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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:47am On Jul 23, 2020
afrodoc2:
C'mon now. Don't be hating. cheesy
Doc! We no come see your brakelight since Sunday cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:46am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
The bolded is a big lie that discredits your entire post.
How would you say that jorginho has had the perfect conditions in the past two years that has been characterized by managerial instability and a lit of experimental phases.

Look at how difficult it is for us to pinpoint our best player this season, because they have all been sub-par.
Stop laying the entire team's structural deficiency at the feet of only jorginho.

You lie again when you say jorginho doesn't really aid in the big matches. In the last two years, we have defeated ALL the big teams we've faced at one point or the other and even the ones we lost we did outpossess them.
Last season, jorginho broke a premier league record of the highest passes in a match and I think in a season. You won't point that out. You want to make it seem like he can't control the midfield, all for your agenda.

Jorginho has been in and out of the team at some points this season and we were still constantly conceding goals. Doesn't that tell you that our problem is structural and not just individualistic?

I believe that jorginho still has something to offer. He is a part of a unique puzzle that only a very good manager would see.
The bolded is not a lie. Jorginho has been a constant in midfield for 2 years until he got himself suspended just before lockdown, and Gilmour booted him out in just 2 games while he was suspended.

Lampard did not drop Jorginho, infact he continued leaving Jorginho as DM and pushed Kante forward to accommodate. Infact he even made Jorginho vice captain.

So yes, Jorginho has had 2 years of perfect conditions and has failed. Lampard like me, must have got fed up of the Jorginho project during December to February run, and ditched the project just from seeing the difference to Gilmour.

Yes, Jorginho made the most passes last season, but against who though? The Newcastles of this world. Time to face Man City and co, we got overran in midfield and trashed 6-0. Even Bournemouth figured him out, put David Brooks to press him, trashed him and hammered us 4-0.

Jorginho has failed. He's been given everything. He can't cut it against big clubs.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:27am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
Then why haven't we heard the term in football since the beginning of time?

Why isn't there an accurate metric for analyzing the so-called "escorting"?
How would you have a metric for an intangible quality?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:26am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
You dey mind am? Once he wants to discredit any midfielder, he would just start shouting escort, escort. This is the same thing he says for fabregas and Iniesta, now it's jorginho.
Correction. I never called Iniesta escort, I called him Eunuch for his inability to score or assist. He is far from an escort, he is a very good midfielder, I just don't believe in placing AM with such poor output as the best midfielder of his generation when I know if not for other people's goals that won him trophies, he will be just another good midfielder.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:18am On Jul 23, 2020
timbros:
Bring all the ratings in the world of football, Ibime must push his agenda...

I don't know when 'escorting' became a metric to measure a midfielder's game.

I don kuku comot mouth for the matter.
Escorting can be defined as failure in a midfielders bread and butter work of pressing opposition and tracking runners.

That's an important part of midfield play, don't you think?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:16am On Jul 23, 2020
airmark:
Alonso, Kepa and Jorginho should look for another team, next season. The trio are annoying to my eyes, the most. angry
And Christensen. I am even starting to prefer Rudiger to Chris. Both can go but if only one must go, it should be Chris.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 1:14am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
When i defend jorginho, I don't do it from a position of personal or emotional attachment. I am not someone who will praise someone today and castigate the person unfairly tomorrow. We Chelsea fans are famed for that. Look at courtois who we constantly bashed here as fans. Look at him now performing very well for the most prestigious club.

When we signed jorginho, we were happy here even though we knew he wasnt strong defensively. We knew what to expect in terms of controlling the midfield, We knew that he would have to be paired with a better hardworker like kante for our midfield to be efficient.

He is still acing his primary attributes which is dictating our attacks and controlling the midfield via passes. You constantly highlighting only his defensive errors is unfair, especially considering that we all knew this was never his strength.
We were all on the same page. The difference is knowing when to let go of dogma.

It is only worth carrying a defensive passenger if that guy can outpossess a Liverpool, Man City, Bayern Munich like Xavi or Xabi would do.

We did not buy Jorginho to increase our possession against Norwich from 65% to 70%. We will still beat Norwich with 65% possession that a Kante DM would bring, plus we'll have more defensive solidity.

Jorginho has not only failed in wrestling possession from other big teams but his defensive liability means we go into all big games now half expecting to lose. And if we do win, it's by parking the bus. . . which is not what we bought Jorginho for.

We will never be competitive in big games with Jorginho. It is better to have a workman like midfield like Liverpool that keep you in every game no matter the opponent than have a fake Xavi who loses you the big games before you step on the pitch, and can only form Xavi against Norwich

The Jorginho project has failed. He has nothing to offer that will be more successful than Kante, Kovacic and co playing their natural game. . . and nothing that should make us impede these other midfielders careers in order to create perfect conditions for Jorginho. He's had two years of perfect conditions. Gilmour booted him out with one performance. Thiago Alcantara showed in that midfield against Bayern that Jorginho is an Aba made playmaker, and Chelsea should not even think he is a playmaker to hinge success on against other heavyweights.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Nairaland Fantasy Premier League 2019/2020 by Ibime(m): 12:55am On Jul 23, 2020
iykmora:
now I am confused.
You done finally disappoint your fans. How will you not have TAA in your team?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 12:40am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
The use of a DM depends on the formation and system played. In a 343, what you have is two CM's who are flanked by wingbacks. The problem is that kovacic is quite bad at marking and ball recovery too, exposing the inadequacy of jorginho.
The problem we are having is that both of them are not complementing themselves at all. They are both poor without the ball thereby exposing us to dangerous counters.
In a midfield two, there is nothing like passenger. When one midfielder press the left side, the opponent switch ball across and the other midfielder has to press the rightside in tandem -like a pendulum, pressing from side to side. Nobody is there to cover the other person's laziness.

Kovacic was working for two men. This was exemplified in Liverpool's second goal where Kovacic had hounded Mane from LCM to RCM, and even hounded Mane into the path of Escortinho. All Escortinho needed to do was put his body across the ball and take it from Mane, but he failed to do that, forcing Kovacic to continue chasing Mane from behind back to LCM position (where he just chased him from), finally resulting in having to lunge at Mane from behind for the freekick.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 12:34am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
I have told you this before; no player is complete or without shortcomings, that's why football is a team sports.

For jorginho to be highly rated by most reliable sports outlet indicate that he did a lot if things right. His midfield partner is supposed to cover for his errors, and the ratings and stats show that he was sub-par behind jorginho.
Why then are you blaming jorginho alone?

Kovacic conceded two of the fouls that led to goals and was carded which has become a staple feature of his game but I don't see you hounding him the way you do to jorginho.
it's clear you have an agenda against the guy like you did with Drogba, Iniesta and fabregas.
These are not qualitative ratings, these are compilation of statistics with no human input and there is no statistic for escorting which is our main grouse with Jorginho.

Yes, I have an agenda against the guy - my agenda is that my football club can never compete at top level with such escort, same as everyone else on this thread except you and Timbros. Even BlueAngel don switch camp within a week.

We already know Timbros is a faithful person so we can excuse him. Just like he held on to Morata till the day Morata left. Don't be like Timbros.

BlueAngel444:
Jorginho beginning of season would have made that tackle and collected the card. It seems he really want to leave Chelsea. Honestly it's like he is doing it purposely. Mehn the board should do the needful, he is a good player but all he is good for now is cash to get other players. Like how Oscar became
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 12:18am On Jul 23, 2020
kingBolton:
I know our defence is bad, but kepa makes them look worse.
He doesn't command his box, he is also one of our problem with set piece
I'm sure he makes them at least 50% worse than they should be.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 12:16am On Jul 23, 2020
donjazet:
Tell that to all the professional football analysts and statisticians who have rated jorginho as one of our best performers today, even above kovacic.
Your agenda must agendate.

You are quick to point out his errors but blind to the way he orchestrated most of our attacks from the base, constantly switching plays to both ends and creating spaces for other attackers. You have to look at the player objectively and not from your prejudiced lens.

Go and argue with opta, whoscored, skysports and other reliable outlets that rated jorginho well. You are obviously more professional than them.
These ratings are tallied on tangible statistics - passes made, tackles made, key passes, dribbles completed, goals, assists etc

One thing they don't measure is escorting - knowing that a player should be in a certain position at a certain time is something a computer can never tell you.

The computer probably even counted Escortinhos attempted block on Robertson as just a missed interception, while we count it as an egregious error.

This is what humans think of your computer rating

kingBolton:
Jorginho rated higher than kovacic
The jokes write themselves
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 12:03am On Jul 23, 2020
kingBolton:
https://twitter.com/Mick_Z04/status/1286051308739399681?s=19[/quote]Thank you for this. I was looking for the video.

Everyone should watch this video and see how the defence was screaming at Kepa to come for a cross.

They were screaming like they want to beat him sef.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 11:55pm On Jul 22, 2020
NinjaMetahuman:
Eating shit is the only thing the fool is good at.
The real Rimlord
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 11:54pm On Jul 22, 2020
chidexxy007:
Gentle reminder: Kepa signed a 7years deal

5 more to go, no forces against him shall prosper grin grin
[img]https://media./images/482b1c5415f3809d76153447ea2dedb5/tenor.gif[/img]
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 11:41pm On Jul 22, 2020
BTW, Lampard should not dare start Kepa next game.

See the way the defence were screaming at him to come and collect an easy cross into the 6 yard box in the end.

Any cross, corner or freekick into the box, Kepa will just tell the defence, you are on your own.

As rubbish as Caballero is, he does not spread such amount of nervousness through the defence in such situations.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 11:05pm On Jul 22, 2020
swiz123:
Those who didn't see how useless Jorginho is are not good football analyst.

I didn't see anything difference between Jorginho and a camera man today. He went about following Liverpool plays just to capture all the action.

Do you really think Mane would have gotten far if Kante was there especially after Kovacic was hounding him? Although Kovacic didn't foul him, but Kante would have easily finished the job Kovacic started.

Then came the last goal. Jorginho repeated the same thing he did against Sheffield. He was again bulldozed over by a smaller Robertson when he could have easily taken a yellow card for us. Kante would have easily stopped Robertson.

Jorginho is too weak to be a footballer.
Please teach Donjazet and Timbros the role of a midfielder.

After Kovacic had hounded Mane into the path of Jorginho, any average midfielder steps across Mane and collects that ball but not our cameraman escort who Mane just went by, forcing Kovacic into a dangerous lunge from behind that midfielders should not be making, simply because his partner cannot do his fücking job. Free kick or no free kick, central midfielders should not be making lunge from behind in that central position but Kovacic was forced to do so because of the uselessness of Jorginho.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 11:03pm On Jul 22, 2020
Sulele04:
i dont really blame you and timbros, you dont know what is called dm.
ampadu in that dm role we would have won the game.
backpassginho is not physical, nor fast, nor tenative. At fault for wijnaldum goal( ball watching, poor reaction) at fault for ox goal.
without these errors we would have won.
i know for sure he wont be at chelsea next season
Donjazet and Timbros don't know midfield play.

I say it loud and clear here and now, without blaming anyone - any decent midfielder in place of Jorginho and the 1st, 2nd and 5th goals will not have happened.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 11:01pm On Jul 22, 2020
donjazet:
It's not just a question of emotion, it seems you don't know his modus operandi. Once he hates a player, he would always find a way to pin our loss on the player. There have been a lot of games this season that jorginho did not play, yet we conceded a lot of goals, left to him, he would find a way to still blame it on jorginho.

Once he hates a player, this is how he acts.
I only hate players who are detrimental to my team especially escort midfielders.

I will be back tomorrow in the cold light of day to show you why with video analysis tomorrow.

Goodnight!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:31pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
Abeg which keeper you wan see next season? That's my main concern.

Pope? Onana? Henderson? Oblak might be too expensive.

I finally finally give up on Kepa tonight.
Timbros!

The thunder wey Atum go use fire you this night ehn.

You were the last to give up on Morata.

Na just today today you dey give up on Kepa.

Are you waiting till 2023 to give up on Escortinho?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:23pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
grin grin

Take it easy bro...

Barkley can't play 343. Unless we revert to 433.
Even if na to convert Tammy to DM, we go do am. Your escort must not play on Sunday!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:21pm On Jul 22, 2020
kingBolton:
That fifth goal was very avoidable
Just take a fucking yellow card for the team but the slow poke will rather chase behind like a kid left behind by the school bus
Robertson did not run around that fücking escort. Robertson ran THROUGH him, and the 12 year old boy just gave way.

I will be back later tomorrow with video analysis to show how useless that fool was for the the 1st, 2nd and 5th goals. None of them would have happened with a midfielder with just 50% pace and 50% strength rating on FIFA.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:17pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
grin grin grin

I think say if you vex, you for come my house slap me.

You didn't see Mount disasterclass in the game. You didn't see Kepa drinking goals like akamu. No, it's Jorginho's fault for all goals conceded.
Whatever is worrying Kante hamstring, they better fix it by Sunday. If they can't fix it, they should convert Kova to DM and pair him with Barkley.

I don't want to see that fücking escort on the pitch against Wolves.

Fück you and goodnight!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:09pm On Jul 22, 2020
cole01:
Bros all this talk, so what is Jorginhos job on the pitch then, to complete the team listhuh
No mind Timbros. Jorginho job on the pitch must be to ghost and be always absent
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:08pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
And if you vex, wetin go happen?

That VVD miss just now na still Jorginho fault.
Fück you bro!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:03pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
Yea, Jorginho lost the ball for the counter, right? Jorginho left Ox unmarked, right?

Abegi.
You must be blind. Any fucking midfielder brushes Robertson off the ball or takes yellow there. No vex me today bros.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:01pm On Jul 22, 2020
airmark:
Jorginho na idiot. Kill that attack there.
According to Timbros, that goal has nothing to do with the bloody escort

timbros:
5th goal.

Jorginho's fault again.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 10:01pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
I'll be waiting.
Do you need video analysis to see how Robertson just blew past him or are you blind?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 9:59pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
It shouldn't be that way.

Criticise based on the situation at hand. None of the two goals you blamed on Jorginho was actually his fault. Willian lost the ball in a dangerous position. Referee made a wrong call.
When I criticise, it is out of love for my team and our ability to be successful going forward.

Now you can see your fücking escort Jorginho finally killed the game against Robertson.

That's my third black mark against him today.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 9:55pm On Jul 22, 2020
Those guys blowing knockout outside the stadium are actually helping Chelsea cos they are putting Liverpool players in party mood rather than focussing on the game.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 9:47pm On Jul 22, 2020
Is there hope?

CHO, Pulisic and Tammy have given us a completely different dimension
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Ibime(m): 9:47pm On Jul 22, 2020
timbros:
It shouldn't be that way.

Criticise based on the situation at hand. None of the two goals you blamed on Jorginho was actually his fault. Willian lost the ball in a dangerous position. Referee made a wrong call.
He could have prevented both whether you like it or not.

When time is right, I will get you video analysis

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