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AllNaijaBlogger:
^^^

Is this guy a sensible muslim at all? So you are now arguing that christians support 13 year olds having sex or fathers marrying daughters to cover up your support for child marriage?

So, in addition to being a child marriage supporter cum pedophile supporter, you are also a liar and an anti-christian bigot?

Lol... u don't understand how the Muslim mind works. .. it's sickening. ..

what the fellow is trying to let u know is that it is better to abuse children sexually than to protect them. .. and fail....

I wonder where u got ur statistical data from...don't get me wrong. .i agree with two or three points raised, but without ur data references most of ur points are utter nonsense and does not reflect reality. ...

vooks:
The recent massacres in Paris of the staff of Charlie Hebdo and the Jews in a kosher supermarket, and the increasing incidences of butchering young people coming out of pubs have made more people concerned about the rise of terrorism. Tens of thousands have come out to demonstrate.



Since the 9/11 attack on New York and the Pentagon in 2001, there have been close to 25,000 terrorist attacks worldwide, all of which were perpetrated in the name of Islam. That is about 5 terrorist attacks every day. So far two million people have been killed and a similar number are maimed and injured. These attacks are becoming more frequent. Yet something is not changing.



Immediately after the attack, the president or the prime minister of the country in which the attack has taken place goes on TV and declares that this attack had nothing to do with Islam.
Right after that the chief of police announces that he has taken all the measures to protect Muslims from any imaginary backlash and nonexistent reprisal.
In the evening of the same day the mainstream media interviews an imam or a Muslim spokesperson who emphasizes that Islam does not condone violence.
We are then told that extremists exist in all religions and reminded that some thirty years ago a few Christians killed a few abortionist murderers of unborn babies.
Then the pundits are called to pontificate that the root cause of Islamic terrorism is not in what the terrorist themselves say, and nothing to do with the Quran (that in hundreds of verses calls on the believers to kill the unbelievers), but in the injustice done to Muslims in other parts of the world, such as in Abu Ghraib prison and particularly in Palestine where half a century ago Israelis defeated the Arab invaders who had vowed to drown them in the sea.
A few days after that the police and the politicians of the victim country hold meetings with the leaders of the Muslim community where they conclude that more money should be given to the “moderate Muslims” to persuade the “radicals” to not take their religion seriously.
The experts also conclude that emblems like Christmas and Christmas trees hurt the religious sentiment of Muslims and they should be removed from public institutions, shopping malls and schools, while at the same time Muslims should be given some concessions, like not requiring them to wash their hands before performing operation on patients, designating a room and Islamic toilets for them in public institutions, and allow them to apply for driving license without requiring them to show their face.
Also, in the spirit of integration and community cohesion, everyone should be forced to eat halal meat, which involves extra cruelty to the animals, without their knowledge, whether they want it or not.


This tune is replayed every time there is a terrorist attack. The narrative never changes, despite the unequivocal assertion of the terrorists themselves who make it clear they are motivated by the teachings and examples of their prophet and his promise of virgins. Methinks, the record of history is broken. How else can we explain that after a repetition of 25,000 times one would not question the validity of this narrative?



While politicians in western countries and the mainstream media are stuck in the above narrative, the truth is not hidden from the Muslims. Al Sisi, the president of Egypt, in his 2015 New Year’s speech in Al Azhar University, addressing top Sunni clerics said, “it is not possible that 1.6 billion people [reference to the world’s Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live.” Sisi did not blame Abu Ghraib, Israel, nor made other silly excuses for Islamic terrorism. He blamed the “ideology” of it. But the ideology—which says, kill the unbelievers so you go to paradise—comes straight from the Quran.



Sisi cannot go further than that. What he said is already too much and if he did not have the military behind him, he would have been thrown into jail. However, if a non-Muslim raises the same concerns raised by Sisi, they will be called racist and denounced as an Islamophobe.



We are told, “You can’t paint an entire group of people with the same wide brush.” But there is a war going on. People are being killed. We have to know our enemy. Who is the enemy?



Of course not everyone is the same. Although each individual is unique we can classify Muslims in three broad categories. In practice, an individual often belongs to more than one category. The proportion of the overlap varies, and just as 18 decillion colors are created by the combination of just three colors and their intensity, the degree to which Muslims belong to each category gives rise to infinite diversity among them. No Muslim exists out of these three categories.



The first category is that of good Muslims. By good I mean true believers—those who follow the teachings of their prophet, the Quran and the Sunnah to the letter, who try to emulate him in every way and are strict and pious Muslims. Since the teachings and the examples of Muhammad are full of violence and terror, the more one follows and emulates him the more radical one becomes. Muhammad raided and butchered people merely because they were not his followers. The good Muslims do the same. All the bombings and terrorism perpetrated by Muslims are replicas of Muhammad’s raids, or ghazwa, as he called them. Taking women as sex slaves, which the Islamic State and Boko Haram practice was also practiced by Muhammad and he sanctioned it in the Quran (33:50; 23: 1-6; 70:30; 4:24; 66:1-2). He ordered the assassination of his critics stoning the adulterers, chopping the hands of thieves and killing the apostates. So, the terrorists are actually good Muslims.



The second category is of bad Muslims. These are those who don’t practice their religion and are often ignorant of it. They may pray or chant the Quran, but have no clue of its content. They read it for thawab (reward) without understanding it. These Muslims are ordinary people we all know. Like everybody else, some are good and some are not so good. Some of them are friendly, but they see themselves as superior, by virtue of their faith, and of “higher morals.”



Morality in Islam has nothing to do with what others understand by this word. Morality for women is to cover their hair lest it arouse sexual feelings in men. For men, it is not to shake hands with Muslim women lest it arouse them sexually, or not to masturbate, etc. Morality in Islam is primarily about genitals and their use. For example, while having sex out of marriage is considered immoral, stoning people caught in such act is not immoral. While looking at bare arms and legs of Muslim women is considered immoral, raping non-Muslim women is not immoral. Homosexuality is immoral, but pedophilia is not.
http://alisina.org/?p=5045

Nice write up... ali sina does not disappoint in destorying the falsehood of Islam

tartar9:
they have started again when did He(SAW) invent any sayings in Allah's name :-/

Are u serious man. .

[quote author=LagosShia post=9691665]Most christains know thecontext ofthese verses. ..if your intention is to create doubt in christain minds then u are wasting ur effort... apparently u are a shia Muslim... u are not even a real Muslim. .. Yet u devote ur time to promoting the ills of the quran..

malvisguy212:
good evening, I did not see you two days,hope all is well?

Been tied up with some things i an working on. .. but Will make some posts this weekend. ..

Hope u have been gud. . Cheers

malvisguy212:
I think the guy is a film producer, he cannot chat without uploads videos,he believe in videos more than the quran.

Empiree doesn't have intelligent points hence he uploads videos of better Islamic lairs to do the talking for him. .. don't bother wasting your time with him. .. he will Join his prophet if he continues with the way he is going

johnydon22:
This is honesty speaking... i really commend you for being truthful and unbiased.

I for one nothing saddens me more than anybody loosing his/her life cus i believe all human life is the only thing sacred.

Humans killing another is very wrong and should be condemned by all.

As a christain i must be honest. ..no practise of al taqiyyah here. .

it actually frustrates me when i see Muslims kill them selves over Islam. .. even the isis and bh.. they are humans who Christ came to save. ..they believe they are doing their god's work. ..This gives religion a bad rep. .

the world is getting tired of Muslims. .i suspect we will see more incidents like this. .it is the only logical progression.

johnydon22:
Can we now say that all the theist robbing and killing in the society everyday has something to do with their religion?

Maamin:
where are the Atheists that claimed to be the best of morally upright of humankind, to come and make excuses for this terrorist

AllNaijaBlogger:
It is good you confessed. The way you atheists normally bash christians and muslims as if you are better- now the shoe is on the other foot.

Anybody that wants to bash athesits for the actions of this man is misguided because of one reason. .. atheists don't have a common doctrine or book that calls for the godless to kill Muslims or christains. .... athiests kill because they chose to and this is traceable to the lack of a moral compass. ..

On the other hand the Qur'an commands Muslims to murder atheists and pagans. .. fight the christains And jews...and make them pay the jizyah or convert or be killed. .


This man must be condemned for his actions but there is no need bringing all atheists into the issue.

Mohammed says fight them till they pay the jizyah or convert. .. if they don't kill them. ..

These are devout Muslims following Mohammed

midolian:
you are the one that is not bn realistic sir..I don't want to believe there are still pple in the world that believes bokoharam are muslims..pls its a ridiculous statement..may I remind you that this same boko haram bombed a mosque in kano..let me tell you wat you don't know. Some traitors in government are behind the killings and not muslims...it is clearly stated in the Quran that there is no compulsion in religion...lemme put exactly: Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]
One of the fundamental truths established by the sacred texts is that no one can be compelled to accept Islam. It is the duty of Muslims to establish the proof of Islam to the people so that truth can be made clear from falsehood. After that, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever wishes to continue upon unbelief may do so. No one should be threatened or harmed in any way if he does not wish to accept Islam.

So to crown it all sir, you need to stop been biased and take ur time to understand things b4 jumping into conclusion..All these terrorist groups have their own aims and objectives and not as they ve made you guyz believe

@ midolian

please dont tell me usual standard muslim response that
those muslims who commit terror are:
1) Tiny minority
2) Misunderstaders of Islam
3) Not true muslims
4) Are zionist agents sponsored by the CIA to tarnish the image of Islam
5) They do not understand quran in 'original' arabic
6) The dont go to mosque regularly.
7) They have been radicalized
They dont represent the 1.5billion muslims.
9) They are marginalized by the govt.
10) It is the fault of the victims who offend the fragile sensibilty of
muslims
11) alllah know the best.
And other standardized excuses that islamic apologist give anytime their
foot-soldiers go on a killing spree.


When your prophet left mecca for Medina he turned into a warrior and started killing unbelievers, beheading jews and brought theverses Abt fighting jews and christains til they pay up the jizyah . When he was in mecca was when he preached no compulsion in religion so as not to offend the meccans.

This is classic con man behavior. Blend in until u can strike.

The Qur'an advocates the beating of wives who are perceived
to be misbehaving.
Qur'an - 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,
because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because
they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the
righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their
husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders
them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.).
As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them
(first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them
(lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not
against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High,
Most Great.

Before u start singing this is misinterpretion let's look at how others ttanslated it


Eg ALIM CDRom translations
Asad –beat,
Malik- beat
Pickthall –scourge
Ali- beat
USC site
Yusufali –beat
Pichthall –scourge
Shakir –beat
The free Saudi versionof the Koran also has BEAT
Robert Spencer also includes these :
Al-Hilali/Khan: “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)”
Sher Ali: “and chastise them”
Khalifa: “then you may (as a last alternative) beat them”
Arberry: “and beat them”
Rodwell: “and scourge them”
Sale: “and chastise them”
Daryabadi: "and beat them"
Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, Al-Hilali/Khan, Malik, Shakir, Sher Ali, Khalifa, Daryabadi and Asad are Muslims. Are their translations all "incorrect and offensive"? (reference)

Note: chastise means punish, thrash, inflict corporal punishment and scourge means whip, lash etc (Encyclopedic World Dictionary 1971, The Australian concise Oxford Dictionary 1987).

For more information on the cruel treatment of women by their prophet click

https://www.nairaland.com/2141191/muslim-women-ur-husbands-like

lolafowowe:
hi purestboy
i think u re a fool for wat u posted here
if u don't know anything about Muslim way of life,
why embarrass urselve

How can a lady like u use such insulting language. . Didn't ur muslim parents teach u good manners. .apologize to the op and explain to him where u think he is wrong. ..

AllNaijaBlogger:
You have started again. Arguing on irrelevant issues.

Please, what is the age of the Alaafin of Oyo's wife? I and many others have complained about the polygamous nature of the Alaafin of Oyo's marriages. However, I googled the age of the wife and got no results. Please, we do not protest based on ignorance.

Please, do not call anyone a hypocrite here. I doubt that any christian or even atheists are in support of polygamy or the Alaafin of Oyo.


Can you see how you look ridiculous when you bring up the Alaafin of Oyo?



The end result is the same. There is no condition that makes child marriage acceptable; this is absolute even when the parents decide such.


You are here arguing that the parents are right to marry off a 13 year old but also saying that you won't give out your 15 year old daughter to marry. Some hypocrisy.


Any man that impregnates a 13 year old is a rap.ist and a pedophile. So marriage is out of the question despite the pregnancy.


It is also as if you are arguing that marriage is the only way to correct a 13 year old se.xually active girl. This is horribly wrong.

I see you notice the utter nonsense in empiree 's arguments. . He is indeed lost. ..

He won't condemn polygamy which is legalized adultery and is against the teachings of Christ. .but he claims he loves Christ. .

He also brings Alaafin of Oyo's wife into the fray... but are we talking about age difference... the woman looks like a grown up adult. .. that the man is far older than her is not out business. .. she made her choice for obvious reasons. .

He also brings up the pedo.phile priests. .. the vatican kicks them out once they are discovered. .. it must also be noted that the transparency of the church has made this information avaliable. ...In additions this is a very tiny tinnny minority of priests compared to the millions of preists that remain celibate and preaching the gospel without scandal. .


There has been hundreds of cases of imams having sex with children both male and female under their care in almagiri schools on Nigeria alone. ..even Muslims complain of this. ..u have to wonder what about the thousands of un reported cases thru the years ..and the millions of cases in the Muslim world where there are no checks or systems of control

Faibuhari:
. I can't understand how gullible people can be, this democracy has opened my eyes to why the north has always been denied education so that they can't see through the prism of their Islamic scholars

Their are many theories in psychology that explains this. .. but i prefer this simple fact "people forget easily".

What did u have for lunch the day before yesterday. ..?? See what i mean. .people forget easily. ..

People have forgotten how this man buhari overthrew a democratic government. ...fought freedom of expression. . amongst many others..The executions, scandals etc..

They have also forgotten that under jonathans administration;
He exposed the subsidy cartel
Improved agriculture
Invcreased oil output and revenue
Gave the north hundreds of almagiri schools like they asked for.
Also gave them several universities. .
Made headway in power reforms
Spent billions on federal roads
I am not sure but i think the Nigerian content act was signed under his adminstration which had improved indigenous participation in the sector
We also have a growing manufacturing sector. .

I want to make it clear tho that i am not happy with the state of the country in terms of corruption and security but the man is not a failure. ..

Under his adminstration democracy had thrived .....u can say anything about the president even on Facebook with ur name and have nothing to fear. ..

After The debates i will decide who to vote for. .but it won't be buhari....

Faibuhari:
I love the way you are shooting those islam thugs from all cylinders. If you run out off ammo just ask

It is only an attempt to educate and stop the lies we are often told..

In the mean time educate people on buhari and let's make sure buhari retires from the public view this year.. he needs to tend to his grand kids

midolian:
c'mn stop misunderstanding the verses in the Quran jst to please urself..Islam respects the choice of unbelievers..

Respect his freedom of choice to be a "Disbeliever" - as this is a right bestowed upon humanity by God:Quran 18:29 proclaims, "The truth is from your Lord": it is the free will of any person to believe (in God) or to be an Infidel (Un believer).

To further prove you wrong, it is also contained in the Quran that Even if a Muslim should be convinced that someone is a non-believer, still he must accept that his fate is in the hands of God alone, since no one human can condemn another - this must be left to the judgment of God.
Quran 88:25-26 for behold, unto (ONLY) Us (means God) will be their return, Then it will be for (ONLY) Us to Judge (humans).

22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean an ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things. ..


And there is one thing u must know..the unbeliever you see mentioned in the Quran are the Idol worshipers and not the christians cos the christians believe that God exists..buh even @ that, we respect them and pray God guides them to the straight path.

But you were not asked to pray for christains either. ..Christains are asked to pray for even their enemies. .

Ur quran calls christains cattle. .. infact one Muslim has used the verse as an insult to reply a comment i made. .ur quran also calls Jews pigs and apes. ..

So yes, u weren't asked to pray for christains but u were commanded to fight them. ..and have them pay the jizyah or convert. .is it on your quran yes or no...


U see the teachings of Christ differs so much from Mohammeds Islam. ..
For instance


This is what muhammed preach;
Quran 5:45: "And We prescribed for
them therein: The life for the life, and
the eye for the eye, and the nose for
the nose, and the ear for the ear, and
the tooth for the tooth, and for
wounds retaliation. But whoso
forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it
shall be expiation for him. Whoso
judgeth not by that which Allah hath
revealed such as wrong-doers. "

This verse go against the teaching of Jesus;

Mattew 5
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye
for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h]
39 But. I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If
anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love
your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on
the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



The New Testament, Matthew 5:44, But I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,
and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
The Qur'an, Qur'an 61, the Ranks, Ayah 4. Surely Allah loves those
who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact
wall
The Qur'an, Qur'an 2, The Cow, Al Baqarah Ayah 190. And fight in
the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed
the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
191. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from
whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than
slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until
they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them;
such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

For more differences visit

https://www.nairaland.com/2121867/jesus-mohammed-brief-look-25

Yommykixz:
u sound very knowledgeable and ready to learn...unlike the op which is clearly lost in his world of self destruction.

I am very knowledgeable about several topic. .one of which is islam. ... u should take some time and read my past topics on Islam. .. feel free to point out any errors i have made. ..u shall find none.

With regards to the op, i may disagree with his harsh language but i shall defend his right to free speech, freedom of expression and free will. ..the same way i will defend these rights of atheists who frequently bash my religion. .

GOD GAVE US FREE WILL FOR A REASON.

sorextee:
I offended u with my opinions, I wished I wrote the ones I kept inside.. I'm responsible for what I wrote, but I'm not responsible for what u understood.. i believe the Muslims will quote their Koranic verses, supporting the girl.. oya, which Bible verse supports getting pregnant in ur father's house, at d age of 15?? I'm a Christian too. But before u mock another person, based on religion, look at yours first.. my main point is, however it is happening in another side, it's happening here too(in another dimension).. both are wrong to me..

I said ur statement is offensive. .i didn't say u offended me even tho i find ur argument to be silly ..i understood clearly the rationale behind what u said. .

Ur statement is offensive to the people making the effort to discourage Muslims from sleeping with their teenage cousins and underaged wives . It is offensive to people who are making effort to see the end to child marriage. .

U comments only give people like yerima etc reasons to continue with their hideous practises. .