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Ekealterego:
Stop lying and bring evidence. If everyone was written as Igbos, how come all the samples of language evidence were separated by Clarke in 1800s
Slayerforever, see the language inside Bonny. Are these not Igbo language? 9pluto.

Interesting.
I'm trying to figure out what "Nematos" for mother in Beretchi (Ichi titled Igbo men aka Nri people) in Bonny means.
The closest I could imagine is that Nematos means "Nnemuo". "My mother o".

This work is really well detailed.
All dialects in SE is really represented in Bonny of those days, that's why you have many columns for Ibo there.
The Aro(Aru) and Nri (Bretchi) were however isolated and recorded differently
Lol! Both were probably seeing themselves as priestly people of higher standing than other Igbo clans.
But the language remained same.

Good work. The white race is truly a superior race .
Their attention to details is astonishing. I'm here in my office reading this and shaking my head. We truly have a long way to go as black people.
I also noticed the Igbonization of the now extinct Otam( a Cross River group related to the Ogbia, Abua, Odual, Obulom (Abuloma peopt) and the non Ijaw Indigenous people of Brass who are actually a proto Ibibiod group as well) happening right there. So sad for them.
Some of their words were already Igbo there, while some remained Cross River.
Their only legacy today I would like to think remain just the "Nwotam" festival that the Ndoki retained having probably assimilated them.
I guess the rest of Otam people in Akwaibom and Cross River State have also been assimilated by the Ibibios and Efiks.

Ekealterego:
Okoloma existed before any human dwelled in Bonny. Stop your fables. OKoloma is as old as Ndoki.
Another fable, Tales by the moonlight. Where is this written? We come with fact, you come with myths with no receipts.
See the difference.
Slayerforever, Eastlink (see your Alinsaw Egbema), Newage98, see your Ekpahia (Ekpeye), Bkayy, Igboid.
Let us make reference to a colonial map of Igboland.

You can see Ubani at the bottom

This is impressive.
Ubani (Bonny) was clearly noted as an Igbo clan and territory in that map. Europeans are so meticulous that they even differentiated Idoma from Igede(Omenkalives should like this one).
As small as Igede is, the Europeans still noted the subtle difference between them and Idoma. That's how into details these people were.

Ekealterego:
Igboid, Slayerforever, remember my first theory on Okirika and Wakirike? As in Wa Krike? from the word, "Creek"? Wa creek, "child of the Creek".
This is an appendix from Baikie

Some thing else came to my mind looking at that pic.
There is a community in Ndoki known as Akirika.
Akirika had three parts. Akirika Uku, Akirika nta and Akirika Obu( which Akwaibom was dragging).

Okirika and Akirika sound alike and these places are not too far away from each other.

And yes, the "Wa-creek" hypothesis clicks well.

Jimasun:
I am not obliged to support you or be against you.
Go and fight your battles alone. If you have it , good, if otherwise not still my business

Then shut up and continue enjoying us in your dead country.
Your complaints about us is meaningless to us. We will remain in your faces.

Jimasun:
Shut up.
Lagos should be counted as part of SE then.
You people's hatred for SW is so open and clear

No Igbo hate SW.
On the contrary, we want you to have your SW for yourselves.
Just support Biafra secession and have Lagos for yourselves alone

Odingo1:
SW will be the first to run away if anyone call for resource control or restructuring. They drive joy in fake chest beating.

The thing tire me.

JANK23H:
Let's not get started with their meticulous record keeping.

Like I said,I've explained why the Igbo language is dominant in Bonny and Opobo.Those Kings never identified as Igbos,they couldn't have because they spoke Ibani.

Many non-igbo tribe were categorized as Igbos as they still are in modern Nigeria.It still doesn't make them Igbos.I've had to explain to Yorubas and Northerners on several occasions why I'm not Igbo and how Ijaws are a different tribe.

I could show you several records of Ijaws as the Aborigines of Bonny and Opobo,it still won't quell your thirst to have access to the sea.

Not true.
The Ijaws were well singled out in the documents shared here.
The Europeans noted that the Ijaws were not very hard-working and preferred to drink day and night.
It's all in that memoirs.
It's ridiculous to claim that the Europeans didn't know the difference between Ijaw and Igbo or Igbo and other minorities of the East, when the documents shared here clearly noted all existing ethnicities in SS today and non was misclassified as Igbo.

Iban/Ubani, were all words the Igbos of hinterland called Bonny and Opobo.
It was never an Ijaw language.

The idea of Ibani being an Ijaw language is a recent manipulation.

If you have any precolonial or pre civil war account of Bonny and Opobo that noted that the people were Ijaws, share it here. Other than Alagoa manipulation and distortions post civil war and other nonsense books based on Alagoa manipulation that followed, no such book exists.
If they do, ChinenyeN would have provided them since.

JANK23H:
I've done that in the past.There is no point going over it again since you and your ilks are bent on distorting fact and being online nuisance.

It's well know that there are distortions in European records of Africa and African tribes.So,that what end?

Bask in your folly.The reality is different from your postulations, arguments and your "fact".

Lol!
There was no such thing.
The Europeans are not your everyday Africans.
They were meticulous.
You don't know what you are talking about.
They were so meticulous that now extinct minority group like "Otam" were noted and recorded.

The reality is that Europeans met Bonny people as Igbo speakers, whose kings Halliday and Pepple told them they were Igbos.
And until today, Bonny and Opobo remain Igbo speaking.

Tell me your definition of reality again?

If these records from Early Europeans were not there, you would have claimed Opobo and Bonny became Igbo speaking through Eastern region coercion.

WorWorBoy:
That is not the definition of Wakirike.

Lol!
What is the meaning?

WorWorBoy:
Do you even know the meaning of Wakirike? The name Wakirike alone debunk whatever bullsh*t that author put up there. Well,good luck in annexing my people into something we are not.

Nwa-Creek( Creek child)= Wakirike.

Thanks.

9Pluto:
Nice start and thanks for the reference. It is interesting that all the records I have seen has recent references. I will like to read Alagoa's record and more especially find out when the term was first used to describe a group of people.

I saw a online account mentioning ijaw languages and I am confused how an ethnic group has several languages rather than dialects.

I will be ready to do a thread when once I have gathered enough data.

At the bold. That is because Ijaw is not an ethnic group, but rather a political franchise.
It is a modern day fraud that is sustained by crude oil politics and post civil war politics.

The best word for current Ijaw is "Political Franchise".
Ekpeye youths wanted to join when they saw the benefits of oil pipeline protection contract Engenni (Edoid speaking group in Ahoada West) were enjoying once they joined the Ijaw franchise. It took the anger of their (Ekpeye) traditional leaders to stop them.

If not, Ekpeye though an Igboid speaking group would also be part of the Ijaw franchise.

JANK23H:
History fraught with fallacies.No point engaging dunderheads.

I'm glad a lot of my Ijaw brothers have ignored deliberately.Like one of them said,Ijaw man no dey talk plenty.Enjoy your folly online.

I only pray that these bravado online will motivate some of you to act and invade Bonny and Opobo.No time for plenty talk.

Until you grow some balls and act,na siddon look we dey.

In summary, you have no historical fact to counter the historical facts being laid down here, right?

You can't win the intellectual debate, so you are spoiling for physical fight! Don't worry ,that fight will come, not just yet. Because as you can see, the Igbo nationalist movement has not taken flight and most Igbos are not enlightened enough about these issues yet.
Worst still, we have not evolved any competency in Political leadership in SE capable of undergoing this task, neither do we have a formidable well financed Igbo Nationalist group to finance and power it.

But everything is in the works.
Just get ready. We will give you what you need.

Ekealterego:
Please, edit my original post that you quoted. Please, edit my quote.

There is actually no need inviting anyone. You are very correct.

I already did that.

Pete is degrading his prestige associating himself with someone like Ikpeazu.

Ekealterego:
What is "fabricated"? Written history from 1699? History from ethnographical works and memoirs 1699 and 1820-40s then 1860s then 1888 and another set of accounts 1906?

Please, I know Nigerian education is terrible but please please please, don't disgrace yourself willfully in the open.

We didn't write that history, those accounts were written way before our great grand fathers were born from neutral accounts.

I will try to invite one or two people from the Bonny Igbo family here soon.

I don't think it's time to get the proud Igbo families in Bonny and Opobo involved yet.
Those lots have risked alot to retain their presence there.
We can't get them involved until we have gotten our house in order.

Because if the Ijaw calls on their Hausa Fulanis facilitators now, we will leave those lots exposed like happened to people of Oyigbo.

I have always maintained that the real challenge to achieving Igbo nation is to first and foremost take Political control of SE.
We have governors who have no interest in these things, who are not even aware of it, whose interest is all about looting as much as possible before their tenure expires. We have a toothless Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, who are only interested in sharing of Ghana must go bags during elections.
These are things we must rectify before we go and expose these people to unnecessary danger.
You saw how Umahi went to PH to laugh with With Wike after he massacred Obiigbo people and nothing happened.
I'd say you should not invite any Proudly Igbo Bonny/Opobo family here, NL is not as annonymous as some of us think.

gold360:
As an ijaw man from bonny, what I will say to the writer of this fabricated write up is simple. If you say bonny and opobo belongs to the igbos no problem. DM me let's meet up at Creek road water side jetty in port Harcourt. I will personally pay your boat transport fare to bonny and opobo,so you can go there and tell these ijaw people the nonsense you've posted here. If you come out alive from the beating you will receive from their hands for insulting their ijaw origin. I will leave nairaland !
#RUBBISH

The Bonny people maintain their Igbo mother tongue while Ijaw migrants like you keep pressing them to drop it to no avail.
Do you think they don't know what they are doing?
They join you and scream Asawana, Egberi Faaa, etc. But yet clutch tightly unto their Igbo language?

E go shock you. Wait until this Igbo nationalism movement we are building gathers full steam.

BKayy:
bomb24, this person I just quoted is still the same person you are talking about.

Paramakina202 is one of their handles.

His shenanigans is too childish and too easy to decipher.
Of course you are right.

They started late in Ndoki, at a time Igbo nationalism had awakened and we fought them to a standstill. These lots recruited some hungry Ndoki youths and even sponsored one who use to run a page they called "Ndoki Mma mma nu" to slowly poison the minds of Ndoki people especially those in Oyigbo LGA against Ndiigbo, our saving grace was that Ukwa East was still in Abia, so we rallied our people there to push back few Ndoki people especially those from Obiigbo that they had corrupted.

We had to work specially hard to bring evidence that the Ndoki nmmanu guy was working for Ijaw people in the main Ndoki page to get him evicted from the page and restore order there.

The Ijaws must be regretting the mistake of letting Ukwa East stay in Abia, because if they had asked their Hausa-Fulani partners that wish in 1970, it would have been granted and they would have succeeded in atleast Making Ndoki distance themselves from the Igbo( by claiming to be independent ethnicity) enough for us to have no claim on Bonny and Opobo.
Because the missing piece in Bonny and Opobo history is Ndoki, and they are our loophole (trump card) back to reclaiming Opobo and Bonny, and Ijaws recognized that very late and at a time when Ndiigbo had already recovered.

BKayy:
Only Ijaw people quite Alagoa and with all due respect madam/sir you have proven beyond both reasonable and unreasonable doubt that you are Ijaw.

Quit the games and come clean as an Ijaw.

BTW, Alagoa and Fombo's work was in 1972 not 1960's like you claimed. Look at your references, none was before the war.
Before the war, nobody from Bonny and Opobo identified as anything other than Igbo. After the war identity crises caused by revision from Minorities is what I call "scramble for Igboland by Minorities"

This is why I hated talks of BIAFRA with minorities as proposed by IPOB.
I was totally against it, which pitched me against my IPOB brothers here.

These minorities aided by Hausa-Fulani and Yoruba, scrambled for and grabbed our coastal lands, in places they couldn't grab, they introduced and continue to introduce strong Igbophobia among the populace to atleast make sure the Indigenous become anti Igbo, they started late in Ndoki, at a time Igbo nationalism had awakened and we fought them to a standstill.
And going by their lack of remorse up till today, you can see that they hope to keep these lands forever and have no plans of returning them back without violence or use of force on our own part.

It's only common sense that we have a score to settle with these lots once we manage to keep Hausa-Fulani and Yorubas who backed and Continue to back them away, and they know it too, which is why despite the rape they suffer under Hausa-Fulani and Yoruba ruled NIGERIA, they will never lash out to them or even attempt secession.

Our work is cut out. Anyone or group talking about a country between us and Ijaws, only exposes their lack of understanding of issues at play here, and cannot get my support.

bomb24:
lol balderdash. u keep exposing yourself as the day goes by. i keep noting your high adrenaline rush anytime the ijaw revisionist are being crushed by the Igbos on here.

U have false claim of being Igbo (ngwa clan) but i have gone through your posts u're so Igbophobic and at the same time ijaw-centric. u get easily riled up anytime the ijaws are subdued in intellectual discourse such as this.

you always hide your deception about being rational but in the through sense you are not.

Igboid
Bkayy
mancoconut.
slayforever
thegodfather
eastlink
ekeaterego.
thicksharon.

And to the rest of my Igbo peeps here plz take note of this moniker he is not Igbo u can go through his post and topics. he is notorious for countering anytin Igbo on this forum and at the same pace claiming Igbo.

His agenda has always been on the balkanization of Igbo land into sub tribes and he hates anytin that has to do with Igbo unity in general and has stood against it since the inception of nairaland.

i must really recommend Pazienza the igboid himself and the rest of the Igbo warriors in here for turning the bit*ch into a shadow he is.. fucking ijaw sewge rat..

I have known this Moniker since I joined this forum.
And mind you, I joined this forum officially around 2007.
Between 2011 to 2012 I had serious clashes with "her", the person behind that Moniker is a woman.
I noted she was not Igbo very long time ago.
I have a very high Igbophobic radar, it easily picks up a non Igbo vibe no matter how subtle or how clever the person wants to disguise.

She has been on this matter long ago.
In the past she tried to create identity crisis issue online for Ngwa people here and it took the effort of real Ngwa people here to silence her.
She is an old timer here and have been playing this game for a long time.
But I always had her in my radar.

Ekealterego:
What brought Ijohs there... Same accounts showed that Ijohs were brought as slaves there, including the Cross-River people like the "Otams".
The reason why Igbos were numerous was because they were the majority in terms of population from that area. They outnumbered every other group numerically by almost 10 to 1.

Again, the Aros, and Abams (who are Igbos) were prolific slave merchants.

However, most of the books that talked about the first settlers traced it to Igbos.

Good reply.

Ekealterego:
There is a theory I have, but just from historical observation, how their name changed over time. I mean the Wakirike people.

Barbot recorded the name as Creke or something like that. (I will check the right spelling later) but it started with C, and one could pronunce it as "Creeke" or "Creek".
I feel Kirike is a corruption of the word "Creek" or a Portuguese or Latin base meaning of the word "Creek".

The dialectical word for "Nwa" in that area is "Wa". I think that's why they are called, "Wakirike". "Child of the Creeks".

I just hazard that guess, but a logical one from the records of how the names were recorded. Just like how parts of New Calabar became "Kalabari"

N.B. This is my personal observation.

It makes sense.
Wakirike and Wa-creek.
Good observation.
Considering how Pepple turned to Perekule and Eighty Bucks turned to Etibo, Wa-creek being the original word for Wakirike is not far fetched at all.

Ekealterego:
And you know what? I understand Ngwa 100%, in fact no Igbo man from any corner of Igbo land that will not understand Ngwa, but he willfully write unnecessary twists and self-generated spellings and alphabets to trick you into thinking otherwise.

Here is a very fast Ngwa speaker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnyKkman_KE

I lived in Abayi Aba for 4yrs.
Of course, I understand Ngwa very well.
Ngwa is not a difficult dialect for an Anambra man to understand.
When I came to this forum newly, I made it obvious to Obiagu1, Onlytruth,Andrew Uweh, Dede1, and some other Igbo guys around here then that the character ChinenyeN Igbo claim is in doubt.

My hypothesis is that she is a non Igbo woman married into Ngwa.
Yes, she is a woman, atleast she doesn't deny that one.

ChinenyeN:
I maala bya agu ta i maa? It's really not that hard, my friend.

Enyia write in standard Igbo.

ChinenyeN:
If you're patient enough to wait for me to paste screenshots, then you're patient enough to search up the digitized works by the author, dates and publication names I provided. It's not that hard. Feel free to demand as much as you want, but I won't go out of my way to provide more than what I believe I need to.

Madam. Ibu ogbu oge.
Ijiro Okwu.

ChinenyeN:
I have already provided that. Unless you want to proclaim now that you do not know how the academia works. Enyi, just feel free to go and peer-review the already peer-reviewed works of these authors and see what their bibliographies list. It's not that hard.

You have provided nothing.
I have no interest in Alagoa works as I am fully aware that they are nothing but historical distortions that was done post civil war.

I'm demanding a neutral colonial or even pre civil war documents supporting your claims here.
If you have non, you can as well go and sleep madam.

ChinenyeN:
You can't possibly think that these references do not also base their works on other, older references as well, both administrative sources, Native Court era documentation, documentary evidence from Portuguese and Spanish traders, etc. The references I gave are due to their nature in providing the chronology and summary of the events. If you seek specific details, feel free to read the bibliographies of these texts as any normal academic would do.

Madam leave Alagoa and his distortions alone and post precolonial or Colonial or even pre civil war neutral sources proving your points here.

You can screen shot the pages of the book and post here.
We are waiting.

ChinenyeN:
Then I implore you to indulge yourself in reading the bibliographies of these text to find the references you are looking for.

The Onus is on you to provide it here for us.
You are the one making the claim.
The burden of proof rests squarely on you.

SlayerForever:
No be only Perekule na periwinkle

The Perekule thing is ridiculous.
They corrupted King Pepple to Perekule.
These people are good at historical distortions.

I learnt the other day that the top flowing gown we have come to associate Ijaw and other Niger Delta groups with that GEJ wore alot was actually originally called "Eighty Bucks", because that was how much it cost to acquire them those days from the whites.
The illiterate Ijaws Ijawnized the "Eighty Bucks" to "Etibo".
And now they claim "Etibo" to be Ijaw dress.

Ekealterego:
These are very recent publications.

Where are the historical references?

What does the phrase mean?

Who established this link ethnographically first?

All our reference here came from 1800s or before 1906 at best.
Algoa's reference from 1970 just at the end of the war is laughable for obvious reasons that we know.
Yeah, you have other references from 2011... Do you have older references? before 1910 at least.

You stopped him right in his tracks.

We are talking about pre civil war and pre colonial history.
The woman is bringing out historical Fabrications and nonsense edited by Alagoa.
You can imagine the temerity.

ChinenyeN, if you have any decent neutral publication, preferably written before 1914 that shows the existence of Amayanabo in Kalabari area prior to Bonny, post it here now.
The ball is in your court.

Resurrection212:
Look if you dont want to be unfortunate just keep quiet dont say what you don't know. I'm a prince from mbaise get out from here.

Which yeye prince? You mean a son of a decendant of a warrant chief who now calls himself Eze/Igwe?

Ekealterego:
1. Your first assertion is correct, Ottams were different. However, Clarke acknowledged the differences in 3 of the "districts". The ones close to the Annangs , Ibibio and the ones close to the Efiks and then the Igbo regions and the languages collected from these different places differs. The one closer to the Igbos have some Igbo elements already.

2. No, memoir was explored in that area within the 1700s after Barbot in 1699 and 1705. Except secondary reports from others like Captain Williams but writing from Guinea in 1730-1734.

Maybe some publications in Sierra Leone which was also vague.

The very first exploration after Barbot "onsite" ethnography was in 1823. 120 years later!! This was by Captain Adams in 1823!!

Nobody really started recording Igbos separately as sub-groups until much later. Even the "Bretches" who were considered somewhat "different" because they were notorious for planning uprising and taking over slave ships, were just titled Ichi men.

The studies of specific Igbo sub groups and the differentiations only started around 1830-1840s!!! So, I don't understand where you are getting your theories from.

The very first study of Igbos in Igboland or observation of Igbo within their native area or near their native area was Barbot in 1699. He recorded them as "Hickbaus" or "Heebaus". So, tell me how you knew the subgroups?

Although in Sierra Leone, at first they introduce each other by the name of their towns but OTHERS called them Ibos. They didn't have any choice than to come together because others knew they were the same. The sense of that national cohesion became stronger. It was recorded that the Eboes often "banded together". You think others know the difference?

3. Ndoki is not recent. At least, the very very first book that described individual dialects and places within the "Igbo country" recorded Ngwa and Ndoki clearly... They were numerous and already an old cohesive people by that time. They are not as "recent" as you are making it out to be...

Otam were in three categories.

What I feel is that they changed their current name or currently split into sections.

Igboid.. there are still places with the place name, "Otam" in Abia state. In "Otampa" in Isuikwuato, Otamiri, Otama-a. The most likely explanation is that their names changed or absorbed by other groups or split into smaller groups.

Good submission.
I think they got assimilated by other groups. That's the most logical explanation.