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[quote author=rabzy post=71225291]Icons4 want to be throwing jabs and then ring the bell for end of the round.

Hmm..... Your knowledge of the north needs brushing or maybe you left out details on purpose. The Kanuri man has been fiercely independent for centuries, the TIvs instigated a strong riot based on ethnic identity long before Gowon made any decree.
The willinks commission of 1957 specifically looked at the agitation of minority groups who fear domination by the 3 major tribes. There was agitation for a Midwestern state in the west, calabar-ogoja-rivers in the east, and a middlebelt state in the north. The major reason it was Not implemented was that even after creating more states for the agitating states, other micro-minorities will still agitate that is, it will be an endless process.
After independence the only region that acquiesced to the yearning of the minority in their province was the western region, that says a lot about them. /quote]

Hahaha seems we have so many students of History here. Na make we no derail thread o. I couldn't have given all the details.

I am very much aware of the Kanuri up rising and their El-Kanemi and Idris Aloma stuff. Same with the Tiv agitation and what have you. But prior to 1967 as far as the Federation was concerned the North tabled their matters as a common front.

Do you know the Igbos suffered the highest casualties of the 1966 Riots in the Middle Belt more than in the Core North?

Then the average middle-beltan could defend the Northern agenda with his last blood. Not same today in 2018.

komekn:
My ancestral village came iis heavily influenced by the emergence of fan Igbo Prince who was banished from an Onitsha Kingdom over 400 years ago.

That Prince and his immediate clan inter married settled in the land and there was fusion of people's. My great grand father explained to me that one section of my village was called the Igbo side. However, that was in the last century.

Things have moved on and we have moved from Usobo to Uhrobo, we may have partly originated from the Igbo that doesn't make us Igbo. There are a number of influences from the Bini and Ijaw tribes.

People's evolve they do not remain static.

You must be from the part of Urhobo land that shares boundary with Igboland.

The effect of Ethnic Diffusion is common along ethnic boundaries. Some call it Ethnic corruption.

Victor Moses not listed in Chelsea's match day squad.

safarigirl:
na the divide and rule now. Telling cousins that they are not from the same family compound helps to ensure they never identify as one.

Exactly.

Joebie:
It appears we are saying the same thing. They are not Hausas, but how you apply your divide-and-rule logic here remains my question

On Divide and Rule in the North, are you telling me you don't know the effect of "Divide and Rule" in the North?

Please thread members forgive us for this digression we are discussing all for the good of Nigeria.

Prio to 1939 all we had were the Northern and Southern Regions. By 1939 the Southern Region was broken into the West and East.

At Independence, in 1960 we still had 3 Regions: The North, West, and Eastern Regions.

Along with the the 1963 constitution came the creation of the Midwestern Region carved out of the already existing Western Region. Meanwhile the North still remained one strong unified entity.

In 1967, following the declaration of Biafra, Gen. Yakubu Gowon broke up the Eastern Region into 3. This act which is largely responsible for the crack in the defense of the Biafran Territory was one of the greatest blows Ojukwu received. The South Eastern State (today's Cross River and Akwa-Ibom) and Rivers state (Today's Rivers and Bayelsa) were caved out of the Eastern Region. Meanwhile Lagos was carved out of the Western Region as the Federal Capital Territory. Now to the North, this was when the seed of separation was Sown after the Region remained United since amalgamation, which leads to the answer to your question.

The day Gowon divided the North was the day the Northern Unity developed fractures. In 1967, we had 6 states created out of the old Northern Region: Northwestern, Kano, North Eastern, Kwara, Kaduna, Benue-Plateau, and North Eastern state. People from each of these States started to develop their own identity subsequently. The middle belt awareness started creeping in as people from Kwara and Benue-Plateau states recognized their separate identity from the Core North.

Today they find it more convenient saying they are from the middle belt than to say they are from the North.

Let me give u a live example of how this Gowon's 1967 divide and rule policy has affected the North today. One of my security guards. who is from Plateau state, broke a bottle to stab an Igbo man who came for some maintenance work. What transpired between them? In the words of my security man: " I don dey tell this man make him no dey call me Aboki again. I no be Hausa. I be "Amo" from Plateau state". I paused and thought. What is Amo? I quickly figured out it is an Ethnic nationality in Plateau state.

So my brother, you see the length to which a Northern minority can go to defend his not being an Hausa man? That is a seed of Divide and Rule created by General Yakubu Gowon in an attempt to break up the Powers of the Old Eastern Region.

Can we go back to football now please....

safarigirl:
my mother is Anioma, she is very much Igbo and so are her people who identify so. These same Anioma people are the ones agitating for a state separate from the rest of Delta, and they want this state to be joined with the East as an Eastern State. That your last line get comma

You know the funny thing? It is even those who are far that are magnifying this "Aniomas, Ika, Ikwerre, Etche " people are not Igbos.

Na dem know o

Joebie:
So who is guilty of dividing the people in the North? Why are many people still calling all of them Hausa? The whites in America still know their different origins in terms of European nationalities. It’s simple teach it as a subject so people will have the knowledge. However, they still have the right to claim whatever they want to claim.

I say make I go una dey draw me back again.

OK, on people of the North, have you really been close to a Tiv, Birom, Jukun, Idoma, Angas, Igala, Gbagi, or Shendam man? If not look for any around you and called him a "malam". Then come back here and testify.

rabzy:
I wonder if you can, statements like your last sentence will make people come for you, they will sting and draw you out. Your firewood has ants and the lizards will come for them.

Hahahaha. Bros like I said . I am done, back to football.

DrLikita12:
There are arguments on Nairaland and Facebook where people 'reject' claims that they are part of larger ethnic groups. Most of us outside of these ethnic groups do not know the history behind their claims so we do not know if these claims have some historical proof or if they are emotional reactions to events that occurred in the past.
For example I used to follow a lady on Facebook who used to say she is Ika and not Igbo and people would keep arguing over this, some other people would also and make similar statements. A man once said he is Okun not Yoruba during one of these arguments, another said he's Ikwerre and not Igbo.
In any case, my point is that these people have the right to associate with whoever/whatever makes them feel comfortable and you cannot blame 'outsiders' who come away believing that Ikas and Ikwerres are not Igbos.
It is the same way I don't appreciate being called Hausa when I introduce myself to people. I know how annoying it is so I try not to do it to other people. I think Komekn is coming from a similar place. If people say their from village A it's annoying and sometimes rude to insist they are from village B.

Very simple answer to that.

Divide and rule.

Separate Lagos from the South West Region and in 40years time see if an Isale-Eko man's children will not denounce being Yoruba. For instance, The Ikwerre's didn't know they were not Igbos until Rivers state was carved out of the Former Eastern Region.

Nigeria should forever remain thankful to Gen. Yakubu Gowon. He was really a man of foresight.


I finally rest my case.

rabzy:
This conversation will slowly devolve into something nasty and contentious which nairaland is rife with. It has always been simmering under the surface in many discussions and this is bringing it right into the open. Let's close this can of worms. Vicmo resignation should not kill this thread

Bros, I have rested my case.

Joebie:
Why not?

I am Pro-Nigeria and an advocate of Unity.

Just like I will not take some Igbo dialects dissociating themselves from the rest of the Igbo ethnic group I am also against the Secessionist moves by the Igbo ethnic group.

Well, lets not derail this thread. Let's discuss football.

Joebie:
Well u know how it is. You have to respect what other people claim as their identity. I think he said something like “they may be related” in one of his posts.

Talking of respecting what other people claim as their Identity.
Will you also respect a particular region of the country's claim of Secessionists identity?

Joebie:
Hahaha I remember that call card.

Sometimes you don’t necessarily have to travel to know. People shouldn’t be lazy about finding out about these things. Nigeria’s unity depends on we all getting to understand our different tribes and appreciating the uniqueness in our diversity. If you asked me I would say they should be a subject dedicated to this issue made compulsory in Nigerian schools.

We used to have social studies. But I understand it has been scrapped and merged with something else to form a New subject.

Knowing about people and places comes majorly from interest. You don't have to travel to a particular region and live with them to know about their way of life.

As I said before, personal interest to know about what goes on outside your environment is key here.

Joebie:
On your last paragraph, komekn only hinged on the fact that the Ikas and like would say they are not igbos. I don’t think he is denying thier origin.

Nops, he is clearly supporting there claim.

You saw how he jumped to claim people of Igbanke are closer to Esan than to the Igbos but when I gave him a link he mellowed.

I have a science/engineering back ground but I also developed very keen interest in History, Geography and Economics.

Joebie:
Very well said! Reminds me of ignorant Americans who rarely travel, saying Africa is a country.

Hahaha, I once entered a Chinese restaurant in the Middle East, I told them I am a Nigerian. And they were like "where is Nigeria? in America"?

There is a particular top-up card(forgotten the name) in the US we normally load to call our people back home. It has jungle trees and animals drawn on it. I was like "so this is the perception this people have about Africa"?

ChrisKels:
Please what time are my boys playing the Black Starlets?

I learnt it is 7Pm. But I have not confirmed.

Farzat:
When they talk of foreign born na u sabi pass because u were born there. When they talk of Nigerian tribes na u sabi pass because u have lived there. D other day u want drive from England to Morrocco. ONLY YOU for faceless forumn? Oya continue

Lol, leave my guy abeg.

How this thread for take sweet before?

komekn:
Name is not the overwhelming consideration for Tribal definition.

Across Agbor and people have names such as Idehen a clear Bini name. It doesn't make them Bini.

In Uhrobo land Okpara Okoro are popular names it doesn't make them Igbo.

Bros I take History very seriously so u cannot know the history of my ethnic group more than I do.

Let's leave it there so we don't derail this thread.

ChrisKels:
Dude has a half baked knowledge and he was so quick to call someone else ignorant.

Abeg Make una chaf this topic because if I join am, MODs will be forced to close down this thread.

Me just no wan too go deep.

komekn:
The owner of This Day publications Nduka Obiagbona is from Agbor. They speak Ika the language is also mixed with some Bini words and it's not just dialect difference it's far greater disparity between the two languages.

An Ika man does consider himself IGBO in any way AT ALL, by the way I have spoken to a lot of prominent Agbor citizens including Obiagbona and not one of them consider themselves Igbo.

Even those from Ibusa, Ogwash and further up the road and closer to Onitsha do not consider themselves as IGBO.

So maybe you have limited experience of the Nigerian ethnic tribal demographics disparities and origins. You should do more research first hand and academic.

What language is the name "Nduka"?

Secondly is Bukola Saraki a Yoruba man or not?

komekn:
I am sorry to use the term Ignorance but it's something I come across quite often.

Some people have such limited life experience and parochial view of Nigeria that they think Uhrobo, Ijaw, Ikwrre, Ogoni, etc are Ibo.

The Anioma people of Delta may be related to the Igbo but do not consider themselves as Igbo, I mean the Ika, Kwale, people to mention just a few.

Firstly, on the issue of ignorance of ethnicities in Nigeria. You will be amazed that even people that call themselves professors are also guilty of this. There are people who have hardly left their region yet have read about the different ethnic nationalities in Nigeria. But there are still some that have not gone out and yet have chosen not to read.

I know how difficult it was back then in my school days convincing some people that Urhobo, Ijaw, Ibibio, Efik, Bini and co are not Igbos.

I know the serious quarrel I had with some one back then when he told me Lawrence Aneni is "Ibo". I told him to his face that he is an illiterate. Something that didn't go down well with him.

Then on the issue of Anioma, Ika, Ikwerre not being Igbo. I just want to tell u in summary that they are Igbos. If I go deep down into this discussion I will derail this thread.

komekn:
I would disagree with you.

Igbanke is much closer to the Esan tribe than the Ibo in my travels in that area. The language they speak is much closer to Esan than Ibo.

Bros no need to talk too much, nothing Esan about Igbanke, they are related to the Agbor people of Delta. So they are Igbos. Igbanke people bear Igbo names. My family is in Edo i know what i am saying.

http://naijasky.com/orhionwon/303/history-of-igbanke-in-orhionmwon-local-government/3256/

Joebie:
Nigerians are ignorant about Nigerian tribes. If u give them exam many will fail.

Particularly those that have hardly left their regions.

There are many that believe anybody from the North is an Hausa.

There are some that also believe Edo, Delta, Rivers, etc are Igbos. To them if you are not Hausa or Yoruba then you are "Ibo".

komekn:
Ikpeba is from Sapele and clearly Uhrobo.
Aghahowa is a Benin man.

I thought Victor Nosakhare Ikpeba is from Benin.
I don't know of Ikpeba but Nosakhare is a Benin name.

nelszx:
Elderson is cousin to brila fm CEO Larry Izamoje, he's from Edo state not Anambra. Edo people most times answer names similar to Igbos.

There is an Igbo speaking part of Edo state.

They are called Igbanke. They bear Igbo names and speak an Igbo dialect. Their kinsmen are Agbor people across the border in Delta state.

BascoVanVeli:
Oga Icon4s why is your club like this na!! Mfon Udoh has served them well so why drag him through the mud like this? They did the same to Christian Obiozor now we don't know if the boy still plays football.

Alleged indisciplinary issues. But I must surely get to the root of the matter.

SlayerForever:
But you asked me to give you a formation having those 3 players and I obliged. Is that not what you asked for?

No....I don't have issues with that. I am just giving u kudos for stating it is what YOU want Mikel to play. That's all.

SlayerForever:
I'm not really moved by the fact Mikel has not played DM for a while in the GWG. That is where I'll play him anyday. And also considering the 3 players you mentioned,Mikel goes to DM.

For the midfielders,I'll make them CMF as opposed to the LMF and RMF I stated earlier. Box-to-Box midfielders are actually a rarity so it's not absolutely necessary to have them in a team. If we must Etebo can do that excellently.


Edi247:
Komekn has highlighted the exact reasons Etebo gets the nod ahead of Ndidi in that formation: His distribution and mobility offensively.

Well, as you said, that is where YOU will play Mikel.
Sometimes we need to clarify if it is what we are predicting Rohr will set up or what we will set up if we were in charge. Good you clarified that

komekn:
I was in Wembley that day, with a few former international and I saw one of those Afrobeat musicians Kaycee as well.

So don't know where you got that idea from.

With regards to driving to Morocco from England it's about 1500 miles can be done in 24 hrs.

See YouTube video diaries below one guy did it on one tank of petrol admittedly it was a hybrid Mercedes-Benz.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EITiqurE8dc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J4bnpMeVFs

Well, I may have been wrong about the Wembley game. But I think it was the Serbia game at Bernet you said u couldn't attend.

Well, to the Journey, I hope u understand the logistics involved in crossing the strait of Dover from England to Holland and the Strait of Gibraltar from Spain to Morocco? Driving from the Coast of Holland to the Coast of Spain may not pose any major challenge.

That man in that documentary is obviously on a sponsored mission and must have gotten all necessary documentations and permits sorted out for him to cross those straits especially the Strait of Gibraltar.

If u are ready to undergo the challenges, good Luck to you on the Road Journey. Else just book your flight jeje and come to Africa.

Ventilation likely to be an issue here. Good design though.

komekn:
I biased and selfish with regards to.my preference for Morocco. Logistically much easier for me I would actually come down for tournament, indeed would drive down its not too far from England.

You didn't drive down to watch the Super Eagles play in Wembley it is now to drive from North to South of Europe and cross the Mediterranean Sea or you intend driving through Italy, Greece and Turkey and then the Sinai peninsula in Egypt to access Morocco? Or which route do you intend taking?

Bros take am easy o.

komekn:
Youth football is only indicative more so with U17 and it's very far from conclusive a lot of development required to bring potential ability into top class talent.

True.