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yazach:
Slowpoke did you also noted the way you spelt your committed

Auto correct

In the meanwhile learn ur verbs.

plaetton:
And Btw my dear, the op is not so much about this particular church, but on the broader questions of what a church represents in christian message, and what it means to be a christian and Christ - like, especially amongst semi-primitive peoples of Nigeria who blindly bought this christianity package without first understanding it.

This type of incident occurs every sunday on the premises of many Nigerian psntecostal churches. I have witnessed first hand, as beggers and destitues are scorned, harrassed and chased away by holy Nigerians carrying their oversized bibles hurrying to take front seats for their 5hr church services.

Lets call a spade a spade, modern churchianity has little in common with christianity.
Particularly in Africa, evangelical churches are simply MONEY-SCAM CENTERS.

I see your point, though U have delved into an entirely different topic.... The church business in Africa.

Nigerian churches both catholic and pentecostal need serious reform. Charity and salvation seems to be totally forgotten especially amongst the prosperity and faith preachers.

Some nigerian preachers now almost teach prosperity as salvation and sowing seeds and tithe as charity.

But that American church in the OP is known to be very charitable and did not intend to punish the homeless however they are being unfairly judged. They have even apologised several times for not thinking about the unintended consequences of their decision.

plaetton:
I didn't forget anything.
I posted the news as it was reported in more than 20 daily media in US and beyond.

The facts are the facts, irrespective of how you spin it.

No one disputes the charitable history of the church, but the undeniable facts are that the sprinkler system was put there to ward away the growing nuisance of the homeless people around the premises.

See you :
"The sprinkler system was put there to wash away the dirty needles".
When was the last time you used a sprinkler system to wash away needles and debri?
And... wash them away to where, if I may ask?
To your neighbor's yard

What a baloney!
I cant believe you would step up this sunday afternoon to economize truth just to defend what is clearly indefencable.

The good news is the church leaders are more sensible, because they have apologized for judgement error, without trying to rationalize their actions with baloneys.

I am not talking about the charity of the catholic church, that particular church provides accommodation for the homeless and feeds them. Why sprinkle water on them?.

I have seen the a video of the church premises as well as an interview with the priest and his story makes sense.

Before we spread half truths let's make sure of our information. Don't bear false witness.

Have a nice Sunday.

plaetton:
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed – Proverbs 19:17

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me – Matthew 25:35




http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/03/18/homeless-saint-marys-cathedral-archdiocese-san-francisco-intentionally-drenched-water-sleeping/

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U are not being entirely truthful,

A lot of homeless drug addicts sleep there and urinate, litter and drop needles for there drugs all over the place.

The sprinkler system was installed to wash away the needles and dirts into the gutters for easy removal.

U forgot to mention that that particular church has for years arranged housing for the homeless they can accommodate in church owned housing units as well as feeds hundreds of them each month.

The sprinkler system was removed when the homeless complained but the secular news folks still to propagate their agenda.

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tartar9:
Whorè to you SHAMELESS HARLOT .

If u are not happy with the sources i quote then Make ur complaints here
https://www.nairaland.com/2185531/muslims-answer-me

yazach:
@9jaforlife: don't mind that dullard she wanted to defend herself and committing another stupid blunders
did you also notice the bold in her statement: "a driod" she can not even spell android

driod is a nick name for android phones.. it was made popular by Motorola driod series... do u see how u expose ur ignorance. I have a driod phone.

And again u show u have a problem with verb usage. U should have said committed not committing.

Weah96:
Who is this WE that the Quran keeps repeating? I didn't know that there was a trinity in Islam too.

Good observation...apparently its Mohammed and his Islamic allah

RoyPCain:
maybe ifeann who left her village in nigeria and next port of call is finland reads, writes and speaks fussat arabic. maybe this is why she is an expert on islam. she is probably a scholar of islamic studies, yet she has no iman.

here i am i have been muslim all my life and i have seen islam under attack in all my adult life and i have not known anyone in the west that left islam, including children born of nigeria parents, now young adults. ironically, the enugu mother that i know whose son is a rising basketball star [mashaAllah, abdulMalik], the woman entered islam on her own and one of the nicest individuals i know; then we have ifeann to stand as the other direction.

i repeat; no muslim killed by Allah or His Apostle [SA]. no non muslim was killed for just being 'non muslim' which is why there were non muslims in Madina, unfortunately, even now in the arabia.


we can't say the same for the other religion where even now part of my home country hates muslims, even from their own bloodline; adain ifeann is a good example of the kind of vile with bile against islam.


let me tell you something, i am certain that i am more cosmopolitan than you. yes. i am a muslim and grateful that i am.


to answer the op; no true muslim hates the individual jew, for just being a jew. but we in islam dislike their hateful and evil deeds against God at the hand of the prophets they disobeyed [Moses], labelled [David, Solomon], murdered or killed [John] and plotted against in vain [Jesus]. if you do not dislike or even hate any of these evil deeds of theirs, do you love them because you think God still love them? if you think God still love them, why did He punish them when they sin, even by the hand of those God may not love as much?


@ifeann; i hope the yoruba blood in you will help you understand this; Wa ba mi nbe.

Please stop mentioning me without reasonable cause.
I have never told u I am ibo so why are u telling me about the ibo woman, I also have never told u I am yoruba?? So what's this about yoruba blood.

I mean no disrespect to any of these nigerian tribes but please don't presumably associate ifeann with any of them.

stinggy:
Make no mistake please, both Christianity and Islam are fake. None is better than the other, just conjecture of some people who wanted to keep you under their control.

As much as I disagree with u, u are entitled to ur opinion.

Rilwon:
indeed racism is bad Islam is against it

“O mankind, indeed We have created you from male
and female, and made you peoples and tribes, that you
may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you
in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you.
Indeed, Allah is the All-Knowing, All-Aware.” [The
Qur’an: Al-?ujuraat 49:13]

Ur Islamic allah and Mohammed has no trouble with murdering people for their believe if they reject him and the false dude Mohammed

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 ”
“ Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' — Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260 ”
“ A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle. — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271 ”
The Sahih Muslim collection, reiterates and confirms that which is in the Sahih al-Bukhari collection:[27] “ "(4152) 'Abdullah (b. Mas'ūd) reported Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community."[28] — Sahih Muslim, 16:4152 see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4154, Sahih Muslim, 20:4490

"it is NOT fitting for the prophet and those who believe that they should pray for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be kin(family)...", sura 9 ayah 113.


Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Rilwon:
Deu 20:16 [size=13pt] However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you. [/size]

Let me once again explain this to u Muslims.

“As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live”(Ez. 33.11).
The bible tells the reader that God does not delight in the death of the wicked. He gave the amorites 400 years of Grace to change, being ominipotent my guess is that God knew that they will not change but he was not quick to bring his judgement upon them.
Here is his message to Abraham;
“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans] is not yet complete”(Gen. 15. 13, 16).
So for 400 years the amorites continued in their iniquity and villainy. Babies where born who grew up to follow the evil footsteps of their parents. For 400 years, its fair to say this people made up their mind to be evil as a culture.
Think of it! God stays His judgement of the Canaanite clans 400 years because their wickedness had not reached the point of intolerability! This is the long-suffering God we know in the Hebrew Scriptures. He even allows his own chosen people to languish in slavery for four centuries before determining that the Canaanite peoples are ripe for judgement and calling His people forth from Egypt.
By the time of their destruction, Canaanite culture was, in fact, debauched and cruel, embracing such practices as ritual prostitution and even child sacrifice. The Canaanites are to be destroyed“that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God”(Deut. 20.18).
God had morally sufficient reasons for His judgement upon Canaan, and Israel was merely the instrument of His justice, just as centuries later God would use the pagan nations of Assyria and Babylon to judge Israel.
People have a misconception about God's approach to justice. He is forgiving, loving but he is also just.

9jaforlife:
First of all, Yemen is the base of the Al Qaeda group in the Arabian Penisula. This plays a factor in the sad crime. It's detestable and no human life should waste this way or in any way for that matter.

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, don't forget that these killings are the handwork of your Western christian family, America. We can't overlook their effort in this. They created, raised and funded Al Qaeda. This is the fruit of Christian labour. While you seize every single opportunity to entwine this dirt with Islam, don't forget that much more gruesome crime have been committed by non-Muslims, and no one laid the blame on the doorstep of christianity.


In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings❓

1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was❓

He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.

2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe".

He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.

Was he a Muslim❓

3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"

He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.

Was he a Muslim❓

4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"

He has killed 400 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim❓

5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle

He has killed 100 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim❓

6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,

1/2 million children
has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.

Why❓

Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words "JIHAD".

Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word "JAHADA" which means "TO STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE" against evil and for justice. It does not
mean killing innocents.

The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil".

You still think that ISLAM is the problem❓

1. The First World War, 17 million dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).


6. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS"

Please remove first double standards on Killings.

U just can't resist using al Taqiyya and lies.

Some corrections.
hitler killed christains, Jews, disabled folks and Muslims. He promoted occultic Germanic paganism. A lot of evidence also points to atheism because of a lot of atheist views he had as seen in recorded statements from him as well as his approval of eugenics.

America is a secular country and has lost its Christian roots, its a government that promotes homosexuality, abortions etc these are against christain doctrine.

The crimes and figures u posted were committed by atheists in the last 2 centuries.

Muslims have killed hundred of millions from the 7th century till today. Muslims are apparently so stupid that they buy guns from kaffir sellers to kill themselves. Let them continue, its one less muslim to worry about.

Hindus have a great hatred for Muslims do u know why?? google and see how many millions Muslims have killed
Do u know why amenians hate Muslims, google about the genocide of the people committed by Muslims.
Do u know why the crusades happened, google and see the murder Muslims where committing against Jews and Christians

9jaforlife:
Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, shame unto you for defending this utter s*tupidity of yours!! You don't have any sense of decency whatsoever!

The person you quoted wrote 'safe' instead of 'save'. Is this different from the nonsense you listed above How are you sure it wasn't auto correct that caused his/her own mistake?

This is the perfect picture of christianity. You accuse others of things you do on daily basis in your good for nothing lives, when somebody points out your pure hypocrisy, you still go ahead defending it shamelessly!! Christians are worse than the devil himself!!! I spit on that cursed religion. Wetin?!!

Here is the difference, I told u it was an autocorrect problem with my phone, then i corrected the error however the muslim fellows didn't say theirs was auto correct.. the other fellow clearly has a problem with verb usage. Empire ur friend also clearly has a problem with English despite his claim that he lives in the west.

I have pointed it out to him that it is making it difficult for me to read his replies but he rather chose to insult and said he isn't bothered about corrections.

Where is the hypocrisy??

Dude, the problem with the world is Islam not English. Stop throwing red herrings.

9jaforlife:
Firstly, kindly be aware that I'm not interested in the nonsense you posted to cover up the shame in Christianity!

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, why do you like feeling like a professor of English? I've seen you criticize the most trivial mistakes people make in their post, while you're guilty of the same offence many times..... Oh! I forgot you're a Christian!! The religion of hypocricy.

Well, if you had looked at your own post closely enough, the person you're correcting is better than you! I will show you many blunders in your own short sentence!

You should have written where, years, and these instead of the words I bolded. You couldn't even spell Mary, or write her name starting with a capital letter 'M'? Shame on you for seeing the fault in others while missing the many faults of your own! Typical of Christians!!

I typed that particular comment with my phone which at times changes what I typed...it's called auto correct ..very pesky. If u use an iPhone or a driod u will know sometimes it has a mind of its own. Were - where, marry- mary , year- years ..boohoo.. these are terrible blunders I must not know the English language..lol. the grammatical error I pointed out was definitely not auto correct. .he clearly has a problem with verb usage.

9jaforlife:
Like a Muslim Even a blind man will know those who love to be rude on NL. You guys throw insults, rain curses and the moment someone retaliates, you start preaching. Hypocrites!

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female. The great judge, ALWAYS judging others. Queen of Partiality. The double-dealer....Huh! I've always said it, haters cannot end well. So, even though he was the one that started the death curses, I'm the one making him throw curses all over NL I'm responsible for HIS actions You're sick!

Your comments don't only show that you're a mere dupe, it also speaks volumes of how immatured you are!

Christian Hypocrisy!!

So if I discuss what ur prophet did then I am immature. . Oh really?
Ur prophet was a pedophile
He was a mass murderer
He was always having sex, he even died on top of Aisha's bosoms with an erec.tion while mixing saliva with her
He was barbaric
He lied several times and encourage muslims to do so to hide there intentions from non believers
He captured, traded, breed and had sex with slaves. .he adviced the beating of women. .. and many more vile deeds all contained in your hadiths and quran..What u seein me discuss is not anti islam. .. it is ISLAM...I detest Islam and i am not afraid to show it. .i submit to you that Islam is falsehood and will lead you and other millions to hell if you don't accept jesus...

If u are not happy with the sources i quote then Make ur complaints here
https://www.nairaland.com/2185531/muslims-answer-me
■ Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you(mudlims) will be taken to HEll” (Sarwar)

9jaforlife:
Your mummy Ifeann aka parisbookaddict has lectured you, thank God! Just shows how d*umb you are!

U were both wrong for throwing insults like untrained kids. Now behave

9jaforlife:
Things you've said about Muslims in this comment is equally true about christians but you simply can't resist spewing nonsense! Some christians don't read that comic relief called byeboo as well, and soo many don't take it serious because they understand the cosmetic role of the book. You choose to follow it when you like. So, Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, what's your point

And once again, Muslims aren't forbiddent to have dogs, as long as they're properly trained. No need for you to say he was bipolar. Haven't you referred to him as 'mad'? I wonder why you think the opinion of a l*unatic like you makes any sense to me?

U are the one calling your prophet Mohammed mad. Apparent u aren't too familiar with the condition of people living with the bipolar disorder.
I have never refered to Mohammed as mad. He was evil, a sexual deviant but he was also a brilliant manipulator. I consider he was most likely bipolar because one minute he is saying nice things the other minute he is saying blood thristy evil things. One minute he is saying u can eat things a hunting dogs saliva touches the next he is saying angels don't enter a house dogs are in and he is telling his companions to kill dogs. One minute he is saying no adultery the next he is raping war captives or his sex slaves even tho he had several wives and so on.

Empiree:
You are still a dishonest evangelist. That's simple fact. After admitting mob action are everywhere, your ill notion that because they are Muslims, their case is exceptional is rubbish. In CAR, 417 mosques were just burnt down. You sure have no time to put that up. Instead you frustrating your life over nonsense.

The same way mobs killed people in Nigeria due to failed justice system or whatever reason is the same way the woman was treated in that country. It has nothing to do with religion. If i'd supported these mobs action, that might justified your egocentric, hate filled post of yours. Get a life.

So u are saying she was lynched because she is a woman and Not that she burnt the quran


Really ??
Anyway, women are treated badly there just like in everyother Islamic country and ur quran approves it.

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,"


Quran 4:34:
" Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Empiree:
Ifeann:

Honestly, this is irrelevant. You have worse going on in your country called Nigeria where thieves are lynched before cops arrive.

Alleged thieves don't get justice. Same applies here...it doesn't matter if the woman burn Quran. If her action violates Afghan constitution, police are to be summoned and she gets her day in court. It's that simple.

But posting this this nonsense to satisfy your stupidity and mentioning my moniker is very childish.

The mobs are criminals themselves and they deserve to be investigated and punished. It's that simple.

Mobbing happens everywhere. And just St. Patrick day, some White guys mobbed someone. So what difference does it make. Get a life.

Mob action happens everywhere even the so called land of the free..
Mob action is vile and must be discouraged and I am glad for once u called a spade a spade..

However mob action has valid and reasonable causes eg.. failed justice system, poor or non existence protection from security officers, a frustrated crime riddled community etc.. this has led to vigilante mob actions on ; rapists in India, suspected suicide bombers in your country nigeria, etc

But here we have a mob action on a mentally ill woman because she burned an evil hate filled quran by devout muslims. That my friend is disgusting and incomprehensible. ..

■"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

SalC:
Yemen's turmoil to me is more political than religious.

Islam is not a religion....it's a political ideology. .the Qur'an is the constitution or heavily influemeces the constitution of countries like Saudi Arabia , iran, etc and once muslims become a majority in any country they must make the country islamic this is why we have over 49 islamic countries.

johnydon22:
No human suppose to loose his/her life because of something like Faith/belief. human life is too precious for that.
Value human life and nof belief don't know how some people can be evil enough to take someone's life.
This is bad, if they were tired and wanted to meet allah, why not hang yourself and not drag other people along.. Saddens my heart for the lost precious lives..
This is what we get when people cannot see the value in their life and the value in human life and revolves their thinking on one delusional shiity plagiarized stupendous primitive book written by one dirty looking arabic weed smoker.
#SaveMankind #HealTheWorld #LoveTheEarth #ValueHumansNotFaith

Muslims are forbidden to commit suicide but are allowed to die while killing other people in the name of Allah...in fact martyrdom is the only sure way of entering "paradise" according to the quran..


Qur'an (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of
this world for the other. Whoso FIGHTETH IN THE WAY OF Allah, BE HE
SLAIN or be he victorious, on him WE SHALL BESTOW A VAST REWARD"

Qur'an (9:111)-"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and
their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they
fight in His cause, AND SLAY AND ARE SLAIN: a promise binding on Him
in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the
Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then
rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement
supreme."

Qur'an (2:207)-"And there is the type of man who GIVES HIS LIFE to
earn the pleasure of Allah..."
Qur'an (61:10-12)"O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that
will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His
Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with
your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but
knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath
which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity:
that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."