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aribisala0:
Guy you got ego problems. I have nothing to prove. You MUST Win but I am not even in the game.

First Statista is not Moses that climbed Mount Sinai and came down with Ten Commandments written on tablets of stone
They are A German Company owned by people like me .So if they say anything it is not God talking but a person or persons and I will question where they get their figures

Like I have already said assuming without conceding that the figures are correct it is not material to my point . It makes no difference so give your ego a rest.
The point is that what Russia has is enough to ensure that US and its allies do not interfere in Russia's business.
I edited my post which you quoted because it was not finished when I posted it ( for transparency and probity).

So stop focusing on irrelevancies and focus on the issue which is that Russia will do and is doing what it likes and the US will not interfere militarily. They have betrayed Ukraine. What is happening in Mariupok is a calamity and the US would normally have imposed a no fly zone. Why can't they do that ? Shameful betrayal and all their nuclear subs cannot help ?
This thread is about the implications of this "new" missile for NATO in Europe

You are actually the one with ego problems trying to desperately aggressively pass off mere speculations as fact in the face of actual fact I have provided from a world renowned statistics group with presence in 57 countries and counting .

Ogbeni abeg shift

aribisala0:
And why should I believe you and blog based statistics? WHERE did they get those figures from? WHO IS STATISTA and why is their opinion "FACT". You seem to NEED to be right. Like you want to win something
I do not care about being right

That is not the point .
The point is that Russia has enough nukes to deter the US from engaging it so let us not major in minors let us not focus on non issues .
Russia is the only country on earth that the US will back away from confronting
That is the reality we are seeing with our eyes
I do not need to be as big as you are to take you out or protect myself from you . Digest that. All i need to do is ensure that if you attack me you face destruction. Destruction is destruction whether you kill with a bullet or a grenade
Anything else is beer parlour talk. I have already addressed your "facts" as follows: "assuming without conceding" that you are correct it makes no difference to the fact that what Russia has is enough.

Ifyou like put Messi and Ronaldoa and neymar with Mbappe in your team. When it comes down to the crunch it is not about names.
Russia dey Kampe and the US cannot do anything militarily

So in the planet you live in Statista is a blog? Just fvcking kill me with this level of ignorance in one person

https://www.statista.com/aboutus/

aribisala0:
Facts what is the source of your facts? A Google search no doubt.

Leave all that nonsense and get back to the substance which is that whatever the number of submarines which none of us know because we have never seen them The US officially acknowledged that Russia has the capability to destroy it just like they do too
So there is nothing to discuss
the US will not confront Russia militarily

Yes mine are based on facts while yours are mere speculations.

https://www.statista.com/chart/25818/number-of-military-submarines-in-service/

aribisala0:
I do not know it I believe it unlike you who is busy asserting as if you assembled the submarines with them. I do not have numbers but it is in the public domain that their submarines have been spotted around Europe and the USA which is "the world" for the purpose of any conflict with NATO > When we talk or World war we are not talking of the Biafra war
I never used the word STATIONED. Submarines MOVE all the time and it is that movement that makes them present ALL over the world

The numbers do not matter the point is they have enough nuclear arms to deter any other nuclear power

You do not know it but you believe it unlike me who has been asserting....

So you are busy asserting your belief based on speculations

Just look at who is saying I am asserting when mine are facts and his are speculations.

To put your all over the world analogy in context , so a Russian sub would leave Brussels and move to Canada but someone would still be in Brussels? Kindly define what ALL OVER THE WORLD MEANS.

aribisala0:
Russia has not told anyone what they have or don't have . Assuming without conceding your figures
That they have 33 and US has 70 means they do not have them all over the world
They have them all over the world you may not agree changes nothing . The point is their submarines can deliver missiles anywhere on earth
That you are a whole Turkey and I ate a chicken means I am not well fed?

The Russians no not need 70 they have enough. They have better missiles and that means they cannot be overwhelmed. They can DEFEND THEMSELVES from ANYBODY They can destroy ANY country on earth

The US knows this and cannot confront them militarily

Yes they do not have many of the resources the US has but with what they have in THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD the US cannot push them around.

The main message of this missile launch is to tell the US that they can wipe out their forces and men stationed in Europe WITH missiles

Russia has not told anybody what they have but somehow you know they have their submarines stationed all over the world.clap for yourself and give your inside sources in the Kremlin a pay rise

aribisala0:
Russia has nuclear armed submarines all over the world

The missiles do not have to come from Russia. Using acoustic quieting makes them difficult to detect or track

When they fired missiles into Syria . NATO had no clue they were even there

The truth is if if the US was so confident of their missile defence systems they would be more militarily assertive.

At any rate the first strike is more likely to be at European targets , France, UK Germany and Poland for any warheads our of Russia

Which Russia has nuclear submarines all over the world? Is it the same Russia which has just 33 nuclear submarines when compared to USA which has over 70?

Russia does not have it's submarines all over the world. Do you know what territorial waters are?

USA does not need to be more assertive. Other countries are at stake and not USA alone. Why jump into a fight without considering your weakest link (country Ally)?

Malawian:
Which 30mins? Do you know that US and Russia share a boarder?

30mins. Google is your friend. Alaska is mainly empty space with a population of less than 800k. For Maximum damage Alaska wouldn't be the target plus radioactive fallout could also affect Russia

saphiere:
I'm tired of Nigeria. Price of things are extremely cost.
Education is on hold.
Nothing is working in this country.
I don't mind being a second wife to someone who would send me outside this country.
It's frustrating.

What are you bringing to the table?

Informanta:
Kindly have me introduce you to this nairalander who not only made a resounding first class at undergraduate level but also went on to graduate with a CGPA of 5.0 at M.Eng at the just concluded convocation of Nnamdi Azikiwe University Awka Anambra State


Congratulations Bro

Ladies will not say hello to him now but if it was one illiterate Yahoo boy they would be smiling like goats and shaking bumbum like a salted earthworm

Congrats bro. Keep the flag flying

Frigga13:
It’s my responsibility.. if it kills me or I go jail
.. Na me .

Killing another human for money is highest form of human stupidity and foolishness

Read what I wrote again but this time do it very slowly.

The drugs you carry who consumes it? The answer you get is also the answer regarding who it kills

Frigga13:
Will conveniently carry this drugs and face my responsibility or risk

Than be a Yoruba man .. cutting people head and body parts for MONEY!

God forbid!

Drugs also kill. You are also carrying those drugs for money and killing people alongside. No difference between you and the yorubas who behead for money

HBB1:
The Russian Avangard Missile system cannot be intercepted
It is too fast.

Maybe later in the future, but now, no!

That information is everywhere.

Follow the discussion and catch up

Walkee:
how do you launch ICBM just to intercept another ICBM? You have no idea how ridiculous you sound

No. In your world you use a stone shot from a catapult to intercept an ICBM or a hypersonic missile.

Makes me wonder whatever happened to Target mapping regardless of trajectory adjustments.

Walkee:
lol you are just throwing words you have no idea what they mean around. Do you even know what ICBM mean?

No i don't. Perhaps in your world it means I CAN BE MENTAL or INDIA CANCELS BATS MOVEMENT abi?

you are not that smart

Walkee:
lol you are most likely a kid then. Even the article you posted said they gave greenlight to research it and you are saying they have it. You are most likely one of those kids who believe everything you see on Hollywood movies

You are not that smart. How many of the core US weaponry have they ever revealed to the world?

If they are just saying they are experimenting now common sense should tell you they already have it but in their usual smoke screen manner would use a decoy statement like what you are latching onto to deceive your kind

BuddhaPalm:
These interceptors always sound sweet in theory, but always fail when put to the test.

From the article you linked, note that up to December last year, they only had designs. And were just given the go-ahead to produce prototypes only 3 months ago.

Any country like USA who tells you that they are experimenting simply means they already have it in use. US never reveals their full strength to the world which is why Russia and China pay spies heavily for any updated information about the US military might.

Walkee:
Jesus Christ why are you this dull. Read what you posted, they are planing, they're researching, they don't have it.

They have it.

InoGetJoy:
lolz...funny you. The article you quoted says the system just got a go-ahead to create a prototype, which means the system is still in the design stage. It takes years to go from design to prototype to testing to production, and the crazy thing is that as you're evolving, your enemy is evolving too.
It's one thing to track a missile. Even conventional radar systems might be able to track a hypersonic missile. Stopping it is an entirely different ball game

Current radar systems can only detect it at take off but once it hits beyond the Earth's atmosphere they go blind. This is why the US now shifted to tracking from space.

System has already been tested and is a certified answer to the much acclaimed hypersonic missile

Teaser4:
this is why I curse most ppl on nairaland, you fit express yourself without throwing “shots”, abeg no pass aggression reach my side cos I’m not responsible for whatever is going on with you. This USA wey you dey read about on google, wey you Dey view on cnn I don visit twice for vacation, I don comot shithole for several years now, not coming to visit anytime soon… if you express your view politely shey something go do you ni… I was simply polite wen I replied you, even called you bro,albeit, in real life you go be age mates with my last born(sibling)… I won’t insult you back, I just wan clear you… Now stay off my mention pls… it’s a beautiful Sunday afternoon here… Safe

Ogbeni shut up abeg. Do you think you are talking with a guy marooned in Nigeria? As a US certified broker dealer I am if I list out the countries I have gone to you will just bury your head in the sand

Walkee:
did you even read what you posted? Current ICBM carry at least 10 warheads with multiple decoys. If read and comprehend what you copied and pasted here you'd see that they even admitted that they can't defend against a conventional ICBM not to of one with multiple decoys that would be used in an all out attack

Read and stop being proudly ignorant

Teaser4:
do you wonder why dem Dey fear Putin’S threat of nuke, if they already have the defense mechanisms, I only choose to ignore you with my last reply… pls stop quoting me bro… have a great day

The US is not afraid of Russia and their nuke threat. Why would they when they have their own Nukes? They are more focused on averting a bigger spill out to the rest of the world. It's not particularly about the US but about the other allies who would get involved. If you ever felt the US was afraid of Russia then your weed source is legit

InoGetJoy:
The RUssian hypersonic missile has an extremely high vertical ceiling, far higher than interceptors currently fielded. It's also capable of changing its inflight trajectory, so it can dodge any interceptor missile.
Also, you're talking about an ICBM. ICBMs don't operate on the same principle as cruise missiles. An ICBM isn't even designed to explode on impact with the target, if they can get within 50km height of a city, it'll do enough devastation

Educate yourself bro. US has it all figured out already

InoGetJoy:
Dude, the US is still trying to develop hypersonic missiles. There's a reason countries hold military expos, they do it to show other countries what they're capable of. US spent trillions of dollars on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Russia used that opportunity to overtake them.
CUrrently, the best missile defence systems in the world is from Russia, and the best missiles is from Russia too.
Do your research from independent military contractors

The US does not even want to bother about hypersonic missiles when they have already gone a step ahead to get an interceptor system in place for them.

Of what use would a hypersonic missile be if its purpose of flying invisible is defeated? It would just become another ICBM regardless of the name

Teaser4:
i don hear you

Technology for that is already available to the US

Teaser4:
bro no defense mechanism fit stop Nuclear weapon, if dem send am e go reach it’s destination and wreck havoc….

Wrong! They can be intercepted. The only thing is that the Uranium core would still cause radiation leak even after it falls to the ground after interception.

BuddhaPalm:
Oga, just google hypersonic missiles vs ICBM.

Oga the US already has an answer to your glorified Hypersonic missiles.

They would track them from space and hand off coordinates to ground forces who would easily intercept them using ICBMs

The technology has already been deployed. Do you think the US are dumb?

InoGetJoy:
Russia is the world leader in rocket tech. Did you read the article at all? US is still budgeting for hypersonic research while Russia has already started fielding hypersonic missiles in combat.
Just 1 $200,000 missile will be enough to sink an aircraft carrier worth billions of dollars. Russia knows the future of warfare isn't in large aircraft carriers like the US uses to project power and that's why the Russians focus on missiles

You are still a learner if you actually believe that the USA is still budgeting for Hypersonic missiles. Indeed you are a learner. USA that have mastered the art of cloak and dagger

InoGetJoy:
lolz. una think say it's so easy to intercept a missile in flight. Forget all you see in holywood movies, it's much more difficult in real life. Besides, the Russian hypersonic missile is maneuverable in-flight, they don't follow a particular trajectory. Tell me how you're going to stop something flying faster than you can blink, and can dodge you

There are basically 3 stages to an ICBM velocity. It is vulnerable from stage 1 to 2 which is when it basically shoots off outside the Earth's atmosphere before now locking on to it's target for stage 3.

Between stage 1 and 2 it can be shot down and the below demonstrates that.

The American Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System (GMD), formerly known as National Missile Defense (NMD), was first tested in 1997 and had its first successful intercept test in 1999. Instead of using an explosive charge, it launches a hit-to-kill kinetic projectile to intercept an ICBM.

The current GMD system is intended to shield the United States mainland against a limited nuclear attack by a rogue state such as North Korea. GMD does not have the ability to protect against an all-out nuclear attack from Russia, as there are 44 ground-based interceptors deployed in 2019 against any crossing projectiles headed toward the homeland.

(This interceptor count does not include the THAAD, or Aegis, or Patriot defenses against directly incoming projectiles.)
The Aegis ballistic missile defense-equipped SM-3 Block II-A missile demonstrated it can shoot down an ICBM target on 16 Nov 2020.

In November 2020, the US launched a surrogate ICBM from Kwajalein Atoll toward Hawaii in the general direction of the continental US, which triggered a satellite warning to a Colorado Air Force base. In response, USS John Finn launched a missile which destroyed the surrogate ICBM, while still outside the atmosphere.

There is a reason why USA tries to always be close to the borders of the countries they view as threats and that is to make for an easy ICBM interception while it is still outside the atmosphere. They have the tools and they are very effective

Walkee:
where are you intercepting it from? Go and research ICBM and educate yourself. You can't intercept and object multiple times faster than the speed of sound with many decoys and warheads hidden inside it that will split up. It does not go anywhere near the sea, it leaves the earth, go into space and come charging at your at an insane speed

You are the one who needs to educate yourself. Educate yourself with the below. The United States is always a step ahead.

The American Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System (GMD), formerly known as National Missile Defense (NMD), was first tested in 1997 and had its first successful intercept test in 1999. Instead of using an explosive charge, it launches a hit-to-kill kinetic projectile to intercept an ICBM.

The current GMD system is intended to shield the United States mainland against a limited nuclear attack by a rogue state such as North Korea. GMD does not have the ability to protect against an all-out nuclear attack from Russia, as there are 44 ground-based interceptors deployed in 2019 against any crossing projectiles headed toward the homeland.

(This interceptor count does not include the THAAD, or Aegis, or Patriot defenses against directly incoming projectiles.)
The Aegis ballistic missile defense-equipped SM-3 Block II-A missile demonstrated it can shoot down an ICBM target on 16 Nov 2020.

In November 2020, the US launched a surrogate ICBM from Kwajalein Atoll toward Hawaii in the general direction of the continental US, which triggered a satellite warning to a Colorado Air Force base. In response, USS John Finn launched a missile which destroyed the surrogate ICBM, while still outside the atmosphere.

There is a reason why USA tries to always be close to the borders of the countries they view as threats and that is to make for an easy ICBM interception while it is still outside the atmosphere. They have the tools and they are very effective

KingOfAmebo:
The Russians have fired a Missile the United States are still budgeting to research, The Russians are just testing their microphone on the kind of badass advanced weapons they have in stock...the other day it was a "misterious bomb" and now a hypersonic missile...

Little wonder, America the self acclaimed "World Police" cannot arrest Russia...The West are really scared of engaging Russia in a battle.

Funny enough that missile would take 30mins to get to USA from Russia if shot. More than enough time to be intercepted over the sea and Russia knows this

Sltp:
first, $50m is a lot of money to Americans even the wealthiest in america don't have it.

Secondly, $50m will execute x5 what it will execute in America in China. That's why the world depends on China. China depends on export, but their exports don't have alternative. Sanctioning them will hurt the sanctionee more than it hurt China.

And China will still have exports to all the developed world as nobody can stop that except they want to destroy the world. Just think

You are talking offpoint. In the business world $50m for a capital partner or funder is nothing. I am not talking about money meant for individuals but money in the hands of business entities.

The Chinese know that they need the USA like the air they breathe which is why once any US business announces an EB5 visa program tied to a business, the Chinese rush it because that is how they can have a footing in the US.

I know too much about this to have you trying to argue with me. I am an international business broker. Certified broker dealer so have business related talks all day everyday with people from all over the world