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jayriginal:
Leave South Park alone oh, they are brutal. They ridicule all religions. Ask Isaac Hayes!

Except islam... once depicted mohammed tho... the death threats ensured that they didnt try it again.

Papist:
I invite you to read Dominum et Vivificantem by Pope John Paul II. I'm sure it answers your question. Blessings.

He wont read it.. find his imam and let his imam spoon feed him with it..this one only obeys his imam

Empiree:
Who Are Quranites/Quranists?

Quranism (Arabic: قرآنيون‎ Qurʾāniyūn) is an Islamic movement that holds the Qur'an to be the only authentic source of Islamic faith. Quranists generally reject, therefore, the religious authority of hadith, Sunnah, and reject traditional Sharia Law. This is in contrast to the Sunni, Shia and Ibadi doctrines, which consider hadith essential for Islamic faith.

Bassam Zawadi says:

"Why don't we have any record of early Muslims completely rejecting hadith?
The hadith rejecter might argue back by saying "we don't blindly follow people; you are committing the appeal to tradition fallacy".

However, you answer back that Allah says in the Quran...

Surah 9:100

The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well- pleased is God with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.

Mohsin Khan Translation
And the foremost to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun ) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.
In this verse, Allah is saying that the Muhajirin (those who migrated from Mecca to Medina) and the Ansar (the people of Medina) and those righteous people that came after them have been promised heaven.

Now, how can Allah promise heaven to these people when they are the very same ones who transmitted the hadith to us? As a matter of fact they are the same people that passed the Qur'an down to us. The Quran is passed on to us by "Mutawattir" narrations. Mutawattir narrations are narrations that have been transmitted by so many people that it would be impossible for all of the transmitters to fabricate such a narration. However, we have an enormous amount of Mutawattir hadith. There is a list of Mutawatir hadith http://hadith.al-islam.com/bayan/Index.asp?Lang=ENG&Type=3 that teach things that are not taught in the Quran. How can you reject their authenticity with no objective evidence?

Please mods seun whoever... move this nonsense to the islamic jihadist section

starlingleanets:
Not suprised; since the Pope is the prophesied beast the people of the world will worship as their God before Christ come.

Just watching the drama unfold

Please who made this prophesy, where is it written. I am very interested to know..

An2elect2:
it is rather the opposite miss.

The dates for easter
Christmas
The Bible books
The battle agaisnt ancient christian heresies
Several christian theological issues was brought to consensus agreement because of the works of catholics like st thomas aquinas, st augustine..etc

before u criticize be very certain of ur accusations. .

An2elect2:
The bible is not a product of falsehood. You have been deceived.

If u discredit Catholism then u show u know little about Christianity.

moderatorr1:
It has always been
"Thou shall not kill"
its the Lutheran church that translated it to "thou shall not murder"

If someone comes against you with a knife and you fight back, you are not following in the footsteps of Christ. He never fought back or even resisted.
Even when peter tried to fight for him, he cautioned peter sternly.

Lol.. u knw quite little... i am not talking about english .. i am talking about the hebrew word. .

"You shall not murder" (Hebrew לֹא תִּרְצָח lo tirṣaḥ) (sometimes translated as You shall not kill (KJV) or Thou shalt not kill (LXX; οὐ φονεύσεις), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah, specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy
5:17. Are u getting the picture.

The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

This brings us to the wword Retzach

The Hebrew verb רצח (r-ṣ-ḥ, also transliterated retzach, ratzákh, ratsakh etc.) is the word in the original text that is translated as "murder" or "kill", but it has a wider range of meanings, generally describing destructive activity, including meanings "to break, to dash to pieces" as well as "to slay, kill, murder". Are u getting the idea..

According to the Book of Numbers, killing anyone outside the context of war with a weapon, or in unarmed combat, is considered retzach, but if the killing is accidental, the accused must not leave the city, or he will be considered guilty of intentional murder.
The Bible never uses the word retzach in conjunction with war. Killing in war is it homicide..??

The act of slaying itself, regardless of questions of bloodguilt, is expressed with the verb n-k-h "to strike, smite, hit, beat, slay, kill".

This verb is used of both an Egyptian slaying an Israelite slave and of Moses slaying the Egyptian in retaliation in
Exodus 2:11-12. The Covenant Code and Holiness Code both prescribe the death penalty for people that commit n-k-h.

Another verb meaning "to kill, slay, murder, destroy, ruin" is h-r-g, used of Cain slaying Abel in Genesis 4:8. When Cain is driven into exile, complaining that "every one that findeth me shall slay me" in Genesis 4:14 , he again uses this verb (h-r-g).

The distinction becomes apparent... and has nothing to do with the "novelty" of the Lutheran interpretation as u posit.

Empiree:
My simple question to you is do you believe Quran to be word of God or not. Simple answer; YES OR NO?. Let's take it from there.

This is simple.. i have answered it several times...

All of it is by mohammeds lieing lips...of course he got some ideas from the Torah, gnostic christians and arab pagans.. all the evidence is there and we have discussed previously.

Mohammed made up the vile quran.. shikena ab.oki.

Rilwayne001:
This is a foolish question...address the OP, if you can't, then walk away, it is as simple as that.

Will u be open minded and make an effort to be objective when i explaiñ or will u attack as u have done several times..

Will u renounce islam?? If i prove to u it is a load of garbage. .

Mohammed lied to u, jesus died for you...

Let me start softly...from your own quran..

Do u know why humans are not in paradise according to your koran...?? Since it claims adam and eve where in paradise and got kicked out to earth because they sinned..

... if we the decendants are born without sin, original sin, then why are we still locked out of paradise according to your quran. Can u answer this objectively. No insults .. behave..

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Rilwayne001 will u renounce islam when i explain it to you. ..

usermane:
PS: Ifeann, don't be fooled by those hidding behind Qur'an now that some fallacies of their traditions have been exposed. There are several hadith contradicting Qur'an or unconfirmed by the Qur'an that these traditionalists keep.

Here are few examples; The Mahdi, the punishment of the grave, Muhammad interceeding for believers, Muhammad performing miracles and several other doctrines and statutes. Given that, isn't it dishonest for these same people to come deny a certain hadith on ground that the hadith contradict Qur'an?

I understand what u mean...

Its a paradox when muslims like empiree claim the quran is clear and "perfect" but still needs the contradiction and error riddled hadiths in order to interprete and understand the same quran.

I have come to realise that u are the only muslim that makes sense on nairaland because u stay consistent. While the others keep drifting left and right in the quagmire of islamic orthodox nonsense.. while using al taqiyyah and deciet. Today they claim the hadith is great , tomorrow they claim it is unreliable and contains contradictions.

Have a nice easter weekend.

moderatorr1:
[Before you start reading, please note that I am a christian...who is boundless]

God reportedly gave moses the 10 commandments among which was the 5th "Thou shalt not kill"
Without any extra conditions attached to it. It simply means, thou shall not kill anything under any conditions whatsoever.
Unfortunately this is not possible. Its irrational, considering the fact that you have to kill animals to eat meat, kill plants to make food and kill ideas to birth superior ones.
But we could be all good if we attempt to adjust that commandment a little bit. So lets get it to now read "Thou shall not kill fellow humans".
Good, right? No.
God reportedly ordered Saul to go kill all the Amalekites - men, women, children, everything. Even Saul, a fearsome warrior was restrained after seeing so much blood in the battle. He spared the king, fat cows, women and stuff.
But God reportedly punished him. Over and over again in the bible, God ordered people to kill people.
Secondly, if someone was coming against you with a knife, and you had a gun, will you shoot or will you surrender unto death?
Moses instructed that you should not even forgive after the person has hurt you with their knife in his "an eye for an eye" commandment.
But Jesus gave an answer to this after observing the fault i am pointing out now in that commandment.
Jesus modified it by saying "If someone slaps you, turn the other cheek. If you are compelled to go one mile, go two". Which simply means, surrender unto death, even if you can fight back. Another way to interpret it is that a nation does not need an army, even if it has one, the army should not kill by any means necessary, and should surrender on the first attack for peace to reign. And no need to go drag out cases in the court - just turn the other cheek.
But hey, not to counter Jesus, but there is a problem with this, if neighbors or neighboring countries know you will not fight back, or that you have no capacity to fight back sufficiently, they will simply come take over your lands and resources then enslave you and compel you to go 2,000,00,000,000 miles smile emoticon

So the modifications to that commandment does not still make sense. But we can still try to put it into better context "thou shalt not kill a fellow human who serves the same God with you". Wrong, we will still run into the same problem as above.
"thou shalt not kill a fellow human being who is innocent" ?
Seems we have finally got it. Thanks a whole lot. See you...

But wait.. What if a wounded soldier in the middle of a battle begs you to kill him because he can no longer bear the pain? Our modification does not cover that.
A similar situation is,
What if the life of a fetus threatens the life of the mother?
The birth of the child will put the mother out of work and unto the streets begging since she is still a small orphan who has no means of taking care of the child, will you support the abortion (killing) of the baby?

So all our modifications didn't work at all. We have to try one more time, and i will leave you to judge.
"Thou shall not kill {i don't know how else to modify it}"

I'll just end by giving you my one personal 6th commandment, "Protect yourself and interests at all times. You have one life only."

There is something we didn't observe all the while, 2 times 'God' gave Moses the 10 commandments, 2 times Moses was the only one there and there where no witnesses.

Thank you
Master Dave Ozoalor - www.facebook.com/daveozoalor

U are a a bit confused. .. its thou shall not murder..aka commit homicide. . I am a Christian and if u slap me i wont revenge, i will even turn the other cheek but if u come at me with a weapon i will not hesitate to end u were u stand..

Are u clear on the issue now..

Empiree:
You sound like a child now. You keep repeating this despite clarification from albaqir.

It's same position I abide all the time. There are hundreds if not thousands of ahadith that are in harmony with the BEST BOOK ON PLANET EARTH, AL-QURAN. Quran itself explains itself within itself a lot without secondary source as well.

When you asked if sahih ahadith are nonsense, I don't think you realized you made blanket statement by that.

Sahih ahadith are not nonsense. They are graded and we freaking know much about them. Even weakest ahadith are better than Bible. Yauk

ifeann, you no go kill pazon

So sahih muslim and sahih bakhari contains nonsense even tho that sahih hadiths are used to understand ur "perfect" quran better. .



Wow.. empiree u are delu.ded

By the way.. i know about ur hadith grading system in islam.. this is why i focus on exposing islam using the quran and sahih hadiths..

I dont acknowledge all hadiths, this is why u havent seen me post hadiths which say ur mohammed slept with the dead body of his aunt so she can have a prophet's wifes privilege in paradise, or the hadiths about sleeping with camels, or rubbing ur priv.ates on infant chilren muslims take as wives....etc
Some things i have read from islamic texts are disgusting. .

Rilwayne001:
Lemme summon those that are following you to come and see how low your IQ is.

Dont forget to summon ur nairaland mohammed defenders..

Once again i ask u

Ifeann:
So sahih muslim is a load of fabricatd nonsense. .yes or no
There are many more nonsense in sahih muslim and bakhari which contradicts the quran..
So are the sahih hadiths nonsense. . Was usermane correct..yes or no. ..

Justfollowit:
Missy, what's up na?

Have you finally gotten a life? If no, holla when you finally do

U funny...
Have u found someone to marry u on the romance section of nairaland. . U need some home training and deliverance from that jihadist spirit of mohammed possessing you..

Have a nice evening.

Rilwayne001:
Attempt the OP instead of derailing, if can't, simply walk away.
Wats wrong with you sef?

Your supporters will be highly disasppointed in you.

In due time..all in due time..frist agree on this question i asked

Ifeann:
So sahih muslim is a load of fabricatd nonsense. .yes or no
There are many more nonsense in sahih muslim and bakhari which contradicts the quran..
So are the sahih hadiths nonsense. . Was usermane correct..yes or no. ..

duni04:
See this clueless ahole!
You've picked the wrong person to mess with

Justfollowit is a st.upid girl who makes a hobby of being rude on nairaland. . Forget her

klark3:
I was employed as an architect in a medium size architectural firm, my boss happens to be a lady.

I hitched a ride in her car after a meeting with a client on site, It's was even my first time of hitching a ride in her car, as I have always eschewed it, on getting to the office she asked me to carry her hand bag along, but I turned deaf ear to her request and swiftly went straight to the office, but she came to my office and gave me a sullen glare.

I thought the malice won't last long, but unfortunately for me, she fired me this morning for a no cogent reason.

I'm downcast and bewildered, she's just privilege to be the manager because it's her dad firm, she's my contemporary, and I was on the verge of supervising a gigantic project.

Was I wrong?

U are not wrong.. u had every right to ignore her... frist she says carry her bag, next she will ask u to go buy her food or other petty errands...

She has an inferiority complex and could not handle the disregard u showed her for her stupi.dity..

Be bold, pray and get another job..

AlBaqir:
No, it is not. Muslim's claim has always been "no book of collection of hadith is free from error". Only the Qur'an we boast passionately to be free from error. Therefore, we use the Qur'an to verify the authenticity of the "books of hadith". This makes a lot of sense in the fact that "books of hadith" were written centuries after the demise of the Prophet of Islam; he or his companions never certify it.

Whatever in the "books of hadith" that is in harmony with the Qur'an is accepted. Whatever deviate from the theme of the Qur'an is rejected.
Muhammad will never contradict his Lord. Qur'an chap. 53 says: |1|By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).

|2|Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

|3|Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

|4|It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

|5|He has been taught by one mighty in power.

Interesting!

So sahih muslim is a load of fabricatd nonsense. .yes or no
There are many more nonsense in sahih muslim and bakhari which contradicts the quran..

So are the sahih hadiths nonsense. . Was usermane correct..yes or no. ..

WilyWily:
I like how Dimka finished him

He was a zealot "born to rule" northerner who overthrew a government and dimka ended him ruthlessly. ..

All crazy people

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