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andrew444:
They will never stop getting insults from people like me .

I am just calm this days reading comments,but when I get fed up with some of their comment I will speak my mind,for now there is peace.

Good morning chief

Good morning Andrew my guy. I understand that feeling.

Pls tamper Justice with Mercy. We just need to live in Peace here.

The best thing is just to ignore if u don't have the patience.

forgiveness:
Which fact is twisted?

Did Iwobi play one single match for Arsenal in the league or league cup competition before he was called to play for the SE? Yes or No?

When did Iwobi play for Sheffield Wednesday? Before or after he played for Nigeria?


Now look below.

Iwobi already played for the SE before he made his debut for Sheffield Wednesday. Fact

The purple line showed Iwobi was plucked from the Arsenal U19 academy team straight to the national team which is the red line before he made his debut for the Arsenal against Sheffield Wednesday as you can see the blue. You are not dull enough to the difference in the date. Are you?

So, don't come here to twist fact but accuse others.

Else tell me the fact that was twisted?

The confirmed fact is that you are a "Fact twister".

Alex Iwobi was enlisted as a Senior team player right from the commencement of the 2015/2016 season. He was already training with the senior team members even after his preseason showing and making match day squads.

He only made his début after playing for Nigeria. That doesn't mean he was an academy player as at when he played for Nigeria. He was already making Arsenal's bench.

It is Normal for young newly promoted players to still be taking part in Youth games especially as they are not yet getting playing time with the senior team so as to still keep fit.

Iheanacho even after being promoted to City's senior team still played U23 football at that time.

Even Ahmed Musa at a time started playing for Leicester U23 team does that make him an academy player?

So your twisted fact that Iwobi was picked straight from the academy is a big fat twisted lie.

You just dey make people dey insult you here because of these your twisted approaches.

I am done please.

ChrisKels:
A lion in China and pussy cat in Nigeria

According to a CSL journalist, Here is the reason Ighalo is a scumbag in the GWG;


"Ighalo is loved and respected by fans of his club but in the league he is viewed like any other player despite his current status as the second top scorer in the top division. His goals have a touch of luck and lack of finesse “

” This season he has scored seven times from the spot unlike last season, where only two of his 15 goals came from penalties. Beside Chinese teams don’t invest in defenders, so most times he is up against very poorly organised teams.

” His wealth of experience should not be discarded though but it appears the drop in his game at international level has a lot to do with the lack of competition he faces in China and the easy way which he scores against these school boy defenders unlike for Nigeria, where opponents of Nigeria’s national teams are drilled to defend when up against him”

Haha, but a Lion is also a Cat.

edi287:
Iwobi made his debut against Sheffield United. Before that he played in Preseason against Lyon and scored.

Forget those two guys. Their usual way of twisting facts to bring a player down.

Always fighting dirty, little wonder they easily receive insults from peeps.

Odunayaw:
Don't hold your breath on Lobi at all. I foresee the next caf club competition season we'd be hustling in Confed Cup (If you know,you know)

I am just hungry for our slots too

Lobi? I no fit shout.

Odunayaw:
Seems it was a worthwhile match

Anyway its a Ranger - Pillar affair next. I just hope whichever represents the country does well in cafcc

These 2 are better campaigners on the continent than some of the ones that have been representing us in the last 2 years. I no wan call names. If u know them u know them.

Between the two any one that wins will do.

Lobi and any these two need to go and snatch back our lost slots on the continent

komekn:
Pulling down and stating the facts that are proven truths are two entirely different things.

What is the issue ❓ DOUBLE HYPOCRITICAL STANDARD

Nobody is pulling Iwobi down.

I am saying that the standard that got Iwobi into the SE has been exceeded by a huge margin by Maja. Iwobi had not achieved what Maja had achieved before he was invited to the SE.

The same can be said of Ebere Eze in comparison to Iwobi, we are back to double standard.

Compare the Nwakali brothers and Osimhen none of them should have been invited to the SE they simply did not merit the call then and even now.

Nobody is promoting Josh just stating the facts and asking for a comparison of facts. Without prejudice.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-tottenham-southampton-keeping-13385470

Was the state/standard of the national team when Iwobi broke-in in 2015 same as the current standard in 2018?

This is not like mathematics where 1+1=2 both in 1830 and in 2018.

Haha the bar has been raised bro.

I gave a simple example of how Iheanacho would not have smelt the national team during the era of Martins, Yakubu, Ike Uche, Utaka and Osaze. The bar was a lot higher then.

And our dream is to continue to raise the current bar so that only players with proven quality can make it in.

Isahalbash:
I tink so after d Senegal friendly in London due to visa issue.

Yeah I remember now. The game was to hold in France right?

Isahalbash:
I tink so after d Senegal friendly in London due to visa issue.

Yeah I remember now. The game was to hold in France right?

TheSuperNerd:
The clown is even saying that Nacho was not the highest scorer in Leicester U-23 when Nacho only played a total of ONE whole game and even scored a goal in that game.

So how is such a player with ONE appearance for the Leicester U-23s (made when they were assessing his fitness level) supposed to be top scorer in a whole PL 2 when others have played over 19-25 games more than the Nacho??

And of all the strikers he only picked out Nacho to downplay subtly... See the lenthh he spent trying to convince us that Nacho will not burn down the low league called League one... Habayakata!!!! This is too much!... Can you imagine the effontery... the dark arts of their foolery and hypocritical goobledygook.. the obvious hate and disdain that Clown from the Queen's ass have for this kid called Nacho?? He suddenly forgets how Nacho was tearing things up so easily for Man City EDS at age 18 that Pellegrini and Co had to fast track his promotion to the first team.

Why do we entertain these clueless buffoons sef? Komekn's idiocy and selective amnesia is becoming really really really worse than the word "rotten".... The man is a joke for real. Tufiakwa!

I say cheers to the foolish facts-twisting, truth-bending, and obviously blind fanatical rantings of Southgate. It is unprecedented.

Son, abeg I wan enter house go rest. When u finish come enter house. Ya mama say food go soon ready.

chrisooblog:
iwobi had impressed in pre-season with Arsenal that's what got him his first invite for the friendlies against cameroon and congo dr. it was his impressive performance for Arsenal in the latter part of the season like the match against everton where he scored his debut goal that really earned him his first competitive call up against egypt. even at that he came off the bench in that match.

no doubt about it iwobi was already in the periphery of the Arsenal first team squad for the 2015/2016 season and not this propaganda you and your tagteam partner are spewing giving the impression that alex was plucked from the arsenal u19s straight to national team

if you erroneously think the national team boosts people career how come sunday mba, agbim, igboun, rueben gabriel, odunlami, oshaniwa, mobi okparaku, gbenga okunowo just to mention a few didn't go on to have long illustrious careers

On point jare.

There are some things I read here and I just begin to wonder.

These two guys will always want to argue in favor of a player or players that are not in the team. Invite the Josh Maja now and they will say he didn't deserve the call up and start fronting another player and start pulling down Josh Maja just to promote the other player. And the cycle continues.

They just like being on the complaining or protesting side. I don't even know if they are Protestants.

Abeg, I don't like arguments that revolve in cycles.

komekn:
Sone Aluko di not leave, check your history and look at the impact Sone Aluko had for the SE then explain why he was dropped. But dont imply in such a way it misleads as if he refused to honour invitations to the SE.

I said position left by Sonne Aluko due to his exclusion by Oliseh.

If a Land lord evicts a tenant what can the land lord say? " Look at the condition he left my House " . Will I now say "he did not leave you chased him away"?

komekn:
Iwobi was not even considered as a major prospect in the England youth set up at at 16 there was talk of dropping himat Arsenal. He was called to the SE when he had not played one game for Arsenal first team, no doubt his Uncle JJay had some influence.

Josh Maja at 17 when Sunderland were in the EPL had already played for the first team. At 18 he had played 17 games in the championship now at 19 he has played 12 games and scored 9 goals that is a phenomenal strike rate for a teenager.

Isaac success in now his third season in the EPL and in his third season scored one goal that is what some cal progress here. KC in his second season in the EPL scored in total 4 goals for Leicester.

Some have said that if KC was in league one he would be scoring for fun, football doesn't work like that. I will ask how many games did KC after his move to Leicester play for the U23 and how many goals did he score So i cant be the top goal scorer in the youth league you think he will automatically be top goal scorer in league one. i very much doubt it.

League one is not as easy as some think ask the EPL clubs beaten by league one clubs I watched Tottenham struggle against Shrewsbury town.

In my opnion Josh Maja is the most in form potent srtriker availbale to the SE right now, however , if that will transfer to international football is another question. But we will never know until he is given opportunity and if we keep wasting time Southgate will not and he will be in Englands u21 while we wait for our so called SPECIAL TALENTS who have done nothing and are still doing nothing.

We have a bright star who is boiling hot and some are debating if he is good enough.

Wait, do you and Forgiveness usually have a meeting every morning and decide on what and what to say or what to defend? Some people are already insinuating you are one person.

The same gimmicks. Now because u want to promote Josh Maja, you are trying so hard to pull Iwobi down.

Honestly, people that engage u guys on long arguments dey try.

If u guys think Buhari will do anything u are on a long thing. As long as it didn't affect herdsmen and their cattle he will careless.

komekn:
Currently without the emotive hype of some of the blind fanatics here.

Which of our strikers is rated higher than Josh Maja by Managers and scouts in the EPL RIGHT NOW I can give you the answer NONE.

I think that first paragraph should refer to ur case with the English born. Lol!!

Isahalbash:
He meant Burkina Faso.

Was there any planned friendly with Burkina Faso that was cancelled?

forgiveness:
You mean an academy player can to fill the position of Mikel Obi and Sone Aluko who were still in form of their lives?

Iwobi never deserved to be called in the first place but today we are reaping the rewards courtesy of FB advocates like us.

Prior to his call, you fought against anything foreign breed, not to talk of an academy player.

Mikel was not being played as an AM then. It was Aluko in the last days of Keshi. Mikel started playing AM under Siasia's 2016 Olympics team. Iwobi was introduced in 2015 alongside Silvester Igboun.

Aluko and his club were related and Oliseh came in with a policy of no lower league player in the Super Eagles. I am sure u recall. So Aluko's position in the team became vacant and Iwobi came in and made us not miss Aluko.

Now on the issue of foreign born. I hope u know, or maybe u had not joined this forum, I was about the first here to recommend Iwobi to the SE. Even then he was no longer an academy player but a senior team player. You have once again started with ur gimmick of pulling down a player just to make ur point.

And I have always opined that only foreign born players who can add value should be invited. I am only against the indiscriminate call of every Dick and Harry born in Europe.

forgiveness:
What did Iwobi do that made his talent obvious? Nada

He was an academy player. Fact

Josh already played for Sunderland in EFL cup and made the bench in the EPL. That tells alot about a 17 years old lad.

We were never lacking in the AMF position because Some was inform of his life in 2015.

Josh Maja, Eze, Billing, Ejara, Lookman etc have made more names for themselves than Iwobi ever made before he was called.

Foresight is the problem.

If you say you did not see Iwobi's obvious talent even before he was invited, well then........

TheSuperNerd:
We also called up a new player from the championship in Semi Ajayi. It shows we, at the very least, are trying to recruit some good quality out of the very many FBs out there.

And I am for us capping as many as we can but the reality is that it won't happen that way. That is the truth. We have a team we are building upon and we cannot call up all those names you reeled out at the same time or within same period.

Do you remember when the long list of FBs used to include Iwobi, Aina, Idowu, Ebuehi, Semi Ajayi (when he was at Arsenal youth), etc?

Now look how far we have come... We got some of these now and so far our recruitment of these players have been largely vindicated. They are all contributing in their own ways to the good and growth of the team. But it all did not happen at once. Team building must be considered alongside the recruitmemt drive. It is not all that straightforward.

The only negative I see now is missing out on capping Eze Ebere in this international window. He addresses a problem we have in the team. But now Rohr admits his mistake stylishly and now knows he would have to go through the wahala process of switching allegiance to Nigeria from England after the lad is capped for the England U-20s. And I believe even Ebere Eze is willing to switch as it is his dream to play for us according to the last time I read reports on his international aspirations. But we must make the first step by beginning his allegiance switch process and I hope we do.


Now in conclusion... I understand England is a threat to us having some of these quality youngsters hence the need to beat England at their own game but I cannot say now that because of these, we must prioritise the FBs first and only above our other fine prospects of indigenous extraction that are now based in Europe. We must be balanced in our approach to both camps of prospects. Josh Maja is a fine prospect but so also is Awoniyi, Osimhen and a host of others.

I would say that we make the most pressing issues in our team the topmost priority, before any other, among the foreign borns in our recruitment drive. If I were head of the scouting and recruitmemt team, this will be my approach. It would be targeting first the FB prospects that addresses the weakness in our team before considering going after any other FB prospect that only multiplies our options in our strong depts. Finito.

Exactly, invite players that will address the immediate weaknesses in the team. Whether foreign born or locally born

TheSuperNerd:
We also called up a new player from the championship in Semi Ajayi. It shows we, at the very least, are trying to recruit some good quality out of the very many FBs out there.

And I am for us capping as many as we can but the reality is that it won't happen that way. That is the truth. We have a team we are building upon and we cannot call up all those names you reeled out at the same time or within same period.

Do you remember when the long list of FBs used to include Iwobi, Aina, Idowu, Ebuehi, Semi Ajayi (when he was at Arsenal youth), etc?

Now look how far we have come... We got some of these now and so far our recruitment of these players have been largely vindicated. They are all contributing in their own ways to the good and growth of the team. But it all did not happen at once. Team building must be considered alongside the recruitmemt drive. It is not all that straightforward.

The only negative I see now is missing out on capping Eze Ebere in this international window. He addresses a problem we have in the team. But now Rohr admits his mistake stylishly and now knows he would have to go through the wahala process of switching allegiance to Nigeria from England after the lad is capped for the England U-20s. And I believe even Ebere Eze is willing to switch as it is his dream to play for us according to the last time I read reports on his international aspirations. But we must make the first step by beginning his allegiance switch process and I hope we do.


Now in conclusion... I understand England is a threat to us having some of these quality youngsters hence the need to beat England at their own game but I cannot say now that because of these, we must prioritise the FBs first and only above our other fine prospects of indigenous extraction that are now based in Europe. We must be balanced in our approach to both camps of prospects. Josh Maja is a fine prospect but so also is Awoniyi, Osimhen and a host of others.

I would say that we make the most pressing issues in our team the topmost priority, before any other, among the foreign borns in our recruitment drive. If I were head of the scouting and recruitmemt team, this will be my approach. It would be targeting first the FB prospects that addresses the weakness in our team before considering going after any other FB prospect that only multiplies our options in our strong depts. Finito.

Exactly, invite players that will address the immediate weakness in the team. Whether foreign born or locally born

TheSuperNerd:
Okay... But I need to be clear about what you mean by "bf". Can't wrap my head around what it means right now. Lol

Maybe he meant Biafra.

TheSuperNerd:
A 19 year old Iheanacho for no smell even ballboy for wia those men dem dey not to talk of debut sef....... Martins that was our Weapon of mass destruction then... Yakubu called the Yak... Utaka nicknamed the attacker... Osaze the flying russinigerian... Ike Uche the dazzler!! Haba!!! Nacho for wait tire.... Lol

E come be Josh Maja.

Na so dem dey invite players?

superbloke:
Thank you! Some guys here were making demaria gray seem like the next big star just to prove kelechi was useless last season, even when there was nothing spectacular about him asides showboating and selfish play.

If Kelechi were to be foreign born, the same people would have been shouting for him to be invited and capped. But since he's already ours, he's ordinary. We just want to be inviting anybody that bears a Nigerian name and was born outside Nigeria.

Exactly!

forgiveness:
Was Iwobi ready?

Iwobi was ready to fill a vacant AM position left by Silvester Igboun and Sonne Aluko.

forgiveness:
What did Iwobi do before he was called to the national team at that crucial time?

The boy even almost changed the game against Egypt.

Iwobi's talent and potentials were so very obvious for everyone to see. I don't think any right thinking person here objected to his invitation.

As at that time the Super Eagles was lacking in the AM position because even Mikel was playing DM at Chelsea and CM for the Super Eagles.

Iwobi featured prominently in Arsenal's preseason tour. Iwobi was 19 and just got promoted to Arsenal's Senior team while Josh Maja was just 17 playing for Sundaland Youth team.

All players do not have equal abilities. And also the need to quickly fill a gap in the team determines how quickly youngsters will get included. If someone like Iheanacho emerged at the time we had likes of Yakubu, Martins, Utaka, Osaze and Ike Uche as strikers you think he will get his cap as quickly as he did?

Fact that Iheanacho and Iwobi got callups at 18/19 doesn't mean every other player should get same.

forgiveness:
That question is left for the opposition to answer.

It's not about calling random names, it's about the ability to spot one among a million. That is what set up apart.

The opposition told you then that the boy was not ready and even now that the boy cannot displace any of the current strikers. So what did and has tribalism got to do with that?

TheSuperNerd:
He is not the only future prospect and he is not the most outstanding among the future prospects. Even Taiwo Awoniyi is yet to smell the camp of the national team after a very solid season at ZW in Belgium last season and have started this season quite decently at least.
Ebere Eze nko... You saw that article I posted from Colin Udoh. They mentioned Ebere (who they have made harder to get now), Billing and even Ejaria. And I strongly believe the midfield is where we need to channel more of our attention to especially the CAM role. Not the attack. We are stocked in the attack. Even the Isaac Success that was called up is just 22. He is also the future. We still have Osimhen who is 19 and having a fine start to life in the Belgium topflight... Awoniyi is also there and is 21. So Josh Maja is not and never the only prospect we have in attack. He is not even better than what we have in the Super Eagles.

Any one of our strikers/forwards can go to league one and tear things up with aplomb... Ighalo will do it. Nacho will definitely do much more. Onyekuru was born for goals..he will paint League one like red fire paint. Success will burn it the ground with his beastly plays.

So you see.... It is not going to be easy. So deal with it. Josh Maja's time will hopefully come and I do hope we can cap him just to secure him but even that will have to come at a small cost. Dropping any of the Eight forwards (Ighalo, Success, Iheanacho, Iwobi, Kalu, Onyekuru, Simon Moses, Musa) and then ignoring any of the fringes in Kayode, Simy, and also ignoring our other bright prospects in Osimhen and Awoniyi. If Rohr can afford it then fine... But if he thinks or feels he cannot at this time then I don't blame him. We are loaded in attack.

It is only in midfield I know we have to act really fast because we have our weakness there in the CAM role in Mikel's absence. Let us be strategically truthful about what we really need. We must recruit in a vector manner and not act like scalars.

Exactly! They don't know that all these calls for capping A, capping B or C for the "future" comes at a Price.

When Rohr was capping Osimhen for the future and then we lost to SA what did he do? He discarded him and went for strikers who could give him immediate result. We were 1-0 down against SA we needed to bring in another striker just to add to the striking force but unfortunately the reserve fire power we had was an uncapped inexperienced 19years old Osimhen whose major aim of being in the team was to train with the others. That is what capping a player who is not ready can do to your team. It limits your options. Rohr learnt it in a hard way. Did you see him do it again?

Rohr had to assess K. Nwakali with the Athletico and Liberia games because they were almost meaningless. Even against a lowly Seychelles Rohr did not try playing K. Nwakali, not even when we were 3-0 up!

When he was clamoring for this Josh Maja was even when we were about to commence the WCQ! You have not secured your result for today u are capping for the future . Ask Rohr how far.

forgiveness:
That is why we are different. The bold was exactly my point.


Besides, recommending players is never the problem, the problem is the suspicious minds of those who see your recommendation as nepotism and Tribalism. That's my point.

As at that 2016 we should cap Josh Maja that what? We saw a Messi or Ronaldo?

We should just be capping every dick and Harry teenager we see playing in Europe just to secure a future at the expense of getting a result today?

How can you tie the opposition to invitation of Joel Asoro and Josh Maja to tribalism? Can u even tie the names to any ethnic groups?

Besides, if anybody here calls 20 or 30 random names of teenagers today (like u always do) that may actually turn out good there is no way at least 1 or 2 will not come out good. So stop feeling like a Prophet.

forgiveness:
Well, what was your response on that post? I think that matters.

Even dad also use style call me names.

Internet doesn't forget.

However, that your post is dated 2017 but my was as far back as 2016. The difference is clear.

What was a 17 years old Josh Maja playing in 2016 that you were calling for his "immediate" inclusion in the Super Eagles team? He was no where near being ready. That post was way way off the mark.

Even now he is not better than any of our strikers in the team. I can only recommend him for the U23. The call for his Capping is just to secure him for the future just in case he turns out good.

Na only you dey recommend players here.

komekn:
Agreed without reservation

But you are one of Ighalo's strong defenders.

komekn:
Ejaria has played for England U21 and administratively cumbersome.

Billing I really don't know.

However Ebere and Maja should be much much easier if the NFF actually wake up from thier slumber.

Billing has played for Denmark U21.

safarigirl:
who are they excusing for?


Bigger SMH for you people. You remind me of Oliseh when he was talking big on Super Sports about Keshi's team, the day Pinnick mistakenly gave him work, my guy enter team scatter everything come leave Siasia make e use eba join wetin e scatter

Talk is cheap.


You are talking of problems and you are not preferring solutions. If Ighalo and Iheanacho are excused, who you wan use replace them? Which strikers do we have doing it big? Do you think it is easy to remove players and replace them?

So, after the double header, our next game against SA, you will bring in NEW, UNTESTED, UNPROVEN strikers and HOPE they score goals on their DEBUT for the National team? Where in the world are things done like that?


Please, give us a list of five strikers that can replace those two, so, we will see how to reason with you.

See me clapping.

Asking for players to be thrown away without replacement. Lol.

Just yesterday charlsemeka was saying also that we should do away with likes of Ogu, Onazi, Mikel and Joel. Ok, name replacements asides Eze he was mentioning Billings and Ejaria. Players that don't even have Nigerian passports yet.

I particularly like those 3 words u used NEW, UNTESTED and UNPROVEN. Those are the kind of players that are always the best players for them. Nigerian fans will not cease to amaze. They will not learn. That is why every World Cup we keep producing the youngest team with an inexperience tag, calling them a team for the future. Only to throw them out again looking for another group of "young, Hungary fresh bloods".

I am whole-heartedly with Rohr on his players selection. The only player I wished he had included was Ebere Eze. Team building is a gradual process. Massively throwing away old players and flooding the team with new players will only cause more harm to the team.

Safari like a quote you made recently " there is no best player anywhere ". This same Iheanacho they are attacking if he was not playing for the Super Eagles yet and is posting this same kind of performance at Leicester City we for no hear word here. They would have hyped him to high heavens and even threaten to kill Rohr if he doesn't Cap him.