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omohayek:
So "maturity" in your book is making irrational demands, then ignoring the response you get even when people take the time to accede to your demands, simply because you don't understand what they've written?


Trash. I've already explained the difference between science and religion, but again all that effort seems to have been wasted on you.


More trash that only shows you don't understand how science works, and you haven't even bothered to process the explanation I gave you earlier in the thread.

I haven't even said anything about my own findings....but I must make sure you are capable of having your own mind first. You need to learn more mr.

You are a living, breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger principle if ever there was one. You can't comprehend any of the things I've written here, yet think yourself in a position to show that I'm "not as intelligent" as I think? It takes a certain level of intelligence to appreciate how absurd this is, a level which is clearly far, far above what you possess.

Another absurd statement from someone who knows nothing at all. How else is knowledge built up if not by learning from others? I'm certain you've never heard of the following statement:

"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

They were uttered by a certain obscure gentleman called Isaac Newton, but hey, what did he know?

As I said, by all means, go ahead and stick to the "wisdom" from your babalawos, Yemoja priestesses and mermaids; but while you're at it, why don't you stick to your principles by giving up scientist-created internet and mobile phone, and switch to using babalawo-provided "spiritual" tech for your communications on here?

Any quotes from your ancestors, non? Mr science

Don't act like you are explaining things to me, you ain't. You are simply coping and pasting other people's ideas to me. I asked what your own findings are ,you arecalling me names instead.

annunaki2:
Evidently you are not an atheist from this statement. You are either deist or agnostic.

If I told you what I am you will think I'm crazy

The only place one could get lost is if you do a quantum jump and don't know how to go back. It's not a bad thing but obviously a sudden change of reality could be misinterpreted as mental health problem. Many people suffer from it already.

omohayek:
I did give you my own words, but clearly you lack the courage to admit you didn't understand them. And yet again you spout nonsense about how stuff should be "easy", as if the universe owed you such a thing.

Stop wasting my time and stick to peddling your "mammy water" fables.

Why lose your temper over a little discusion? That's not maturity. You are annoyed I'm not accepting your theory, just like religion.

I never said mammy water exist, I'm saying why can't they ? But you rely so much on science without your personal evidence.... Just like religion.

I'm trying to let you know you are not as intelligent as you think. You base your knowledge on the theory of others.

annunaki2:
Are you still atheist?

In terms of a deity god, I am. Being non religious doesn't stop one from talking about Energy and its various forms.

Many people go through this and are scared to talk about it for fear of being called demons

omohayek:
What, are you too lazy to read the link I went to all that trouble to provide? Or is that you think my ability or inability to compress the whole article into a few words for your benefit will say anything meaningful about the truth of the article in question? You might as well say quantum mechanics isn't true unless I can explain it in 30 characters or less!

Sorry, my friend, but there are some things in life that can't really be boiled down to just a few words, and actually require time and effort to understand. The Wikipedia article I linked to is already a heavily summarized version of the full theory, and the only way to make it much shorter would be to use terms which I'm certain you wouldn't understand anyway:

"in the beginning all of the observable universe was compressed into a space 10^36 times smaller than it now is, but the end of the grand-unification epoch, at which point the strong force separated from the electroweak force, the inflaton scalar field began exponential expansion, magnifying the random quantum fluctuations which would give rise to the first galaxies in the stelliferous era. The evidence of this early inflation is still visible in the cosmic microwave background radiation, and the statistical distribution of the earliest visible galaxies matches the predictions of the inflationary theory."

There, did you find that enlightening, or are you now ready to sit down and patiently work through the full article I linked to earlier?

I said in your own words, I don't need something written by others. That should be easy. You trust the works of others, what about your own research ? How do you know science is right ? I'm curious

levisco16:
but you a nigerian?

Yes I am.

levisco16:
am going to do it, are you in nigeria?

No, UK

omohayek:
So you have to have seen something with your eyes to know it existed? What do you think archaeologists and evolutionary biologists study, if not things which existed before humans existed? The fact is that we know a tremendous amount of what sorts of creatures lived before humans arrived, and we are learning more all the time.


This only goes to show how little science you know. Current scientific theories can explain how physical reality came about on timescales your babalawos have never even dreamed about (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)), and further into the future than any babalawo could even dare to imagine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe).



Again, if you understood any science, you would know that it is actually the opposite of religion. Where religion insists you simply believe what people have told you despite a lack of evidence, science insists that you put every claim to the test, that you do these tests multiple times, and that the tests should be independently carried out by multiple people. Science never requires you to accept anything on trust.

It's clear that nothing will get in the way of your believing your "mammy water" fairy tales, so I'll just leave you to it.

In your own words, without posting links, how did the physical reality come to be ?

levisco16:
thanks friend that numb is what is called "sleep paralysis" but it happened to me alot sometime ago i think last year and this year but never knew that i was having some todo with astral projection, i will try it again but i feel numb this when trying it, that numb makes you vibrate somehow right? and as for that spring that drew you back it should be your SILVER CORD

I believe so. A lot of people experience it these days. It happens when the strands of DNA that supports it gets activated. Science is yet to know much about this. Some people get it activated via meditation, while some like your just happen. We are all spirits at the end of the day.

aloeman15:
shu...
I'm talking money management, na passion u dey yan?
who passion EP to save or invest wela?
of d 180 million Nigerians where u see passion wey rish our ballers own?
how many of dem get beta pay?
how much dey yekini hand wen e die?
all our politicians, as dem dey swag about, shey na passion for politics dem get ni?
bros, if u lyk troway my gist, eh?
dem no dey tel pesin say rain dey fall.
sha go wit God.

You made money the centre of attention. Money is not everything.

levisco16:
i did it this morning after reading this posts on nairaland, but stopped at the vibration stage because of fear, i believe i can do it at will.

i could see my room, and i woke up opening my eyes in the same position so i believe am doing it

PLEASE TELL YOURS

I was young and I remembered my grad dad was ill at the hospital. My mum forced me to go to bed because there were visitors in the living room. I tried to force myself to sleep then I felt my body going numb. I couldnt feel them anymore....it was a bit scary but then I noticed I was floating above the bed. I turned around and could see my body. I knew this wasn't a dream as I could hear my mum talking in the living room.

I was really curious about my grandad who was ill.....the next think I knew was I was with him in the hospital. He was in a general ward and I could see him sleeping. Next thing I was was me beside the ocean. I have always loved the ocean, and this time I was there. I saw my mum walk past me. I looked at her and was full of appreciation. I felt loved and greatful for the life experience I had. But I couldn't move beyond the ocean as there was something like a spring pulling me back. Before I knew I was back in my room, my mum was calling me.

After that I would go out at will and later it stopped. I dream a lot now and I usually control my dreams. It's made me understand life better.

I think you shouldn't be scared. You have a great gift. You should enjoy it, you cannot die doing it. It is the most blissful state you can be. Thst is what people do drugs to experience, or smoke weed to feel " high"

hahn:
You are not as lucky as me to be living in Nigeria? Let's trade places. Just remember to come with your generator of spare cash for bribing. NO talk am again o



Neither do I



Thinker's Lodge. The whatsapp group. Remember?

Yes I remember. Invite me

omohayek:
There's a difference between going to babalawo and Yemoja "school", and going to an actual school where real science is taught. Have you ever asked yourself why all the babalawos and Yemoja priestesses have never achieved even 1% of what the scientists and technologists who invented the very internet you're using have? Show me one single thing all of these babalawos and Yemoja priestesses have achieved that modern scientists will say "wow, that's impressive", like the cars, telephones, airplanes, air-conditioners, x-ray machines, antibiotics and other such fruits of science which even the witch doctors readily use.


In other words, you're admitting what I've been saying from the start - that you don't have a good scientific education.


You clearly don't understand what it means to say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What is extraordinary about rainbows that millions have seen, and which science has been able to explain for 400 years?


"I will not say that Bigfoot, the Yeti, Santa Claus, the Zeta Reticulans, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are not real, but it is possible for them to exist. No body knows." Your credulity is astonishing.

I don't want to discuss Bigfoot because I do not know. I will not say I know but I'm curious. But saying it is impossible for them to exist is also ignorance. I'm not talking about sant clause tho.....I think that was only a story for kids. Humans haven't been on this planet long enough to know what lived on it before.

Babalawos and co are in-tune with nature and do not need science in any shape of form because they deal with malleable form of Energy. Science deals mostly with what it can see, solidified Energy. It has no explanation for how physical reality came about.

You are a student of science and you can only be measured by its rules. That is your religion, it tells you what to think, I have no problem with that.

levisco16:
almost to start leaving the body leaving the body, but still afraid

Don't be scared, I will tell you my experience. Mine changed my life

asahnwaKC:
Wow....I love this

Of course you will lol

LoJ:
Do invite him please. Or at least, I would like to know hiim. I am not really interested on the issue of OBE's, but would love to learn other things from the guy.

You hve already spoken about him here in the past. Quite impressive.

He is a tattoo specialist, that's all he does. He will be shocked with the level of reason on here bug I will give it a try. He is not a fan of social media also.

hahn:
But by researching we have discovered there is lot of other things in the universe based on the evidence before us.What evidence do we have for mermaids after all this time?



We have a discussion about "gods of egypt on "thinker's lodge" and personally I am irritated by the fact that it was an all white cast. Then again, what could Nollywood have done to ensure it's an all black cast?



Keywords: could be, they do not know

They can be real doesn't make it real. That is all I am saying

Before we conclude I think we should take time to find out. I not as lucky as you are bro.... I'm not living in Nigeria....if I were I will be doing lots of research trust me. I'm visiting Peru later this year. I want to see the big omnet heads with black features. The planet is for us to explore and not wait for science to tell us what to believe.

I never said they are real....they could be. I don't Know yet.

What thread are you discussing the gods of Egypt on?

omohayek:
I can apply the same argument to all sorts of other hypothetical creatures. "What about Bigfoot/The Loch Ness Monster/The Abominable Snowman/Santa Claus? don't think anyone can since they do not know themselves. It is best to say we do not know, rather than conclude they do not exist. But Bigfoot/The Loch Ness Monster/The Abominable Snowman/Santa Claus stories have existed for many years..." This is an argument from ignorance, in support of credulity even in the face of the highly improbable.


On the contrary, education has everything to do with it. People who are well educated learn to demand extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims, and they are aware of what a bad idea it is to trust too much in anecdotal claims like the one you've just made. Simply believing far-fetched rumors you've read or heard somewhere, without checking for independent confirmation from credible sources, is the height of gullibility.

If someone tells me they saw a mermaid, the likelihood that the person is either lying or insane is a lot higher than the odds that the person is telling the truth, and the amount of evidence I will require to believe what they are saying will be correspondingly higher. Anyone who claims otherwise is simply not well-educated.

What sort of education have you got if I may ask? Psychology, astronomy, geometry, astrology, Antropology etc ...which one? You cannot read business in school and claim you are all round educated. Education is you aquiring knowledge on a specific field. You cannot be educated in everything unless you have lived for thousands of years straight. The babalawos are more educated in their various divinitions more than you...that's a fact! The priestess of Yemoja is more educated in her field than you. You cannot say she is uneducated because she did not go to university to study business. It is is ignorance to think so. Why don't you meet a Yemoja priestess and ask questions about the mermaid and let curiosity and your own thoughts decide. I don't believe man evolved from monkey because science said so.

If someone says he saw a mermaid, you would assume he is insane? That's wrong...... If I said I saw a rainbow without showing evidence,does that mean I'm insane?

I will not say I know 100% mermaids are not real, but it is possible for them to exist. No body knows.

At this point I don't see Biafra not happening.

I have a friend who does it at will, I'm not sure he will be willing to come on nairaland.

This thread is still current! Unfortunately I can't experience it as I used to, but I do have lots of dreams which is a lovely substitute. I enjoy reading about other people's experiences.

Meanwhile I saw this online. Never say never



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziOaxvj53r8

omohayek:
So, are these "mermaids" biological creatures, like human beings, gorillas, chimpanzees and the like? If so, clearly they must be vertebrates, but where exactly do they fit in the tree of life, and what could their evolutionary history have been like? Were they intermediate stages where they, for example, lurked in shallow pools of water, waiting for prey to walk by the water's edge?

This sort of nonsensical topic is evidence for my claim that most Africans, even "educated" ones, don't really understand the science they are taught in school, they just learn to memorize and regurgitate without thinking.

What if the education you had isn't that deep? Who will teach about mermaids? I don't think anyone can since they do not know themselves. It is best to say we do not know, rather than conclude they do not exist. But mermaid stories in Africa has being for thousands of years..... They was a recent claim of mermaid attack in Zimbabwe. There people were sure they were mermaids. Who knows, they may be right or wrong. Education has nothing to do with it.

hahn:
Still doesn't make them real whether it is the black man or white man that came to the conclusion

Same way Sango and Thor share similarities, lack of proof inclusive, only proofs that humans think a lot alike regardless of race and our imaginations work the same way. That is my pov. Of course it can be elaborated upon

Our imaginations are based on what we were programmed to think. We have been taught in school that we are alone in the Universe and there are 9 planets. Our imaginations will be limited that and below.The need for medicines to cure headaches, taking anti- depression tablets to cure depression,money to be happy and programming......Unfortunately that's us being stuck in the material world.

"Gods of Egypt" had an all Caucasian Cast, same as Thor etc. I know Egyptisns were no white,but world has accepted they were. Shango was obviously a Yoruba ancient character.....maybe exaggerated a bit,but who knows if he actually spit fire from his mouth.....we cannot tell.

Thor's story could be that of human hybrids who displayed advance technology, the type science cannot explain. Obviously they will call it a myth because they do not know. I am not a student of science,religion or anything. I observe and think a lot. I have no boundaries to my thoughts,that's why I say marmaids can be real . It is not wrong of you to say they ain't real either. We are both crazy in different ways

@hahn I can't give pictures obviously lol. I'm crazy I know to think they exist. Doesn't mean they can't exist.

Ancient African knew there were. Brazil, Cuba, ancient sea Priates, even Mr Christopher Columbos wrote about them. We cannot say there were crazy as we do not know. But it is dangerous to trust science 100%. Science has a long way to go....... Imagine when you take a picture,the camera catch what it can, but not all there is. Can marmaids exist? Yes they can if the environment supports them.


But to say they don't exist, simply because some white men havent stumbled on it is lame. We as Africans should do our own research tho. I visited Ogun state, Nigeria years back and I was told stuff about them. Osun Oshogbo is a place known about the story of marmaids...... Why should we not consider finding out more rather than judge from the White man's philosophy.

Talk of Yemeja, fish mother reverenced in our African tradition etc. These are no myth.......being an Atheist shouldnt stop your investigations. Investigate before conclusion.

The best advise will be to follow your passion, they will lead you to your purpose in life. No need for 10 commandments OP ....life doesn't work this way.

hahn:
Op is obviously being sarcastic

Nice concept

I thought as much...... I love being called Satan tho

fineboynl:
In 2012, the television channel Animal Planet aired a show claiming to show evidence that mermaids are real.


The program was filmed to appear to be a documentary, complete with interviews with "scientists" (paid actors) and phone-camera footage. With only the show's very brief disclaimer in the end credits noting it was a work of fiction, many viewers thought that proof of mermaids' existence had finally come to light.


A month after the program aired, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration posted a statement on its website denouncing the supposed existence of the half-human, half-fish beings . "No evidence of aquatic humanoids has ever been found," the post read.


In mythology, mermaids — or mermaidlike creatures — have existed for thousands of years.
The first myths of mermaids may have originated around 1000 B.C. — stories tell the tale of a Syrian goddess who jumped into a lake to turn into a fish, but her great beauty could not be changed and only her bottom half transformed.


Since then, many other mermaid stories have appeared in folklore from various cultures around the world. For instance, the African water spirit Mami Wata is mermaid in form, as is the water spirit Lasirn, who is popular in folklore in the Caribbean Islands.


Throughout history, various explorers have reported sightings of mermaids, the most famous of which was Christopher Columbus.
Columbus claimed to have spotted mermaids near Haiti in 1493, which he described as being "not as pretty as they are depicted, for somehow in the face they look like men," according to the American Museum of Natural History.


Captain John Smith is described in Edward Rowe Snow's "Incredible Mysteries and Legends of the Sea" (Dodd Mead, January 1967) as seeing a big-eyed, green-haired mermaid in 1614 off the coast of Newfoundland; apparently Smith felt "love" for her until he realized she was a fish from the waist down.


Experts believe Columbus, Smith and other mermaid-spotting explorers really caught glimpses of human-sized marine mammals called manatees and dugongs.
Indeed, despite past and recent "sightings" of the mythical sea creatures, mermaids, like the Lock Ness Monster, may just be a case of mistaken identity.

Mer-people do exist. They are different life forms just like us. As long as people don't worship them,nothing wrong knowing that. Our society isnt educated to accept they could exist, that's fine too. Morden science doesn't have the courage to admit the possibility Extratterstrials exist and won't dare talk about those in the inner planet. Man wants to think he is alone in the Universe...... That's how he hides his fears.

The Aquatic world is classified.

36 years of deceit. Time to turn it into a gym and library for students to study ancient Africa history.

No God judges anyone. When a person dies he returns back to being a spirit. The spirit is the highest level of Energy. Everything recycles all the time.....

What people call cheating is free will to be human, free will to lay your pipe where you want it without judgment from a third party. Polygamy/sexual freedom is the way on the path of Godliness. A man or woman should enjoy the passion of sex without being labelled a cheat. We need sexual enlightenment