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Ekealterego:
The name "Kamalu" is as ancient Aro/Bende as it can be. Today, it is now shortened to "Kalu" or "Kanu" but some areas in Abia state still maintain the full verion "Kamalu" and "Kamanu", especially Ukwa areas of Asa and Ndoki.

Yes.
I noticed that too.

SlayerForever:
Mba oli like single town?

According to Eleme Wikipedia page. The full name was "Mbaolli iche" meaning a single special country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleme_people

Eleme are basically Ogoni people who mixed with Aros and lost their Ogoni flavor and now don't consider themselves Igbo(Aro) or Ogoni, but want to be independent.
Their saving grace is that they retained their original Ogoni language.
If they were Igboid speaking, we would be wanting them to reconnect to us through Aros.

The Aro influence on Eleme is retained in Igbo names some of them of Aro origin bear till this day.
Look at the names of Eleme important personalities on Wikipedia.
See Dimkpa and other Igbo names there.

Ekealterego:
I guess, by the time their language was collected in 1848 by clarke, you could tell they were at least Igbos or something close to the Igbos.

Another thing is that the historically collected names of some of these people might have changed. At least, some changed.

The Alinsaw or Alinso recorded by Tabot and older historians have changed to Egbema I think.
Eleme was recorded as Mboli (the Arochukwu's settlers' name for what we now call Eleme9. In older books, they were called Mba oli or Mbolli

Yeah.
They were probably already assimilated by Ndokis by then and were Ibo, but still have one or two vestiges of their original Cross River language.

Yeah. Alinso is now Egbema.
But the still call themselves Egbema Alinso.

Ekealterego:
Make it 81, i will help out too.

I'm in. Now 82.

Egberi Faaa!
Aswana!
Izon Haa!

oyatz:
All these aren't necessary if we understand two important facts;

1) Ethnic Identities are self-indentities.














2) Ethnic Identities , though relatively stable are nevertheless dynamic and may change over a long period of time.

They can't change without language change.
For example, the town called Igbide in Isokoland Delta State have a history of migrating from Mgbidi in Imo state and Awka in Anambra state.
But today they no longer speak Igbo as mother tongue and so can nolonger be called Igbo.
For this reason, you will never see Ndiigbo claim them.

If Bonny and Opobo were not speaking Igbo language as mother tongue, Ndiigbo will not be claiming them, even if they have history of migration from Igboland.

So nope! Ethnicity is not an artificial construct. Ethnicity is built on ancestral origin and woven together by shared dialects of a common language.
You can't be claiming to be a member of same ethnicity with a people you can't communicate with without using another foreign language.

That's deception.

The Ijaws know that language is important, that is why they are busy forcing Bonny and Opobo people to stop speaking their Indigenous Igbo language and instead start learning a fraudulent language from Kalabari that they call Ibani.

Igboid:
The Ottam were the Ndoki.
Nwotam is said to have been invented by the Ottams.

Either this or the Ottam were another proto Cross River group Indigenous to the area currently called Ndokiland, and Bonny, and Opobo, that the Ndoki people assimilated when they arrived the area.

In which case, the Ottam no longer exists today, but exists in the blood of every Ndoki man.
Just like the Neanderthal never went on extinction but were rather assimilated by the homo sapiens we call Caucasians today.
So they continue to exist but inside the blood of Caucasians.

The Ama-Onye-nabo relationship to the two kings who reigned at same time in Bonny is so on point.
I had always insisted that Amayanabo is an Igbo word.
I couldn't just explain how it became a title for a king.
The OP have done great justice to that.

The Ottam were the Ndoki.
Nwotam is said to have been invented by the Ottams.

[quote author=penceman post=108022950][/quote]But if he was caught with drugs, drug trafficking will stop being about individuals and become about Igbo tribe?
You are not okay.

DitariDisciple2:
When u know nothing about Ijaw just shut up.
It's Ahoada West we speak of.
Not Ahoada East.

Ahoada West is shared between Ekpeye (Igboid) and Engenni (Edoid), so where is Ijaw there?
Ahoada East is totally Ekpeye (Igboid).

izac82:
Some of my Igbo brothers dey make me shame sha. You don't need to jump into every thread to throw in your opinion. Sometimes, just waka pass. Ha!

And why should that happen?
Omenkalives is from Igede and he doesn't stay off Igbo issues on this forum.
Why should we stay off his?

Some claim he isn't from Igede, but has any Igede person here come out to disassociate themselves from Omenkalives incessant anti Igbo behavior on this forum?
There is no rule that says that Ndiigbo must always be on defense and not on attack, is there?

CSTRR:
Why must you always insert your ethnic group into everything?

Una no get Sense?

Creating enmity for yourselves everywhere.

Chochochocho up and down.

You can't sit down and watch?

Are you Igbo?
Why can't you mind your business?
Omenkalives is from Igede and he doesn't stay off Igbo issues on this forum.
Why should I stay off his ethnic group issue?

Bia, mind your business.

GodHatesBigots:
Yep, and they are still fighting against their freedom.

Onye IPOB. Kwusi imechu ndi Igbo iru. Rapu ndi minorities aka.

Anonymous15:
Igboid, wake your comrade up, he is compromising LMFAO
lies will always be exposed.
One said okrika is ijaw.
The other said okrika is unique.
Igbo clowns are probably high on Igbo and they are compromising.
Ekealterego bkayy over over, mayday... Mission abort LMFAO

Okirika has many components.
There is the main Okirika who are the Ijoid one.
Then there are Igboid components found at Okujagu and co.
Then the Ibibiod Obulom.

All these came together to form Okirika and that's why Okirika is a unique entity.

But the Okirika language, the one from the Ijoid part, is an Ijoid language.

So I'm not contradicting my brothers.

Plantiff:
Is there any proof to support your assertion which I think is very wrong?

A legislation or treaty?

Nope.
No proof. I was only asking a question.

BKayy:
I don't think the Aboki is correct in that statement that the size of Nigeria is the determinant factor of Nigerian territorial sea because Benin Republic has more sea claim than Nigeria and if I can remember very well, Benin Republic is not up to half of Nigeria in land mass.

Nigeria's territorial sea claim is: 12nm
While Benin Republic Sea claim is: 200nm

Even small Togo is: 30nm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

Okay.
Thanks.
I guess I have listened too much to Northern lies.

scholes0:
That is Fulani wayo lies breh. All sovereign nations, no matter how tiny have exclusive navigational and exploratory rights to their territorial waters as well as the right to exploit the natural resources embedded in the shelf of their Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZs). Size's got nothing to do with it.
Even a sovereign speck of littoral land will have an EEZ as long as it is a natural landform. That is why some of these old colonial powers like France are clutching hard to their offshore islands not wanting to let go of them.

Okay.
Thanks for clearing that up.

BlackAdam55:
You can't tell me what I know ok? Abuloma people are Okrikans they have never for once deny being Okrikans, and Okrika Is an ijaw subgroup. The day Abuloma people reject the Okrika tag then they can be whatever they want until then,they are Okrikans. And Okrikans are ijaws.

This is the ethnologue of Obulom language.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obulom-Ochichi_language

Did you see any Ijoid let alone Ijaw there?

Obulom is a Cross River language that is considered an endangered language.

BlackAdam55:
Abuloma people are Okrikas and the Okrikans are of the ijo subgroup.

Abuloma people are not Okirikas.
They speak an obvious Ibibiod (cross River) language.
While Okirika speak an Ijoid language.

Abuloma language called Obulom is a Cross River language that is currently labelled an "endangered language" , no thanks to Ijaw expansionists agenda on the people.

scholes0:
How is this reply relevant to the topic??
Most Akwa Ibom oilfields are offshore. (Both shallow and deep) and they are always in number 1 or 2- flip flopping with Delta for top spot.
If you notice- they are one of the few oil producing states that don’t have much issues with oil spills and land degradation.

You better rethink any previous notion that you might have had.

But there is a factor people are not considering regarding the offshore fields.

NIGERIA only have claim to these fields because of our landmass that the North contribute the bulk of. As you level of claim to intercontinental waters I learnt is determined by your landmass.
If there is disintegration of NIGERIA, Akwaibom might not have enough landmass to claim those oil Wells from other smaller countries in the region like Cameroon, Gabon, Equitorial Guinea, etc.

What do you think about this?

Fejoku:
Many Igbos may not know but the Obolo language is a mixture of Ekoid, Ibibiod, Igboid and Ijoid languages. There are communities and markets there with clearly Igboid names. Some of them bear Igbo names like Uche Secondus, etc. There is popular name called Horsefall is Rivers State from Andoni. The origin of the name is from a woman called Nwanyi Osifolor. She was a good cook and was very wealthy such that she started a war canoe house which morphed into the house of Horsefall.
They call themselves Obolo people and their language is clearly a cross river language group. It's the Ijaws that call them Andoni which many historians used for them. They are not an Igbophobic group. I once met one of them and I learnt a couple of things from him.

Ijaw is infecting everyone down there with Igbophobia.
I wouldn't hold my breath on modern Andoni not being Igbophobic.

Once Abuloma people detach from Ijaw, because they are proto Ibibiod people and not in anyway Ijaw.
Ijaw claim to PHLGA will be truly and fully over.

Egberi Faaa!
Aswana!

BKayy:
I don land like Arụsị

I tuo down ka Alusi.

Ditari ezoo ka nkapi.

Good development.

Abuloma people are not Ijaw too.
These people like Abua are proto Ibibiod people, just like Andoni.

Ijaw only succeeded in claiming these people for a while ( we all knew it wasn't going to last), because the Annang, Ibibios and Efik were too petty, too blind to see the big picture, too myopic to unite into one single mega ethnic group they truly are.

If they had succeeded in doing this, then they would have successfully pulled Abuloma (Obulom) Abua, Ogbia and Andoni into this mega group.
Because ethnically speaking, these groups are for all intents and purposes,proto Ibibiod people who developed riverine culture having migrated to and live in the riverine region as opposed to Ibibio and Annang that stayed on land.

Now that opportunity is lost because these proto Ibibiod people now see themselves as independent groups.

Nigerians don't know it, but GEJ and his Ogbia people, linguistically and ancestrally are more related to the Ibibios than to any Izon man screaming Aswana up and down.

The typical Igbo man is well rooted to his land. An Igbo man is connected to the the spiritual world, the world of his ancestors through his ancestral land. Everything we do is linked to the land, this is why Ala/Ani/Ana/Ali/Eli is the most prominent deity (a goddess) in Igbo speaking realm.
When you commit abomination, you are said to have defiled the land ie "nso Ani" and must purify it (Ikpu alu/Ikpu Ani)
Many had suggested that the bond between the Igbo man and his land is the chief reason why the Igbo didn't expand their lands much to encroach other tribes. In Ancient Igboland, the only people who migrated in Igboland are those who committed one crime or the other in their own ancestral lands and were either banished or had to run on their own for their own lives.
The most favoured to live and be buried in their ancestral lands.

ZombiePUNISHER:
Enugu is dead under the baboon called Ugwuanyi...

The Man is the most useless governor in the country...

Enugu just wasted good eight years... spits

Lol@ baloon.
Like Ikpeazu like Ugwuanyi, fat men with poor intellect.

Eastlink:
That’s it. No one challenged Alagoa and Fombo in 1971. And Ijaw only claim to Bonny is the fraudulent write-up by Alagoa nothing more, nothing less.

However, the good thing is that men like late Prof Dike and late Prof Jones have already finished work on Bonny history before the rise of Alagoa. Encyclopedia and Wikipedia are simply Ijaw tool for propaganda sponsored by Ijaw leadership as Alagoa’s ideas is what is printed there. Even the speak Ibani (Kalabari dialect) going on in Bonny is Ijaw initiative kick-started by Alagoa and yet the Igbo leadership keeps quiet instead of springing their own surprise.

The only way to stop the Ijaw landgrab madness going on in Rivers state is a political solution. The Governors who have ruled Rivers minus Amaechi are all pro-Ijaw and anti-Igbo in orientation. Igbos need to rally a strong Igbocentric Governor to undo the over-40 years damage Ijaw rule have done in the pyshe of most Rivers indigene. This is why you have Ijaw pushing their agenda in Riverine Rivers state. The earlier Ndigbo do like the Yoruba who tactically and gradually made Warri/Itshekiri a pro-Yoruba town, the earlier it does for Bonny.

Nwanne, it's been a while.
Good to have you back.

See list of words used by Bonny natives including their Kings as recorded by European explorers centuries ago.
All are Igbo words spelt with a different orthography to modern Igbo Onwu orthography.

Ekealterego:
Aboh's connection with their neighbours and the extent of their reach was explored by those ethnographers. They had trade relations too and influence.

Maybe you can read about accounts from "King Obie" and "Prince Tchukuma"

Two different different accounts at the height of the powers and when their powers were waning.

Is king Obie same person as Eze Obi Ossai?

Alabo7978:
Proves written by who?
Your fellow land grabbing people.
I hear there is a drug in igboland called mkpuru'mmiri.
It seem you are high on that drug.
Stop bringing research ebooks written by drug smugglers.
The okoloama people are not igbos.
Different language, different mode of dressing, different food, different everything.

All you have so far is your Ogogoro joint made up stories.
You have no historical proof, whereas we are providing all the historical proofs.
A third neutral party who isn't Igbo or Ijaw visited Bonny centuries ago and remarked that the people were Igbo speaking and even went on to make a word list of Bonny language and their English interpretation, and we see that the words he recorded corresponds today to the Igbo spoken in Ndoki and Bonny till today.

Alabo7978:
Ekealterego , SlayerForever
Look what I found, is this official receipt not enough?
How best do you want to meander from this one?
This clearly show okolo-ama people are the original.
Or will you say the king and crowther are ogogoro drinking people?
Please what other reciept do you want greater than this?

Okoloma language, which is the language spoken in Okoroma Ndoki.
The piece you shared wasn't discussing about the ethnicity of the King and his people,but the language they were speaking.
If you asked an Awka person the language he was speaking in that era, he too would say Awka language.

Ekealterego:
I originally shared it in my conversation with him on another thread. These crop of Ijoh boys do not have the mental capacity to bring receipts from history.

Have you seen anyone of them attempt to dig up history or make any reference?

Thinking of it.
Ndoki people are originally of Olu/Oru origin.
They migrated from Aboh/,Oguta area to their current location.

It would therefore appear like Bonny is a point of reconvergence between lost Igbo brothers ie Aboh and Ndoki.