...but who appointed him again??

Trump is a threat to National Security. How do you tell the world on Twitter that your security chief illegally released classified information? This guy is utterly clueless on the messaging that comes with Governance.

This is ignoring the totally childish farewell message about him being incompetent which I will never expect within a professional working environment no matter how incompetent the ex-employee was. This is the sort of farewell message I expect from a trader selling shoes in a market somewhere in Umudike after firing an employee. No wonder this sort of brash unprofessional behaviour appeals to Umudikeans.

Unlimited22:
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