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Christianity Etc › Re: "God" Is The World's Greatest Lie. by ichuka(m): 10:33pm On Aug 02, 2017
"And they named him Joseph"
Wow!!
Christianity Etc › Re: MY Experience With The Supernatural, Ghost And Spirits Do Exist. by ichuka(m): 12:50pm On Aug 01, 2017
Nice thread
You guys should keep it up
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chidi Okafor "Strikes Woman With Blindness", Accuses Her Of Witchcraft by ichuka(m): 6:33pm On Jul 29, 2017
grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: You Can Lose Your Salvation Gallantly. by ichuka(m): 9:00pm On Jul 28, 2017
revelatiorcm:
on this issue of receiving eternal security of our salvation, it very confusing at times,
I would like to put my input also,
2 Corithians 5:17-19 "all these are from God, who was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself not counting their sins against them"
Anything eternal is from God, because He alone is eternal, salvation is from God, given to men as a gift, the package of salvation is eternal, now

James 4:5 says
ESV:Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”?

KJV:Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

NIV:Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us?

NLT:What do you think the Scriptures mean when they say that the spirit God has placed within us is filled with envy?

YLT:Do ye think that emptily the Writing saith, 'To envy earnestly desireth the spirit that did dwell in us,'

Here now is something important, God doesn't save human, He saves the Spirit He has put in the flesh of man, meaning God His own, Spirit He caused to dwell in us, and this I believe it was done before the earth was Ephesians 1:3-4 again no devil has the ability to steal, destroy or kill anything that pertains to salvation, 1 Corinthians 2:1-12
salvation is eternal to those God chose and knew an predestined Romans 8:28-39
He gives them the ability to overcome, because if we consider the devil in the process of salvation it simply means God will loose, because no man can resist the devil without the Spirit of God,
remember Matthew 24:24 says the days will be cut short forthe sake of the elect, if no man would be saved,
God bless you from South Africa,
Word
Christianity Etc › Re: You Can Lose Your Salvation Gallantly. by ichuka(m): 8:56pm On Jul 28, 2017
Blue86:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 6:4-6

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1John 3:14-15.

Alaafia.
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Do you even know the difference between Enternal Life and the Kingdom of God?dont think so.moreover I can quote over 100+ verses from the Old and New Testament that says Salvation is free and don't demand works.making it very Enternal.
Topic has been over trashed on these section.
Go through past threads pls
Christianity Etc › Re: You Can Lose Your Salvation Gallantly. by ichuka(m): 4:58am On Jul 28, 2017
God substituted His Life for yours and you saying such a God given Life can be lost?No!
We can't loss an Enternalyl Gods given Life,not possible.
But we can loss our position with God in the Kingdom reign.
Two different things.
Enternal Life is a gift freely given and it demands no works.
But the Kingdom reign demands work.
OP,let's assume you are a Nigerian.because you were born a Nigerian(theses liken to being born again)whatsoever you do,doesn't change the known fact of your nature being a Nigerian.
Being a Nigerian qualifies you to work hard and becomes the president/governor of a state(theses the Kingdom reign which tenure is for 1000yrs)for 4years.before becoming an ordinary citizen again.
We should stop mixing His gift and Kingdom reign together.
Christianity Etc › Re: Dream: This Attack Of The Monkeys by ichuka(m): 11:44pm On Jul 27, 2017
Muafrika2:
Thanks ichuka,

You have mentioned distraction before in another dream, what do you think of this one?
One of The primary strategy of satan before he attacks a Christain has always been distraction.
Distraction always open a door for his attack.
If he can't distract,the door will never be open for attack.
I still believe the cat has more to do with some of your qualities(calm,quiet,diligent etc)
But in a war front we also need the aggressiveness of a Lion.more reason why we must continue to grow in His image and likeness which also portrays the nature of His Lionhood.
Christianity Etc › Re: Dream: This Attack Of The Monkeys by ichuka(m): 1:58am On Jul 27, 2017
Muafrika2:
grin
So today, just a few minutes ago I had this nightmare. shocked undecided

I was living in a sky scraper and there were other people living in the building. It was just a building opening up to the wild landscape where the baboons/monkeys would come from.

The suddenly an army of baboons, countless ones started coming to attack. They would kill everybody. undecided I saw them from afar and knew exactly how they would do it. They would be locked out but they would get in anyway. I could recall in the dream that it had happened before but people seem to have forgotten or to not care so much. They did not seem to notice the danger.

The minute I saw them coming, I ran to hide in a room. The reason is that I could remember that in the last attacks (about 2) they did not get inside the rooms in that particular floor. Actually, they could break through but somehow they restrained.

Some family members were on the same floor. I tried telling them about the attack but they brushe'd it off. In fact, my mother decided to leave the building to go run some errand. She came back shortly thereafter. She had seen them. Its her word that convinced them go hide in one of the rooms. They would be safe there.

On my part, I saw a cat somewhere in the house and decided to save the poor thing too. So I had it in the room. But then as the attack progressed, I thought the monkeys would get its scent, and get agitated and find attack us. As I woke up, the monkeys had not reached our floor yet. So I was thinking of hiding the cat separately. Because keeping it with me was really risky angry

Some of my options were locking it seperately in a drawer. The monkeys would definitely not reach it there and we would both be safe. huh

Cc. Shadeyinka
You have dwell in your present level long enough.you must move/climb higher.
To "abide in the Shadows of the Most High"continually we must climb higher daily.
The level you are in the skyscraper is not directly proportion to the attack you might recieve(move upward))move to the highest point of the skyscraper(mountain).
A cat can't defend herself against one baboon and here we have packs of them.
A million baboons can't even stand the roar of a Lion and that's who your Father is.
The more you climb the more you mature from a baby lion to the king of your environment.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 1:20am On Jul 27, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Have I not been objective in my responses so far?
You are,but will continue when compelled to do so.
It's a life time exercise you know.will continue when am lead.
Christianity Etc › Re: Nebuchadnezzar Onced Played The ISIS Role? by ichuka(m): 10:41pm On Jul 23, 2017
plappville:
When i studied Daniel chapter 3 till the end, i just picture our present day Muslim terrorist organisations like ISIS and co. King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon would force the children of Israel to worship his god or else execution. This is the same method Islam is using today. You dare not fall in their hands. Either you recite their noble quran or you die. Satan is really aged.He is not giving up. He hasnt changed method. We ought to continue to resist Him just like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, did. There is a greater price in dieing for Christ in this case.

These three young men knew they were going to be burnt alive in a burning fiery furnace, yet they didn't fear Satans threat. They trusted in their God. Those Christians who have really proved to ISIS that allah is fake and that Jesus is the only way are those who have lost their lives For Christ. We all know what it means to face death in such a manner. Its not easy. It takes a divine intervention to overcome the fear of death. Yes, many Christians today have died for the sake of Christ. These Christians love Christ in truth and in spirit.

May the true spirit of God that once lived in Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, continue to live in us so that if it happens that a Christian is face to face with these Islamist terrorists who want us to deny Christ and profess allah, we will not fear them but prove our LOVE for Christ to them. Because they can only kill the body but cant kill the soul. The bible is so plain here:


Matthew 10:28 ►
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


May God bless His word. Amen.
Very true sis.
However,we shouldn't always wait for God our Father to rightfully defend us.when we are His sons/daughters.for the C.O. Of this earth has been restored back to us by Christ.
We just need to exercise His powers through us by faith.
Christianity Etc › Re: Numbers!! by ichuka(op): 8:56pm On Jul 23, 2017
The Number "12"
"12"is the number of permanency.As the basic number"7"represents temporary or dispensational perfection,so 12 speaks of permanent perfection.7 is made up of the basic number "4"(man)added to the basic number"3"(God)—the joining together of the created with the Creator. 12 is 4 multiplied by 3,and therefore it is the created being united with the Creator. 7 represents the coming together of man and God, whereas 12 speaks of how God gives grace to man so that the created can be united to the Creator.The former number signifies the contact of the created with the Creator;it is perfect,yet it is only temporary; but the latter number shows forth the union of the created with the Creator,so that it is not only perfect but also permanent. Let us understand that both 7 and 12 come from the two numerals 4 and 3;except that 7 is the adding of these two numerals together,whereas 12 is the multiplying of them together. To add is to put together,to multiply is to unite in one.Hence the meaning of multiplication is deeper than that of addition. Here we see the importance of being united with God.
Other instances of the biblical use of the number 12 can be seen in the following.A year has twelve months.The nation of Israel was composed of twelve tribes.Mounted on the breastplate of the high priest were twelve precious stones (Ex. 28.21).On the golden table of shewbread were placed twelve loaves of bread(Lev. 24.5,6). Elim had twelve springs (Ex. 15.27). There were twelve men sent to spy out the land(Num. 13). Joshua put twelve stones into the river Jordan(Josh. 4.9).Elijah used twelve stones with which to build an altar(1 Kings 18.31,32). The Lord Jesus went to Jerusalem at twelve years of age (Luke 2.42).He chose twelve apostles and promised them the right to sit on twelve thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt. 19.28).He healed the woman who had had an issue of blood for twelve years(Luke 8.43,44).He raised the twelve-year-old daughter of Jairus from the dead (Luke 8.42,54,55).The leftovers from the five loaves and two fishes after feeding the five thousand were twelve basketsful (Matt. 14.20).The Lord could have, had He desired, asked the Father to send twelve legions of angels to rescue Him (Matt. 26.53).
In reading the book of Revelation,we find that the number 12 is used more frequently than in any other book.There will be twelve stars making up the crown on the woman’s head (Rev. 12.1).The New Jerusalem will have twelve gates made of twelve pearls (21.21).At these gates there will be twelve angels(v.12),and the names written above the gates are to be the names of the twelve tribes of Israel(v.12).The city wall will have twelve foundations with the names of the twelve apostles on them (v.14).The tree of life is to bear twelve different fruits (22.2).In the light of all this, we need to notice that in the eternal kingdom of the new heaven and the new earth, all the numbers are to be twelve, none will be seven.In the first half of the book of Revelation,7 is frequently the number used because it speaks of the conditions of this temporary age. But for the eternal kingdom,12 is the number used.It is thus proven beyond doubt that 7 is representative of temporary perfection whereas 12 is representative of permanent perfection.
Christianity Etc › Re: Mermaid by ichuka(m): 11:48pm On Jul 20, 2017
Nephilim:
I have been seeing this beautiful Mermaid in my night vision, a Queen with bodyguards and am stunned on how I became her lover till the point of her telling me that she won't let me go. I'm worried, is it just a dream or something to be wary of.
Hebrew11:3says:By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
So these universe was form out of nothing.that is the immaterial later materizes out of nothing.ot all depends on ur believe/faith in the particular issue.
Do you believe in your vision/dreams?
2.are you The Lord of your life,if not who is?
3.are you always in charge of your vision/dream world?
Also in John1:14 it says the Word became flesh and dwell among us.
Immaterial became a Man and dwell among us some thousand of years ago.
The result is still believe.
Christianity Etc › Re: Numbers!! by ichuka(op): 11:28pm On Jul 19, 2017
The Number "10"
"10" is the number of world perfection;it is also the multiplication of the basic number "5" by 2, and therefore it represents the total responsibility of men before God.A normal person has ten fingers and ten toes for work and for walking. For human rebellion,God punished the Egyptians with ten plagues.At the height of the power of the nations there will be ten kingdoms,which are suggested by the ten toes and ten horns(Dan. 2, 7.7;Rev. 17.12).There are ten commandments given to Israel as their responsibility before God.Ephraim represented the ten tribes of the nation of Israel and was therefore directly responsible to God;Ephraim was not included in Judah. After His resurrection, Christ appeared ten times.How great was the responsibility of those who knew His resurrection!
The church in Smyrna shall have tribulation ten days(Rev. 2.10). The disciples prayed for ten days before they were baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1).The final conditions of the Christians are represented in the parable of the ten virgins(Matt. 25.1,2); among whom five are wise and five foolish but all are held responsible at the arrival of the bridegroom.The woman with ten pieces of silver(Luke 15.8-10) shows that the whole world (at the time of speaking this may have represented only the children of Israel) belongs to God.The ten servants received ten pounds to trade with until the Lord returned (Luke 19.13).They were not to be careless about that which they received. The first servant earned ten pounds, so he was rewarded with ten cities.God required the children of Israel to give one tenth; this proves the greatness of the Lord since everything was given to them by Him.Ten is a number used extensively in the tabernacle,the temple of Solomon, and the temple mentioned in Ezekiel; for all are in this world (Ex. 26.27;1 Kings 6; Ez. 40).
Christianity Etc › Re: Giving Out Cars Didn’t Make Me Prosper; It Was A Seed Of N50 – Pro Joshua Iginla by ichuka(m): 12:33am On Jul 19, 2017
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Christianity Etc › Re: Numbers!! by ichuka(op): 11:33pm On Jul 18, 2017
The Number "8"
"8" is the number of resurrection. The Lord Jesus was resurrected from the dead on the first day of the week, which is the eighth day.Noah is the eighth person preserved by God (2 Peter 2.5) and he has a family of eight (1 Peter 3.20).They came out of the ark (the flood representing death) and multiplied and filled the new earth. God commanded Abraham to circumcise all the male children on the eighth day of birth(Gen. 17.11-14).The meaning of circumcision is the "putting off of the body of the flesh" (Col. 2.11).This agrees with "we are [God’s] workmanship, created in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2.10).David was the eighth son of Jesse (1 Sam. 16.10,11), and he established the new Israel.The leper was cleansed on the eighth day(Lev. 14.10,23)and hence he was declared to be a new person.In the eighth year, the children of Israel sowed the land again (Lev. 25.22).Psalm 8 speaks of the kingdom of the Lord (cf.Heb. 2.5-9).The transfiguration of our Lord Jesus happened on the eighth day(Luke 9.28),which event foretells His power and His appearing (2 Peter 1.16-19)The disciples gathered to break bread on the first day of the week, which is the eighth day (Act. 20.7);this is a new day for gathering.On the eighth day, also,the disciples gave their offering(1 Cor. 16.1,2),
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 10:35pm On Jul 15, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
You will soon find out that "the Gap Theory" is from man. I wish you good success in your studies. smiley
Ok bro,will definitely do.but,we all have to be objective in this regards.because His words are always pure and perfect.errors are always from the channels/interpretation of same Word.which is us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 12:47am On Jul 15, 2017
Bro you are giving me a hard time.
Will come back on this later next week,very busy now.cherish my course(Geology)though I love our Father more.
The bible is very complete.all errors of interpretation is from man.
Will definitely respond by His Grace.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 8:37pm On Jul 10, 2017
On the third day, although the water was separated,there was still water covering the whole earth and there was no dry land. God commanded again, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear" (Gen. 1:9).What is spoken of here matches what we have already explained.God commanded, "Let the dry land appear," so there was land buried beneath the water for a long time which did not reappear until then.God did not say,"LET THE DRY LAND COME OUT OF NOTHING" He simply commanded the waters to withdraw, allowing the land which was originally created by Him to reappear.This further proves that the six-day work of God was one of restoration rather than creation..
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 8:31pm On Jul 10, 2017
On the second day God commanded again.God put air in the firmament to divide the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament.God separated the waters on the earth from the moisture of the atmosphere.Again,the scientists ought to praise this beautiful record.This is just the phenomenon of the expansion of the air,separating the water in the atmosphere from the water below;and yet the boundary is not immovable.The atmosphere above us can be filled with moisture as recorded in the Bible.This atmosphere is not a solid reservoir to reserve water in the heaven, because verse 20 mentions "fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."This open firmament is a region or sphere in which fowl could fly around.
"And God called the firmament Heaven" (v. cool. This "heaven" is different from the "heaven" in verse 1. "Heaven" in verse 1 denotes the whole universe with all its contents.The "heaven" in verse 8 is the "heaven" of this earth.The "heaven" in verse 1 did not deteriorate; only our earth and its celestial position were changed from its original condition due to God's judgment.God saw His works and considered that they were good on five of the six days. After the second day,the words "and God saw that it was good" were not mentioned.Does the Word of God overlook this day? "NO"the words which God omits are just as meaningful as the words He speaks.Every word and every phrase of the Bible is inspired by God.This omission has something to do with Satan. He is the ruler of the authority of the air (Eph. 2:2).The demons under him are the "spiritual forces of evil in the heavenlies" (Eph. 6:12). God probably saw the air as the dwelling place of Satan and his demons.That is why He did not say that "it was good". Since the air is the headquarters of the kingdom of darkness, most of Satan's work starts from the air.Therefore, when we come together to meet or pray,we should ask God to cleanse the atmosphere with the precious blood of the Lord,in order that we may not be oppressed by Satan.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 8:08pm On Jul 10, 2017
We should know that each of the six days is a twenty-four hour day.In the Bible a day is often used to represent a period of time,such as"the day of the Lord,"etc.But the six days are not six periods.No christain without preconceived opinions would consider these as periods of time.Whenever the Bible uses "day" to stand for a period,there is no numerical indication associated with it.If there is a number before the day,it must indicate the time of one revolution of the earth. Furthermore, it clearly states "the evening and the morning were the first day" (v. 5). Combining evening and morning as the first day is an indication of a twenty-four hour day. Moreover, God later established a Sabbath, according to His own rest on the seventh day.The Sabbath in Exodus 20 is a twenty-four hour day. If the seventh day is a twenty-four hour day,then the six preceding days must also be twenty-four hour days.Again, if we consider these six days as six geological periods, then what corresponds to the "evenings" of these geological periods, and what corresponds to the "mornings" of these periods? Furthermore, if these six days correspond to six geological periods,there would have been no grass or trees on the earth before the third period,and there would have been no animal fossils on the earth before the sixth period. But this is not the case, because there is no separation between animals and plants in the "GEOLOGICAL STRATA"below the surface of the earth. If the six days were six long periods,then Adam,who was created in the sixth period, would have had to live a long time in paradise before he could have committed sin.Moses, who wrote the book of Genesis,had no thought of using days to represent periods.We must not twist the Word of God to fit our own concept or to lessen people's attack.If we explain the Bible according to our own idea, we will be blamed by others and also put the Holy Scripture in jeopardy.With these proofs we must conclude that these six days were just six days and not six periods.Our God is almighty; one day is sufficient for Him to restore.There is no need for six periods.But since it pleased Him to restore the world in six days, we need to humbly observe God's work and praise His greatness.Why should we adapt ourselves to the opinion of unregenerated people? We know that if geology is correct,the period between verse 1 and verse 2 is long enough to produce all the geological formations of the earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 7:52pm On Jul 10, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
I don't think you took time to read my response otherwise you wouldn't be asking these questions. Let me break it down to you verse by verse:

Job 9:4-5 reads:

"He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who has hardened himself against him, and has prospered? Which removes the mountains, and they know not; which overturns them in his anger"

Job is here answering his friends by rehearsing some of the terrible effects of the catastrophic flood during the time of Noah. Note that he said "which removes the mountains." This means mountains that had been formed before the great flood of Noah was eroded away when Noah's flood came and this was deposited as sediments in the pre flood seas. These later were uplifted to form the post flood mountains and this explains why Job said God "overturned them." Scientists have found out that many of sediments that was deposited this way were still deformed before they could be hardened into solid rocks.

Job 9:6:

"Which shakes the earth out of her place, and pillars thereof tremble"

If you read Genesis 7:11 where it says "all the fountains of the great deep broken up" This was describing the event at the beginning of Noah's flood where great earth movements followed continuously throughout the year of the flood and continue even till today in recurrent earthquakes all over the earth.

Job 9:7

"Which commands the sun, and it rise not; and sealeth up the stars"

If you read Genesis 1:7 you will see that the pre-flood "waters which were above the firmament" explains the reason why sun and the stars were blotted out for the first time in history. The waters above the firmament had originally formed a vast blanket of transparent water vapour and small ice crystals which got condensed into thick clouds of liquid water, this is what explains the darkness that Job was referring to and this darkness continued for about 5 months (See Genesis 7:24-8:3 that I quoted earlier), until all the waters had poured down on the earth to produce the flood.

So you can see that it was not as a result of God's judgment of satan and the earth it was as a result of God's judgment on the sinfulness of man and the earth suffered for it. smiley
Hmmm,I have my own conviction,but let's look at Verses in Jobs word and also the 6days.
Gods work of restoration(not just the judgement I spoke earlier)mentioned by Job He says,"Which alone spreadeth out the heavens,and treadeth upon the high peaks of the sea; which maketh Arcturus,Orion,and Pleiades,and wonders without number"(Job 9:8-10)The phrase"spreadeth out the heavens"indicates God's work on the second day.God divided the waters with a firmament in their midst, and this firmament was called Heaven.So the "high peaks of the sea" probably indicates the waters above the firmament.The phrase "maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades" indicates God's work on the fourth day. The word "MAKETH" does not mean "CREATES" but "FASHIONS"God did not create stars at this time,but He fashioned anew the existing stars.In Job 9:7 it says,"Sealeth up the stars."This shows that the stars already existed.Genesis 1:16 says,"He made the stars also." This was a restoration to their condition before they were sealed.
Brief discussion on the "6Days"
1.In Genesis(1:3)God began His work of restoration.He called out for light because the face of the deep was dark,and this light divided the light from the darkness.There was light before, and now light came back.We now understands that besides the sun there are other sources of light.Light is an energy from an unknown source that produces vibrations of the ether around the universe.(Of course, the light that we now see relates to the burning of the sun as well as other sources of light.)
Concerning this point,they are fully in darkness; but faith knows."And God said, Let there be light: and there was light" (Gen. 1:3).It does not say that light was created or brought into being by God on the first day. Light has not existed for merely six thousand years.Before light came,darkness was confined to one place,the face of the deep (i.e., the whole earth).Darkness was confined to this one assigned place.When light appeared,it appeared in the same dark place,the whole earth. When God said, "Let there be light" (v. 3), the whole universe was not in darkness.God was merely commanding the light to appear on the surface of this earth.
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.And the evening and the morning were the first day"(v. 5). God did not create the light here because it had existed for a long time;He just called out the light. . "And the evening and the morning were the first day" (v. 5). "Morning" was the time when the light of the first day appeared.If there were no light before the first day,then the "evening" mentioned here does not make sense.The "evening" came first, and then "the morning."If the morning indicates the time when the daylight first appeared,and if there was no light before the first day,then the evening would indicate the darkness before the light,which would be the prolonged darkness mentioned in verse 2.If that were the case, would not the first evening have been too long?If the evening of the first day was the darkness in verse 2,then the first day would have started from the darkness of the formlessness and void in Gen1:2. But Genesis clearly does not consider the formlessness and void as the first day. Hence,before the "evening" of the first day,there was light already.However, this light was not shining on the earth.God called the darkness Night, but "the evening," being different from the night, "WAS A DARKNESS UNDER CONTROL OF THE LIGHT"For this reason,light existed before "the evening" of the first day; otherwise, how could we differentiate between the evening and the morning? Furthermore, the Bible does not say that God created light on the first day; He just commanded light to appear. Where was the light from?If it was not from the earth which was without form and void and in entire darkness, it must surely have been from the beginning when God created the heaven and the earth in Gen1:1.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 7:38am On Jul 09, 2017
We continue in the evening.was very busy yesterday.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 3:58am On Jul 08, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
First of all, Ezekiel 28 was a prophecy concerning the king of Tyre who had allowed satan to use him just as the king of Babylon or Judas. The Garden of Eden referred to there was probably the heavenly Eden whose design was used to build the earthly Eden that Adam occupied. I hope you remember that God gave Moses a pattern of the heavenly tabernacle to build here on earth. Satan lost his beauty when his heart was lifted up and then cast down from his heavenly Eden to the earthly Eden when he tempted Adam to fall in the garden. There is nowhere in the Scriptures where God said He created a previous world, if there were Jesus would have referred to it.



I agree that they are different just as the New Jerusalem is different from the earthly one. smiley
Eze28:1-10
We can relate that to the king of tyre
But from 11-18 has nothing to do with the king of tyre.these was thousand of year ago before tyre came into existence.
Was satan ever in the new Jerusalem?No
Then how can he be in the heavenly Eden
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 3:38am On Jul 08, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
The fact that you cannot see this happening after Noah's Flood amazes me. Job is here recounting the terrible effects of Noah's global Flood. The pre-flood hills were eroded away by the flood waters these were later uplifted to form the hills after the flood subsided thus in effect "overturning them."

I don't know if you are aware that some of the pre-flood waters that was above the firmament in Genesis 7:11, that was originally in the form of large blanket of transparent water vapour got condensed into thick clouds of liquid water and it was this that blotted out the light of the sun and stars for the first time in history after the flood. This continued for 5 months (See Genesis 7:24-8:3) until the waters had all poured down on the earth to produce the flood. This is a direct result of God's judgment on the earth as was told to Noah and not the so called judgment on satan in a previous world.
Noah Flood??
How/Where does Job chapter 9 relate to the flood??
During the flood was the sun and stars shot out?
2.when were the constellation created,is it pre/after the flood?
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 11:38pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
There is no gap in Genesis 1:1 and 2. In the beginning God started with the raw materials He had created and went on to describe how He created from day 1. Adam was created on day 6. Let's not look for gaps where there are none.
Job mentioned the failure of Satan's rebellion in order to show that it is foolish to dispute with God.
Job9:4 God is wise in heart and mighty in strength.
Who has hardened himself against Him and prospered?
5 He removes the mountains, and they do not know
When He overturns them in His anger;
6 He shakes the earth out of its place,
And its pillars tremble;
7 He commands the sun, and it does not rise;
He seals off the stars
Job 9:4-7).When did God do this?When did He shake the mountains and the earth,and alter the position of the celestial bodies due to man's stubbornness towards Him? Since the time of Adam, such an act of God in the world has not been seen.This passage must be a description of God's judgment on Satan and on the earth under his dominion when he rebelled. At that time God shook the earth and overturned the mountains. The calamity came so swiftly that the mountains were overturned unnoticed.In addition to the earth, the positions of the celestial bodies were also affected.Because of God's judgment,the sun disappeared completely and the stars did not shine.The world was plunged into darkness.There was no sun and no heat was produced. Consequently,this led to the glacial epoch on this earth.Then, after a long period of time, possibly due to internal heat at the earth's core (Rev. 9:2), the ice gradually melted.However, the sun had not yet appeared and the stars were still "sealed up."When the Spirit of God began to move, there was the deep, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.Gen1:2.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 11:00pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
The lamentation was about the king of Tyre which could also be allured to Lucifer who was also a creation of God. Satan could have fallen between day 6 after Adam was created and shortly before Adam's fall. There is nothing suggesting that Lucifer's fall was before God's creation, we don't have to compromise the word of God because we want to please the words of men (Gap theory).
The king of tyre was never in Eden.we are talking of creation not someone "born" thousands of years later.he typifies lucifer.
The first part of Ezekiel 28:13 says,"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;every precious stone was thy covering"When we read Genesis 3,we indeed see Satan there. However,he was not being covered by"every precious stone";he was tempting Adam and Eve.Hence,the two gardens of Eden are not of the same time.In Adam's garden of Eden, Satan had fallen,whereas here,it clearly depicts the situation before his fall.Hence, the garden of Eden here must be earlier than the one at Adam's time.if so, then it must not have belonged to the present world but to the previous one.
2.This garden of Eden,like the coming New Jerusalem,had many precious stones,such as sardius, beryl, etc. The garden of Eden where Adam lived was not like this.The Bible focuses only on the trees and does not say anything concerning their being covered with precious stones. Hence, the garden of Eden here must be different from that of Adam and is much earlier.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 10:16pm On Jul 07, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Let's just stay with the Scriptures and not put words into it to suit the words of men. Our Lord Jesus Christ who created the world said that Adam and Eve was created from the beginning of creation. They were created just 5 days from the beginning of God's creation and that is a historical fact. cool
You said they were created in the begining right?
My question is which of the begining?
Were they created in Gen1:1 when God created the heavens and the earth.because in Gen1:1 God have already created the heavens and earth,were they included in that creation?
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 10:52pm On Jul 06, 2017
Eze28:11 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
The above verses was talking about Lucifer in the garden of Eden!!
And this has to do with Gen1:1 not the Eden of Adam in the 7days recreation.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m): 9:04pm On Jul 06, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Who should we now believe? Jesus who said "from the beginning of creation" or you who says "from the beginning of recreation"? I have chosen to believe the report of the Lord. smiley
Which of the creation?
Was Adam and Eve created in Gen1:1?
Was Gen1:1 and Gen1:2 included in the 7days recreation?
Or should we include Gen1:1 and Gen1:2 to the first day of recreation which started in Gen1:3?
Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Question by ichuka(m): 11:08pm On Jul 05, 2017
1Peter2:13-17
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
Christianity Etc › Re: Numbers!! by ichuka(op): 10:59pm On Jul 05, 2017
Number "7"
The book of Revelation is a book of many sevens.it has seven visions,seven words of praising the Lord God and the Lamb, seven Spirits before the throne of God,seven golden lampstands,seven lamps of fire,the Lamb having seven horns and seven eyes,seven angels blowing seven trumpets,seven thunders,seven heads of the beast,seven bowls of God’s seven plagues,and seven mountains representing seven kings.the book uses "7" 56 times.this number 7 stands for dispensational perfection, which is temporary perfection.
Christianity Etc › Re: Old Earth Vs. Young Earth—What Are The Core Issues In The Debate? by ichuka(m):
OLAADEGBU:
"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6).

Can you see the Genesis record Jesus quoted from when He referred to "the beginning of the creation"? This proves my point that God made Adam and Eve at the very beginning and not some 4.5 billion years after the beginning (Genesis 1:26-27).
Still not getting my point.
When God created the Heavens and Earth in Genesis1:1.theres was no mention of humans.
Genesis1:2 says that the earth created in the begining was "NOW" Formless and Filled with Darkness!!!
My bro,God can never create something that's formless/shapeless and filled with Darkness.
Something has already happened to the earth created by God in Gen1:1 to be formless and filled with Darkness.
Gen1:3 was "THE BEGINING OF THE RECREATION OF THE EARTH"
So Adam and Eve were created in the begining of God recreation of the earth.
Isaiah45:18,says
For thus saith Jehovah that created the heavens, the God that formed the earth and made it, that established it and created it not a "WASTE"that formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah; and there is none else.
The earth was created in the begging to be inhabited(Gen1:1) but it became a wasteland(Gen1:2)
Before God started recreation in(Gen1:3).

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