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Joagbaje:
Good day sir



Any christian who studies can teach but that doesn't make him a teacher .

Paul obviously had the gift of prophecy and he functions in the 5fold ministry but he is in the office of an apostle. That's why he was not called prophet Paul but rather Apostle Paul

Pastor chris operates the 5 fold ministry also teacher ,pastor ,evangelist , prophecy , apostle

But you can't compare his prophetic ministry to likes of Suleiman and major 1 , jeremiah of warri who can just prophesy at will.

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John14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I hav1john2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
We are no longer in the INTERMEDIARY CLASS of the Old Testament where the God will be at one side His children at the opposite direction and some self proclaimed prophet will be interceding between God and His children,No!!
Bible said that the indwelling Spirit will teach us ALL THINGS.
Any prophet/pastor standing inbetween Him and His children (foretelling stories of witch and wizard in there houses etc)is commiting a serious crime in His presence.by trying to take the position of the indwelling Spirit.its a gracious crime and most of them don't know.

Joagbaje:
Wrong



Beautiful



What do you mean by seldom . There is difference between prophesying, the gift of prophecy and the OFFICE OF THE PROPHET . The prophet will always be a prophet in every generation . There's no NEW TESTSTAMENT PROPHET.

The gift of prophecy will always be the gift of prophecy in every generation.


1 Corinthians 14:24-25
24 But if all of you are prophesying, and unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your meeting, they will be convicted of sin and judged by what you say. 25 As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.”

In prophecy , there is forthtelling and foretelling .

The verses you quoted was talking about UNBELIEVERS and not BELIEVERS.
2.The thread main focus was on "Prophets In the Church" not the world.
3.Theres nothing like "the office of a prophet"
The "school of prophet" instituted by Samuel in the Old Testament produces all the false prophets in the bible.do you know why??
It's because the prophetic ministry is not an OFFICE you walk in and out daily or whenever one feels like it.rather,it is who you are!!
Prophets are born and not made.
The word of God they speak are who they are.i.e. The word and the vessel(prophet) are one not two different things.

Joagbaje:
Paul had gifts of prophecy but he was not a prophet . He had to balance his work by working with prophets If you observe his ministry . Silas was a prophet , bannabas was a prophet.

Hi Bro longtime
Now,who told you Paul was not a Prophet??
If he's not,who is?
What's the chacracteristic of a prophet?
My brother Paul was EVERYTHING!! a Teacher,an Apostle and Evangelist and also a Prophet.

greatcrown:
Verse 11 of Acts 21 that you quoted showed Agabus foretelling the future for Apostle Paul.

Jesus foretold the denial of Peter and the consequence of the action of Judas.

While I am against the commercialization of the office of a prophet, I strongly disagree with you that anyone who foretels the future is a sorcerer.
I think you are overblowing your little knowledge. Do more research. There is a book by Kenneth Hagin on spiritual gifts, please get it and learn more.

The daughters of Evangelists Phillip though prophesied in the early part of that verse yet they were not privileged to see into the future as Agabus accurately saw it and declared it.

God bless you as you grow in his service, Amen!

Hi Bro.
About your comments regards to Paul and our Lord.
1.Paul never obeyed Agabus you know why??
Because he has the Holy Spirit within Him.and he trusted the indwelling Spirit more than any other words from his brothers.
These should be our path.to follow the leadings of the Holy Spirit within us not going back to the intermediary class of the Old Testament
2.During the time of our Lord Jesus Christ here on earth the Indwelling Spirit Has not residue on His disciples so He(Christ) Has to direct them till the Holy Spirit comes.

menxer:
It's the same thing.

If the law was given to be "broken" at calvary, grace is equally given to be "broken" at a certain point in time.

When the law was given was it stated it was for a period of time?

Now that Grace is given is it stated if it is for a period of time?

If God knew that the law would be broken at calvary and still gave it, where is wisdom in that?

How many centuries was the law in effect before being broken?
How many centuries would grace be in effect before it is "broken" by the next paradigm shift?

Besides, I guess you followed the arguments before commenting.

Hmmm,
Just found you aren't a believer.because it will be a bit difficult for you to grasp these things.
Because the bible is the word of God,and His Words are spirit.nean to understand it one must be in the spirit.
Wanted to discuss Galatians 3:15-22 with you.but since you aren't "in" it will result to arguments.

menxer:
Who gave the law?
God

Who gave the grace?
God

Yet it's said God knows the end from the beginning, but didn't know law would not do the work of grace.
Makes sense right?

The law was not given for it to be upheld,no it was given in full knowledge for it to be BROKEN!!by so doing,He's finished work on Calvary would be accepted.that is Grace.which is the Gospel.

There are two very precious things in the New Testament. First, we can all be priests serving God in His presence. Second, the Holy Spirit is within us and we can know God's will. If we do not have the second thing, we are only Jews and outdated believers. The most important matter in the New Testament is that the Holy Spirit lives within the believers. When some among us receive the outpouring of the Spirit, they speak in tongues, prophesy, receive revelations, or experience many similar things. If a brother/sister claimed that she had received a prophecy or a revelation, what would you do? Suppose something happened in your home. Would you go to this sister and inquire of her? Would you charge her to inform you of any revelation that she has received? If you did this, you would not only be relinquishing your New Testament right, but you would be opening the door to the deception of evil spirits. In the Old Testament there were the sorcerers, whose work was the same in principle as the work of the prophets. The prophets conveyed to men the will of God, whereas the sorcerers conveyed to men the will of evil spirits. Both were intermediaries. In the Old Testament, if a man claimed that he did not need a sorceress, he must have been an expert himself. However, in the New Testament, no prophet should occupy an INTERMEDIARY position. Every believer can communicate with God directly. In the New Testament, as long as some "sorcerers" remain, the Holy Spirit will not convey God's word to man. If some brothers have some gifts of the Holy Spirit as a result of the outpouring, and if they tell you to do this and that, they are acting as Old Testament prophets and being an intermediary for you. You should not accept their words. "The outpouring of the Spirit cannot replace the inner leading of the Spirit."Otherwise, an intermediary class of people will be produced and there will be "sorcerers."

enshy:
An adult child is not to be submissive to parents.
What the Bible commands is 'honour' not 'submission'
Remember children are to obey I.e total submission. Adult can submit because they are rulers in their homes too, we only honour.
How do we honour? We respect them, We take care of them, We correct them in love, We support them, We visit them often, We defend them, We advice them lovingly, We forgive them, We pray for them, We call them often e.t.c

Ok
You are right

2Cor11:12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
There a THIN line between what's of God and that of the Devil.
The spirit of discernment is very necessary in our Christain life.

In the New Testament the Holy Spirit has replaced the work of the Old Testament prophets. Today we have prophets in the church. Some can prophesy, while others can exhort and comfort. But we do not have personal prophets to come and tell us what we should do. If anyone comes to tell us to do this or that, he is not a prophet, but a SORCERER . It is true that Agabus and the four daughters of Philip were prophets, and they did prophesy (Acts 11:28; 21:8-11), but the main work of the New Testament prophets is preaching and speaking for God. New Testament prophets seldom prophesy; their main work is the preaching of the Word. First Corinthians 14 specifically mentions the work of the prophets. Verse 3 clearly says that the main work of the New Testament prophets is for building up, encouraging, and consoling men. It does not mention any foretelling of the future. This shows that foretelling is an incidental work; sometimes it is done by a few, but it is not the principal work.
A prophet cannot give anyone personal guidance; this is the essence of the New Testament. In the New Testament there are no personal prophets. Everyone can know God directly and be led of God and know God's will directly. Do you have a prophet? that is, the kind of personal prophet mentioned above. The danger of a worker is to burden himself with the work of a prophet. When there are too many personal prophets, the proper place of the New Testament prophet is annulled. The New Testament church does not need any spiritual GIANTS to act as personal prophets to teach others what they should do. That is the work of the Holy Spirit, not the work of the prophets. The main work of the New Testament prophets is for building up, encouraging, and consoling men. This is the work that God's workers should do today.

CANTICLES:
Thanks Sir, For the bolded references ... compare with this statement.

" If Judas wasn't saved, it means Christ didn't die
for him. Simple "

does it Rhyme ?

Lol
You have to answer our question yourself
WHY WOULD THE FARMER SOW ON ROAD SIDE,ROCKY GROUND AND THORNS KNOWING FULLY WELL THEY WONT YEILD FRUIT?
Brother you can answer your own question
Also bear in mind
Mathew13:11He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
While answering

CANTICLES:
Stop twisting the scripture to your own destruction, EVERYONE and ALL in those two scripture is clear .


"He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,
and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of
the whole world." - 1 John 2:2.

He died for the WHOLE WORLD, Is Judas not part of the whole world ? Reply

Matt13:3Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

My Brother why would the Farmer sow on Road side,Rocky ground and Thorns knowing fully well they won't yield Fruits?
Remember the Seed was scattered ALL OVER THE GROUND indicating Redemption is for the whole world(not just His children )
You know the Seed is the Word of God and the Grounds are the Hearts of Men.
The Good Soil typifies the new Heart God gives to His children(EZIKEL36:26) without a new heart believing in Christ is impossible.
Let's also look at Romans.
Romans8:19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it,...

in hope 21thath the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God....,,
Creation
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the "REDEMPTION" of our bodies. ...
So apart from believers Creation(unbelievers and everything created that has been corupted) groans also to be set free from the bondage of corruption.
The Redemptive work of our Lord is for the whole creation of God.
Remember Creation being freed doesn't make them Sons/Daughters of God.

Can a "Gift" be Retrieved?NO!!
Same with Eternal Life.the word Eternal means it's forever so.
John3:16

Romans8-28
28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whoi have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

More Than Conquerors

31What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or unclothedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”j
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5solas:
Precisely my point. Those that come are those GIVEN to Him. Those GIVEN to Him are drawn to Him (the incentive ) .
John6:44,65.
Good to hear from you bro. Ichuka.

Same here Bro.5solas
Maybe it's time to Refresh some of your old thread for new believers .

OLAADEGBU:
What does it mean to honour my father and mother? What responsibility do adult children have in regards to a relationship with their parents?

It meant to be submissive to them.its the only commandment that carries blessing of longlife.

analice107:
He worked very hard under the hash whether. And, he was severely cheated. What he did to his brother Esau was reciprocated to him. He was sub changed 10times.


Esau was never poor at all. They all worked hard to acquire material wealth. Jacob never ruled over Esau materially. Jacob's Descendants only became Kings, Prophets and Priests and later, Jesus came forth through them,.that's all.

If anyone works hard, he/she will be good.

You are correct.

5solas:
Unfortunately all of them are not given this incentive. So the assumption does not hold. What is clear is that all who grab the opportunity will always be of that 60%.

John17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

Death in Dreams might also mean the Cross dealing with some aspect of your life that don't Glorify God.
It's a two way thing.0

OLAADEGBU:
Can you explain?

Sorry bro!!
It meant He Feeds,Guides and Protects Us.

Gen33:1
Jacob looked up and there was Esau, coming with his four hundred men;
Somebody who's in charge of 400 MEN must be very rich.

Gen31:41
Yes, for twenty years I slaved in your house! I worked for fourteen years earning your two daughters, and then six more years for your flock. And you changed my wages ten times!
My brother Jacob worked for everything he had.

ScienceWatch:
I have been reading your posts with interest, then it dawned on me that you could be the right person to help Oaroloye with his inability to find proof/evidence of miraculous healing.

All the best !

Ok
Is he(Oaroloye) a believer?

Candour:
My dear bro Chuka, how you dey? longest time.
Regards to your family too

My broda everybody dey ooo
Cheers

OLAADEGBU:
What does it mean that the Lord is my Shepherd (Psalm 23)? In what ways is our relationship with God like the relationship between a shepherd and the sheep?

meant He Feeds,Guides and Protects Us.

plappville:

Lol
Thank God you guys are coming back
Greetings to your family

Candour:
ifyalways is very correct. went to visit a relative at one posh estate by jakande roundabout in lekki close to shoprite there and she told me their rent is N3M/Year without adding the 40 or 50k monthly service charge plus whatever others and she claims theirs is even cheap since it's only a 3 bedroom with a penthouse.

Duplexes and detached houses in the estate go for way higher.

Wow!!
Longtime bro.
Greetings to your family

[quote author=MZLady39 post=56080169]Ok folks....
Although I have spoken privately with him, I must sincerely & publicly apologize to brother Ichuka for:

1.) Derailing the Thread
2.) Making Accusations That Hadn't Been Confirmed Which Attacked His Character
3.) Embarrassing Both of Us (Although He Said He Wasn't)

This is not for show. In fact, I'm tremendously embarrased and humiliated. But I did this publicly, so the apology has to be done publicly.

Although I warned him, I acted rather impulsively and shouldn't have done it regardless of whether I felt justified. It was plain & simply wrong.

I desire neither sympathy nor attention....so
PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT.
Just read & if you so desire, pray for me to rise to Christ' standard.

Thanks
Ngozi [/
1John1:8
New International Version
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Our greatest foe is not the Devil but our "FLESH"
Reason why Paul said "I AM Crucified with Chist..........Gal2:20
"I Am" in the verse meant it's a progressive thing,something we should do "daily"
Our flesh is Currupt beyond repair it must DIE daily for one to RECIEVE his daily divine inheritance he must be crucified with Christ in Calvary daily.
You are blessed Sis.

ScienceWatch:
I may just be right for the first time. Ichuku could be the one to show Oaroloye why he is denying the mountain of modern scientifically verifiable evidence of Jesus' awesome healing power that thousands world-wide testify to, personally and in public for the whole world to see and examine. These credible testimonies also come from doctors, World renowned pastors, professors etc that have experienced the POWER in the SCOAN church.

Too many FAKE pastors with high education/doctorates/degrees have painfully experienced that they have no POWER to activate the spiritual gifts of healing, deliverance and blessing no matter how hard they try. They have made a PUBLIC mockery of Jesus by thinking that they can enter the Kingdom via doctorates/degrees or other FAKERY.

In their greedy ambition to be the only one to parade on the Alter as pastor/disciple/minister etc, thousands of FAKE pastors used FAKERY to deceive their congregations into that sacred position. But they cant deceive God or Jesus or The Holy Ghost.

God simply holds back the very thing these FAKE pastors want most, which is the POWER to heal, deliver and bless.

Oaroloye wants to do everything in his puny power to ensure that all churches continue as usual to be merely motivational institutions that preach the history of the WORD without the POWER as demonstrated so simply in the holy SCOAN church Nigeria.

After examining at length the awesome benefits of Christ' gospel as demonstrated so freely in the SCOAN church, it is fitting that every person pastoring a church must function with the full living gospel. The wheat must now be separated from the chaff !

Why should the innocent congregations world-wide accept anything less, especially after the world examines the evidence on Emmanuel TV, it is flowing like a mighty river out of the holy SCOAN church.



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Please who are you?

In Matt7:18.
Christ said"
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit."it's impossible for one to give/express what is not in his constituent.
Tares can "NEVER" be Wheat.(Matt13:24-30)They(tares)might look,feel,or even taste like Wheat to some believers,but in Time and Season they are separated.
But in regards to "Washing Presumed Dirty Clothes Publicly"
Let's look at the story of Noah.

Gen9:20-27"And Noah began to be a husbandman,and planted a vineyard:and he drink of the wine and was drunken;and he was uncovered "WITHIN"his tent.and Ham,the father of Canaan,saw the unclothedness of his father,and told his two brethren "WITHOUT"..and Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders,and went backward,and covered the unclothedness of their father;and their faces were backward,and they saw not their father's unclothedness and Noah awoke from his wine,and knew what his youngest son had done unto him,and he said "Curse be Canaan;a 'SERVANT' of servants shall he be unto his brethren,and he said,Blessed be Jehovah,the God of Shem;and let Canaan be his Servant.God enlarge japheth,and let him dwell in the tents of Shem;and let Canaan be his servant....Gen9:20-27" In God's plan Noah was the Head of his family.He put the whole family under Noah's authority.but one day Noah became drunk in his vineyard and he uncovered himself in his tent,his youngest son,Ham,saw his father's nakeness and told his two brother's outside(the word outside meant "IN PUBLIC"so far as Noah's conduct was concerned,he certainly was wrong;he should not have been drunk.yet Ham failed to see the dignity of authority.the father is God's instituted authority in the home,but the flesh delights in seeing a defect in authority so as to throw off all restraint.when he saw his father's improper conduct he did not have the slightest sense of SHAME or SORROW,no did he try to cover his father's fault.this reveal's that he had a "REBELLIOUS SPIRIT".he went out instead and told his brethren,pointing out to them his father's ugliness and so adding to himself the sin of REVILING.in the above verse we can observe,though how Shem and Japheth manage the situation.
From the above scripture,it is seen then that the failure of Noah became a TESTto Shem,Ham,Japheth,and Ham's son-Canaan.it revealed who was SUBMISSIVE and who has the "FRUIT" of REBELLIOUS.
After Noah awoke from the wine he prophesied that the descendants of Ham(Canaan) would be cursed and would become the slaves of a slave to their brethren.THE FIRST ONE TO BECOME A SLAVE IN THE BIBLE WAS HAM.
"THRICE" was the sentence pronounced that Canaan would be a slave.indicating that anyone who's not Submissive among his brethren shall be slave to him who does.
He was the first to be cursed after the flood.not knowing the principal of submissiveness,he was made to serve others from generation to generation.
Seed begets Fruits,and the condition of the Fruits reveals the Source of the Seed.

Blessed is the one who is not offended by Me. (Matthew 11:6 ESV)

The Word of God does take account of the possibility of our being offended with Him. It does not say anywhere that that possibility should never arise and will never arise. The Lord has no where said that we shall never have any occasion for being offended with Him. He HAS indicated that there will be PLENTY of opportunity for so stumbling at Him, falling over Him, coming down because of Him – if you like: crashing because of Him. There will be plenty of occasion or opportunity for doing so. He has never said that it will never be so. It is as well for us to recognize that.
The Lord sent no word of rebuke to poor John the Baptist in the prison when he was perilously near to being offended with the Lord because of his situation. The Lord was not hard on John because of his question. He might, had He been another, have said, “But John, did you not point Me out as the Lamb of God? Did you not proclaim Me as the One, the Messiah? Haven’t you preached about Me to multitudes? Have you not made the strongest declarations and affirmations as to what you believed about Me? And here you’re asking a fundamental question about Me. John, what’s gone wrong with you?” No, nothing like that. The Lord knows our frame, that we are dust. And the Lord, I’m saying, takes account of this ever present possibility, in our weakness, of being offended with Him. But He does attach to this matter a particular blessedness if we don’t crash over the Stumbling Block of His ways with us, “AND blessed is he whosoever shall not be offended in Me.”

An2elect2:
Wolves.

Can darkness oppose darkness?
Can bad produce good?

Love,humility,endurance,patience,submission and obedience are Gifts of the Holy Spirit to Christains don't you think?

Ubenedictus:
And the government is the decider of what is tares and what is wheat abi?

Let me hear u tomorrow criticizing the banning of heresy in medieval times and i will remind u that u just gave a secular government the power to ban religious groups and confisticate their property.

Lol bro!
Read my post again.i didn't take side with the Government(fact is what they did was very bad because it can be the Muslim ,catholic or Pentecostal tommorow)
My post was centred on Christ and Him alone
It was in regard of other comments not the OP.