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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:35am On May 18, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Idowu, Obi, Simy Doubtful For DR Congo Friendly; Mikel, Ighalo Out

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Super Eagles left-back Bryan Idowu is set to miss the team’s farewell friendly game against the DR Congo on Monday May 28 at the Adokiye Amiesimaka Stadium in Port Harcourt due to FIFA’s new rule for players listed to play at the 21st World Cup starting next month in Russia.

FIFA have told all 32 partcipating teams to ensure players listed for the World Cup observe a 10-day rest after their last game of the season as a means of ensuring they stay fresh.
Idowu is likely to join 14 other Eagles stars who will miss the game due to the rule as the Russia-based defender is set to feature for his club Amkar Perm when they take a 2-0 lead to the Otkritie Arena on Sunday to play hosts FC Tambov in the second leg of the Russia Premier League qualification play-offs.

Idowu was on for all 90 minutes in the first leg played on Thursday at the Zvezda Stadium.
If he gets to play on Sunday, it means he will be ineligible for the DR Congo game.

Already out of the game is team captain Mikel Obi who will be playing on Friday in the Chinese Super League as well as striker Odion Ighalo who will be in action with his Chinese club Saturday.

Italy-based duo of Joel Obi of Torino and new invitee, Simeon Nwankwo, are also doubtful for the game if they should play for their respective Serie A clubs this weekend.

Source: https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/idowu-obi-simy-doubtful-for-dr-congo-friendly-mikel-ighalo-out/

Russia 2018 WC Countdown: 27 days 14 hours 34 mins to go

Ineligible abi unavailable? Hen,, I had to read that paragraph again to be sure they meant unavailable and not ineligible (in the context I was looking at it)

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:30am On May 18, 2018*

The French team is so strong that players like Lacazette and Martial couldn't make the list.

Hmm.. na wa o. Make we even get a player like Martial for our team sef. E for no better for us?

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:04am On May 18, 2018*

Goke7:
It's because we have refused to develop and adopt a playing culture or pattern for our national teams. If Spain at a time could adopt the tiki taka pattern which even originates from the dutch for all their teams even at club level, one wonders what is actually the job of our so called technical committee all these years. We only hear about them when a team list is to be compiled. shior

The Nigerian league IMO has majority of the blame.

To develop a playing style you have to start from the home front. But unfortunately the playing stlyes of our local clubs are nothing to right home about. Plus also majority of our national team players play abroad. Apart from major events like the WC and the AFCON the team typically spend 3,4,5 days together. That is also a challenge.

Jelisavic Tihomir aka Father Tiko, a Yugoslav, was Nigeria's first ever foreign coach from 1974 to 78. He was saddled with the responsibility of qualifying Nigeria for the 1978 WC. We were on course until Godwin Odiye's own goal in that final qualifying game. He brought the European flavor to our football. Yugoslavia (and Today Serbia) are known for producing quality coaches. Yugoslavia was a major footballing force in the 70s and 80s.

Otto Gloria, a Brazilian, took over from Father Tiko From 1978-1982. Otto Gloria to me laid the foundation of modern day Nigerian football. He brought with him the "Samba" style of football which saw Brazil dominate the world all through the 50s to the 80s. Nigeria adopted the Brazilian style of play which also to a very large extent worked for us. Growing up as a young footballer then, we were thought to play the samba style. This requires plenty of ball possession and dribbling. It saves the team plenty of energy and wears out the other team. Here the ball does the running and not the players. While your opponent will be busy chasing the balls.

In no time all Nigerian clubs adopted the Otto Gloria's Samba style. Even kids on the streets.
Stephen Keshi was a product of this style which he was able to largely infuse into his SE team.

Other Green Eagles coaches of the 80s like Festus Onigbinde and Paul Hamilton tried to maintain that style that brought us to lime light in Africa. Look at the 1980, 82, 84 and 88 AFCON teams how they played. You would see the Brazilian flavour.

However, in 1989 came Clemence Westerhorf, a Dutch. For those that saw Westerhof's 1990 AFCON team you will obviously agree that they were a lot more athletic and faster paced than the 80s team. They played plenty of counter attacking football. That was the beginning of the European style of play. Plus a good number of our players started moving to Europe: Belgium and Holland mostly.
Nigerian players of that era played with the Brazilian kind of skills and the Dutch type of athleticism. Every Nigerian footballer then was thought the trickery of dribbling your opponent one on one. If you don't know how to dribble you have not started.

Jo Bonfere, another Dutch, came in and continued from where Westerhof stopped.

All through the 90s Nigeria played with a blend of the Brazilian(innate) and Dutch style (adopted from our Dutch coaches) .

Bora Milutinovic, a Yugoslav, took over from Bonfere, and continued with the European flavour. Going into the 2000s, Nigeria began to adopt more of the European system, besides, the Samba was no longer as efficient as it used to be.

Onigbinde, Chukwu, Eguavoen and Amodu all tried to sustain our adopted Dutch system but they struggled.

Lars Lagerback did not add any value to Nigerian football. There was also a Philippe Troussier

On came Stephen Keshi who to a large extent was able to reintroduce our system of play of the 90s. May his soul rest in Peace. Ball possession and athleticism.

Samson Siasia seemed not to have raised his coaching style from the youth level. Typically known for adventurous football with not much efforts to fortify his defense. He typically comes our with high scoring and high conceding teams.

Sunday Oliseh's reign was too short to effect any meaning style of play to our football.

Gernoth Rohr has brought a different dimension to Nigerian football. German football thrives on compact midfield and efficiency in the attack. They typically choke up games creating little space for their opponents to create chances and hitting them on the counter when they have the opportunity.

It is left for us now to see how this system would work for us in the WC and in the coming years if Rohr remains.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:13am On May 18, 2018*

Mujtahida:
Athleticism - that's the word that kept playing a in my mind when I watched Amokachi slide the ball away from the defender and the quick, nimble way he sprang up again to score. The team was highly mobile

Some times it is good to go back and watch the Super Eagles of the 90s. The way they handled the ball with so much perfection, skill and confidence. That Amokachi's Chester, before he laid the ball to Finidi who crossed to Yekini for our first goal, was simply out of this world. Even the athletism you talked about. Look also at the France 98 games and Atlanta Olympics.

Our current teams don't play that way any more. Including Rohr's Eagles.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:07am On May 18, 2018

realpoacher:
Omo... Rufai was good abeg

.... Chei, see the way he just dey grab the ball like magnet... Damn!!

This our 2018 Goalkeeper department journey far

Now you understand why I have not been sold on Uzoho being our first choice.

In previous WCs our goalkeepers were our major strong saving grace. Rufai, Ike Shorumun, And Enyeama. You saw the huge roles they played in galvanizing the defense and the team at large. You saw all those point blank saves.

Does Uzoho fit into those big shoes?

Na God go save us for this WC o. As far as I am concerned we are going to this WC without a recognized goalkeeper.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:59pm On May 17, 2018

tbaba1234:
Ebere Eze should have been on that list..

Tbaba, you too like this Mbaise boy. Hahaha.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:54pm On May 17, 2018

stevemarkdangot:
Peter Rufai is a good goal keeper. I wish we have a goal keeper like this going to the world cup.

As if you knew I was thinking same.
Seeing those saves he made has made me lose confidence in our current goalies the more.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:20pm On May 17, 2018

Taliban:
Honestly I never understood the reason for cancelling that goal.

Could have been a contender for the goal of the tournament.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:10pm On May 17, 2018

safarigirl:
abeg, who be that fine boy for the second pic? I dey find foreign husband

Oya team local spouse come and see this one o.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:08pm On May 17, 2018

tbaba1234:
The ref signaled an indirect freekick or something like that. I think, that was the explanation, i heard at the time.

I heard that too but why would the ref decide that was an indirect Free-Kick considering the position?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:58pm On May 17, 2018

Throw back video: Nigeria vs Bulgaria 1994 WC.

24 years later, I still don't understand why that Stoitchkov's free-kick goal was disqualified (at 1mins 35secs). Anybody with any Ideas?
Note that deliberate attempt by Amokachi to deny Yekini Nigeria's first goal in a WC (45secs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVycJU0QG98

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Sports › Re: The Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: Poland 2019 FIFA U-20 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:11pm On May 17, 2018

enomakos:
I just hope they will not Sudan us

Hahaha, my worry is just that Calabar pitch. And this is rainy season.

Travel › Re: Truck Hits Man's Car In Benue, Drags It Along The Road As Occupant Screams by Icon4s(m): 3:43pm On May 17, 2018

ChangeIsCostant:
It would have been a different story for a man who survived a truck accident yesterday in Benue state after the vehicle hit his car and kept dragging it along the road till it hit another parked car. Berger Alfred Emberga,took to Facebook to share his horrifying experience.

Read below;

God alone deserves all the praises.

How God saved me from what would have been a deadly motor accident.

How it started. while I was driving to town from Northbank through old bridge, one guy who was in the truck, also driving to old bridge in attempt to over take me, picked my car from the driver's side and dragged me three streets away (250 meters) on the road before pushing me to the other side of the road.

It was my friend Benard Ukpe and I who were in the car. We heard a sound of a hit on our car, and the next place we saw ourselves was in the front of the truck dragging us on the road, this time my car has changed position. I tried all I could do to get my car off the front of the truck to no avail, the truck kept dragging us on the road.

How my car that was hit by the driver's side became in the front of the truck remains a mystery to me.

While the drama lasted, onlookers came out on the streets and were shouting while we were helpless in the car waiting for the truck to crush us. I managed to turn my eyes at the back the first time, second time, thinking the truck would leave us then I would manipulate and get on the right track, but when I turned at the third time and the truck was still dragging us on the road, I surrendered my life to God and asked Him to do His will since all my skills had failed me.

My friend Ukpe Bernard kept screaming; Hanhanhanhan, even as he kept asking; na so this man want take kill us? Na so this man want take kill us? Throughout the period the drama lasted I remain speechless and mute as I was waiting for God's verdict.

But thank God for his mercies, there was no vehicle coming from the opposite direction throughout this period, and the truck finally flinged us to the other side of the road where my car hit a pickup van that was parked on the opposite side of the road and that was the end of the drama.

When we came out of the car and driver too came out, he prostrated on the road, and was shivering and begging me to forgive him, that it was devil's work.

Those who witnessed the drama were full of praises and amazed that we survived the accident.

God alone deserves all the praises. While some trust in chariots, and some in horses, I will continue to trust in the name of the Lord my God.
#InGodItrust.

Source; https://www.nationalhelm.co/2018/05/truck-causes-accident-after-hitting-mans-car-in-benue.html

Why were people laughing in that first pix?

Accidents have become a normal occurrence in this country I guess undecided

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:51pm On May 17, 2018

SIGHTS AND SOUNDS OF RUSSIA

TIPS ON HOW TO IMPRESS RUSSIAN MEN ( To whom it may concern)

When looking at Russian men as potential matches, there are a few things you should know. Russian men are slightly easier to impress than Russian women, but they also make much faster judgments about whether or not a woman is right for them – and they can be very dismissive if they decide you’re not the one (and difficult to convince otherwise). Just as is the case for Russian women, there are certain things that Russian men like and even expect from Russian women and would like to see the same in a partner who is not from Russia – although they might never admit it.

If a Russian man has stolen your heart, here are some ways to impress him.

Challenge Him

Russian women can sometimes be headstrong, and while they may complain about it, Russian men like a woman with a strong opinion. So if you have one, don’t be afraid to express it. This doesn’t mean challenging him on everything he says and does of course, but if you disagree with what he’s saying, speak up! Or, if you’re sick of him sitting in front of the TV all day, poke fun at him for it – he’ll find it refreshing and motivate rather than annoying.

Make Him Breakfast

Yes, almost everything that follows from this point is very gendered, but unfortunately, stereotypical gender roles are still alive and well in Russia. Russian men typically show a slight preference for this, even in small, sometimes almost unnoticeable or unexpected ways. One of these ways is that they will really appreciate if you make them breakfast, especially without being asked.

Clean His Room

This sounds strange, and you shouldn’t do it all the time, but if you find yourself in the situation where you’re in his house without him and it’s a mess, and you want to impress him, you should do a little bit of tidying up. This doesn’t mean going through his stuff, but just doing small things like washing the dishes, putting away the video games scattered all over the floor, making the bed, folding any clothes strewn about the place, and so on.

He might not even mention it, or he might act offended, but he will actually be pleasantly surprised.

Let Him Be a Gentleman

Russian men are trained from a young age to be chivalrous, and you shouldn’t fight him too much when he tries to do the same to you. This means letting him pay the bill, letting him carry heavy items (and even ones that you could easily carry yourself), letting him give you his coat when it’s cold, pick the wine, fix stuff around the house, and so on. He’ll appreciate being able to do what he’s used to. This doesn’t mean you have to play an 18th-century damsel in distress, but just allow him to treat you like a lady when he attempts to do so.

Dress Tastefully

Russian women can be a bit over-the-top in their style, and Russian men can either love this or hate it. However you choose to dress, most Russian men will appreciate you looking put together. This could mean something as simple as clean jeans and shoes instead of tattered ones with old sneakers. As long as you try to wear high-quality, clean, neat clothes whether they’re simple or outrageous, it will be appreciated. Russian men have a bit of a distaste for messy looks, due to their upbringing, so doing that little bit to look nice will again help him to feel more at ease.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:38pm On May 17, 2018

EEGA:
In the friendlies and in the WC if Akpeyi is dropped for Ajiboye in the 23-man list.

If Uzoho fails in the WC it means we are out. That was why I asked that question.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:28am On May 17, 2018

EEGA:
Ajiboye can do the job if Uzoho fails, so no cause for alarm.

You mean if Uzoho fails in the friendlies or in the WC?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:53am On May 17, 2018

Humility017:
my question is...
has rohr picked simmy for his final 23 list?
did simmy flopped @ the world cup upon making that list....?

simmy is not in same category with ogbeche so stop trying to mess things up....

dude haven't made the 23 man list yet... you've start compare him with a player who flopped in time past comparing both scenarios....

I really suspect your paramount reason for being here is not to support the super eagles....

I don't want to believe anyone here would NOT want to support the SE.

But what I know is some are already waiting by the corner just in case the team fails to say "I said it, I said it,". So the team performing Well or flopping is a win-win for them.

I for one advocated for Aiyenugba in the team. I have never been sold on Uzoho being our 1st choice. But Aiyenugba was not invited. Why didnt I come out here and start wailing about Aiyenugba's non-inclusion? Rohr has made his final decision on that so who am I?

If Uzoho finally gets the nod as number 1 God forbid me wishing he fails just so I can come and start shouting "I said it, I said it". Who "I said it" epp? Nigeria performing well is what matters for me.

It is a big blow and regret we are going to the WC with our goal keeping department being our weakest. But what can we do?

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:35pm On May 16, 2018

MetalJigsaw:
Lokosa “Overjoyed” By Super Eagles Call-Up, In Bulgaria For ‘Medicals’
May 16, 2018 4:27 pm

Nigeria Professional Football League hotshot Junior Lokosa is overwhelmed by his invitation to the Super Eagles for the 2018 World Cup in Russia, chairman of Kani Pillars FC, Alhaji Muhammad Tukur Babangida, has revealed.

Babangida told Completesportsnigeria.com that Lokosa who arrived in Sofia, the Bulgarian capital city on Tuesday, was overjoyed when the news of his call-up to national team reached him through his agent

“Lokosa is overjoyed at his invitation and he has expressed gratitude to the coach for including him in the 30-man provisional list for the World Cup. He also promised to try his best to convince the coach that he is good for the World Cup,” Babangida stated
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The Kano Pillars boss further disclosed that Lokosa, who has scored 18 goals in the NPFL this season, will undergo medicals with his unnamed new outfit and return to the country by May 20, adding that the striker is not on trial as being reported in the media.

“He (Lokosa) is not on trial but has only gone to do his medicals and if he succeeds, the club will come down to Kano to sign the necessary papers for his transfer. We’ll miss him if he finally goes; he has been fantastic for Pillars this season,” Babangida told CSN.

On the choice of Bulgaria for Lokosa, the former Kano director of sports said: “We had several offers for him from USM Algiers, Al Hilal of Sudan, a Libyan club, a Tunisian side a team from Serbia but the Bulgarian offer was better and he chose that.”

https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/lokosa-overjoyed-by-super-eagles-call-up-in-bulgaria-for-medicals/

This one na double edged happiness.

Traveling to Bulgaria for Medicals and receiving a Super Eagles call up same week.

Just like you receiving an offer letter from Chevron or Mobil and your wife giving birth to your first child same week.

This kind happiness fit lead to madness. Hahaha.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:38pm On May 16, 2018

KevinDein:
Just being sarcastic

Yes, I suspected.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:37pm On May 16, 2018*

lexyman:
and thesame team played without Moses and won Argentina ..... i am a fan of Moses but i dont like to see him on his off day , cos the nonsense he will play will affect the good of others ... Conte brought out the best of him , he has stopped his over dribbling ... but i still stand that the team can play without Moses ... its only Mikel that we dont have a replacement for .

You don't get the point. The team can play without Moses and even Mikel.

But the Team is better offensively with Moses on the pitch. Yes Moses was not in the Argentina game but we would have been more offensive with him on the pitch.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:27pm On May 16, 2018

KevinDein:
Walcott is one for the future

Oga, I am sure this was a slip of the fingers. Think you meant to type he is one for the past.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:48am On May 16, 2018

confun:
oga icon, I hail una, following the WC countdown bumper to bumper..

Yes o. The honorable mama of the house.

Good you are following. I trust all is good with you and yours.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:44am On May 16, 2018

Bolowolowo:
I have said this in the past, and I’ll say this again, Croatia is our biggest obstacle in this group. I am honestly more worried about them than Argentina. However, the last half decade has shown that Croatia has failed to capitalize on their star studded talent. Nonetheless, they remain my primary area of concern as they are our first opponent.

Argentina never joke with WCs. Forget how they struggled during qualifiers and how they lost to us in a friendly.

Croatia is our biggest chance. If we lose that game it is good night very early.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:41am On May 16, 2018*

Bolowolowo:
Guys, here’s Croatia’s 32 man provisional squad

Honestly, going by names, this team is good enough for a semi final place. But we know these days names only don't play football.

With the kind of quality we have we really need to work very very hard to beat this team. And pray for Luck too.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:32am On May 16, 2018

lexyman:
that team can play without Moses , i know Icon4s will not like this .

Just like Argentina and Portugal can play without Messi and Ronaldo respectively.

If Moses is unavailable it is a different thing. You have him fit and available and you put him on the bench?

The only chance we created against Poland all 90mins was created and the penalty converted by Moses. That is a kind of player that can single handedly convert a draw to a win or a lose to a draw.

He remains our most dangerous forward.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:15pm On May 15, 2018

Guess who is viewing today...
Madam confun .............

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:40pm On May 15, 2018

Petrobros:
O pari master, na una get time.

Me wey never read better posts finish e come be....

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:59pm On May 15, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Ahaa!!!! Dad Icon4s... I have found one ooooo.... Finally!!! People I can form "Big Brother" for... .

Welcome little brother... Don't worry, I will be a "good" big brother...

Abeg no let me pee here. grin

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:23am On May 15, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Really? But my brother... That was also my first full WC naa... I saw little of France 98 because I was 6. But na from Nigeria 99, Afcon 2000, Euro 2000 and UCL 1999/2000 I start my football Journey. .

But I dey find that Germany 2006 person.... I need to find am. Dad Icon4s don sabi why...

Continue searching son. You are getting close.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:34am On May 15, 2018

asha80:
nigerian defender dies in traffic accident

http://kwese.espn.com/football/nigeria-professional-league/story/3498816/niger-tornadoes-defender-dies-in-traffic-accident

So sad.

May his soul rest in Peace

And may God grant the family the fortitude to bear the loss.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:31am On May 15, 2018

Martz101:
is Ambrose better than Omeruo?

They will be proposing a player without considering who the player will displace.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:07am On May 15, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Those who saw 1978 WC qualifiers, and maybe even 1976 Afcon sef... I don't doubt their presence here at all... In fact, I have seen most of you all....

Buuttttttt... I wanna see that person wey start to dey follow football since Germany 2006 .... Who is this mystery person?

you dey find person wey you wan form Elder over abi?

I know someone mentioned it some time past but I cant remember who exactly.

You know a lot of peeps have updated themselves and also have been updated by elders here about what happened in the 80s and 90s so you don't know who be indomie generation again cos almost everyone is up to date now grin

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