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And for all those who hide behind the cloak of "GOD IS A MYSTERY" just to espouse the pagan trinity dogma,hope you all know that there clear scriptures that can prove God is satan and is evil and infact does have more than one spirit of which one is evil...

Do you guys know that when you say God cannot be understood it means God infact would not only be a trinity but all of us-NITY??...

Hiding behind the mystery sh-it is rather childish..

Enigma: Meanwhile after Mr Nebuchadnezzar was told what was going to happen to him, here is what he did and said:

Daniel 2
46 Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell prostrate before Daniel and paid him honor and ordered that an offering and incense be presented to him. 47 The king said to Daniel, “Surely your God is the God of gods and the Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, for you were able to reveal this mystery.”


Even Nebu who was supposed to be the "king of kings" knew who was the true God of gods and "Lord" of Kings!

But did it stop nebuchadnezzar from being the king of kings that he is....

Are you still arguing that nebuchadnezzar wasn't the king of kings??....

My guy e be like you wan run from the titlt king of kings....

I think ona wan chop title...

Do you know I can argue now that nebuchadnezzar was the Father and Jesus together since he was called the king of kings??...

So that I can sound jejune like you guys who hold on to titles even when you know the truth...

debosky: First and Last can apply to anybody, King of Kings can apply to anybody, Son of God can apply to anybody, Lord of Lords can apply to anybody, even God can apply to anybody too.

All in an attempt to dispute the deity of Jesus.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question - none of this
infantile behaviour of answering a question with another question.

And have you answered the question that should provide your answer??...


How did Jesus become Lord of Lords??....

I know you guys are shocked to see a title like king of kings apply to a pagan ruler.....

I want you guys to realize what titles are and stop behaving like kids who just got a new toy....

Chibuebem: this guy no go kill pesin!!!

I just showed you all what it means when more than one person or thing can attain a title by virtue of its or he/she's activity...

I gave another example of Jesus not being the "word of God" alone....

The bible is also called the word of God....

Is the bible and Jesus one and the smae person or equals??...

Chibuebem: yes, he hasnt stopped being our God-man in the heavens. Jesus' humility and conquest was the reason he is highly exalted. He was God in nature, but he put off his glory and power for a while to die for us.

Why should Jesus be exalted in the first place if he is the ONE GOD


E be like to mumu na ona hobby for this nairaland...


Jesus is back into heaven and he still doing the will of the Father which makes him Gods servant for all eternity...

Chibuebem: oga, u won kill pesin U know wetin e mean for pesin to be 1st and last? Nawa to u o. Thank God benalvino quoted the remaining scripture.

When in revelation Jesus was called first and last,immediately the reason was given why he was first and last.....he was dead and had risen...first fruits of those who had died...

This is why I say first and last is a title that fits who ever is first and last in his or her own class....

The father being first and last means before him and after him there would be no other ONE GOD...and all I have done on this thread is establish that the Father remains the One God who is the God of Jesus...

I know it had not occured to you and your ilks that we and Jesus all share d same Father who is the one God...

benalvino: how did he become a servant?
what was he before he became a servant for our sake... ?

Before he came to the earth he was Gods servant........

God sent his servant and not his equal.......
Isaiah 53:11

New International Version
(©2011)
After he has suffered, he will see
the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous
servant will justify many, and he
will bear their iniquities.


God sent his righteous servant.......Jesus has always and will always be Gods servant.......

It is like arguing that Jesus has stopped being Gods son or that the Father has stopped being Jesus' God......

benalvino: that is why he is the Son... and he is the heir of the kingdom he and the father organized...
did Jesus exist as God before he was born?
did the word become flesh or not?
did he make him self a servant for our purpose or not?

Why is Jesus an heir if already he owns kingdoms and all powers and not recieveing them??..........

Do you really know what or who an heir is??....

The fact that Jesus is an heir shows he is not the one GOD

Jesus didn't just make himself a servant,he is the servant of God........

benalvino: its for God alone... can you provide another person who the bible did not address as [the word was God and became flesh] or who the bible did not say he created everything or the bible did not say he exist in the nature GOD and made him self servant that is answering first and last?

One abeg.

Nope.........

First and Last can apply to anybody provided you fit into the title .......

NO??.......

I can show you from the scriptures where the bible is called the word of God.......Jesus Christ is not the only ""word of God""....

Titles aPply to anything or anybody.......

Chikena..!!!!!...

benalvino: and did he create those powers or not?
before God created everything when Jesus exist as the eternal word of God... all the creation was for him. simple

And yet he was given them by someone higher than him......

And which powers did Jesus create??...does it include all the power the all-powerful God gave him??.....

Does it??.......

idnoble135: Hmmmhm. Jesus operated as a prophet. But was He more than a prophet. He operated as an evangelist, but he was a more than an evangelist. He operated as a teacher but he was more than a teacher.
The servant hood explains a dimension of His work here on earth. He operated as a servant of God but is more than a servant.

That verse says God glorified his servant........

And Jesus is that servant....he has not stoPped being one....

benalvino: nope... that title is only Owned by GOD... there can not be 2 first and last... this is not a matter of confusion if any it is you who wont accept this... GOD is not a title... Alpha and omega is only owned by God...first and Last is only Owned by God...

can you open a verse that called the father One lord?

Who told you the tilte first and last is exclusive to the one GOD alone??......

Who??.......

Na ona don reserve the title for only God that is why ona dey swim inside confusion......

benalvino: Was those said powers and ruler-ship created by him and for him at the first place? that's the question... colossians tells you that..

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Was Jesus given powers and rulership or not??....

Answer the damn question......

debosky: Can you answer one question before posing another? Let's maintain some order.

I asked that question to answer your question........

How did Jesus become lord of lords and king of kings(as was applied to even a pagan king)??......

benalvino: you sir is confused... this question is always hard for you to answer...

Why do we have 2 first and last? and 2 alpha and omega?
the bible says only God is the rock... but it says Jesus is that rock also...

And you are still confused with titles.....

Go study scriptures harder.......

You can't open a verse that calls Jesus the one GOD......

Your rigmarole around titles does not help you.........

benalvino: nebuchadnezzar is the king of kings cause he has nations he conquered which are all earthly...
Jesus is from heaven to the bottom of the earth... nebuchadnezzar king of kings is nothing... lol

See why nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings.....

Daniel 2:37

New International Version
(©2011)
Your Majesty, you are the king of
kings. The God of heaven has given
you dominion and power and might
and glory;


the bolded answers your worries.......

And I can see how you want to shove nebuchadnezzar aside......

Was Jesus given rulership.power,kingdoms,dominion or not??.......

benalvino: then can we say the father is not the one lord too?

The appointed one Lord??....

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Don't forget the appointment which you are ruNning from....

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idnoble135: Oh! Your second line is a shame! Jesus? A servant? Never! Heb 3:5-6 debunks calling Jesus a servant. He aint in that category.
Where scriptures cant convince you like Paul, you need a divine encounter like Paul.

Are u ashamed for Jesus ??...Jesus isn't ashamed of he being the servant of the one GOD.....

Acts 3:13

New Living Translation (©2007)
For it is the God of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob--the God of all
our ancestors--who has brought
glory to his servant Jesus by doing
this. This is the same Jesus whom
you handed over and rejected
before Pilate, despite Pilate's
decision to release him.


Jesus is the holy servant of the one GOD.......

Your thought is like telling me its a shame that I am a servant of Jesus......

idnoble135: lol, the child of a goat is also a goat, the child of a lion is also a lion, then Jesus the son of God is now what? A servant?

Is the child of the one GOD the one GOD??.........


And Yes Jesus is the holy servant of God.....

debosky: Oh ok - Jesus is just a king of kings like Nebuchadnezzar - is that what you are saying?

What about Lord of Lords? Was Nebu also given that title?

Straightforward answers please.

Do you agree Jesus was given the title??......

Do you??.......

idnoble135: lol, then who is Jesus?

He is the son of God......the appointed messiah....the appointed king of Gods kingdom...the appointed Lord of Lords and king of kings........the servant of God....

Jesus is not the one God........

debosky: @ Frosbel Any chance of getting a response to the questions I raised? At least you should be less encumbered now your padi ijawkid is on the scene.

@ Enigma

Maybe, since they claim Jesus is 'a' God, he is also 'a' King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Or maybe God the Father is no longer King of Kings since Jesus now 'took' this title.

And I have asked......when nebuchadnezzar was rightly called the king of kings,did God stop being the ONE king??.....

When david is called the king of isreal,did it ever stop the Father from being the king of isreal??......

idnoble135: Wait!
Are you saying Jesus is not God?

I am saying Jesus is not the ONE GOD.......

idnoble135: i dont have the bolded. But it would mean so since scripture places this three together.

If u don't have d bolded why hold on to it tightly even when a scripture like 1 corinthians 8:6 exists that shows the ONE GOD to us is the Father alone.....

This same Father is the GOD of Jesus.....

Why can't we all just accept this truth and stop this pagan nonsense called the trinity.......

Why??......

Enigma: @ Goshen360

O ga o. May God open the eyes of our friends.

That verse of 'the Lord is the Spirit' is very good indeed and makes many points which might not be readily seen. Incidentally, one of the types of points it makes is what I was about to make with another biblical statement.


OK. At least so far no one has denied that the Bible says Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That is good.

On the other hand, the Bible also says God the Father is King of kings and Lord of Lords.

You see, this doctrine of the "Godhead" (just to temporarily avoid using the word 'trinity') is just so magnificent in the way we are shown by several means of the unity of the Persons of that Godhead.

Deuteronomy 10:17
"For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes."

Psalm 136:3
"Give thanks to the Lord of lords: His love endures forever."

1 Timothy 6:14,15
"... keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords"

Revelation 17:4
"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings ...."

Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

My brother enigma......

You forgot another king of kings.......

NEBUCHADNEZZAR.......

Please add him to the list of king of kings........


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idnoble135: One God.

Oya open just a verse that says the bolded.....that these 3 persons are ONE GOD.............

Meanwhile goshen email me your phone number.....

Make we gist small about life....e don tay no be small......

Goshen360: Abeg make I go to where my daily bread is jorr. There is also ONE Spirit, ONE Lord and scripture also says, THE ONE Lord IS the ONE Spirit.....are you still confused about that?

And there is one God the Father alone........

Make you no dey confuse o..............

idnoble135: Thanks be to God for some of the previous comments before mine. The FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST are one. Numerous scriptures proves it. And quite alot has been shown by the previous writers.
I hope Frosbel would learn as God's Spirit tries to teach Him. Some things i already read from his comments shows he still has to open up to learn things from God's word. No man possesses an inherent embodiment of all the truth of God's word. We learn daily. God bless.

One what??.....one naira,one dollar or what??.....

One what??......

Goshen360: ^ What does that scripture says? Me sef don confusion naw o

The confusion ends at 1 corinthians 8:6 amongst all other clear renderings......

The Father is the one GOD alone......

when once people run away from this one clear truth confusion surely arises.....

Please remember.....ONE closely always attached to the Father alone.....

ONEEEEEEEEE

Goshen360: @ Enigma,

Egbon mi, e ku ise oluwa o. Exposition lati Greek l'agbara ju. Make I help you translate am into English for people to see. You know say no be everybody understand Greek wey you wan start now.

Now the Lord is the Spirit . . .2 Corinthians 3:17

In Goshen360 translation, The Lord (Christ) = The Spirit (Holy Spirit).

Frosbel and Ijawkid and truthislight, please how can Jesus = Holy Spirit? Me sef don start dey confuse here o

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You might just be towing towards modalism.....

Oya make I ask you....is Jesus Christ the holy spirit??......
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And benalvino the question still stands on how Jesus became the one Lord as was refered to him in 1 corinthians 8:6....you can't run away from that fact......

How did Jesus become Lord??.......