₦airaland Forum

tlann:
what about water and electricity supply

what about them? Abuja has adequate water supply, and unlike most parts of Nigeria enjoys steady electricity.

rvp20183:
Why is gov building centenary city.Why is Abuja rank amongst the worst cities to live in.Why have slums cropped out all over the city.Its a failure.

The FG is not and I repeat is NOT building centenary city or any other city for that matter, which is why planned cities in nigeria are developing faster than that of Kenya

tlann:
maybe abuja beats mombasa in population nothing else and how is abuja better than mombasa

Abuja City is better planned, well maintained even though it's bigger than Mombasa. Forget the skylines, compare the street level pictures.

tlann:
abuja is a white elephant

How is it a white elephant. Was is it not built? Are people not living there? Was it abandoned? Does the Federal government struggle to maintain it? How is it a white elephant?

NairobiWalker:
You can't compare a city with culture with a soulless city like Abuja.

Because a city is hustling and beehive of activities does not mean it's better than a city that is calm and serene. If so then Mombasa is better than Washington because Washington have been described as soulless sometimes.

The only thing I will concede is Mombasa has more high rise buildings than Abuja. But it's more difficult to judge seeing that Abuja is five times bigger than Mombasa.

jaycent:
Abuja

what I like in Abuja that is not present in Lagos is the GREEN, Abuja so fresh wallahi

TMKsouth:
Okay,

There are only 999 999.

Prove? Source?

TMKsouth:
Come to think of it...

NTA (Channel 299 for those who want to have a good laugh) is the digital equivalent of the calibre of the ONE MILLION Nigerians in SA. Very poor quality.

You still haven't prove that their are one million Nigerians in SA, or do you like inflating the numbers so that you'll have the excuse of "they are stealing our jobs and women" narrative?

TMKsouth:
ROK & Spice also sitting precariously.

Their only saviour will be the 1 million Nigerians refugee-ing in SA. (Millions more throughout the continent). NIGERIA: net exporter of refugees & economic migrants).

The country with highest number of Nigerian immigrants is the United States and they are not up to 1million. So I will to know where you get your 1 million Nigerians in SA from.

TMKsouth:
Not true. DSTV has regional channels. Most of your content is limited to West Africa. Go ask EbonyLife TV (big flop in Southern & East Africa),they were sent packing bck to 9ja. I suspect same will happen with this new NTA. Most definitely worst News channel on the planet.

you said not true and at the same time admit that Nigerian channels are there in eastern and Southern Africa but were sent packing and another Nigerian channel (NTA) replaces it.

Agreed. Even in Nigeria here, NTA is a laughing stock.

On planned cities, construction on Enyimnba Economic to begin Q1 2019

https://m.guardian.ng/business-services/enyimba-economic-city-project-begins-q1-2019-to-create-625-000-jobs/

All this talk on women is really tiring. Words like beautiful, handsome, ugly, are relative. What you call beauty I call ugly, what I call ugly you call beautiful. Just let it go.

rvp20183:
Next Up KONZA TECHNOPOLIS - This GOV funded technology city - the Silicon Sahara.

Horizontal infrastructure and Project Tower ongoing.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2018/12/11/1864184.jpg?itok=o6EOzI8f

@bolded is why that project is moving at snail pace, eko, orange, centenary, enyimnba, periwinkle are all PRIVATELY funded. If Kenyan govt should wash it's hands off that project, it will move faster. (my opinion)

tlann:
okay but if don't know something ask stop making ignorant remarks here and do you know why south africa struggles to set foot in kenya and hits a jackpot in nigera

South Africa always finds it hard go break into the Kenyan market, can you tell me why, genuinely curious not bashing.

tlann:
you are mad ??!!! which arable land whites in kenya live in laikipia google the climate of laikipia arabs in the kenyan coast are kenyans so what are talking about i told you know nothing about Kenya are you okay ??!! which somalis somalis are among the poorest tribe in kenya kikuyus dominate nairobi if you want a good example of being dominated it is you south africa dominates your economy and they kill your brothers in s.a and you can do nothing about it and who owns eko atlantic i told you stop removing a speck from your brother's eye while you have a log in your eye anyway it is not my fault nigeria is not racial diverse in Kenya we have cushites ( oromo somali borana gabra) bantus ( kikuyu luhya kisii kamba meru embu mijikenda pokomo etc ) nilotes ( luo kalenjin turkana etc) arabs at the coast are kenyans so as indians if you want indians go kisumu they are plenty

South Africa does not dominate Nigerian economy. Yes they have MTN, shop rite, DsTV but I wouldn't call that "domination". If MTN should leave Nigerian market today, others will fill in their spot.

MTN needs Nigeria more than Nigeria needs MTN, not an idle boast.

DsTV unwittingly promotes nollywood and Nigerian music, When DsTV came to Nigerian market, 70%pct of their content was South African until we protest, now Nigerian channels dominate DsTV because they have to cater for one of their largest market.

rvp20183:
Pictures of Tatu City - 2.5B dollars project - full-contained city - with residential, industrial, business and commercial areas.
https://i.imgur.com/cJ7kmgkh.jpg
Residential - low rise

https://i.imgur.com/55DP7w7h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3jQ4AWJh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GKESfWCh.jpg
Residential high rises
https://i.imgur.com/XyjOvEGh.jpg

Industries.
https://i.imgur.com/vRsPrDeh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cN1OQMph.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ApgypOrh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ANcEYVFh.jpg

Schools
NOVA
[img]https://i.imgur.com/vouBugch.jpgp[/img]
https://i.imgur.com/jUKarmKh.jpg
Crawford
https://i.imgur.com/AoHMzZSh.jpg

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forgiveness:
Konza city since it was inaugurated in 2011, no single one bedroom apartment has been constructed. What is happening?

Konza city was announced way back in 2006/2007, eko 2010, reclaimed land, finished horizontal structures, and three towers completed, 5 more topped out. Nigeria (NIGERIA not LAGOS) is on steroids too but it's buildings are spread out between Lagos, Abuja, PH, Enugu, Calabar, KD, and other cities unlike Kenya where it's either Nairobi or Mombasa. Since the end 2008 financial crisis, Construction in Nigeria has been growing 9.5% yearly.

tlann:
northland city was announced last year Kenya is very corrupt but not as corrupt as Nigeria if you know Kenya too well there is anti corruption war going on not the buhari one this is for real

Perception does not equate reality. I use to think Nigeria is more corrupt than Kenya. Guess what I just checked transparency international corruption perception index aaaaand Nigeria rank above Kenya

rvp20183:
You're talking six desolate towers - that are probably un-occupied. Yeah it similar to Konza city (1 tower now). It far behind Tatu City & Northland City.
Look at Nairobi - new CBD - Westland and Upperhill - that didn't exist when Eko City started. The picture doesn't include OLD CBD. Majority of those high rises have been building the last decade - and lot more are underway - the same period Eko City started.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1931/31305020637_b47991eb5d_o.jpg

It's not a planned city though, many high rises have been built in since eko started.
Show us pictures of progress made in northland city.

And your president is building a city of sh500billion while STILL IN OFFICE and you are cheering him on. Un.fvcking.believable.
No wonder Kenya ranked so low on corruption perception index.

Nigeria is corrupt, yes, but at least we don't sit and fold our hands.

rvp20183:
It a slowly day so let me respond to the resident idiot.

You can even aim for New York & Tokyo - why settle for Dubai in your dreamworld - but 4yrs from now - you'll have two desolate towers. Eko in started in 2008/2009 - and now it mere two towers completed.

When this thread started 2yrs ago - it was still 2 towers - and in 4yrs - we will still be talking 2 or 4 towers completed.

And note Eko City is very tiny - 5kms squared.

And 2yrs ago - This one Chinese investor had not started his SIX TOWERS in westland Nairobi - and now they are soon to be complete and occupied.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4906/44297673770_bc19219f81_o.jpg

Say what you want to about eko, perception is different from reality.
All these pictures are from 2017/2018.
It clearly shows more than TWO towers

You are free to post pictures of your konza city

NairobiWalker:
You don't know the basics either. GDP per capita alone doesn't measure the wealth of a country. We also have something called HDI which is a much better method.

No HDI measures human development like lifespan, illiteracy access to health care e.t.c not economic wealth. Qatar is richer than the United States but US ranks high on HDI. In short hdi measures the quality of life, you can be worth 50,000 in Qatar but a person worth 10,000 will have a better life.

rvp20183:
I am not saying. Your data is saying. Gov revenues are 90%(used to be 99%) from oil. Your exports are 99% OIL. You still import what you imported 30yrs ago - refined oil & food. If you economy had changed in structure - from oil dependency - to well diversified sectors - we would be talking something else.

2010: A household of 5 spends 5dollar to buy water a day.

2011: a farmer joined the household, he provides you with a cup of rice per day. total 6

2012: an electrician joined, you stopped hiring electrician to fix your problems. total 7

2013: a baker joined, he provides you with a loaf of bread per day. total 8

2018: the household now spends 8dollar a day for water, will you say the structure is still same? Productivity increased, yes or no.

Will you still value the house as you will in 2010.

The fact that Nigeria still imports food and oil does NOT mean the structure is still the same as 1970

Again any Nigerian worth anything between the ears knows Nigeria need to diversify it's economy, nobody has ever argued against that.

NairobiWalker:
Nobody has denied Nigeria as Africa's largest economy. What we disagree is Nigeria being the richest country in Africa. There's a difference - most of you Nigerians don't seem to understand the difference.

Anybody that says Nigeria is the richest country in Africa doesn't know the basics of economics. GDP per capita is the acceptable method use in ranking how rich a country is and Nigeria ranks 15 or 16 on that index.

Still above Kenya

NairobiWalker:
It's the same statisticians for Kenya right? Is it interesting how you're the first ones to rub into our faces how these statisticians rank your GDP as the largest in Africa yet disown them when they tell you that you have the largest poor population in Africa? . Please, don't make me call you a hypocrite again dear.

And also how you guys are quick to disrepute that Nigeria is Africa's largest economy but quick to agree it has the largest number poor people. it can go both ways.

rvp20183:
Exactly. The whole re-basing from 150B to 550B was a huge lie. They need to re-base again back to reality. Yes Nigeria had not rebased for long time - but the structure of nigerian economy has not changed since 1970s when Oil killed all the sectors.

Conspiracy theorist much?

So you are saying our economic structure is the same as 1970? There is no reasoning with you.

rvp20183:
Your telecommunication services - that is just 8.5B dollars worth or less per annum - tops 10B dollars. Nollywood - like seriously - entertainment is now a sector you want hinge the economy on . I have heard it employ 1M people . Nigerian gots jokes.

The reality is yours is OIL dependant economy. Ignore Yemi Kale nonsense. If oil prices today come down to 20 dollars per barrel - you'll literally see blood..and nigeria gov will be overthrown..if it goes to 10 dollars a barrel...civil war will start.

You economy is OIL. The rest are nonsensical lies.

So what are you saying, that NBS lied to Nigerians, World Bank, IMF and the world at large?

kikuyu1:
AAAARRRRGGGHHH!! Nigga,we thoroughly destroyed those delusions months ago and enjoyed many many laughs. We can't go back there!

Which delusions?

rvp20183:
This is why Nigeria GDP is cooked. It just doesn't make sense. So how can an industry that contributes 8% of GDP contribute 90% of the gov revenues. You've got an aggresive FIRS and several S-IRS trying to desperately collect taxes.

How can whole economy (sector by sector) get into a recession when 8% of the sector is having trouble. Reading your GDP composition - it very similar to kenya - it appears diversified - but it's NOT RESILIENT. A diversified economy like kenya is very resilient because no one sector can bring it down. A primitive OIL based economy like Nigeria is just moving along with oil prices.

The reality is that OIL is Nigeria main sector of the economy. The rest are the lies of Yemi Kale your Gen Stats Officer.

Nollywood, telecommunication did not go into recession though, in fact 2016 is one of the most successful year for nollywood. And no firs became aggressive during and after the recession, before recession government does not pay much attention to revenue generating agencies like firs, customs e.t.c. they only paid attention to nnpc. Which is why some can steal billions of naira with ease. Now firs and customs are setting records for revenues collected.

That being said, I agree with you. Nigeria is vulnerable to oil prices.

rvp20183:
Nigeria economy=Nigeria gov revenues.

I swear you don't know the first thing about economics. Oil account for almost 90pct of government revenue, when oil price crash, government have no money to spend, if for any reason today a government of ANY country should be denied 90pct of its revenue, that country will have a negative growth.

Jonraid:
Prove and come with stats that Nigeria's entertainment industry is the biggest in the continent

Please, don't start this, you will lose.

abbeg:
I just came across this topic and I have to confirm it Kenya is better than Nigeria but not in all aspects.yes Kenya is finer and richer but one thing Nigeria beats Kenya and Africa in general is entertainment.I have to say it,other African countries are EXTREMELY DRY when it comes to entertainment (especially SA)and Nigeria seems to use this to be one step ahead of them.In my opinion the only good entertainer outside naija is nasty c and maybe Trevor Noah(but he is whitewashed and so doesn't count)apart from that the rest of Africa isn't something to write home about.Even individual Nigerians are funnier than there African counterparts (read S.A. joke you will understand).The time I watched 'you got got S.A. 'I felt like getting up,burning my tv, and cleansing my brain of such dryness.So to cut things short if naija should become dry we are doomed cos most of our 'competition' is league's ahead of us.Simple.

gdp per capita (not GDP ALONE) is the international approved metric on how to calculate how wealthy a country, and Nigeria ranks above Kenya, though not by much

rvp20183:
Maybe you can show us one with qualified acceptance. Nigeria would be a perfect candidate. IMF offers technical assistance but how you use it is upto you.

Oil is you only true industry. That is why you catch recession when oil prices drop.

As for services sector - we have gone thro it sector to sector - and we have compared to kenya - at best your service industry is twice kenya - and at times even less than kenya. Our GDP is 90B dollars. Your's right now has come down to 350B or so...but in reality it should be about twice kenya plus OIL.

You must be kidding when you talk about Brazil GDP. Nigeria economy is simple. It export crude oil and import food & refined oil. It second or first importer of wheat, rice and name it.

I'll ignore your ignorance on brazil agri - you agri is not even at kenya or south africa level - maybe you do really good with yams, cassava and such tubers - but outside that - you are nothing.

Nigeria went into recession because oil is where government get it's revenue not because it affects the GDP. Nigeria ranks first in Africa in agricultural output and sixth in the world. I have shown you how to calculate worth of sectors but you chose to ignore it. Nigeria imports agricultural products because even though we produce much, it's not enough to feed 190million people.

If you insist that Kenyan agric sector is bigger than Nigeria, then tell me how many metric tonnes of rice, beans, yam, cassava, Sesame seed, other agric stuffs does Kenya produce every year