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usermane:
Ma'am, but in the end you nailed them, hammered them, they turned to personal attack in their desperation to find fault in your beliefs. Sometimes telling the truth or criticizing others only enrages them, hardening their hearth. In several instances, i refused to step in to defend Islam because i acknowledge that your allegations are true to an "Islam" that is out there. By the way, you seem to be getting under the skin of Islam section agents. Do take a break.

Usermane once again I see ur point.

I won't be creating more topics for a few weeks unless I am provoked to do it. A lot of muslims are hopelessly ignorant and willing to follow any teaching as long as Mohammed is associated with it.

No matter the evidence presented they remain blind and deaf to the truth.


As much as I disagree with u on some aspects of Islam I would like to say Thanks for being open minded and having a conscience. Most of all, thanks for bringing these issues to your fellow Muslims.

U are an exceptional muslim.

malvisguy212:
you don't even know what prophecy is, long before peter deny Jesus, Jesus has prophesied it;
◄ Mark 14:30 ►
"Truly I tell you," Jesus answered,
"today--yes, tonight--before the rooster
crows twice you yourself will disown me
three times."

the old testament verse you quote are for thoes who followed the law.

Lol, why did u bother to reply him.. Ok maybe for the other ignorant Muslims he may mislead.

I tot it wise to ignore the fellow because his argument defeats him better. Look at the excuse he gave for not following the example of his prophet marrying Aisha at 6 and sleeping with her at 9 . What does germination have to do with anything.

On another note, how is ur weekend. Have u seen my latest post.
Shalom.

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Empiree:
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Woman, you dont get it do you?. This verse and other verses like it are pretty much saying the same thing. None of them talk about all non-muslims. This is very simple.

So are you saying all Muslims in the world are rebelling against Allah by having friends: in schools, at work, businesses, leisure you name it?. You are the one devoid of guidance. Those verses are as clear as day light. Because you have nifaq(diseases of the Soul) in your heart, that's why you dont want to admit my explanations.

I dont necessarily need to mention you. I quoted you in your threads. Your problem is after you are refuted, you came up with "taqqiyah" (same as highlighted above) the phrase used by islamophobes. You so fluent in it. You have been doing that because you can not refute us.

So i am refuting you again that verses like 5:80, 5:51, 3:28 etc are not referring to all non-Muslims i:e making enemies with ALL OF THEM. Again, pls refer back to this thread where i explained to so called true2god https://www.nairaland.com/2107957/fun-facts-islam/5#down. And looking at the way you and your cohorts display your nuisance on NL, clearly, you fit the bill (those alleged verses)

But if you insist those verses order Muslims to hate all non-muslims, then you saying muslims who have non-muslim friends are rebels. Yes, I do take precautions against having non-muslm friends because possibilities of them doing haram things like drugs, homosexual, fornication, worshiping idols,vulgarity etc is very high because they usually dont know right from wrong. What is permissible from what is not. Is this difficult for you to understand?.

On higher level, like taking them as allies(those vehement disbelievers). It is common sense. Why would Muslims make friends and allies with everything mentioned above without cautioning themselves?. Is this difficult to understand?. My arguments are "illogical" to you because you cant fathom them. All you could say was it's taqqiyah. Rubbish

I am about to extirpate these whole spiral arguments now because you really have nothing new to offer. It's same old tactics used by islamophobia industries you also exhibited on NL.

Salaam

Salam

U haven't told me u love me like I asked u too. Ur quran forbids it.

U tell me that, oh, the quran doesn't mean don't take all non Muslims as friends . What a joke. Sorry I won't take your word for it. Prove it. And don't send me any link or copy and paste from ur lying pro Islamic propaganda sites.

U Muslims disobey ur quran and hadiths all the time becauses its rules are irrational and sometimes just plain silly.

U muslim are commanded that u should only live by sharia law when u Muslims are a majority of a country.
Their are over 49 muslim countries how many of them are governed by sharia.

U quran says stone the adulteress, how come when u decide to stone an adulteress and the international community raises an alarm u guys buckle and say "okay we no do again"

How come not all Muslims kill apostates.

How come u haven't married off ur 6year old sister or daughter to a middle aged man.

U Muslims disobey ur prophet all the time.


Al Taqiyya is designed for u Muslims to use lieing and deceit to blend in where kaffirs are the majority and propagate Islam.. Let me very briefly remind u what al Taqiyya is;
Qur'an 3:28—Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
Ibn Kathir on 3:28—Allah said next, (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah (al Taqiyya) is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''




Please I am waiting to see where u said u saw me refer to Lord, Jesus, son of God and One with God as a prophet.

Empiree stay on the issues and stop lieing.
Shalom

limamintruth:
To the best of my knowledge, there's nothing like horrors in the bible. So why not identify these 'biblical horrors' you claim exist, for us to also see?

If you are referring to the ancient wars fought by the jews as recorded in the bible, those are war scenerios. And in every war, people die (even the isrealites lost so many of their people during most of these wars).

So what horrors are you then talking of?

johnydon22 is a humanist who thinks the Jews and Arabs should have been out hugging trees and shopping for iphones for 4800 years of their recorded history.

limamintruth:
And i consider evangelism to be in phases. There is the evangelism were you preach the gospel of Christ Jesus to the heathens; there's also the one in which you expose the plans & lies of the agent of darkness to people, so that everyone will beware & be informed about the conspiracies of the the devil in winning more lost souls to his side. There is another evangelism that solely involves philanthropy i.e where one spreads the message of christ through giving, sharing & kindness; thereby using only good deeds (not words) to win more souls to christ Jesus.

Beautiful summation.

harbibi:
Two babies were in a mother’s womb. One asked the other: “Do you think there's life after delivery?”

The other answered, “Why, yes, of course. There has got to be something after delivery. Perhaps we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.”

“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”

The second replied, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t comprehend right now.”

The first snorted, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”

The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”

The first replied, “That's silly. If there is life, then why has no one ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”

“Well, I don’t know,” answered the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”

The first laughed “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s moronic. If Mother exists then where is She now?”

The second replied, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her our world would not and could not exist.”

Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”

To which the second responded, “Sometimes, when it's quiet and I focus and really listen, I can perceive Her presence, and I can hear Her loving voice singing over us from above.”

--- written in 2012 by Czech psychiatrist Jirina Prekop MD, who authored Erstgeborene and has co-authored Auf Schatzsuche bei unseren Kindern

Thanks for sharing, very nice metaphor .
The atheist will say “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”

Logic doesn't tell the whole story.

johnydon22:
You know all this long boring post was unnecessary...
I only suggested you also post similar verses from bible for discussion just like you do the quran.
Dont know why you got all defensive even when no question was posed yet.
have no time any more opening religious thread, so you religious folks do that yourselves..
all i am saying is post from both bible and koran so the killings and barbarisms in both books will be discussed not being one sided because of your sentimental attachments to the bible...
I dont even have time to argue anymore shaaa...the truth should be balanced dont you think?

Let me know when Christians start killing unbelievers and with verses from the bible showing Jesus commands them to.

Empiree:
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You are not making any sense with the verse you quoted. I am not going back to that. I already dealt with subject here
https://www.nairaland.com/2107957/fun-facts-islam/5#down and you said usermane clarified that with you yet you still pretend like such verses are talking about all non-muslims?. Don't you think you are being very silly?.

And unless you believe in more than one God, that other prophets worshiped, you gonna have to prove that to me. As far as i can tell you are defeated in threads you opened. That's why you keep jumping around...parading yourself as non-muslim "expert"

All God's prophets from the time of Adam to Muhammad (peace upon them all) acknowledged and served only one God. You don't have evidence otherwise. To even make your matter worse you called Jesus, prophet of Allah(God), God. This is blasphemy (shirk). A sin that condemns one forever in Hell. Same as calling him son of God.

Empiree stop all your lies and al Taqiyya...

What are u talking about.

Dude pls where did u see me refer to Jesus as a prophet.

Are u high on cheap glue.

Again, this is how I would have quoted that verse;

Qur'an 3:28—Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers

But after accepting that usermane has some good argument on why friend may not accurately portray the Arabic word I now quoted this;

Qur'an 3:28—Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends/protectors/allies (depending on how u translate the Arabic) in preference to believers.


Besides their are other verse we haven't talked about on that topic

Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."

Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."


Unlike u I am not closeminded

Empiree u have not dealt with anything talkless of defeating my argument, I am bored of u always going in cicles, I noticed u posted something in one of my threads, I will read that when I have ur time, please next time mention me on the post so I get notified of ur "rebuttal".

Anybody can look at my posts and see for themselves ur weak and atimes illogical arguments.

Rilwayne001:
@Ifeann. I don't know why I got banned and my posts removed after submitting my replys to your posts. As seen up here 2posts has been hidden, I tried with this moniker and my other moniker but to my surprise both was banned from commenting on this section. Then I tried it again (i.e. to reply you) on the romance section offtopic thread, again I got banned in the romance section, same thing in the Islam for muslim section too. I got banned each time I try to reply your horrendous claim up here...I have been banned from the 3sections gor the past 24hrs now, I think that of Islam for muslims is yet to be lifted. I just pray this particular post is not closed and I get banned again.

I would have love to delve into replying you all over again but seriously you have broken my heart, and from to day onward I have no business with you.

Wow maybe u must have said some nasties or broken the rules hence u got banned. I saw one of ur posts about ur heartbleeding and I have replied.

Please I hope I haven't offended u in anyway. I only quote and analyze ur authentic hadiths and quran.

Rilwayne001:
With the above post it is obvious you are here to provoke and not to learn....and seriously my heart bleeeds after reading this last night, I had to control myself by reminding myself of the verse of the Quran that says:

Quran, 28:55 "And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant. '

Quran, 3:159 "It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

I pass to him your faults and ask his forgiveness upon you for your blasphemous act on this section.

Frosbel has done more than you, he hates islam more than you, he is more fanatic more than you, check his threads its over 2000, about 500 of it attacks islam the ways you are doing now.
Now search for frosbel and see if he is still displaying his ignorance like before.

Oh well! the thing is pinching you, you are one of thise zealous christian who just stumbled on some anti-islam website. Well people like Brave.guy, Francis.tony, macell.iot and frosbel has done more than you so its not a new thing, continue.

But as for me, I will try as much as possible to ignore you, because I so much hate ignorant stiffnecked people like you.

Bon voyage.

Salam
I am upset that ur heartbled yesterday ... Believe me that was not my intention.

Let's look at what made ur heart bleed.

I said amongst other things that he was pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.

Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.

2.sex addict, yes certainly.

The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.

3. slave trader.

Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc

Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;

Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about coitus interruptus.

Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).

Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.

4. mass murderer:

ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.

Let me remind u of some quran verses.

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."


5. illiterate:

Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.

6. Arab:

Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.

7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??

Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like stupid or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes.

***mordified : dude I forgot to mention about the poison..

U do know that ur prophet died of poisoning.
If u don't know this one muslim fact then why are u a muslim.. I know how Christ died every christain does.

Now the debate in Islam is who actually poisoned him..
The sunnis say it was a Jewish woman who gave him goat meat as tribute, the man must have loved his meat because the story says that the Jewish womans tribe was slaughtered by Mohammed and his jihadists.

The shi'a say it was Aisha. Poor Aisha is hated so much by shi'as. This is one of the reasons why shias and sunnis have killed each other for generations. Remember it was u sunnis that killed ur prophets grandkids if I remember correctly. I assume u are sunni since u guys make up 90percent of nigerian Muslims.

johnydon22:
And why is she also exposing the real truth and horrors in the bible...and many atrocities committed by early christians?? this Truth is sentimental and biased!!!

Hi buddy, I often don't bother arguing with atheists or agnostics because of their closemindedness on all religion.

I have engaged u before and we kept goin in circles.

Are there killing in the OT, yes
Are there wars in the OT, yes
Are there commands to be fair, loving, righteous etc, also yes
But u are upset about the violence right?

Every civilisation including small tribes, Jews, igbos, fulani, kanuri, yoruba etc have had wars in the past and all have diverse and complex histories.

However, The Jews meticulously recorded theirs and all the prophecies of their prophets and notable events in their history for thousands of years which forms the backdrop for understanding the new testament in greater detail..

You often appeal to events in the old testament which contains ancient passages that was recorded when God was setting up and giving Laws to his people the Jews over 2,800 years before the birth of Christ who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father (600 years afterwhich Mohammed came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc )

Have u read the context of the verses u appeal to in the old testament, the inner and historic context. Do u know the theological reason behind the old law..

Why don't u create a topic and ask these questions in a nonmocking manner ( u often use condescending and patronising language, that's right, I have been watching u buddy 0_0 ) and we shall address them.

Shalom.

Alexk2:
hmmm...don't mind me jor, i only seems to have a different understanding of what the gullible and ignorant need.
instead of the truth abt quran i strongly believe we all need the TRUTH and THE LIFE HIMSELF, i also believe the Truth can only be found in the word of God!

If there is any message a true christian should preach, it should be from the very Word of God and we can never have enough of it.

does it not concern you that she only end up making them angry and incite some. does it not concern you that it turn out to be a disservice to God?...in my bible, Christians are to be agents/symbol of peace. Rom. 12:18 explain that clearly!

Hi buddy. We have had this discussion before.

Most Muslims don't know a lot of the commands contained in the quran or hadiths. They often recite the quran in 7th century classical Arabic and not 21st century Arabic or English. If u show them the meaning of those verses then they start to think and ask questions. Why all the sex, violence and hatred in their book.
Some may argue ignorantly to defend it, others will go back and study.

I also do comparative analysis where I quote Christian scripture and compare it with commands in the quran to show how different they are.

I don't misrepresent the quran I just quote the verses and ask for explanation. I am against insulting Muslims and their prophet. I don't do that.
Please minister to Muslims how u can. Its difficult but it has to be done at all fronts and with all methods.

Empiree:
This is all about jealousy as far as i can tell. If indeed you, Ifeann truly know Islam, you could have easily figured out your op is mixed with falsehood.

Anyways, i know as usual it's copy and paste job. If i am interested i will stay the course and trash nonsense you framed up there. You have no focus. That's why you keep creating and jumping from one thread to other. It's all about jealousy. You (Christians) wish God could have gave you a center of unity like Kaaba in Mecca for Muslims. Qur'an speaks of your hatred and jealousy.

"And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper." 2:120

(Al-Imran 119:120):
"Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book, the Qur’aan]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’
If good touches you, it distresses them; but if harm strikes you, they rejoice at it. And if you are patient and fear Allah , their plot will not harm you at all. Indeed, Allah is encompassing of what they do."

It's not too late for you to repent and return to Islam...the religion of all God's prophets. You have no credibility.

Salaam

Religion of all prophets?? Are u serious, who told u that, let me guess, Mohammed? The false prophet we are talking about.

What jealousy my friend. ?

U say ur unity is in the black (pagan) kabba in mecca, that's ur standard. The unity of Christians is Christ in heaven. We are spiritual and not carnal and worldly like Mohammedan Muslims.

U claim to love us. Pure Fallacy..... quote the quran where u are commanded to love non Muslims.

Qur'an 3:28—Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends/protectors/allies (depending on how u translate the Arabic) in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.

Ibn Kathir goes on to elaborate in 3:28—Allah said next, (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah (al Taqiyya) is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''





My brother in humanity, the word of God tells Christians to love all people while urs says fight them and don't pray for certain unbelievers.

Empiree, I love you as Christ commands me. Please say that u love me and will pray for christains and I will know if u won't contradict Mohammed.