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An2elect2:
My dear if you understand what we are saved from and saved to you wont be saying this. Am busy right now, will get back.

I am very very interested in seeing you try to defend ur stance on this issue with scripture.. I hope u do come back and do that...

Take a look at urself and ur foul language

Cc Oremussanctus

Tartar9 treat ur mental issues before insulting others.

jomoh:
I don't need the second hand online history that has being compromised over the years by various hatred motivated individuals.

@bolded exactly my point this people don't just go to another man's land looking for trouble if you don't go to them. They don't go out if you don't invite them. Why don't you leave them alone with their way of life.

Tell the west to leave them alone. When christians were being jailed in china for practising their religion where were you.



After the insult, then no offence intended? You go back and read your comment again then read mine, maybe you'll get it.

Still I will go back to my initial stance. Islam is the greatest threat to the Illuminati/western agenda of a New World Order.

Maybe if you channel your research energy to the study of New World Order as it relates to antichrist, you will come to understand Islam better. But then again you hate Islam already. Lack of information is bad in this age and time but incomplete information is very dangerous. I see you're not lacking information neither are you entirely ignorant but the problem is that either you have been misinformed or have an incomplete information.

Lol..

We have a conspiracy theorist here...

On a serious note, u may be right about a western agenda, I hope u know there is also the Saudi wahabbism Islamic agenda and the Iran shia agenda as well as the Jewish agenda, don't forget the EU agenda or the Russian agenda.

Everyone has an agenda. I don't buy this nonsense blame the NWO illuminati agenda.

Yes there are occult influences in American, I have read on it.. it is even littered in their music culture, there are possible plans to reduce the worlds population, and even capitalist agenda to own every earth's resources including the human genome etc but there is nothing like illuminati vs Islam or the west vs Islam.

Do u know why, the west is kicking devout jihadists Islamic a.sses at the moment and for a long time, Saudi Arabia, the birth place of Islam, stays loyal to America like an old servant and adopting many western values albeit slowly. It won't be long before they permit women to drive in that country. With the exception of Iraq, Islamic countries like Syria, Pakistan, afgan,Somalia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and several Islamic strong holds have collapsed all by their own effort and stupidity...

Apparently the Islamic god does NOT care much about guiding these Muslim nations even though the quran claims "Muslims are the best of people" and calls the Jews pigs, and Christians cattle.

Islam is as evil as any other cult group. They are all spurned from the same pit.

An2elect2:
are you saved by grace or law? are you saying our sins cancel our salvation?

Of course it can, accepting Christ is not a free pass to sin.

I see where u are going with this. But let me ask u this before I give u verses defending my answer;
Please answer this,

'Do u think that a human who accepts Christ and goes on committing sins contravening the teaching of Christ will be saved ?? Yes or no, explain with verses if u can.

yazach:
Chai!! Ifeann here you are, committing your blunders again. you can't even spell your religion and you want to teach English Language to preparatory class students. Men you are dullard
Ok I remember it is your auto-correct

U forgot to put an "a" before dullard in ur insult above.

Once again, its auto correct like u already know, I once misspelt it and my auto correct recorded as a new word. that's why it happened twice... Infact this proves to u that it is auto correct because I obviously know how to spell christian, like u said, its my religion.

Now run along, their arE more important issues to discuss on nairaland.

johnydon22:
Nope this is just another normal worldly crime, the man didnt claim he was doing it because people dont believe in his own god or religion.. Crimes are being committed in millions all over the world by christians, muslims, hindhus, other theists even atheists and co but this is just individual crimes and has nothing to do with the religions of the crime perpetrator.

The difference is that Isis, boko haram claim their work is for allah, therefore it is religiously inspired.. So know the difference between a religious inspired crime and a normal day to day crime...

Very very smart comment. But know that once u as a "christain" commits a crime or murder someone etc then u have gone against Christ's teachings and hence should not call yourself a christain. Crime committing "christains" and atheists have one thing in common, their is no command, doctrine, etc that calls for or justifies such wickedness.

ollah1:
Yes, they have been condemned, have they been labelled terrorist nations? NO. What about their presidents? NO

How many islamic countries are labelled terrorist nations. Even when we all know that a lot of terrorist funds come from Islamic nations.

We all know that iran is a terrorist nation because they sponsor hezbolla,

the Palestinian community sponsor Hamas,

elites in Qatar funds/funded wat later became ISIS,

Pakistan supports al queda and it's citizens came out to protest the killing of the terriost Osama,

syria welcomed the FSA terrorists now the country is in chaos,

the afgans welcomed the terrorist Taliban before their rule became too hot for them,

the terrorist muslimbrotherhood are supported by millions of egyptians even after they have been overthrown, the saudis have labelled them terrorists but the USA has not ....etc,
these are real issues and these people have together murdered hundreds of thousands.

A Rogue missile hits a plane apparently mistaken for an enemy aircraft and u want us to label the Russian president a terrorist. Don't u see ur hypocrisy.

jomoh:
My friend the fact that you said christians are not allowed in Saudi Arabia shows you know little about the religion and countries practising them. That alone is enough to nullify what ever you've said. Their constitution forbids their citizen from becoming a christian. If the citizens are not shouting about it. What is the busines of an outsider?

Please tell me what percentage are muslims in brazil, argentina, columbia, chile all those american countries.

Do you know how many christians were being jailed/killed in buddhist nations like china.
why not go to them and complain?

Do you know that:

as at 2010 only 1.8% of chinas population are christians. Why didn't you complain about that.

http://m.christianpost.com/news/official-survey-reports-23-million-christians-in-china--46293/

As at 2010 only about 35000 out of 170million brazilians are muslims. Less than 001%. No muslim is shouting.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Brazil

Argentina has the largest Muslim minority in Latin America. Although accurate statistics on religion are not available (because the national census does not solicit religious data) the actual size of Argentina's Muslim community is estimated around 1% or 2% of the total population. The figures vary from 400,000 to 700,000 Muslims living there today.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Argentina

Compare this percentage with Brazil's

The population is estimated to be 32,585,692 as of July 2014, with most of them being Arabs (75-80%), followed by Kurds (15-20%) and others (5%). 99% are Muslims, 0.8% Christians and the rest belong to other minorities.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iraq

Again my question

What do you, the christians, the west and Illuminati want or have against Islam and its nations? Why not leave them alone and let them be?

U really need to study history. .
Muslims have never reasonable migrated to south America countries in any capacity. ..Arabs have never been known as explorers , only jihadist islamic expansionists. In fact muslims only recently started migrating to north America, American which had less than 100 thousand muslims a few decades ago to now over 9 million, a very similar case with Canada. .. Nobody stops them from practising their filthy religion. Even when they protest and shout death to America and isreal..or demand sharia law in their host countries.

On the other hand muslims have murdered christains, Jews and atheists for over a thousand years in the middle east, Europe and North Africa, christains revolted by fighting back in the crusades in an effort to save the Byzantine empire. There have been periods when christains were allowed to practise their religion in the muslim dominated middle east region but under the condition they pay an extortion money called the jizyah.
Muslims persecute and force non muslims to convert or die...this is why most islamic countries have a non muslim population of less than 5 percent in most cases , some even less than 2 percent.


Please explain this comment of yours quoted below because u didn't make an atom of sense, no offense intended. Did u even read what i wrote ? How can a society be prejudiced on others just because of religious affiliation
Please explain.

My friend the fact that you said christians are not allowed in Saudi Arabia shows you know little about the religion and countries practising them. That alone is enough to nullify what ever you've said. Their constitution forbids their citizen from becoming a christian. If the citizens are not shouting about it. What is the busines of an outsider?

ollah1:
Russia blew up a plane where innocent people diedd but no one has tagged them terrorists or a terrorist nation. If it was the other way round, we know what the media would be saying.

Russia and Ukraine and the separatist rebels have all been condemned by the International community and possibly by every sane human. Ukraine is even facing a lawsuit because of this...

I wonder what ur point is.. islam is violent and must be condemned when it's adherents go around murdering people.

Lol..Tartar9 u are such an uninteresting dull looking noise maker.

i will be posting ur notable insults here along with ur pic..

jomoh:
The question is not

What the religion is seeking to achieve?

but

What does the west see in the religion recently that threatens them.

Recently is bolded cos the religion has being in existence for more than two millenium. Why is it now (past 3 decades) that the religion now suddenly became violent to everyone.

Learn about the ultimate goal(agenda) of the illuminati, their allies and their strategies then you will understand that Islam poses as the greatest threat to the attainment of their goal and agenda.

It may sound as conspiracy theory but open your mind and you will see them before you. BTW any knowledge gotten from it is not lost.

Muslims have been fighting and killing non muslims for the past 1400 years. Why do u think there are no pagans on the middle east.. the muslims killed them all....christains and jews are approximately less than 2 percent in most islamic countries
...I wonder why.. , Google if u doubt. Christains are not allowed in mecca and many other sites in Saudi..

you are only knowing about the Islamic issues because of the awareness satellite TV stations and the Internet has granted you.
Go read up. Sunnis and shi'a muslims have killed each other for over 1300 years.

Start by go ogling this youtube video;
Why we are afraid by Bill warner

Every muslim who renounces Islam is one less potential terrorist to worry about.

9jaforlife:
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, NO, Muslims are NOT silly as you've said. It's you and your Christian folks that are totally brainwashed by the evil in your blood. You particularly are not only sick but you're merely an i*diot who still thinks that your f*oolish lies mean anything to me!

You refer to almost 2Billion people as 'so silly' and none of your hypocrite christian fellows will ever see this. If it was a Muslim that said so, you'd say that we insult. Next time you'll open your dirty mouth that you never insult Muslims. It's not surprising, you ARE a christian! Na your way of life!!


Now you claim America has lost its Christian roots But when you're singing praises of 'christian achievements' in modern civilization like automobiles, computers, etc, you accept them as christians, don't you?

Also when you boast about christian domination in the world, quoting the world christian population, you don't subtract America's population, do you? Another pointer to the fact that you and the christianity that you represent is one big joke!!


Evangelical liars may attempt to distort history by claiming that Hitler was an atheist, but that's just one of the very many lies of christianity! Hitler was a Christian, raised in a Christian home. The Holocaust was caused by Christian Fundamentalism.

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school.
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

HIS WORDS
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter....... For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)



HE WAS NOT AN ATHEIST
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Bush is not an atheist, are you saying that all the lives lost in the wars he ordered do not count? He is a Christian and has declared that the christian god ordered him to fight the wars! Look for another lie abeg.

Even Joseph Stalin was raised very religious in the Greek Orthodox Church. He was named after Saint Joseph and was raised to be a priest. His father was a priest and young Joseph spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary. The killer of tens of millions had his beginning in strong christianity!

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, though christian subscription to lies in the name evangelism is bad already, you have dragged it to a new low! Shame on to you and the whole of that farce called Christianity!

Al taqiyyah. ..9jaforlife u just can't stop using deciet. .


Seems u know little about Hitler
It is common knowledge he was Catholic and renounced christainity as an adult before goin on his genocide agaisnt jews, Christians and muslims.... he was fond of the occult as well. Only a lieing muslim such as ur self will not admit this. .u want him to be a christain so badly. .

Stalin was atheist. Are we given goin to debate this..


U often like to remind us of secular America and their presidents.
George Bush claims to be a christain. I won't say he wasn't. He was against homosexuality and abortion as president. He is most likely saying the truth . I don't know why u bring George Bush into this discussion. He is alive and well and no one has convicted him of any form of war crimes.
He successfully started the process that led to the killing of the terrible muslim arab dirt of a human called Osama and several thousands of his jihadists and close associates.
I know a lot of u Muslims are sad about this.

Bush also removed saddam and his sons. The Iraqis gladly hung that muslim evil mass murder saddam when America handed him over. Apparently u don't know that saddam killed tens of thousands of people from his own country, kurds and in Kuwait(during the war)

Unfortunately a few thousand "death to isreal" muslims died , that's sad... freedom doesn't come cheap. This is also the reason why u can not be a true christain and run a secular government.

Now run along.

proo212:
The sad thing is these people were killed whilst chanting death to Israel and America....

http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4837.htm

Who is moderate? Who is extremist? There's no difference

Lol. What an irony.....!, Muslims screaming death to America and getting blown up by radical Muslims. Sometimes instant karma has its humorous sides.

fctguy:
Na you deliver the death threats?
Saying what you cannot substantiate!

Here is one threat by a devout muslim, see pic below..do u want more?