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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:50pm On May 13, 2018

Farzat:
And Simy scores again. This guy should not confuse Rhor, Kayode has been selected

You say?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:48pm On May 13, 2018

tbaba1234:
I mentioned 3 guys
Wasiu Alalade graduated Kwara Poly in 2013. Adeshina Gata graduated Kwara Poly in 2014 oliseme Ekene graduated Delsu in 2014
They are all part of the under 20 squad.

OK.
Trust there will be investigations.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:46pm On May 13, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
You are miscalculating. Two weeks have passed already.... Hope you recall he got this injury on April 28. And news was out by April 29.

Ndidi will be ready before June 16. Make una relax biko.

You just cleared the air in an earlier post of when the 4weeks was reported. Thanks I get it now.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:44pm On May 13, 2018

tbaba1234:
Ifeanyi Mathew played the CAF U17 tournament.. Meaning he passed the MRI before the CAF tournament but failed before the WC.

Yes I know.

And he and Benerd Bulbwa were first team players. I heanacho was not.

Manu brought them back to the U20 team and based on the knowledge he has about their abilities he started them ahead of Iheanacho and Yahaya. Manu knows his boys better than we do. And he selected based on the tactics he adopted. That is my point.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:44pm On May 13, 2018

tbaba1234:
Ifeanyi Mathew played the CAF U17 tournament.. Meaning he passed the MRI before the CAF tournament but failed before the WC.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:35pm On May 13, 2018

tbaba1234:
Toyin Ibitoye said that he is expected to be ready for the June 6 friendly.. That is 10 games before the first match.

Ow, so where is the 4weeks thing coming from?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:30pm On May 13, 2018

Kog45:
Yes four weeks he will be ready but six weeks i don't think so cos it was stated four weeks to heal and two weeks rehabilitating.

This is your field which is medical,pls enlighten me cos Ndidi not making it would be a massive blow.

4 weeks. it means he will not be part of the WC preparations.

And even if he is back in training in 4weeks time. it will take another 2-3 weeks to gain full fitness.

Let me be sincere here. In my head I have taken off Ndidi on starting list I only keep him there in my heart hoping for a miracle to come.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:25pm On May 13, 2018

Humility017:
so the npfl look like a league where you can find 15/16 years play?
oga icon4....how about tlaba revelations that some of these guys graduate 2014 from polytechnics/universities...
probably they're genius then...to have graduated at 14- 16 years and still playin football....as well progressing well... enter the npfl at 15/16...

oga this lies is too big to swallow abeg.... spare us this defense...
so you believe this lads fabricated ages...?
I never expect this kind of defense...

As far as I can recall Tbaba only made mention of one guy. And you are saying "some guys".

There are issues of age cheating but we often exaggerate things in this country.

Just like Ibe Kachukwu spoke after spending 6months as the GMD of NNPC. He said "Corruption in NNPC is over exaggerated"!

Now back to football, as I said, those clubs use those very young players to fill up their squad list for the season. But they also take part in training sessions. Most of them do not get to play on match days but there are a few of them with exceptional abilities to match the senior players and you see them getting 10-15 of playing time.

Now, professionally those boys have been in those NPFL teams, registered, and used to fill up the squad but only used for training. One journalist will just go dig up one document or publication and find the name of one Alhassan Ibrahim on the Kano Pillars squad list for 2014/2015 season and say cannot be an U20 player?

Paul Aigbogu is an NPFL coach he knows how these things play out.

I am against age cheating and any player found guilty should be harmmered straight for the good of Nigerian football. And not to condemn them and deprive them of a life time opportunity.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:09pm On May 13, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Sir Tbaba1234 shared a photo from Ndidi's twitter handle sometime ago showing him doing just light workouts. He is still recuperating. Injury will take four weeks to heal but another two weeks for final rehab checks and more. Ndidi will be fine.... Noe can we have some SIMY in here?

2+2=4.

Today is May13 . WC starts June 14. I fear he may not be ready enough for the WC.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:02pm On May 13, 2018

Humility017:
these players you mentioned I think they all were picked academics.... so you can say they fall within that age bracket....
but not a player who already graduated from this academics...into an npfl club side and have had up to 3 seasons in the npfl and still claim 18 years....old.

Now, let me give you this picture. We have numerous academies scattered all over the country.
But only some very few boys are selected to play in the U17 national team. So what happens to the other academy players? Where do they graduate to? Have you ever thought in that line?

Some with good agents and or rich parents will travel out to continue their development in Europe. What about the others that are not that privileged? Has it ever occurred to you that they graduate to play in the NNL and NPFL? You don't know a very large number of these NPFL players were picked from the academies?

You think the NPFL players are just picked from the streets to sign professional contract? Some clubs have feeder teams from also they pick players.

Talking about 18 years olds playing 3 seasons in the NPFL have you not seen a couple of 15-16 years olds especially in Kano Pillars and MFM playing weekly in the NPFL. By the time they are 18/19 instead of tapping from that wealth experience they have gathered you now tag them as old men and deprive them the chance of representing their country. If you don't want to see 18 years old with 3 years professional experience the NPFL has to make it compulsory for players to wait till they are 18 before signing any profional contracts. Just like how it is done in Europe.

Do you know these clubs recruit these young players because they don't have money to pay salaries of the older established players? Yes, the NFF has a minimum number of players to be registered per season. These clubs get a particular number of experienced players they fill they can manage and the remaining sports they scout around academies and the ones that have feeder teams promote some of their players just to add to the list. Some of these boys start training with the senior players early and that helps them mature faster. And you chose to deprive them because they went through this process?

Also there are so many players in the Super Eagles today that were picked from academies yet people are still pointing age cheating fingers at them.

Age cheating is every where and I frown at it. But you cannot deprive these players the chance to play because you think they over aged. I have seen people who look older than their ages. And some of these boys started playing professional football early. I have seen a good number of them.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:54am On May 13, 2018

ChrisKels:
Here is Ghana U20 list. Most of the players come from the academies, but here, Aigbogun is giving us the Alalade, eneji and Ekenes of this world ;

HAMIDU ABDUL FATAWU - Vision FC
UMAR BASIT ABDUL RAMAN - New Edubiase United
MOHAMMED KUDUS - Right To Dream Academy
MENSAH GIDEON - Right To Dream Academy
SADIQ IBRAHAM - Right To Dream Academy
MAXWELL ARTHUR - Dreams FC
ADJETEY DANIEL ADRIAN - Amidaus Professionals
BABAWO SALIW - Dynamo Brest
NURUDEEN ABDUL MANAF - KAS Eupen
ARTHUR JUDE EKOW - Liberty Professionals
IBRAHIM DANLAD - Asante Kotoko SC
KUMAH EMMANUEL - Tudu Mighty Jets
RICHARD DANSO - WAFA SC
KONDA ISSAHAKU - Wa All Stars
SULLEY IBRAHIM - Rising Stars
DAYEGBE PROSPER AHIABU - WAFA SC
HUDU ABDUL HALIK - Hammarby IF
TANKO IBRAHIM - Red Star Belgrade

I trust our Academy and NNL players more than those NPFL players.

When has Ghana become a yardstick for our own players selection?
The last U20 that we used entirely academy players what came out of it? Ghana is trying to follow our footsteps in that regards. Just to make you realize. Besides I can only see 3 or 4 academy clubs there. The rest are Ghana premier league clubs and I have even seen two foreign Clubs on that list.

Please roll out the clubs of the players that featured for England in the last U20. That should be our model.

If Ghana has selected a large pool from their players that featured in the last U17 WC, this, from my experience has not really worked.

I have said it severally in the past that no team has won the U17 and 2 years later won the U20. This is because after every successful or relatively successesful U17 outing bulk of the U17 players get promoted not giving enough room for new entrants who were not part of the previous U17.This usually create gaps in the team. Especially experience wise.

Look at Nigeria, after each U17 WC win , the best we have ever achieved in the Subsequent U20 is a 2nd round exit.

I believe in selecting the best crop available for the U20 and not giving special preferences for a previous U17 team.

Be mindful again that I am against age cheating but also no player should be deprived of our national colours because of one unproven age cheating allegation or the other. And if a player is found guilty he should be dropped.

I know the general thinking is that all NPFL players are age cheats. But that is not true. Obviously there are several cases of age cheating but you cannot because of that ignore the NPFL U20 players and go for the academy Or NNL players. Who told you there are also no age cheats in the academies and NNL? Have academy players not failed the MRI repeatedly?

We need the best for this crop. Be it NPFL, NNL or academy. Let everyone be given a fair chance.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:52am On May 13, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Nope... Ndidi passed the MRI tests also when it was also conducted from the very beginning of the assembling of that 2013 team. The tests was conducted at various months intervals and had to be done one final time before the CAF championships to really be certain that none of them fall outside the FIFA specifications and Ndidi fell short unfortunately. But he had been passing the tests. These MRI testings have grades of checks and it is possible that a kid who passed over a year ago may fail it just a month to even the World championships. It happens.

Wilfred Ndidi, Ifeanyi Mathew, Alhassan Ibrahim( Musuam) and 2 other players all failed the MRI on the eve on the CAF U17. Fact remains they failed the MRI.

We have all come to accept the fact that so many products of the U17 fail to progress in their careers and this failure starts right from the transnsition From U17 to U20.

Not all U17 graduates are good enough for the U20!

That is why I still give kudos to Manu's selection and criticize Amuneke's. Manu understands this fact and introduced some new blood into his team while still keeping some of his U17 boys who were really exceptional at The U17. But Amuneke kept almost his entire U17 team. Only 1 new player was added. And don't tell me there were no players outside that U17 crop that were good enough to Break into the team.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:34am On May 13, 2018

tbaba1234:
The team is still loaded with old men... We have already identified a few. At the end of the day, unless a conscious effort is made to clean up the side, we will just be hurting ourselves. A 30 year old playing under 20 will be set for retirement when he is supposed to be hitting his peak.

Many people in our football leadership already know that this side is full of old men, very few care. Like someone said, the Nigerian followership is as corrupt as our political leaders.

Any player who falsified his age should be dropped.
Simple and short. And not to condemn and disown the entire team.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:27am On May 13, 2018

TheSuperNerd:
Even look at the 2015 U-20 team....

Manu Garba benched our finest in Iheanacho, Yahaya, Success (only brought him in as a sub after the first game), Simon Moses, Alampasu, and even Chidera Ezeh. (Most of whom were tested and confirmed via MRI back in the U-17s).

Those players benched are having it better in terms of progression than the the likes of Sokari, Ifeanyi Ifeanyi, Joshua Enaholo who started @NewZealand ....All from the NPFL (no MRI test records involved for them before the U-20s level).

I insists that had Manu played our best (who were also among our most genuine U-20s) that day against Germany, we would not have lost out. He just killed that team's potentials with his nonsensical egoistical decisions.

It is sad. Even from the current U-20 team, it is clear that our best U-20 talents are actually from the genuine ones who passed the MRI at U-17 level that are now based abroad...the likes of Samuel Chukwueze, Kingsley Michael, etc....

Ndidi failed The MRI test but where is he today compared to those that passed the MRI?
Simon never went through the MRI cos he wasn't part of any U17 team. Both players have come out good for the Super Eagles. And I told you Etebo and Ajayi were available for selection but Manu for whatever reasons dropped them. They never went through the MRI but see where they are today. Sokari and Ifeanyi Mathew are not doing badly in their respective clubs.

Success Isaac went through The MRI likewise Musa Mohammed. How are they progressing? Where is Chiderah Ezeh, Akinjide Idowu, Zaharadeen Bello and co? Those players passed the MRI right? Iheanacho is the only player that passed The MRI currently in the Super Eagles.

Now, I am against age cheating. I am not against MRI. But what I am against is depriving other players who were not part of a previous U17 set from representing their fatherland at the U20. The NFF should just fashion put a mean of screening out those perceived to be age cheats.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:31am On May 13, 2018

ChrisKels:
I always laugh whenever Icon4s makes those clumsy statements "Amunike shouldnt have graduated those U17 players directly to U20 ", " the U20 tourney is made for the professional players"

Now look at the professional players.

Youth football shouldn't be result oriented rather we should focus on using it to unearth gems that will in time take over from the already super Eagles.

Amongst the Amunike guys, we know how many of them that have signed for European teams and making positive progression.

Let see if any of these grandfathers in the name of professional players can leave the shores of Nigerian, let alone Africa, to sign for any team.

Bring players with the right ages, professional or not, as long as he has the talent, augment it with few professionals who also are of the right age, then, we are good to go. They must not all be professionals else u fill the team with useless over aged stars.

I wish the young lads( nazifi and co) amongst them the best anyways.

Na...that Amuneke's U20 were not gonna go any where. It is now some of those his boys are ready for U20 and not back then.

What I was against was the shutting out of other players and relying almost solely on his U17 winning side who were even the youngest team at the U17 tourney. Most of them were 16-17 years olds during the U20 qualifiers. Some of you will say age doesn't count but it does. I still reiterate that U20 is not for academy players but for young professionals. For example , Players like Orji Okonkwo, Samuel Chukwueze, Kingsley Michael are no more academy players like back then. They have signed professional contract and Michael and Okonkwo played like 2 seasons. Now they are ready for the U20 challenge . Look at the England U20 winning squad you will understand what I am talking about.

That said, a 2-2 draw away to a fellow West African side is not that bad a result. West African sides are always know to pose a strong opposition at this age grade level.

We expect the boys to finish the job here.

With the inclusion of the foreign based players the team can only get better.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:31pm On May 12, 2018

DrLikita12:
Not trying to support age fraud but if he entered at ~16 (which is not unusual) he could be done by 19. HND programs typically last for 3 years. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Do you know when he graduated and what age he entered?

People enter school these days at even 14/15.

Imagine when Taiwo Awoniyi wrote WAEC. 2013. Assuming he gained admission that same year wouldnt he have graduated by now? Meanwhile he is 20years old now.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:29pm On May 12, 2018

tbaba1234:
Our goalscorer...

Let us not start opening can of worms...

See, I am also against age cheating. But one thing I do is not to jump so quickly to condemn the age of a player when I don't have solid evidence.

Seems a lot of us have refused to embrace this team because of perceived age cheating. Because of 1 or 2 insinuations you condemn a whole team.

Me I can only wish them well because the future of Nigerian football lies with this crop.

We missed out in the last U17 and U20 WC of which we are already seeing the negative effects in the lack of quality players behind Iheanacho and Osimhen's groups. We need to bridge that gap now else we fall back to the mess we found ourselves 5-10 years ago.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:16pm On May 12, 2018

tbaba1234:
Your goalscorer has an HND from Kwara Poly (Accounting).

He is "OUR" goal scorer not "your".

U know the age he entered Poly?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:13pm On May 12, 2018

DrLikita12:
2-2 FT

OK. Thanks.

The team can only get better. Lot of work to be done by Paul and his crew. We hope the inclusion of both the foreign based/born will add bite to the team.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:06pm On May 12, 2018

Anyways, The Flying Eagles game would have ended over 10mins ago. I lost communication with my source. We hope to get the FT scores later.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:04pm On May 12, 2018

tbaba1234:
Does tertiary education degrees count as evidence? How many 18/19 year old do you know as graduates?

Who is/are the graduates among them?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:53pm On May 12, 2018

tbaba1234:
No, because i know a few that are overaged...

Then Come forward and do us the favor.
We stand against age cheating in our age grade teams.
And not to just condemn the entire team.

Sports › Re: The Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: Poland 2019 FIFA U-20 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:30pm On May 12, 2018

DrLikita12:
I am aware but I can't be bothered to type 2-2 now

Yeah

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:29pm On May 12, 2018

asha80:
seems ebuehi injury is really serious this one he is not even on the bench for his team

Better they keep him out for him to recover fully before the WC.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:28pm On May 12, 2018

Icon4s:
HT in Bissau.
G.Bs 0: 2 Ngr
Wasiu Alalade of Enyimba FC with a brace.

2:2 Now!

Sports › Re: The Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: Poland 2019 FIFA U-20 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:23pm On May 12, 2018

DrLikita12:
Guinea has pulled one back

This is not actually Guinea. They are Guinea-Bissau.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:18pm On May 12, 2018

tbaba1234:
I do not know whether to be happy or sad... Still some overaged in that team.

Because they play in the NPFL?

The U20 is not for academy players.

If you have any proofs of any over age please do us a favor by bringing it up.

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Sports › Re: The Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: Poland 2019 FIFA U-20 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:55pm On May 12, 2018

DrLikita12:
Looks like Nigeria has taken the lead

2:0 for Nigeria. HT

Wasiu Alalade with a brace.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:54pm On May 12, 2018

HT in Bissau.

G.Bs 0: 2 Ngr

Wasiu Alalade of Enyimba FC with a brace.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:04pm On May 12, 2018

edi287:
Who is Southgate biko?

You mean you don't know?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 6:38am On May 12, 2018

daveP:
That Iceland final 23 will give Argentina tough time. I expect shockers in that match. Hmm.

I don't want shockers anything. Let Argentina just beat them jeje to deflate their ego.

If Iceland should beat Argentina don't you think we are in more trouble?

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Sports › Re: An Open Letter To The Nff And The Super Eagles Coaching Crew by Icon4s(op): 8:57am On May 11, 2018

Still on the matter

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