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Alabo7978:
Ogbia ibibio,
Chai God.
Ogbia people that greet with do' or Lua.
We the Nembeians greet with nua.
We say Ayiba'nua
The ogbias say Aziba'lua
Both meaning thank you God, and you stupidly call it ibibio?
My aunty wedded an ibibio man and when we speak he doesn't hear a pin, same with us.
Why are you being stupid?

Discard baikie's work and stop fooling yourself with outdated wrong information.
When writing a project work, do you consult old outdated and wrong materials which were deemed right back then?
If I fit see you ehn, I for open your head.

Alua, Nua, Aluani, etc are greatings common in Southern Nigeria ethnicities.
You Sierra Leone Ijaws learnt it from Indigenous groups.
Ika and Nsukka people also say Alua!
I told you that Edoid(Engenni, Isoko, Epie-Attisa Udekeme, Urhobo) , Igboid( Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ndoki, Ubani(Bonny and OPOBO)) and Ibibiod( Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual,Ibeno) are the original owners of the Niger Delta and these three had interchanged lots of words in the past before the alien Ijaws arrived the scene.


Ogbia is an Ibibiod language.
Linguists had long studied the language and catalogued it as a Cross-River language.

No Ijaw man dead or alive understands Ogbia language.

See classification of Ogbia language here.

Alabo7978:
no real Bonny abi?
Ok, let me continue to laugh you from my corner.
Keep fooling yourself.

The joke is on you.
They join your IYC and INC, join you to scream Asawana Egberi Faaa, Haa and other Ogogoro induced chants you are known for.

Yet they have refused to learn your language and have continued to speak theirs(Igbo language).

BKayy:
Looking at it, anybody can tell it is an attempt to colonise them.
Nobody can tell you that you are related and still insist that you throw away all that you know for his when you are supposed to be related.

It is even now that Bonny people are beginning to hold onto their language dearly.

If they succumb, like the way Reno Omokri described Ukwuani and Ika people after their Bini deception, Ijaw will claim in decades to come that they conquered annexed, and wiped the identity or acculturated the Igbo port town of Bonny.

I doubt Bonny will fall.
If they would, it would have happened during the 1970s when Ndiigbo were at our Nadir and the Ijaw could have any part of Igboland they wanted by mainly asking their Hausa-Fulani partners for it.

The Bonny and Opobo have already weathered that storm.
Things can only get better from now henceforth.

But Multiethnic BIAFRA with Ijaws must be murdered brutally and buried, and in it's place, Igbo nationalism must be grown , nutured and allowed to become strong enough to reconnect back to Bonny and Opobo by offering strong support against expected Ijaw aggression that the Hausa-Fulani would offer.
This can only be done when we take full control of SE politics and have men of great intellect, tact and vision leading all SE states.
Since Ohanaeze Ndiigbo have proved Useless, we can always form a stronger and better pressure group totally detached from cash and carry Nigerian Politics to spear head the cultural aspect of the rennainsance we desire.

Alabo7978:
Well, good of you to ask.
The bonnys migrated from kolokuma in search of their brethren who had left earlier.
This was the great dispersion by the children of ijo who were at the time finding new settlements when they became men.
Ask the Bonny man today where they come from, they will ALWAYS tell you kolokuma.
Now get out of here you fool.

No real Bonny Indigene will accept your Kolokuma nonsense.
Heck, even Kalabaris and Okirikas have rejected your Kolokuma nonsense, which was why the attempt to impose Kolokuma language as central Ijaw language failed woefully.
Bonny holds tightly to their Igbo language while waiting patiently for those of us in SE to wake up from slumber and put our house in order.

BKayy:
This is exactly what all of them are implying.

All of them, GreatBoss, Captain8, Alabo7978 and the rest.

They don't realize how denigrating and insulting the rubbish they are promoting is to real Bonny Indigenes who despite the Ijaw assault had clutched tightly unto their Igbo mother tongue.

Putindbutt:
This is the fact they are trying so hard to suppress.

Bonny Indigenes who speak their mother tongue in their Bonnyland are slaves, but your good for nothing selves who came from Sierra Leone to the Niger Delta, are the owners of Bonnyland?

Are you okay?

Alabo7978:
Mumu, after showing you that screenshot from a German doctor who stayed in Bonny for sometime?
And how the igbos who came where either brought from inlands or sold as slaves, you still say the igbos own Bonny.
I am not arguing with you again.

Your screen shot never said they were Ijaw.

Are you okay at all?

Bonny people said Igbos are "Wawa" therefore Bonny is Ijaw.

Onitsha said Igbos are dubious, therefore Onitsha are Ijaws.

Igbere people said that Igbos are wicked people that can never be allowed to sell them into slavery. Therefore Igbere people are Ijaws.

Ikwerres say that Igbos are greedy people that want their land and oil, therefore Ikwerres are Ijaws.


Are you not ashamed of yourself?

What is the link between Bonny natives saying that Igbos were Wawa with Bonny saying they were Ijaws?

Alabo7978:
You are asking for the Ijaw word?
Ode.
I'm trying to show you how igbos are not the owners of where you claim them to own.

You showed nothing.
Bonny people own Bonny.
The debate was about the true origin of the people called Bonny and not if Bonny belongs to Ndiigbo.
Thread established that the people called Bonny were of Igbo origin who had evolved a new identity called Bonny.
They were never Ijaw and they are still not Ijaw.
They were Igbos and still retained their Igbo language.
Through this language, we in SE can reach out to them and reintegrate them into the gathering of Umunna where they truly belong.

Alabo7978:
Ok, your fellow fool is writing igbere and igbo-ere.
But when I said how the English englisised all African towns, what did you call me?
I even used N'enu-ugwu as example nna'bu'ugo (nnabugo)
OKOLOMA (okolo-ama)

And on the ijo identification, the coastal tribe men will identify with their recent ancestor, but it is known within us that we are of the stalk of ijo.

Not true.
The true costal tribes of Niger Delta were not Ijaws.
They were proto Ibibiod people.
You see them in Ogbia, Abua, Odual, Abureni, Abuloma, Andoni.
They were the people Jaja met when he arrived at Opobo newly and had to assimilate and drove off the rest to acquire the land.
The remnant of them even went as far as Etche, and were assimilated by the Igbos there, they were called the "Ochichi".

There are three language groups Indigenous to southern part of NIGERIA.
ie The Igboid, the Ibibiod and the Edoid.

Ijaw is an alien people that sticks out like a sour thumb when you consider how unrelated they are to the original three of Ibibiod, Edoid and Igboids.

BKayy:
And he ended up turning himself to a laughing stock.
Even his official portrait is now under dispute that it is of another man.

The man was not smart or truthful to himself. He ended up wasting years of his slavery.

Being the first slave to document about his life would have added a boast to his work if he wrote the truth but look at him, a disgrace of a writer.

This is what happens when an Igbo man try to forcefully attach himself to Bini.
He becomes an object of ridicule, because his account becomes incredulous and full of gaping holes. It creates a rational dilemma.
It never ends well.

He didn't need to start linking Essaka with Bini.
It messed everything up.
He didn't need to attach to Bini to draw attention and sell his story.

Just remove the Bini conundrum he created himself and his story becomes 100% credible.

Essaka is in Nri area of influence.

Ichi marks ✓
Afor for year ✓

But he fell for the Bini virus and ruined a good story.

BKayy:
And Isseke was never under Bini. So the dude confused people there, no doubt.

You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

BKayy:
The thing tire me oh.
I wonder the kind of IQ most of these Ijaw people have.

Imagine using what someone said about his family to instigate that he is no longer part of the family but yours (an alien he never mentioned of)

No matter the prejudice some people from Bonny at that time have against the larger igbo family, they never for once said that they are IJAW

Alabo7978, GreatBoss and the other pirates, can you people show us one place the people of Bonny were called or self identified as Ijaw prior to 1970 (after the war)

Lol!
Ikwerres say Igbos are thieves who want their land and oil, therefore, Ikwerres are not Igbo speakers, they are Ijaw.

That's the logic the Ijaw man is presenting to show that Bonny is Ijaw.

BKayy:
But, that Ashaka needs to be researched because there was never a time Isseke had anything to do with Bini.
If the cultures he described can as well be seen in Ashaka then you might have solved the dudes confusing piece of work

My problem with Ashaka is that he spoke of the Mberenchi marks (Mgburichi marks of the Nri).
These marks are not present in Ashaka area.

BKayy:
And where is the word "Ijaw" in all these?

I tire!
Even an Onitsha man would tell you that "Igbos are money conscious" does that now make Onitsha Ijaw people?

Igbere people (Orji uzor Kalu home town in Abia) was actually named "Igbo-ere" meaning "Igbos cannot sell us". This was in reference to Aro and her mercenaries attempt to ransack the town and sell them off as slaves. They successfully repelled Aro assault and named themselves "Igbos cannot sell us". Igbos in this sense referring to Arochukwu.
Does it mean that Igbere people were Ijaws because they called others Igbos?

Notice in the Bonny ethnologue, Aros and Nris where not listed as Ibos but as independent clans.
This happened probably because the Aros and Beretchi insisted on being referred by their towns and not subsumed under the general Igbo tag.
Does that now make them Ijaws?

Dude is just clutching at straws.
Igbo speaking people/clans called each other Igbo in the past, it doesn't mean they themselves were not speaking a language one would call IGBO today.

Only thing his extract showed was that Bonny people called other Igbos in hinterland Igbos.
Which was the norm those days.
Every Igbo speaking group called The rest of Igbo speaking groups "Igbos". It doesn't mean they consider/considered themselves Ijaw.

Putindbutt:
What makes you think he wasn't referring to Etsako?
I know for a fact that if " Essaka" was anything remotely close to ibo, you guys would have linked it with anything related to ibo.

Essaka is Isieke today in Ihiala, some say Ashaka, but Ashaka in Ukwuani has no culture of having Ich marks(Mberenchi) . And he mentioned that he is "Eboe".
He mentioned about the Mberenchi( the Ichi mark bearing Nri People), who were known in Bonny as Beretchi.

Olauda noted that his people measured years in *Ah-foh* ie Afor which means years in Igbo.

Infact you have no point. I see what you are doing.
You hope to derail this thread.

Alabo7978:
Nigga like I mentioned,
The Dutch and the Portuguese long before the British dealt with the coastal people-my people, they bought cam wood and cotton in their numbers and their reports were more accurate than the confused English writers who only came in the 19th century.
Let me ask you a question, if you passed through the university.
Have you ever written a project work and you sourced for references only for it to be returned back saying it wasn't correct?
Perhaps you got them from 1970 project work and was wildly thought to be true but over the years it has been seem to be false.
That is how you bkayy, igboid, and the other clowns in your group chat seem.
Even the British has discarded those reports to be wrong but still you are masturbating to falsehood, and you claim you're an intellect?
It's a pity. And biafrarep wants to bring those to court?
It's like defending a thesis from wrong and outdated source.
Lol, major clowns.

So you have no document to present to show where the colonials called Bonny or Opobo Ijaw?
Even when the Colonials compiled list of words used by all groups in Bonny for everyone to see if they mislabeled them by looking at the words each group used and compare them to today's equivalent, you still come up with the above thrash?
Are you this intellectually challenged?

The colonials who were so meticulous that they could differentiate Igede from Idoma and even noted the existence of Idoma and Igala in the town called "Ette" in Enugu, could not tell the difference between Igbo and Ijaw, two languages that are worlds apart?

Are you really this dense?

Putindbutt:
I don't want to sound pedantic as you do. Why would he have to belabour us into assuming[b]his origin when he could have easily told us he was ibo?[/b]
What makes you think other sources are wrong?. what makes you think his Virginia origin was not true?

what makes you think his Benin origin was wrong?
What makes you think the claims from other Africa countries like Sierra Leone wasn't true?

The man said he is Igbo.


"in one of the most remote and fertile of which, called Eboe, I was born, in the year 1745, in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka. "


---- The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, page 2

https://www.nairaland.com/4119618/oladuah-equiano-twisted-history-igbos

This topic has been thrashed long ago on this forum.

Bkkay. You are right. We have a Bini, Igala and Ijaw problem.
For a long time we were focused on Bini problem, now we are focused on Ijaw problem.

But I made an assertion that the Ijaw people (the nationality that we are contesting the territories with) by virtue of the fact that they had earlier access to the outside world sold our people to slavery as we are further interior, my people thought that my statement was derogatory in saying that the Ijaws aided in kidnap and sold our people to slavery,

No Ijaw person sold any Igbo to slavery.
King Pepple, of Bonny was both Igbo and Igbo speaking.
King Jaja was Igbo speaking.

So which Ijaw person are you speaking of?

FallenShitHole:
If you are not an Ijaw migrant mugu, i wonder what else you are.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYOOWbKeFB8
OPOBO:You Wouldn't Believe This Is Igbo Dialect Spoken In Opobo Rivers State.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HG7omHI1gY
OPOBO NWATAM 2020/2021/OPOBO AT 150 CELEBRATION

The first video, the guy's Igbo towards the end of the video is so clear.
Thanks for sharing.

AlexBells:
I didn't want to reply to anything but I would reply yours, if you noticed I did not make any reply to your post, earlier I tried to stay out but my getting at least 3 mention from the post all being too mean,

First as regards this post, I said Opobo is as Igboland as Orlu because King Jaja and his Ijaw crew migrated there just a while ago, where there no natives when they arrived?,

I said Bonny is a hybrid town which you also attested to, then the people who mentioned me in the previous thread was talking in references to other post I made earlier where I said despite that Ijaws sold Igbos in the past, there could be potential chance of having a country together.

Then most of the people who mentioned me in the post was making references to that my earlier assertion, I have no problem with your population, I only have problems with mean people trying to rubbish my credibility because I'm not saying exactly what they want to hear,

The British account can describe people but we need to acknowledge that slavery was on over 2 centuries before the coming of British, i did not doubt their description but history or not, Opobo either gets a peaceful option or a violent option

What's exactly your point?

Seriously, I can't make out the head or tail of this thread.
What exactly is this thread about?

Alexbells comes across to me like one with what I call "controlled madness".
Meaningless threads meant to create diversion or water down the importance of pertinent issues.

Putindbutt:
Impliedly, yes.

He never did.
He didn't mention Ijaw.

Putindbutt:
Your attempt are tribal pedanticism couldn't discredit Crowther's account.
Make i siddon dey look una.

Did Crowther account call them Ijaws?

BKayy:
I don't think this "itam/otam" is necessary at the moment. For now, let's round up Bonny

What else is there to discuss on Bonny.
It's obvious the Ijaws have no reasonable counter to offer.
We are just keeping the discussion lively in hope that one of them finally offer a worthy intellectual rebuttal.

Ekealterego:
Igboid, Slayerforever, 9cloud.

I think I found the otam. They are now spelt as Itam. Some have merged with Ibibio, while I guess some some Igbo (or not).

Their chief diety is called, Awaitam and they celebrate Awaitam.

Many of them merge and identify as Ibibio today while maintaining the Iran identity... their land stretch towards Ndoki and even towards Bende and Aro.

I think they are dispersed. Maybe someone from there can throw more light.

oooohhhh!!! I before I forget, I remember having a discussion with someone from "Item" pronunced as "Eetaym", he said their ancestors experienced an influx of migrations and mixed with people from "mmoghu" people, refering to people from Cross-Rivers and Akwa-Ibom.

Interesting, I figured as much. Ibibios assimilated them.
Makes sense, they were Ibibiod people themselves.

Thinking of it, I wonder why Ibibios couldn't rise to the occasion and unite all Cross River Ibibiod people in Bayelsa and Rivers together with Annang and Efik into one mega ethnic group.

I guess we Ndiigbo should be grateful to Igbo slaves in Sierra Leone and to the likes of Olauda Equiano, who started our reunion,and then the likes of Zik, Osadebey and co who consolidated it.

BKayy:
Proof/evidence?

Ogogoro drinkers joint is the source of his claims.

Nawao.
At this point, Ijaw doesn't even have up to 4 exclusive LGA in Bayelsa.

All they have been doing is forcefully and cunning labelling of Indigenous Ibibiod people of Bayelsa and Rivers.
Little wonder they got emboldened and started going after Oron, Andoni, Eastern Obolo and Ibeno.
I mean it's common sense.
If they can label proto Ibibiod people like Ogbia, Abureni, Abua, Odual, as Ijaws, they can use them to now reach out for other strategic Ibibiod coastal groups in Akwaibom(Eastern Obolo, Oron and Ibeno)

Interesting.

Ekealterego:
I am not talking as Brass and Nembe as a people... but I was telling him to be careful, because Brass and Nembe and now administrative names also.
It might interest you to know that there are Ogbia, Kugbo and Abureni people in Nembe and Brass.
These languages are different linguistically from Izon for example.

Brass LGA and Nembe LGA are not homogenous... However Brass town and Nembe town is a different matter.

Now we can see there are even Igbo speaking communities or regions in the main power place.

You are actually right about Abureni people.
They are actually an Ibibiod people. Their language is Cross River.
See the language ethnologue:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abureni_language



I think the inability of Ibibio people to unite with Annang and Efik ,that could have allowed them to unite the rest of the Ibibiod people in Bayelsa and Rivers, caused a vacuum in the Eastern region that the alien Sierra Leone Ijaws that came to our coasts as European porters have been trying to fill by fire and by Force.

SlayerForever:
Maybe Oss were Orsu of today

Good suggestion.

9Pluto:
Are you sure this is Nembe in Bayelsa State or Neni in Anambra State? Please, we would need some from Nembe or someone who lives in Nembe to confirm if this clip in from Nembe and if those guys are truly Nembe youths.

If it is certified they are Nembe youths, then we seriously need to question who are the Ijaws? The history/origin, when the first appeared in history, there language etc

If those are truly Nembe youths, then recent Nigerian historIans are a disgrace or I daresay we do not have historians in Nigeria.

I can imagine the damages or propaganda that would have been peddled pre-Internet age.

https://www.nairaland.com/6740243/bombshell-shock-trepidation-indigenous-igbos
It is.
Watch the video to the end.
See where they picked up the picture of the King.

9Pluto:
Are you sure this is Nembe in Bayelsa State or Neni in Anambra State? Please, we would need some from Nembe or someone who lives in Nembe to confirm if this clip in from Nembe and if those guys are truly Nembe youths.

If it is certified they are Nembe youths, then we seriously need to question who are the Ijaws? The history/origin, when the first appeared in history, there language etc

If those are truly Nembe youths, then recent Nigerian historIans are a disgrace or I daresay we do not have historians in Nigeria.

I can imagine the damages or propaganda that would have been peddled pre-Internet age.

It is.
Watch the video to the end.
See where they picked up the picture of the King.

Ekealterego:
Stop lying and bring evidence. If everyone was written as Igbos, how come all the samples of language evidence were separated by Clarke in 1800s
Slayerforever, see the language inside Bonny. Are these not Igbo language? 9pluto.

I just noticed that Nkissi, Amitsh and Oss in the list were not listed as Igbo ,but their words are Igbo words.
Biko any guess on who the Nkissi and Oss were? I'm guessing that Amitsh is Amichi (in Nnewi South of Anambra today).


The group recorded as Fernandian( I guess these ones came from the Island of Fernando Po(Modern day Bioko in Equitorial Guinea) to Bonny. They called man "Bobi" could this be where the Ph slangs "Abobi" for man came from?