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What is the point crying when it is obvious everyone there will kick the bucket at some point ?

solpat:
He needs to be flogged

Why?

ftechclass:
Imagine, for a moment, that you live in a different country and are the descendent of a rebellious tribe who resisted the rule of a dictator. Because your ancestors rebelled, you must pay for the crime even though you had nothing to do with it. This dictator tells you what you can eat and on which days you can eat it. How you can love and who you can love. He tells you that you must submit to him before every meal and every night before bed. He tells you that he is infallible, omnipotent, and omniscient. But, above all, he loves you and you should love him. If you disobey or do not submit to him, you will be tortured for the rest of your life. However, if you follow the rules you will be just fine. Now, what would you say if I told you that I don’t think you could act morally if you didn’t live in a society like this? This is how it sounds when a theist says that I cannot be moral if I don’t believe in their specific version of the “Dictator”. What an absurd statement. It is insulting to me and it should also be insulting to you. I sincerely hope that you are not being a villain just because your deity told you not to.

I hope that I have, at the least, given you an outside perspective of what the theistic world looks like to the irreligious. I would like to make an emotional appeal for God now, because I just cannot see a logical or ethical one.

That's a proper deception of the Christian idea of God there. Emotional attachment is the only shield of the Christian God today, thanks majorly to our great grand parent/ parents who were themselves victims of the missionaries.

The idea of a loving God was forced on them, and with innocent heart they took it, they had no choice. Our immediate parents today had no contact with the missionaries in a major way.This virus, this god idea they got from their parent got stronger with time like we can see today.

Let's look at it this way.... Something we directly inherit from our parents are most cherished by us. Especially when a child loses his parent,he/she tends to hold onto that belief emotionally to preserve the legacy of the parent. This legacy get passed on to the next generation kids with love and pride. Today we see on nairaland how proud the Chrustians and Muslims are of this dogma, this virus, these gods. It will be a huge betrayal to let go the beliefs of the family, a thing of shame etc

The best way to fight this virus is education and criticism. We must not relent. As they evangelise, we speak out , as they play their loud music, collecting offering, disturbing the peace of the society, we must not relent! It is time to be out there in their faces and speak with reason and love. We must help the younger generation who are already being indoctrinated.

It is sad that majority of the Nigerian politicians are religious. They kneel at every opportunity in front of these legal parasites. This gave room to pastors committing crimes and going unpunished. Imagine a pastor buying a private jet! That's insane! These guys don't even pay taxes. They are parasites sucking the bloods of their church members. Religion has got to the best example of mind control. It is shocking!

Probably an agreement between doctor and baby subconsciously.

OP the world has moved pass heaven and hell.

RosaConsidine:
To some extent, I would agree (though limiting it to Pentecostals is a bit unfair - even we Orthodox worshippers have our fair share of excesses). However, I think globalization and exposure is a strong driving force for atheism in Nigeria. I mean, we Nigerians got our major religions from a similar system (the foreigners came with their religion and enough of us followed to relegate our erstwhile major traditional religions to insignificance. Now though, with the internet, the "gospel" of atheism is reaching us though this time the "missionaries" don't have to brave an ocean crossing to convince people here to be atheist.

I think what I find interesting about atheism though and what makes it unlike religion is that you don't really need someone to "preach" it to you to become an atheist. All you just have to do is stop believing. I mean, imagine if one of our forefathers before the coming of the missionaries thought "abeg, abeg. All these gods and oracles don't exist. We offer sacrifice yet they don't do what we ask for. In fact, they don't exist". Boom, you have one of our earliest atheists (I think someone on the thread earlier said something similar).

So, my answer is yes, to some extent it is.

Globalisation didn't cause Atheism, globalisation made everyone with similar views come together. People who are Atheist are those clever enough to question religion. Atheism isn't really a movement, it is a measure of rise of intelligent humans.

CandidSeeker:
Moses gave God tough time from the beginning of his call:

…… Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt. And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?
And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
– Ex.3:10-15

And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee.
And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it..........
- Ex.4.1-8


Aaron was not supposed to be a part of the plan!
And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

And he said, O my LORD, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.

And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.

And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.

And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
-----Ex.4:10-16


He got use to old method.
-Just like most Christians today refused to operate in the new covenant (testament) by sticking to the old covenant (testament).

...And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.
Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel. …. Ex.17:5-6(Old Method)

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

- Num.20:7-12(He used the old method instead of the new method, not paying attention to the new instruction).


Before we decide on any action or ‘inaction’, we need to know what God is saying now.

What He’s saying to you may be different from what he said to your parents or your general overseer. How he want you to handle things now may be fiferent from what has always worked for you in the past.

It’s important for us to note the: What? Why? Who? When? Where? And How? of our individual calling (I will expatiate more on these in a new topic on ‘What God is saying now.’).

‘When a door closes, another one opens; but we often stay in front of the closed door crying, and thereby not able to see the new open door’.

God sometimes change the channels through which he meets our needs. We’ll miss it unless we abide!

It's necessary that we continue to study and meditate prayerfully, so as to be regulated from within.

-Peace.

Lol you are funny.....really?

Atheism had always been there.

Religion( especially Christianity) became soft with time. Gone are the days guys like me would have been beheaded or hanged by the pope/ priests.

The increase in the amount of learned people is a big factor. Education frees the mind and increases questions asked. I personally read the bible to know that god doesn't exist. I know the difference between methaphors and reality. I have been able to read other religious books and see that they are all talking about the same thing : ADVANCE QUANTUM PHYSICS ; which was simplyfied to the understand of a 4 year old.....in a form of religion. God creating the world in 7 days is a methapor , Jacob's ladder is a mathsphor, Jesus dying on the cross and rising on the 3rd day is a methaphor, Jonah staying 3 days in the belly of a fish is a methaphor. Only a 5 year old will believe such stories.....and maybe Chrustians and Muslims obviously

The fact that our laws are no more dominated by religion now encourages people to debate religion openly. Thus people who are more intelligent that others often turn against religion. There are lots of reasons why Atheism is on the rise. It isn't the flaws of the penticostals. Don't forget people cannot be slaves for ever.

5DMindset:
Truth

Our life is built around the concept of truth and we tend to avoid those who do not tell the truth. Truth stands true for each circumstance.
Facts are the bricks from which we attempt to discover Truth. But what if the Facts from which a certain Truth was established was inconclusive or wrong ? What if these erroneous facts, were established thousands of years before our ancestors were even born and they accepted the Truth because there was no discipline or, should I rather say, physical science at that age did not have the empirical parameters to re-verify the facts surrounding this Truth ?

If Science has established that certain facts around certain Truth was based on errors of introducing Constants into the Equations of nature just to build up a body of evidence to establish a Truth, which was designed to continually program the masses, to control them, to make them walk in line, while the 'Men Wey Sabi' enjoy while the rest just do not know other ways to live than the status quo?

What if one knows certain Truth, and in deciding to share, the program and matrix is so deep that the entire population of the world being programmed on erroneous concept they have been birthed to believe is true, will the entire world not think this singular individual or individuals (is/are) mad ? Ofcourse they will.

Before you make Dogma out of your Truth, understand that basis of your belief could have been built on erroneous facts.

OR

Should it be that Truth can Change ? YES. Truth can change over time. Because we live in a Time-Space Construct, so Time and Distance can alter the trust in Truth, the facts in Truth and the taste of Truth.

For example; If a wife told a Husband, the salient sentence "#I will love you for ever, for better and for worse, till Death Do us part". She meant it, it was The Truth. Then the family got VISA and moved to the USA, Distance and Time becomes new ingredients in the Consciousness of their Family. Yes, and she lands in the USA and finds new horizon, new life different from the one in Okokomaiko. The Husband now sees sexy angels dying for his attention and the wife sees the Money Team with Private Jet, dying to have her and truly in love. Then the Truth of the covenant of marriage, the so called 'Till Death Do us part' is evaluated based on the new paradigm introduced into the Consciousness of the marriage by Time and Space.

Truth Changes.

Religious Ladies and Gentlemen, please take note.

Do not Kill and fight for God or Satan, Do not Kill and fight for Allah and Devil, do not fight another man for the Extra-terrestrials who created you.

Let the Gods, fight their wars, let us be the spectators.

For once, let humans write new Holy Books based on Reality of Today's Quantum World.

Happy Weekend.

Very well said. Change is the only thing constant. Laws change, people change.... It is pointless holding people unto rigid laws. Even the modern law changes. Our Quantum world is such a beauty. Thinking about how we shift around multiple realities a almost million times seconds amazes me. The me of few seconds ago is completely different from the me of now.

The funny thing is billions of marriage vows done in the presence of the " holy" priest, vows that don't last up to months. " I will love you till my dying breath"....is a big lie. I promised my first girl friend( aged 14) that I would marry her , and we were really serious looking into each other's eyes, making love etc....... I changed after few week. Why? Because change is constant. It is a fact we must accept.

Probably not many wives, but freedom to sexually explore with consent. If the women agree to marry him,why not. If a woman desires to many more than one man and they all agree, why not?

Martinez19:
Atheist in the house, if there is a being that created everything that be, what do you think his attributes will be? Will he be intelligent, perfect, kind e.t.c? I await your answers.

Johnydon22, donffd, hopefulLandlord, catfishbilly, and other atheist in the house.

All our attribitbutes ( good and evil) are he attributes of creation. If there is that one bring as you said, we are all it. We all cannot be created nor destroyed. We are that being experiences itself in infinite forms. Your attributes are automatically its attributes.

LoJ:
Hello dear,

although I believe in the views expressed in that quote, the quote is a fake one, an hoax. Other versions of the same quote exist concerning india, china, and other countries. It's all fake.

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/10055/what-is-the-truth-behind-this-speech-by-lord-macaulay/10060

http://historydetox.com/the-macaulay-fraud/

Thanks bro.... You are rightl

mavrodi:
My quest for God has taken me far and wide, yet still i feel so empty, so "God empty"
Some one who has truly found God should tell me how to go about finding him!

Inside you lies the guy you are looking for. Anything out there, churches, pastors, bible are all illusion. The God/your true self has been with you and it's you all along.

Basically you are trying to find yourself.

The only way to find "God" is to be yourself, be comfortable in your own skin, know that you are unique and no one can be like you. Start doing things that you find easiest to do, exciting,gives you joy and you will find your true identity and purpose in life.

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MZLady39:
Brother,
You're gonna have to get to the point where yiu judge an indiviual...not an entire organization.
But yes, knowing "OF" God does not automatically grant one salvation. Gotta know Him. A total heart transformation MUST take place....which translates into sincere goid works towards one's fellow man.

Knowing God is looking into yourself to let the real you( God Mind)which is the true God dominate the Ego Mind. God is not "him" it's you. Atheist are the ones who try to make the world a better place. Christians are greedy because they think they are on "some" heavenly race. The true race lies inside of you.

It's true. If they say eating flesh and drinking blood is not a metaphor, they are Barbaric and dirty

Looks like you are one of the few lunatics not roaming the street OP. Your God should fight his battles,you have more important stuff like how to get money and pay your tithe and offering.

False gospel is the back bone keeping Christianity alive.

Let's await the wrath of god Christians often boast of.

If you weren't indoctrinated, if you didn't see your belief as the genuine way of life, if you truly knew the meaning of the word " God" , you wouldnt worry or fear symbols OP.

The symbols you are scared of have been around for thousands of years, including the cross your religion romances. Your fears are as a result of your ignorance.

The Eye of Horus is an ancient symbol of the feminine energy, royalty and good health....how is that a bad thing? You need to be educated OP. The bible itself has Pagan origin.

There is a verse dedicated to the eyes of Horus Matthew 6:22 “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.” I think your master Jesus dedicated that to The Eye of Horus,which is the divine light in you. You guys read without understanding. To understand the bible,you must have esoteric knowledge.

Let's see the story of Jacob which wasnt historically true but a story to explain esoteric knowledge. Jacob wrestled God right? Not literally as you Christians think. Can a man wrestle a God and prevail? The secret is the location of the wrestling match which took place in the eye of Horus......the region of your brain.


Basically,the Eye of Horus you are scared of is not just a symbol carved on a temple or pendant on a chain, it is a physical reality inside of you, YOUR MIND. My people perish because of lack of knowledge!


Please enough of all theses end time fears. The only end I see is of ignorance, false and manipulative teachers/pastor ( like Kumuyi ) who preach fear and end of the world. The world will never end, ignorant humans would.

Where is Kumuyi?

I like this thread. I was going to write something on Meditation and Parallel reality shift, but I think this is good enough. Maybe I might do a little in future. Great mindset OP.

bid4rich:
My dear, I can give you 100 if you don't mind.
where do you want me to start? Is it for peace, or for rest of mind, or for eternal life He brought, or for sound health, or for prosperity, or for instant answers to prayers? In every area you can think of... My dear, try Jesus and you will be glad you did. He can turn your life around as He did mine.

He loves you

Peace, Love, Joy ,Immortality are your birth-right and attritubes as a Spirit( Energy). No one can give you that. You haven't mentioned anything Jesus did for you that others don't have.

bid4rich:
If my myth has done so much for me than for you,I believe him and I will continue in Him.

Meanwhile, know this that you are the one that is being deceived, misguided and misinformed. I can say with all sense of humility, you cant match what Jesus has done for me now and forever. That myth is working like fire.

Show me what the devil has done for you and I will tell you what my Jesus has done for me with proofs.

Give 5 examples of what Jesus has done for you that is unique?

True

This child abuse

bid4rich:
I quite understand where you are coming from. Life is not logic neither is it philosophy. If you think you are made to exist by some chemical form from galaxies, have you ever ask yourself where your breath come from?

Generations have passed and generation will still comes if Jesus tarries bur one thing is sacrosanct, all will die. The question is where will they end? Where will you end when you die?

Jesus is the way. Repent and receive Him. He is willing to save you more than you think.

You have been misinformed. Jesus is a myth.

Rosskii:
Thank you very much.

This is why I laugh when i hear people say that Jesus gave his life for our sins.

Which life did he give?

The same one that he died, and then on the 3rd day, he rose up on his own and walked out of the place?

So what's the sacrifice?

It makes no sense.

Exactly

bid4rich:
A simple question will do.
1. Define God
2. Define god

then

i will tell you where you belong

God is a way of explaining Energy features to an uneducated person or a kid. God is the Energy that created us, works through us and is US. It is basically our Univers, Milky Way, Galaxies, dimension, mountains, you and I. The Energy is us.

I suppose a sacrifice for the sins of the whole world would be for eternity. A situation whereby Jesus is roasting in hell fire in place of humans. Or he is still nailed to the cross for eternity for all to see. Honestly what the Christians teach is no sacrifice at all. Only three days? Mandela spent 27 years in prison and the world did not worship him.

Yes the month of Aries, the rising of the Sun is here again. Hurray!

Sunrule3:
sorry brother, there is never a freedom anywhere it's either you are yoke with the master(Jesus) or you're yoke with the world (Satan). Mind you, you are a spirit being,ur spirit never die,if u die ur body will return to earth while ur spirit will go back to the source where you will be judge on how you live ur life. Then it's either eternal condemnation in hell or eternal rest in heaven .so if you think there is no life after death ,then you're the most miserable being existing.

Jesus is a symbol for many things.; White oppression of slaves, the Sun and the signs of zodiac or an esoteric symbol of self. Jesus and Satan, or you may say God and Satan are the negative and positive aspects of yourself. Ancient knowledge and Advance Quanton Physics were simplified to the ancient farmers in the form of religion.

What you are saying about Jesus is equivalent to how to describe good and evil in the cartoon form of Tom and Jerry. They aint real and as you grow up,your mind grows for you to will figure out Jesus is only a symbol of yourself being able to do good and evil. If you think Jesus,Gods, Demons are real, I'm afraid your reason is still like that of a 5 year old. Hell fire isn't real too. It is only a tool to reform people.

Religion today is a trap for people to stay in the lowest dimension. You think there is hell right? That's imature.