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TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 1:32pm On May 04, 2019
Hadampson:
And dem go allow you carry a bag of gaari enter the plane grin
I don't think so

The day i would leave Nigeria for Germany, i would make sure i buy 12 packets of Maggi cos e be like say oyibo no dey eat Maggi like that
12 packets of maggi?? shocked won't they spoil?! The stuff go last wella,, besides, no be everytime you go dey cook na
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m):
ibrahimovic303:
Let’s hit the road.....Coachie your loyal boy dey come through
See as road empty.. Na only Presidential / NASS elections dey keep people indoors and cars off the roads for Naija
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 12:47pm On May 04, 2019
Hadampson:
Lol... I no dey beg them boss

Na she wan help me willingly based on the fact that we have a mutual understanding.
Okay na...
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 2:15am On May 04, 2019
Hadampson:
Poland no dey my list. I can only go there for vacation.

Everything is against me bro. E con be like say village people dey follow me about embarassed

My Canadian wan help but she got herself in a mess, American babe nko, she wan enter college so she dey hustle for money.... Germans are the craziest i swear

Austrians no dey reply me at all

Dem dey fear Nigerian... I met one today, half German half American, immediately i told her am from Nigeria, she no dey reply me again

This thing don tire me i swear and i no wan lie
Most of these foreigners never even see blacks one on one before. Either dem watch Tv or dem hear tori wey dey fly for air. Shey na for that Germany thread wey one 9ja guy say him go one interior village like that shaa for Germo,, say those villagers shock as dem see Nigerian for the first time, at first fear catch dem but las las dem come dey play with am.

Na we Nigerians use our hands cast ourselves. Oyinbo go come dey compare us with Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and those other war torn countries.

Chai see my country wey God bless with natural and mineral resources don cast finish...

Baba no beg dem for assistance again before they go tag you that yeye name "scammer." Majority of them see all Nigerians as scam lords.
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 5:20pm On May 02, 2019
Goztino:
I no use 1000 euro bro, I used the average of 400 and 1000 euros which are the two figures mentioned and the average is 700 euro.
Then coming to flight, it depends on your location. Some part like Nuremberg and Hannover even cost more than 300k sef depending on airline.
A bag of garri, dried Egusi, palmoil, salt, Ogbonor, dried fish and okporoko, Abacha etc (I for put ogiri shaa but make I just leave am to avoid public disgrace) coupled with all these shoes and clothes go near 70k.

my figures na just rough estimate not the exact figure. I never even travel pass Nigeria before grin
Baba you say bag of garri?? How you wan take package and carry am??
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 4:12pm On May 02, 2019
pompido:
I am greatly pleased to be on this thread and actually read from the very first page

Quite educative and brings back a flood of memories. We thank God for grace.

All questions asked and answers given (sliding tackles and all grin) are great learning curves for all.

My summary....

Landed October 3rd 2015.....Digital Communications in CAU Kiel. Took the first lecture and knew it wasn't for me. Told the profs so and opted out of the program (was still registered of course and was attending the german class provided by the school and intensive language class with VHS at the same time (register with VHS in your city within your first year to get a good rebate (up to 50% off) you can select a start date months away).

Switched to Information Engineering in FH Kiel the following summer (March 2016), did multiple jobs while studying (Printing presses, Cruise ships, Umzug, Chinese Restaurant. etc. cry cry cry Man hustle oooo....days of 12hrs straight jobs 4 times a week and top it with a 13hrs shift on Sundays embarassed
I was actually doing good in school but learning the language suffered as I couldn't fit it in the calamitous schedule I was running (I did attend intensive classes later though).

Then I got a rude awakening grin grin grin, I visited my naija university mate in Berlin working for Bombardier at the time and immediately knew I was wasting my time with the lager jobs I thought was giving me money. I needed to look at the bigger picture. Got back from Berlin and applied to Allianz Technology in Munich for internship, I got in and all of a sudden was making more working 9-5pm (own office with perks, fantastic international team and exposure into the professional world in Germany) than i was doing working 12hrs (4times a week) plus 13hrs on sundays. All, while doing professional work and improving my professional profile.

I was at Allianz Technology for 1yr & 3months (finished my master project and thesis) and got 2 full time offers before I was done with my master study in October of 2018.


My advice, do what you have to do to survive out here (legally of course). Make sure you pick the right course and if you find yourself in a jam with your choice course, be open to changing. Do not worry about hustling, it is not going to be at the top of your priorities when you actually settle and draw those priorities. Especially if you are looking at the bigger picture. Work will always be available, whether in your city or outside but believe me when I say you will be alright and find a way as everyone before you have done.

Learn the language grin grin

Before you leave Nigeria or wherever you are based, set your goals (minimum and maximum), have unbelievably high expectations but also psych yourself up for the very worst case scenario so that wherever you find yourself, you would be mentally grounded to face the music and sing out loud because darkness lasts just the night, light comes with the break of dawn.

God bless our dreams and make our strives abundantly fruitful...
Thanks for this Pompido...

But some persons do say a student isn't expected to work for more than 20 hours/week because it is the rule in DE, it seem you worked more than the stated number of hours. Please could you share your thought on this.
TravelRe: New Face Of Abeokuta City Centre (Photos) by IchBinBrait(m): 10:13am On May 02, 2019
Elemosho478:
You can not deceive me bro, you are a shameless Igbo that is ashame of your origin, impersonating Yoruba on this forum
But bros why are you looking for trouble like this...?!
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 12:06am On May 02, 2019
Philfit:
SooCute’s Advice as of Winter 2018

I'd count it "Sinful" to migrate to DE and completely ignore this house that made me. This is my base.
Yes i'm still in my first month anyway. So i'm pretty new here.

I came here because i got a few stuffs to share...just for those who didn't know already.

1. When you enter here with Block Account, Anybody that is legal and works in Europe can give you Support letter for preceding extensions/renewal . Yes. You don't necessarily need someone who lives and works in DE for that.
NB: This is the case in Bayern where i study and live....

2. Before you come here......L E A R N G E R M A N. Not as if you will die if you don't.
But imagine being hungry and don't know how to order for food?
Imagine not being able to read signs like "Entrance and Exit, Rauche oder nicht Rauche?" the list is endless...
Imagine being in a train but don't know how to tell someone to remind you when you get to your station? Because the "computer" announcing Bahnhoffs says it in German!
Imagine stepping on someone but can't say "tut mir sehr leid"?
Imagine missing your way (Which is common) and don't know how to ask or take directions? You can't yell bro..
Imagine going to grocery stores and don't even know how to ask where you can find certain thing? Or you can't read or guess-read what's on label? Your mom wouldn't be there to savage. But once you can say "Entschuldigung Sie" a typicall Deustche will reply "Bitte" then you wrap German. It might take a little for you to hear their own German, but at least, you can express yourself with your crude german and they can understand you....that's communication grin


3. Most of the time, the people that discriminate you (Racist) are not Germans. I can bet my rent on this. Other nationalities who came as you came do! Germans are pretty simple people from my experience. They are supper warm and welcoming....Always asking "Was kann ich fur Sie tun? Brauchen Sie hilfe?

4. If you are like us that have finished school many years and starting over....mehn....start reading again. Re-activate your brain. I mean, read reasonable stuffs that really revamps your brain. Not some Instagram posts. You need to come up to par. It will help you when you come here.

5. Normally, what's actually different is "Method". The lecturers here are fast...kinda. But you'll be fine trust me. If a dumb ass like me can answer questions in Maths, Physics and Statistics classes (Even though i had a HND in Mechanical Engineering from home) while those whites mop at me, then you should do better. Key: Don't be intimidated, don't be proud either. All of us de hustle.

6. If you are coming here with SL, Come with money that can sustain yo for some months, couple of winter suits (If you are coming during winter) and food!
Yes. I regretted buying clothes from Nigeria. It's personal. Though a bit expensive (Even though there are cheap stores), stuffs here are of standard. But imagine me coming here with no single maggi cube? I burnt cash already on food since i came.
It will take you little time to discover the economic way of feeding here especially if you are like me who doesn't have someone here to show me the way....

7. Be nice. Don't spoil the reputation of Nigerians. If you do, they will reduce our slots and God no go forgive you.
Here.....things work. The system is organized and kinda of ordered.
Germans are courteous and sehr nett. Don't come here and block another person future abeg. Don't be notorious. Its nobody's business you Say?, Hell no! It's our business how you behave. Save the innocent Nigerians reputation.


8. Studying Engineering and trying to hammer at the same sequence is almost too hard. You go fail for class. Take it easy. Don't come with high-false-hopes of "Once i enter, i am hammer grin".Tell those you borrowed from to chill a while biko.
What you can earn here is about 450 Euro per Month which can cater for your basic needs...as poor man wey i be. Once you finish and land a job.....then yo can Ronaldo all you can.

9. Get prepared for the hustle. It's not what you see in pictures. Get your mind prepared. Come prepared. No one has your time here. No one cares about your show-off. Even the Mercedes that dropped me from train station to my place was intimidating. Cars are toys here unlike in 9ja.


10. About chasing women or men.... well, i haven't seen any woman yet that can take my baby's place. As long as it lasts...i will try and control myself. Ain't marrying any shitty white wife even though i am still single. It's my choice and its very possible to stay sane. Girls will kinda be nice to you (what we call green light in Nigeria) but that does not necessarily translate to them rushing you.. nahhhh. But sha if you don't have a babe down here that loves you and you love back...don't commit yourself yet. Reason is...once you land here, your taste for woman go change and almost any 9ja babe you toast with plus+four+nine dialing code go gree... u see? But sha the winter is real mehn....Chukwunna biko!

10. Pls share your experience here. Let us have many Nigerians here....the more the merrier!
I didn't have anyone pick me from Frankfurt....so that was the first point of "This is Lagos" in Germany.
I had to find my way anyway... imagine i couldn't say poo in german? habatically grin grin grin
I learnt german on my own anyway... i got books and audios. Don't use "Geothe is far" as an excuse. Find someone to speak to. Ignore translators...(i have my reasons.) It's better to start learning by speaking nonsense than using translators.. find someone who can learn with you or speak with you.
Find and join German learners group on Facebook,...use your spare times productively instead of watching unclad women on Insta or trying to impress your Hushpuppi (for ladies) or Kimkardianshan (for guys) with poses and posts (I am saying this to those whose passion is strong about migrating and surviving here). Set your priorities and take it one at a time. Surely when you come here...you will change..positively (maybe). You'd become more simple and more open...

Its really irrational to blame Nigerians. Youths especially. What we are or have today as Nigerians was what was made available to us and what we were exposed to. Things are really shitty in Nigeria. Come here and refine your mind. Come here and become better. Nigerians are strong people. We've learned to survive the impossible. I can't imagine spending about 30years of my life only in Nigeria and Africa....


You have the right to thrash this....It's 100% your freedom.

Alles gute.
This is one of the best write-ups I have ever read on this thread.

SooCute broke it down with sincerity, free from pessimism. Set your priorities right; balance study and work. To the unreasonable ones- Try not to exceed the work hours allocated to you. Don't make the Government of Germany blacklist Nigeria because of your greed. Graduate first then you will have unlimited access to any job of your choice" Point number 7 is an eye opener.

@Philfit thanks for sharing!!
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 5:15pm On May 01, 2019
Hadampson:
•Rugen island

•Munich

•Berlin

•Dresden

•Cologne

•Heidelberg

•Lubeck

•Neuschwanstein

Romantic Rhine

•Leipzig
Sister Stenon please and please don't forget to visit the emboldened cuz it will be as the name suggests. You'll certainly enjoy your vacation. Trust Hadampson! grin cheesy
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 5:05pm On May 01, 2019
Hadampson:
Boss, if you really wanna learn German, DUOLINGO is not for you. Download busuu instead. I'm sure by the time you finish the A1 level on the application, you will be able to converse very well in German. School workload is preventing me from following it step by step.
Danke mein Bruder,, I will check it out!


Fapper lives in Berlin. He always advised people to choose institutions in Berlin. Yes, Berlin has alot of opportunities based on the fact that it is the capital city.
Alright, thanks baba!
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 1:10pm On May 01, 2019
Hadampson:
I don't know because am not in DE yet.


Let's the bosses give you their opinions on which one is better

dolpaz
Femo86
Berliner
IAmPhiL
Willy2000
Pompido
Eke40seven
Obiwannn
Ottersberger
Hadassake
SoCute
Why didn't you mention my moniker here.. Don't you know my spirit is in Deutschland although my body is here in Lagos. grin My brother i'm still in Nigeria cuz of lack of €uros for the compulsory Blocked Account. That money is on the high side!

Las las e go better!

Meanwhile am learning the language small-small shaa with Duolingo. I'm not into IT, my areas are Accounting & Business Studies, I don't need to be told that knowledge of the language is paramount.

We NIGERIANS need cooperation just like Indians in diaspora. You hardly see any Indian who complain in any country in the world. They usually help themselves to get jobs and other opportunities
You are right bro.. I do follow some of them on social media and I must tell you they look after each other's back. I have heard some Nigerians in diaspora say fellow Nigerians do hoard information and they possess the "I don't care" attitude. Well... I dunno how true but I believe these negative traits shouldn't be found in us.

Hadampson do you have more info about this bruder below, as regards to his city/school??

TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 8:50am On May 01, 2019
ibrahimovic303:
That one nor be wahala..! Lol.. grin well my Estonian friend been help me change am for free, i sha buy am pack of Karhu (a Finnish beer) grin in return
Chai... grin grin Lolzz
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Polaris Bank Graduate Trainee Recruitment 2019 by IchBinBrait(m): 10:40pm On Apr 28, 2019
Amwitty:
I made a 2:1, am 23 and i was not shortlisted. I just gv up on dz country
It is well my sister... We will survive!!!
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 5:18pm On Apr 28, 2019
Hadampson:
Kiel at night cool
Baba you are the only one uploading pictures and you ain't in DE yet.

You deserve some accolades!!
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 4:35pm On Apr 28, 2019
Nice pictures Mr Ibra.. Mehnn see how clean the surroundings are. You don't wanna show us the interior of your house grin

Please do change your car tyres asap.
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 4:31pm On Apr 28, 2019
Hadampson:
That's good. You know, i thought the 3 cats are her children. You sabi oyibo and their crazy lifestyle grin
Baba crazy lifestyle na understatement. Anything is possible with the whites, they can even will their properties to their pets than their biological children.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Polaris Bank Graduate Trainee Recruitment 2019 by IchBinBrait(m): 12:55pm On Apr 27, 2019
Ofonodomatt:
Is there any one from delta who receive invite?
Also are there 2:2 candidates who got the invite?
Best wishes to all who were shortlisted!
I'm a 2.2 graduate (based in Lagos),, I fit in perfectly for this job i.e I uploaded all the required documents and my age hasn't exceeded the required age, still I didn't get the invite. They should have been specific by saying the opening is only for First-class and 2.1 graduates..

First bank did something similar few months ago.

It is well!
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 11:02pm On Apr 22, 2019
hustleranthem:
I need to join una for Europe soon. Na Masters u dey go for? I wan just start with any small Europe country first
Small countries plenty na... Even Luxembourg na small country (Germany neighbours). She is really peaceful but there is a hiccup:

The country is way too expensive to live in..
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 10:53pm On Apr 22, 2019
Nigerians always complaining about the racism in Germany whereas we ourselves are the uplifters of tribalism and nepotism in this country. I am tired of this country!!

Meanwhile my DE Brüder und Schwestern please feed our eyes with images, especially Frankfurt cheesy The city is really eye catchy!! How are you guys putting up living cost?!
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 12:00am On Apr 22, 2019
ibrahimovic303:
I love to read these kind of news on our thread!! Someone has a scholarship to Tampere I still tell people you have to get used to digging for information on the internet by yourself; that is how the western world is sad You just see something on the Internet, you pick your phone and call them or email them...I have gotten jobs like this too! If you cannot get used to this pattern, I’m afraid Naija go fit you wella angry cos here your confidence to talk for yourself gives you an extra point, they actually mention it!
You are right Baba.. Happy Easter! Abeg dRop pictures na,, we dey wait!
TravelRe: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by IchBinBrait(m): 11:52pm On Apr 21, 2019
Hadampson:
Please share your daily experiences and other useful information on this thread


Eldeee
Philfit
Janette
dolpaz
......yes including other non visa related matters like pictures of restaurants, lecture halls, work places, vehicles, stadiums, social life in Germany and so on. Also the "Do's" and "Dont's" for expats living there. It will help motivate aspiring students.
TravelRe: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 6 by IchBinBrait(m): 10:07pm On Apr 21, 2019
Hadampson:
Boss, i still dey zoogeria cry
Son unfortunate i don't have the required amount of money for block account embarassed
I believe God won't let this year pass me by
So sorry bro.. That blocked account money is seriously on the high side considering the exchange rate. I am also affected, I strongly believe that someday the money will dRop. God will do it, it is well!!

Hadampson:
@emboldened any way na way o
Even if na Damascus in Syria, i swear i dey go... I'm living a frustrated life here. This country is not made for me cry


Ich dachte, du wohnst in Deutschland, oder undecided
You must be joking right?? grin cheesy Syria of all countries., I rather die in Nigeria than go there.
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 5:57pm On Apr 20, 2019
Smartnedu92:
Hello,

Kings in the house, i recently got admitted in Tampere University in Finland and was given 100% scholarship. How do i go about my RP, documents to provide, info on sponsor and all of that. Any little help will be appreciated.

Chief IBRA, i respect your government PRA PRA .
Congratulations bruder... Ibra is in a perfect position to answer.
TravelRe: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 6 by IchBinBrait(m): 5:48pm On Apr 20, 2019
Hadampson:
Ausgezeichnet ! cool

I dey always gbadun your analysis grin

See as you calculate everything in a way everyone will understand.... gute Arbeit chef
Mr Hadampson don't tell me you are still in Nigeria ooo cheesy cheesy

I'm waiting to view your Deutschland pictures. Or have you diverted to Finland?? grin grin
TravelRe: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 6 by IchBinBrait(m): 5:48pm On Apr 16, 2019
keezoomaan:
My AM landed this morning, praise God, when GOD.
8weeks and 1day.
AM : 8.30am,
Interview date 18th feb...

I even had issues of missing documents, i thank God for the mrs.baurbach who picked up my case and disturbed the nigeria embassy. We all backed it up in prayers.

Course, M.Sc functional Materials
City ; Marburg , state : hessen..

If you are still waiting for your AM, pls pray very hard and keep contacting the embassy&alien office.

Same God, who has done mine will send an helper, to y"ll awaiting an AM, in Jesus name. AMEN
Congratulations mein bruder. Don't forget to appreciate Mrs Baurbach when you enter Hessen.
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 5:29pm On Apr 16, 2019
ibrahimovic303:
Yes you have said it all, learning the language will always help you to become friends with them sometimes...Another form of racism is institutional ones whereby you will apply for jobs and never get called up because your name doesn’t appear Finnish...Anyways, Finns are introverts by default and can be really boring, but you can be amazed at their extrovert behaviors after enough alcohol in the bar and suddenly they want to be friends with you... grin
E be like say alcohol (highness) dey give them liver.. grin grin hahaha..
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m): 4:16pm On Apr 16, 2019
ibrahimovic303:
I can’t count sef...but the most recent was some old people refusing to be in same elevator with me...they spoke in Finnish not knowing I understand the language
I have read a lot about the Finns on quora, blogs and social media platforms. I deduced that those people are really scared of blacks. It is some kind of an unexplainable phobia. Perhaps they are thinking they would be hurt, robbed or scammed. Racism is one thing and fear is another thing but the result of both is discrimination. They behave the same way to Non Finnish people (white inclusive), no race is spared.

Learning the language is key to be able to cope in a country of introverts.
TravelRe: Derailer Thread: Meeting Point For Nigerians/Africans In Scandanavia by IchBinBrait(m):
ibrahimovic303:
Journey continues to the port city of Turku where our Viking Cruiseliner leaves from...my coach friend just dey talk plenty, we gaz leave am make boat nor go leave us oh embarassed once Finnish people know say you dey speak their language omor them go wan give you all the gist for this life at once cheesy
Been following this thread from page 1.. Just started two days ago.

Wow,, lovely moments I must say and Mr Ibra you are a strong motivator. Please do not relent.

First observation: Is that darkness am seeing? But it is only 5:23pm shocked
Second observation: The streets/roads are deserted
Third observation: The country is way too cold..

Las las nowhere wey 9ja man no fit survive.
PoliticsRe: CCB Act That Indicts The Suspended CJN, Justice Walter Onnoghen by IchBinBrait(m): 8:17am On Apr 05, 2019
PaChukwudi44:
I have investments in AIICO insurance now does that mean i am now involved in the management and running of AIICO insurance PLC?
What am i exactly to AIICO a director,staff or Client?
You are a customer. A major stakeholder in the company. So when your investments reaches maturity, don't hesitate to lay claims.
EducationRe: What Is The Worst School Punishment You Were Ever Given? by IchBinBrait(m): 11:14am On Mar 27, 2019
Ganamustgo:
Its the only cashew tree reserved for the principal and teachers in the school, its also located at the back of the principal's office.
Its a serious offense to be caught on it.

My school had ridiculous laws back then.
wow... nawa oo
PoliticsRe: Osinbajo, Ambode, Ajimobi Hold Their Agbada In Style by IchBinBrait(m): 7:48pm On Mar 25, 2019
TheAngry1:
Visit Lagos!
Na Island you dey show us,, show mainland and see how nairalanders will be disgusted!!
EducationRe: What Is The Worst School Punishment You Were Ever Given? by IchBinBrait(m): 7:43pm On Mar 25, 2019
Ganamustgo:
In my secondary school, we had many cashew tree littered around the school premises and there was one single tree behind the principal's office.

We were free to pluck cashew fruits from any tree in the premises but the one behind the principal's office was no go area for all students. One day, after closing of the day's activities, I went behind the principal's office to have a taste of the forbidden fruit with the hope that he (principal) has left the premises but to my surprise, my name was called on assembly ground the following day. The principal asked our head boy to beat me in front of everyone. I was suspended from school for one week, I was asked to bring my parents to the school at the end of the suspension.

I hate cashew till today because of that experience.
What sort of tree is was that..

The tree of immortality or knowledge of good & evil??

grin

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