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Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 2:18pm On Jun 29, 2013
Mr anony:
I really can't make any sense of what you wrote up there. What don't you understand by God laying down His God privileges and humbling Himself to becoming the man Jesus Christ?


How can YHWH drop his God priviledges??....are you sick or something??......

if I go by your rubbish "drop God priviledge ish" how should that make YHWH ignorant of anything but rather recognize that someone else knows something he is ignorant of.....

Philipians 2:5-6 cannot help you o.......

And you had better make sense of what ever I write because you guys are very sick people who have rubbished who the Father is.......

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Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 2:06pm On Jun 29, 2013
Mr anony:
Lol, do you now have a problem with Phillipians because it doesn't fit into your doctrine?

I have never read philippians and mistook it to mean what you guys propagate it to be......only a twisted mind reads those verses and think otherwise....

I am asking you mr Anony to help Yahweh explain why he was starkly ignorant of a fact but someone else knew.....

The reason why I say don't quote philipians again is because it would choke you up...

Because at the end of the day this Jesus never dropped his divinity but ,rather he is even YHWH that came from heaven....

grin........

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Religion / Re: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by ijawkid(m): 1:33pm On Jun 29, 2013
alexleo:

I just want to thank those of you who are fighting against the cult of false prophets here headed by the chief priest frosbel. God is putting their falsehood to shame. To God be the glory. God bless you my dear.

Which God are you thanking??......

Please alexleo which God are you thanking??......

Answer please.....
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 1:31pm On Jun 29, 2013
Mr anony:
Lol, sometimes I really feel sorry for you lot and all the scripture you have to diligently deny in order to keep your false doctrine afloat.

Deny what!!...

Now you are happy that hisblud dug out the HRV which I'm still struggling to find the next verse online........

Now you just agreed that Yahweh came from heaven......

Oya just tell us why Yahweh who is Yahweh himself did not know when the world would end....

Don't quote phillipians anymore.....Yahweh came to the earth as a man by your conclusion..........

You guys don't even understand the gravity of your assertions.......

Nonsense!!!!!!.........

Please tell hisblud to quote the next verse from the HRV and let's see....
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 1:18pm On Jun 29, 2013
hisblud: when i saw this translation, i was wow, this is hebrew not english? It made me see that translation from hebrew to greek to latin to english, somethings were either omitted or not comprehended. The translation is from the hebrew root version.

Lo and behold this Yahweh who decsended didn't know the day and hour when he would return but someone else knew....grin......

You guys don't know how foolish y'all look when you just quote scriptures without understanding them....

Now can you kindly string out the word that should make that rendering fix YHWH in that verse??....

Is the tetragrammaton present or is it a reference to YHWH coming to earth as man whom no one can see and hath seen??....

Small time na ona go run around dey quote phillipians 2:5-6 saying Jesus dropped his divinity and came to the earth,....

Here are the same double mouthed persons pressing that YHWH was a man who died.......

Rubbish.....

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Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 1:14pm On Jun 29, 2013
hisblud: i concur wit dat.

Did you in all your shaking of your head to accepting the truth anony wrote down discover that Jesus isn't Yahweh(who's will Jesus was to do and not his own will)??.....
Religion / Re: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by ijawkid(m): 1:09pm On Jun 29, 2013
hisblud: No believing Anti Trinitarian can answer [size=15pt]WHO Heb 1:8 was referring too? [/size]shocked shocked

E be like your body dey pepper you .....


This verse in hebrew 1:8 which is a direct excerpt from psalms 45:6-7 refers/refered to solomon and the greater solomon(Jesus Christ)........
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:22am On Jun 29, 2013
benalvino:

call me Mumu all you like... the Question is... is Satan divine? is the holy spirit in him and the idles?
was pharaoh divine?
Abeg na which power you think say satan dey use worry us??........

Please check up the dictionary and find out what divine means.....

You are wasting my time....


benalvino:

no one is arguing... being powerful spirit doesn't mean you are divine... another desperation. fact here is that verse you quote is a promise... we don't have it by nature. before you will be divine you have to escape the badthings of the world... so technically speaking you were not born like that.
Oboy ehhhh......please define what divine means.........

If the angels aren't divine then you are just a waste of time.....

Do you even know what divine means or you are just hell bent on arguing fruitlessly??...

benalvino:

is satan divine?
is the holyspirit in the idols?
are the idols divine?
was pharaoh divine?

see all the question you get when you try to equate us to God or downgrade God to us.

Which GOD do you mean??....

The Father alone or your imagined polytheistic definition of God??......


The earlier you cling to the one God the Father who created Jesus,the better for you.......

I don tell you o......

I'm happy you know we would be fully sharing Gods very nature in the kingdom........

At least some of your mumu questions go stop......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:16am On Jun 29, 2013
I dey wait for the scripture wey say and GOD created the angels


I leave you people to your polytheism........
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:14am On Jun 29, 2013
benalvino: @ijawkid

As usual when a question chokes you... you will always say it is stupid cause you cant answer them... the reason you gave why it is stupid doesn't hold fact...

now moses and others are savior... why Does Jesus have to Drop is Nature of God to be human to save mankind?
why didnt moses or john the baptist die on the cross for everyone?

you can call it stupid all you like... But fact is anyone reading it knows it is not stupid... they just know you cant answer it.

You don tire me......


YOU DON TIRE ME....

E be like say I dey discuss with non living thing......

Didn't The Father send all of them wether flesh and blood or spirit creatures??......

Isn't the Father the sender of them all........

Your questions are so stupid to even look at...........

Even after reading

1 john 4:14
New Living Translation (©2007)
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes
and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.



Are you not deluded??.......

I have been waiting for you and your fraudulent team to open just a verse that says the one God is not the Father alone.......

I don't even know why I am wasting my time.......

It is either you belong to the one God the Father or you are a confirmed polytheist.....
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:08am On Jun 29, 2013
benalvino:

Thank you... Now the nature they are talking about when does it happen? is it not after the glorification of humans after christ comes so we can be like him?

you see your self? trying left and right to make man equal to God...
Now promise given to man that they will become divine as the become one with christ with the dwelling of the holyspirit in them is what is making you quote this verse? lmao now you know how desperate you are.
Now I quoted this scripture to cement my argument on how man would even become more Godlike than he is now....

Man right now as we speak is the glory of God......

Now imagine the angels who share this same very nature with God....

Now you would understand why they are also refered to in the scriptures as God(s).......



benalvino:

Since we are in the very nature of God lol is satan divine?
Satan is supernatural,powerful.....infact he was divine........and I can say he is divine but in a bad way.......grin...






benalvino:

what you quoted is a promise we may get or partake in... we are not born with it. See your self. Desika see how he is desperate oooo...


First of all do you agree with the promise??.......

and once again I refer you to God himself calling men Gods....

For goodness sake we are the image and glory of God.....

We already are divine(we are HOLY)......but would be made complete in Gods kingdom.........


benalvino:

so now the idols and humans are divine?

the Holy spirit is dwelling in the Idols even pharaoh... they were all divine till they died.

it says if we escape the wickedness of the world...

The question for you now is Satan sharing same divinity with Christ? is he divine at all?


Your mumu don tire me ooo.......

Isn't satan a powerful spirit creature??......

I don tire for you....
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:45am On Jun 29, 2013
deSika:
through his agents, the agents as you say have the ability to create. that means you were created by non one Gods, you cant wish that away. who was involved in creating you. Ijawkids answer: the one God and non one Gods. {therefore the father is not the sole creator} thats what you are saying. if agents can create it means the father is not the only sole creator. you cannot wish it away.

The Father remains the sole creator because he created Jesus whom he used as agent......

An agent does the will of his maker or sender.......

It just as the Father would ressurect the dead through his son......

Chikena!!!

deSika:


the ability to create is surely an exclusive right of the one God amongst other things. what are yu even saying. do you realise that yoou are saying that not only a one God can create life. get this if i asked you who created you, you would say its the one God, but here you are claiming that a non one God can also create and infact created. double tonging are you.
What about the ability to ressurect the dead.....isn't it an exclusive right of God the Father??.......

But lo and behold his son can ressurect d dead,his servants on earth can too.....

And get this into your brain....Jesus himself was created...


The Father grants his vendors with what ever powers he dims fit....and Jesus being his firstborn he has given immeasurable abilities.........

deSika:

either the one God created you, or the non one God (agent)created you. i repeat it is necessary that your creator in all ramification of the word is the one God, anything short of that would mean that a non God person created.

keyword: creation: exclusive ability of the one God



You are being naughty ooo.......

Oya Jesus was created and used as Gods vendor to create things other than himself who was caused by the Father.......


And the ability to create is not what makes God the Father the one God......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:39am On Jun 29, 2013
deSika: how,where

Please can you get just one explicit verse that says the angels were created??...

I don't know if I've seen before o...

If there is make ona help me bring am come....


I am asking this question to know......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:36am On Jun 29, 2013
benalvino:

soon he will say Jesus is a nobody that infarct there is another Jesus called bar-Jesus and that he is equal to Jesus because is name is bar-Jesus.

them think say the word God na small thing you will just apply to any object they like... at least bible definition shows 3 definitions and only One applies to Jesus and the father... the other 2 are titles = idols

Oboy no be EL GIBBOR ona wan chop??...
Remember I'm even quoting this scripture alongside with The Father in mind.......


EL GIBBOR was used on the Father,on his son and on humans........

Get the gist??......

Only a trinitarian,I repeat only a trinitarian reads isaiah 9:6 and assumes the son is the same with the Father or an equal with him.....


No Jew read isaiah 9:6 and arrived at that conclusion...........
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:33am On Jun 29, 2013
deSika:
why are you so dubious uhn

now see
King James Bible
The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.


my dear i was waiting for mighty god now.
why did they translate isaiah 9 as mighty God
and this one as mighty leaders

abi them no know wetin them they do, abeg show me where humans were called mighty god.
yes i know that el has multiple meanings, but the problem with you is that you are imposing one meaning of a word into another meaning of same word, just because you want to argue something. for all the translators to translate to something that is not mighty god tells me that since they understand language stuff they know what they are doing.


my friend pls, show me were 'mighty god' as used for the father and Jesus in isaiah.

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Oboy you have it already na....

Isn't EL GIBBOR the problem here??...

E be like mighty God don overtake your head finish....

I just stringed out a clear verse were men were called EL GIBBOR.....

Translators all saw EL GIBBOR....

EL GIBBOR is the ish....face it......

Isn't it EL GIBBOR you want to have for breakfast this morning.....it has been served....grin....

I would tell you that titles alone does not equate one with another....

Rubbish!!!!....
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:28am On Jun 29, 2013
benalvino: Back to the topic...

ijawkid and co... maintain that God can be anybody that it is just an ordinary title. numerous time he uses other people try to equate them to Jesus level or try to downgrade Jesus to their level... One example is the savior argument we have... in fact from the way he is talking Jesus is not the savior but the father or Jesus is not the only savior there are people like Moses and others who are his savior too despite the fact that bible says Jesus is the savior of mankind, he doesn't see or notice the uniqueness of Jesus... he is just like the swat team that rescue people from an hostage situation. only by looking at reality TV, you will notice that there are a lot of savior on TV. police, firefighter etc... even in the midst of Christ people were casting out demons from others with his name and guess what saving is taking place. but are all this saviors saviors? didn't the bible says Jesus is the only savior? didn't the bible say the father is the only savior? why bring Moses who also need saving right now?...
this is one place salvation is based on and he doesn't see the uniqueness of Jesus being called Christ or messiah... He was asking me what it means in a way that it means savior like Moses and other.
and I can put it to you that you're downgrading The Father by equating his creation with him.........

And who says I don't recognize the uniqueness of Jesus......it is you guys who can't and don't want to recognize the One Father who sent both Jesus and all others to be saviour.....



The Father is head of them all.......so my words stand with the scriptures.......the Father sends everybody and nobody sends him...so he remains the one GOD.....

benalvino:
if moses saved ten people in the hands of pharaoh at a point in time... does it mean he saved mankind?
are the people he saved back then including him didn't look onto Jesus to save them from death?
if other men are saviors why would Jesus have to come from heaven?
why didn't God still use the so called saviors ijawkid is talking about?



a question he looks as stupid because it kicks him in butt is the one concerning Moses and yet he hasn't said anything about it.

Your question reeks off ignorance....

You're question would be as useless as when someone asks why God needed to raise up another prophet like moses if he had infact raised up other prophets in the past......


You think if the prophets or saviours in the past weren't sent by the Father we would have Jesus today who came to die......??....eh??......

You can't see that you are running around truths just to keep yourself in the hopeless trinity state that you are.....

Irrespective of the magnitude of the assignments of the vendors of The Father,the truth stands.....The Father initiates what ever plans he has and executes them through his servants,son,vendors and what have you....

Jesus' unique job does not change that clear fact......

You can keep running away from it but you cannot hide....




benalvino:

He said we are a god: and i ask since we are a god why does God have to make Moses be like a god to pharaoh?
red color to be like red color?
isn't it what it is in the first place?


the very strange argument is we are God but if we do not seek worship we wont be destroyed... where is that taught in the bible?

If we are all God and didn't seek worship is okay in the eyes of God; then why should he destroy the carved wood and stones that did not ask anyone to worship them?

when he says he will destroy all the gods that did not create the heaven and earth is he talking about ones that did not ask people to worship them or not, or is he talking about other gods in general?

Now bottom line is God says a lot of times that he didn't form any God many times. And God which Jesus and the father is, is not a rank... they are God by nature they have all the qualities to be God

You are still running around.......smh!!.....

God himself proclaimed men as God(s).....can't you get this simple truth??....

Oya go argue with God ehhh.....ask God why him go call men God(s).....

Ask am....

After showing you what it means for one to be God you keep arguing......



benalvino:

this is Jesus:
Who, being [b][size=14pt]in very nature God[/size], did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;[/b]

this is other gods
"Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which [size=14pt]by nature are no gods[/size]." (Galatians 4:8 ).

That is why the God keep saying there is non like him... and he didn't form any.

you cant try to take away the deity of Christ o...

And who is taking anything away from Christ??......

Christ remains what he is.......the son and servant of God....the subordinate of the Father who is the one God...Christ remains not the one GOD....


And please kindly tell me what we would become by the time we are even made perfect and be sharers in Gods very nature??...

2peter 1:4

Weymouth New Testament
It is by means of these that He
has granted us His precious and
wondrous promises, in order that
through them you may, one and all,
become sharers in the very nature
of God
, having completely escaped
the corruption which exists in the
world through earthly cravings.


World English Bible
by which he has granted to us his
precious and exceedingly great
promises; that through these you
may become partakers of the
divine nature, having escaped from
the corruption that is in the world
by lust.


______________________________

I hope you can see the reason why I said one does not need to be a creator to be called God or to be God(s) by nature??.....


When once one shares Gods very nature one becomes or can be called God(s)....this is why the Father did not make a mistake by even proclaiming imperfect men as God(s),more or else when man has attained perfection as spirit persons in heaven.........



benalvino:

For pass over the isles of Chittim, and see; and send to Kedar, and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing. 11Has a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit. 12Be astonished, O you heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be you very desolate, said the LORD. (Jeremiah 2:11);

So the idols — and all the gods of the peoples are idols — are not an inferior rank of second-string gods or Demi god as ijawkid believes, they are "no gods." The qualifier 'strange' or 'other' negates, it does not establish, their true deity. And their future is not bright.


Did God make moses a false God or a demi-God to pharoah??.....

And you are still adamant....

We are and the angels are God(s) by the fact that they are in Gods image and also radiate his glory......

Don't you get it??.......

Remember when you said only God is holy and so since Jesus is holy then he is God the Father or an equal with him??.....

Until you were shown that we are holy too......these are the reasons why I said we are God(s)...the Father didn't make any mistake to utter such statement......

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Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:05am On Jun 29, 2013
deSika: you dont get it. do you
the 'agents' that took part im creating you are non one Gods, that means that you were created by non one God. if Jesus is not the one God and somewhere he claims to have created, then am afraisd to put it to you that you were created by a being that is not the one God. it therefore means that the one God is not the only sole creator as there are non one Gods that can create
I was created by the one God through his agent.......

The agent himself has been granted the ability to engage in creation while he himself was created by the one God...


deSika:
the problem you will be having, is that Jesus already meets the criteria for being a ONE GOD when you say he has the ability to create. only the one God has the ability to create. [no spirit being can claim that he has ability to create]

Jesus been able to create does not mean he meets up with the criteria for the one GOD.....the ability to create is not the only criteria that makes Yahweh the one God....there are other things my bro.....

And like I said before....Jesus himself was created by the Father so you have no ground to stand...
deSika:


God does not give anybody the ability to create because that will mean giving that person to be the one God.

so my dear, you are twisting yourself.
get this straight uhn.
for Jesus to be able to create life means he his the one God.
God infact has given his son the ability to do so many things......God the Father has granted his son to even have life in himself.......he has granted this his son power.....everything Jesus can do was granted to him.......


deSika:

by the way Jesus does not have a beginning, i thought Ben had taught you that. smh for your arrogance. and also he was not given ability to create. what you need to do is to show it.



Oboy ben taught nothing....ask him if he didn't cower in his own argument when scriptures was opened to show what Jesus being the beginning of Gods creation was forwarded.....

Ask the fraudulent ben to come over here and let us ressurect the topic........


I want you desika to tell me what it means for Jesus to be the beginning of GOD's creation....

And mind you Jesus isn't the GOD in bold....

And like I said and I stand by it,Jesus was given the ability to engage In creation after he himself was the first of Gods creation...

Now you can see why I say I was created and that the world was created by The Father through his son(agent)......
Religion / Re: Women Don't Wear Men's Clothing And Men Don't Wear Womens Clothing . by ijawkid(m): 10:36pm On Jun 28, 2013
musKeeto: lol.. Make we no derail thread.. hope say oyel still dey pump sha? grin

Oyel??.......

The oil companies don dey adopt methods to stop our oyel tapping job o.....

My brother jungle don rough o grin.......

E no easy again o
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:54pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

Debunk how... i am telling you simple thing.

and where do you want to head to with your marraige issue......??........

Maybe you want me to go a step further and quote Jesus' words when he said the Father is greater than he is......maybe marraige go enter your head then....

Abi you wan marry.......grin

Please I would like you to underscore who has authority over Christ......

Take magnifying lens look am.......

Oya...
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:51pm On Jun 28, 2013
deSika: pls show where humans are called mighty God
ok you want to see where humans are refered to as EL GIBBOR??....

Ezekiel 32:21

New International Version
(©2011)
From within the realm of the dead
the mighty leaders will say of
Egypt and her allies, 'They have
come down and they lie with the
uncircumcised, with those killed
by the sword.'

New Living Translation (©2007)
Down in the grave mighty leaders
will mockingly welcome Egypt and
its allies, saying, 'They have come
down; they lie among the outcasts,
hordes slaughtered by the sword.'



Do you know that the hebrew word rendered mighty leaders in plural in that verse is EL GIBBOR??........

And I know you wouldn't want to see more verses where mountains,other humans,all the angels are refered to as "EL"


And like I had said earlier.....EL and GIBBOR both mean the same thing....

Go and do a research on the words EL and GIBBOR and stop this charade.....

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Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:45pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

what am saying the bible uses the relationship between man and woman(marriage) to describe our relationship with Jesus.

You wan bring ya husband and wife issue wey them use debunk you for ya other thread??.......

Please read 1 corinthians 11:3 again and grasp the point ........

And please what ever exegesis you want to apply to Jesus and man try applying it to Jesus and God.....
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:43pm On Jun 28, 2013
deSika: i dont agree that Jesus has a beginning. And the father didnt give Jesus or anybody ability to create. [i have been asking you to show where Jesus was given ability to create you have not done so]
Oh please...Jesus had a beginning if you must know.......

He is the beginning of Gods creation......

cool........

He had a beginning......he had a start.....



deSika:
and let me emphasize again the one you are dodging. If you say the cocreators are not the one God, then you are saying you were created by 2 class of beings
1. The one God
2. Other beings that are are not the one true God
therefore The father is not the sole creator. Thats what you are saying
I was created by God through his agent......

Just as an employee recieves salary from his OGA through an agent(cashier or accountant) while the aCcountant himself is still an employee..........






deSika:

what am saying is that it is necessary that the persons that created me are all one true God. The bible supports this when it changes 'us' to 'i'.

Got it wrong......

Christ is Gods vendor......and isn't the one God ......


deSika:

So the question now is who is your creator
a. The one God and some other non 'one true Gods
b. The one God expressed in 3 persons

[clue: let us make man : more than one persons involved]

My creator remains the Father........
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:34pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

So we are the wife of christ abi? figuratively

Oboy ehhhh........

we are under Christs authority and remain subject to him..........

Your bobo dey lay false charges on me......

This scripture clears up the issue.....

And please take a look at who exercises authority over Christ......


Who benalvino??.....

Who??......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:14pm On Jun 28, 2013
deSika: in his quest to reduce the diety of Jesus, he tries all he can to equate him with man.

Ijawkid pls show us the other saviors that will save the whole of mankind. Stop comparing spain the world champions with blue house, the interhouse sports winners in a school. Thanks

1 corinthians 11:3....


GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
However, I want you to realize
that Christ has authority over
every man
, a husband has authority
over his wife, and God has
authority over Christ.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But I would have you know, that
the head of every man is Christ;
and the head of the woman is the
man; and the head of Christ is God.


I have never equated man to Christ.......


Maybe ona brain dey decieve ona.......



It rather you guys who are equating Christ to God the Father and thereby equating man to Christ......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:06pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

How does this change the fact that jesus is the savior?

you see how you they jump around?
what is the motive here?
are you trying to say Jesus is not the savior? if that is not the case why do you look for excuse?
just because Obama makes me the General doesnt mean am not a general...

Jesus is the savior whether he was exalted or not... nothing Change he is still the savior of the world.

if you like say if no the the father him for no be the savior... Na you he concern fact is fact... jesus is the savior.

And all I see is a looser trying to feel good.....

Is God the Father the one saviour by virtue of the fact that someone appointed him or exalted him to be saviour??........

Eh??......

Jesus being appointed and exalted butresses the fact that the Father remains the one saviour who sends his representatives to save his people,the world etc.....

God is the initiator,while he positions vendors to carry out his plans.......

God the Father can never and has never been a vendor........

Can you please go to sleep and mayb go to church tomorrow and worship your 3 Gods??.......

Infact let me take the Father out of the equation.......

Go and worship your 2 Gods and have a nice time practicing polytheism......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:01pm On Jun 28, 2013
deSika: we are talking about God here. My worry is simply why you will call the one true God and a mere god the same mighty God, could you muster up the courage to say satan is the mighty God, saying it line by line with 'The father is also a mighty God'. That should help you understand the gravity of the statement 'JESUS is the mighty God'

Didn't ever occur to you that human rulers are called EL GIBBOR too??.........

Have you not being seeing this my comment??.......

I have said the scriptures has refered to human rulers as EL GIBBOR too and they are not the one GOD the Father........

My brother you have no damn point to hold on to......

EL and GIBBOR or the 2 words merged has been used on men,mountains and angels,not only The Father and Jesus........
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:51pm On Jun 28, 2013
deSika: distinct persons with distinct roles yet are one. Phew

Yet are one what??.....



Open scripture to prove this your statement you no fit.....

They are distinct persons but one what??......

I dey wait for that scripture wey say but to us there is but one GOD(The Father,son and holy spirit).....

Show me....
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:44pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

they expected him to Come from heaven (an expected savior oh) special one. no need arguing this... It is clear bible says Jesus is the savior of the mankind said same thing to the father.

thats the bottom line. there is only one savior.

Lmao.....

Please can you apply this scripture to the Father??...

English Standard Version
(©2001)
God exalted him at his right hand
as Leader and Savior, to give
repentance to Israel and
forgiveness of sins.

New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
"He is the one whom God exalted
to His right hand as a Prince and a
Savior
, to grant repentance to
Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


Please was the Father also exalted as saviour and Leader??.....


Please........

I want you to think for a moment and stop this childish argument......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:36pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

WTH... now you don come with ultimate again?

what if i ask you to show me where the bible teach that?

my point is the father and Jesus is the one savior.

Jesus was sent as saviour...the Father wasn't ......the Father remains that person who makes sure his emmisaries carry out his biddings.......

Abi you don hear before say the Father somebody send am??......

Was the Father ever exalted as saviour and leader??......

Make ona brains dey function na....

To leave this thread dey hungry me but I no fit because ona just dey yeye.....
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:33pm On Jun 28, 2013
benalvino:

the messiah is only for Jesus bro... they expected him to Come from heaven.

again the moses and your other saviors did not save the whole world or man kind... in fact they need jesus ehhhh to be saved you no they understand?

so to apply same logic to others i can safely say God send Moses to free is people from Egypt and not from death which Jesus did OK.


Oboy wetin be the meaning of messiah??......


The other saviours don't need to save the world ooooo........

The fact is that both the one who was sent to save the world and those who were sent to save just a nation were all sent by God the Father......

God sent moses as saviour....God sent Jesus as saviour...

Do you see the similarity irrespective of the enormity of there assignments??.......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:30pm On Jun 28, 2013
deSika: i think you need a lecture on the roles of the 'persons'. But how will you understand that when you have not grasped the basics

Grasp what??....that the one God is not the Father alone(1 person) but a mixture of 3 persons??.....

Please let us see another clear scripture to help you allign all your thoughts....

New International Version
(©2011)
For there is one God and one
mediator between God and
mankind, the man Christ Jesus,


English Standard Version
(©2001)
For there is one God, and there is
one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus,



Oboy who is the one GOD??.......
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:26pm On Jun 28, 2013
Desika the definition of man...

man
[man]

-n.
1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
2. a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.
3. the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war.
4. a human being; person: to give a man a chance; When the audience smelled the smoke, it was every man for himself.
5. a husband.
6. a male lover or sweetheart.
7. a male follower or subordinate: the king's men. He's the boss's number one man.
8. a male employee or representative, esp. of a company or agency: a Secret Service man; a man from the phone company.
9. a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine: Be a man. The army will make a man of you.
10. a male servant.
11. a valet.
12. enlisted man.
13. an enthusiast or devotee: I like jazz, but I'm essentially a classics man.
14. male friend; ally: You're my main man.
15. a term of familiar address to a man; fellow: Now, now, my good man, please calm down.
16. a term of familiar address to a man or a woman: Hey, man, take it easy.
17. one of the pieces used in playing certain games, as chess or checkers.
18. a liegeman; vassal.
19. manly character or courage.
20. Slang.
a. a person or group asserting authority or power over another, esp. in a manner experienced as being oppressive, demeaning, or threatening, as an employer, the police, or a dominating racial group.
b. a person or group upon whom one is dependent, as the drug supplier for an addict.

-v.t.
21. to furnish with men, as for service or defense.
22. to take one's place for service, as at a gun or post: to man the ramparts.
23. to strengthen, fortify, or brace; steel: to man oneself for the dangers ahead.
24. to accustom (a hawk) to the presence of men.

-interj.
25. an expression of surprise, enthusiasm, dismay, or other strong feeling: Man, what a ball game!

-Idioms
26. in complete agreement or accord; unanimously: They arose as one man to protest the verdict.
27. be one's own man
a. to be free from restrictions, control, or dictatorial influence; be independent: Now that he has a business he is his own man.
b. to be in complete command of one's faculties: After a refreshing nap he was again his own man.
28. ever since childhood: He's been working that farm, man and boy, for more than 50 years.
29. a man who exemplifies masculine qualities.
30. with no exception; everyone; all: To a man, the members of the team did their best.



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How can someone come out and tell us man is just a nature and not a title as well......

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