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Christians must follow all the Old Testament laws as long as they haven't been replaced by new ones. There is no place that's says Yahweh has allowed new laws or grace. Usually, according to the bible, "thus says the lord" is a confirmation that the bible sky god said it. So why change or ignore his commandments. Christians who claim grace are aware of the barbaric state of the laws


Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that jesus did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

Why do Christians use this verse all the time ; "Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh".
And not
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21"

The new testament was about the story of Jesus and cannot be passed as a religion. The true Christian religion if there ever was one is the Old Testament of the bible where Yahweh gave his laws. You must follow those laws no matter how barbaric they sound if you wanna be a Christian.

According to these verses in the bible, Jesus said; mattew 23:1-3

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

The above clearly stated, do what the laws said and not what the Pharisees did. How difficult is that to understand. There is no grace but laws to be followed by a true Christian. The Muslims are the true Christians apparently!

Buhari4dullard:
Yes it is

Ifa na man-made idol profitable for nothing.

And Jesus/ Yahweh isn't ?

A place to learn how to become a good slave. Does Kumuyi know there is no god? Obviously no! A guy who thinks its okay to rape a woman, "the holy spirit laid with Mary" which was without her consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gttC6P3bE

A video here for those who think animals don't do gay sex


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8

flamingREED:
Hahaha
Why are you angry na?


I mentioned this earlier:


What difference lies in stoning rejects then and in executing criminals today by firing squad?

Moreover, indiscipline in the old Hebrew kingdom of God wasn't just waywardness,
But it equated despising the God of their Fathers'

And James in the New testament puts it clearly as: 'whoever breaks a commandment, has broken all'

That's why the retributions then seemed grave,
But the transgressions had grave undertones'

Direct Rebellion against Jehovah'


This is God's Swordsman_

Bible god's swordman, I must admit debating with you is a total waste of time. You do whatever your slavery book says,you are not allowed to reason for yourself. If sexing a dog were endorsed in that book called the Bible,you will do it without question.

flamingREED:
Animals have no right_

They only can enjoy the right of privacy of their owners and the rights imputed to them by the society,

Which is in line with the dominion God gave humans over all things effectively_

Animals have no right because your sky god said so? Do you think stoning wayward kids to death is okay since your god said so?

KingEbukaNaija:
(A) . It is wrong to torture an animal for one's pleasure - its evil in fact .

what about eating them? would you sex them if your bible god said it was okay?

(B) It is wrong to have sex with an animal in fact because

1. It is an unnatural perversion .We are designed to have sex with our opposite human gender not of the animals , our fellow humans .

Anti nature means opposed or against nature. Anything nature support is pro-nature. The fact that you can exist on this planet is pro-nature. Dying,sleeping,sicknesses,men sexing men,women and men sexing animals,animals sexing men and women are all part of nature. Lions killing other animals to eat,humans killing animals to eat are all natural events. Volcanic eruption can happen and kill hundreds of humans,that's also part of nature.

2. Bestiality belittles man - reduces man to nothing but a vacuous beast who can't differentiate between right or wrong . Its not just lust but its pervasive .

That's what you think, doesn't make it wrong

(C) God commands us to have some animals for food .

Why some? Apparently the bible god ŵas a lover of roasted meat too. I guess raping Mary was really gross to her

Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Though there are exceptions

(D) God even started using animal skin first as garment which he made for Adam and Eve as seen in

Genesis 3:21
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Wow your god went as far as sowing human clothes! I supposed after eating his beloved fruit he would ignore that, what a silly story. You Christians keep using the Old Testament laws to defend your silly ideas and use the New Testament to hide under the "we are under grace" umbrella. Question is, are you an Old Testament Christian or not? If you are, would you stone wayward kids to death?

naijadeyhia:
Now here is another level. So Animals have rights too and you need to seek their consent yeah?...

Abeg share more on this I am still taking notes. How can one seek the animals consent?

That is exactly why it will be rape to sleep with one if they do not permit you. My point is sex with it isn't wrong,but forcing it is negative.

By the way,are you eying an animal or what? Why all these questions?

KingEbukaNaija:
You are not making any sense . Well , its your opinion



The point is , you can't say there is no good or evil and then accuse someone of being evil . It does not make any sense

There is no good or evil. Positive and Negative gives balance,both are needed. Metaphorically god and Satan are needed for balance,that's me using a religious terminology.

Whether you kiss,sex,eat, your goat who cares. Don't forget,animals have rights too. So before you eat,sex etc ask for their consent.

naijadeyhia:
So because to You God is silly thats why you say He is evil....yet Santa claus isnt silly or beastiality is not silly but perfectly normal for a man to be attracted to an animal which he shares no resemblance with and not to a woman with all her packaging?

Just Negodu!

There is no god. Simple as that.

Animal love is not wrong,your society made it wrong. It may appear gross,there may be human laws kicking against it, but nothing makes it wrong,just as eating them or using their skin for jackets and clothing isn't wrong.

So whether you eat it,sex it,wear it,it's up to you!

KingEbukaNaija:
I do eat meat . Not all meat though .

Nothing is wrong or right but you accuse God for being evil ? How does that make any sense ?

You eat meat which is worse than having sex with animals.

Your idea of god doesn't exist. If I did ever accuse the christian version of god,it is due to how silly it is.

naijadeyhia:
As a married MAN I am I only give to my Angel and wife.....satan even though he is behind me knows that my behind is a huge no no....sigh!

Atheism. .smh

Firstly you have no obligation to have sex with one woman. Well unless you are not an Alpha male who needs to pass strong genes to several women to produce stronger offspring who will have more chances of survival. Monogamy is based on selfishness.

Like I said your behind is still a virgin due to your belief.

KingEbukaNaija:
But we have sex with women and we dont eat them .

So you mean you'd have sex with an animal if there is not woman around ?

Having sex with an animal is gross to me,doesn't make it wrong. Nothing is wrong or right,just meaning we give things out of emotion,beliefs or lack of information.

Do you think it's okay to eat cow meat?

naijadeyhia:
Chai chai chai. How did we ever get to this? How how how?

Because it is gross to you doesn't make it wrong. You as a man can give and receive,I'm sure you know that.

naijadeyhia:
Taking notes here. Educate me more pls. Are you refering to the man being the giver or the receiver?

Sex goes both ways I suppose.

KingEbukaNaija:
ifenes , you are a different kind of atheist . I wonder if you assent to bestiality . Your reasons pls

Like I said,a man can have sexual pleasure with a dog,goat,pig or horse , and can eat meat? There’s no difference. If you eat cow meat you can't be worse off having sex with it.

KingEbukaNaija:
But we can't conclude just yet without views from other atheists

Please I need answers from Seun, Plaetton , Johnydon22 ilovetheline, JackBizzle, Kay17, AgentOfAllah, Ayomikun37 , hahn , sonOfLucifer , frank317 muskeeto , Decker , PastorAIO , ValentineMary , Pyrrho , braithwaite , dragonEmperor , theoneJabulani , lepasharon , cloudgoddess , ifenes , brigance , stephenmorris , thehomer , dalaman , Ranchhoddas , hoefullandlord , weah96 , CAPSLOCKED , lilbrown007 , Elohim1

What do you think pls ? Right or wrong ? Your reason ?

Please no one should derail the thread .

Thank you .

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Bestiality is not wrong if the animal give you their consent. But since they are incapable of giving consent,a sex act with them is obviously an act of rape. Thinking of animal rights here. The dominant species is always perceived as right anyway. To human's it is wrong because it makes no sense genetically.

And also,because something doesn't make sense doesn't mean it is wrong. We eat theses animals,having sex with them couldn't be worse.

MuttleyLaff:
Most wouldnt waste their bandwidth watching a poxy YouTube clip
Trust me, for most, it's a case of, la click, you're on a long thing

Now back on the matter
Dont be mischievous, the young first woman was snatched by the tiger
She survived BUT not without causing the death of the middle-aged second woman who ran out of the car after first younger woman
to rescue and save the first younger woman from the tiger's clutches
The middle-aged second woman was killed instantly after she followed the younger woman out of the car
as the Siberian tiger left the younger woman to instantly attack and kill the middle-aged second woman

The gruesome incident took place in the tiger enclosure at the Badaling Wildlife World, near the Great Wall of China

It was reported that the family - the middle-aged woman, the younger woman, a child and a man - were in the park, just over an hour north-west of Beijing, on Saturday.

The younger woman and the man are understood to have had an argument, at which point the younger woman stormed out of the car,

The younger woman is understood to have left the car - ignoring repeated warnings not to step out - after arguing with a man.

The 6,000 acre park, which allows people to either drive themselves or join a tour, TELLS PEOPLE NOT TO LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES AT ANY POINT

It's only a banter,relax! I have been to the Safari a few times and I know how deadly those animals could be. Some people will always break the Safari rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDZP08LZlKM

Lying is part of survival. Lie if you must regardless of what a 2000 year old book said

Crazyfinedude:
I did and he needed sounds and propoquinty to figure stuff out . He will surely be given books specially made for the blind or even audios for learning

But for a blindfolded person . How is it possible , words on books dont make sounds

It could be a trick or something studied before the interview or she tapped into more of senses unknown to humans with good sight. No one knows,and it certainly has nothing to do with a god or goddess.

Crazyfinedude:
Oooohhhm ! What's with these people and circumlocution . You didnt answer the question . How will a blindfolded person be able to READ ... and not playing pianos and becoming geniuses after hitting their heads anywhere - I didn't ask for that

Did you watch the video? If you can't understand what I explained and how unique circumstances can trigger the inner genius in a person,don't ask me again.

shadeyinka:
Sorry..there above are the dictionary shades of meanings of the word metaphysics. In context, we speak of meaning 3.

The Bible is NOT an astrological book. The Bible is mainly a Historical book. It details Gods dealing with man and mans reactions to God especially as it relates to the Jews so that the rest of us can learn.




A little Introduction:
I am a Christian
I love God
He owns me
I am a Physicist by training
I an an electronics enthusiast
I like philosophy.... Blah*10³

Do not add to what I wrote and make it seem like I wrote them them. If you want an honest debate I will engage you in one. You can quote me but don't add. Thanks.

The Bible is pure Astrology. If you don't know I can enlighten you.

The Bible had no god,I don't know where you got that from? Perhaps you want us to move away from the topic of the thread.

Apparently the only Gods here on this discussion is you and I.

No body owns you,you may be experiencing an illusion of being owned by a god. Unfortunately that is only a 5mins dream.

What ever you studied in school is not reflecting on what you are typing. If you are a christian it means your university degree should be questioned.

Lastly,

Crazyfinedude:
Mr man , how can someone read while being blindfolded ? Explain

Some people are born that way or something unique happened to them. Sometimes a head injury could unveil the genius within you.

Example;

Derek Amato had a bad fall at the swimming pool,he was rushed to the hospital and diagnosed with brain damage. He lost 35 percent hearing loss in one ear, headaches, memory loss. But the most dramatic consequence appeared just four days after his accident. Amato awoke after near-continuous sleep and headed,spotted a piano and started playing one of the most amazing tunes. This is a guy who had never played the piano before. Look him up!

Stephen Hawkings is a very popular example. He hit is head on a concrete floor and ended up becoming a genius


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mvRRwu5Gw

All these are no miracles as you might wish they were

Eboh4z:
oni the waka waka

Ibo man sha...no respect for your elders as usual

Crazyfinedude:
Mr man , how can someone read while being blindfolded ? Explain

The blind have special books just like they play musical instruments.

shadeyinka:
I wish you will first introduce yourself either as a Theist or an Atheist.

If I assume that you are an Atheist, then your argument of other senses does not hold water. Why? Because those other senses you talk about are metaphysical and cannot be explained by any scientific means.

Is it possible to believe in the metaphysical and still be an Atheist?

Lets just say I am very much beyond your kindergarten level. Atheism is the disbelief in a god which is one of my many features.I am also into Philosophy,Sexology,Astrology,Psychology etc. I cover all human aspect of being.

Metaphysics is an advance knowledge of how physical perception works. Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, identity, time, and space.

To me the bible is an Astrological book. Well I know you probably do not know that and that is why you are a christian.

Without one's eyes, you become more aware of other senses. How does a blind Steven Wonder play the piano so well? Did he need a god? He is more aware of sound vibrations. According to him he could hear the sound of a pin drop when surrounded by sound. We as humans are too dependant on the common 5 senses, hence we think without them we are useless.

The third eyes is a sense you can develope to be more refined and accurate than just being a hunch. It is natural, it is a combination of all your senses working together to form a more powerful unit.

Anas09:
You have no idea of what you just asseted here. Are you sure you read the Ops? Isis read from the Koran and do what they do. Did the Catholics read from the Bible to do what Christ told them to do? We just decide to lie even when we see clearly. Pls take sometime to check what Christians, I mean Bible believing and following Christians passed through both before and after the Catholic Church. What Islam is doing to Christians has been what Christians have been going through since. It started with Christ and will end with his return. Be sincere a little it won't hurt.
This your assertion will get you stoned amongst muslims. You just said Islam is a fraud.

Superpack is right,if you don't practise the laws of the bible you are a fake Christian.

loveroftruth:
Care to give evidence of such today?

Do you mean to say: A true Christian follower of Yahweh "will stone wayward kids"?

If the Above is what you meant to say, can you give evident of such a command in the Christian manual? (That will be in the New Testament, Since Christianity means follower of Christ, and followers of Christ started in the New testament of the Bible).

You meant the Old Testament of the bible is garbage ? Good to know!

Yahweh's laws are barbaric according to a Christian wow! I bet you are ashamed of those laws.i get you consider it unfair that your god, Yahweh sacrificed his son on the cross, the ultimate barbaric act a father could commit.

The so called fake pastors are the real men of Yahweh. They do exactly what Yahweh wants them to do.

Has anyone seen Yahweh? Yes! Read the bible and you will see. Jesus was a drunk do not forget and don't take the son of a carpenter serious. He was probably drunk while saying if you saw him you have seen a god.

KingEbukaNaija:
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Everyone has his forte and all to God's glory .

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