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Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 2:18pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: How can YHWH drop his God priviledges??....are you sick or something??...... if I go by your rubbish "drop God priviledge ish" how should that make YHWH ignorant of anything but rather recognize that someone else knows something he is ignorant of..... Philipians 2:5-6 cannot help you o....... And you had better make sense of what ever I write because you guys are very sick people who have rubbished who the Father is....... 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 2:06pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: I have never read philippians and mistook it to mean what you guys propagate it to be......only a twisted mind reads those verses and think otherwise.... I am asking you mr Anony to help Yahweh explain why he was starkly ignorant of a fact but someone else knew..... The reason why I say don't quote philipians again is because it would choke you up... Because at the end of the day this Jesus never dropped his divinity but ,rather he is even YHWH that came from heaven.... ........ 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by ijawkid(m): 1:33pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
alexleo: Which God are you thanking??...... Please alexleo which God are you thanking??...... Answer please..... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 1:31pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: Deny what!!... Now you are happy that hisblud dug out the HRV which I'm still struggling to find the next verse online........ Now you just agreed that Yahweh came from heaven...... Oya just tell us why Yahweh who is Yahweh himself did not know when the world would end.... Don't quote phillipians anymore.....Yahweh came to the earth as a man by your conclusion.......... You guys don't even understand the gravity of your assertions....... Nonsense!!!!!!......... Please tell hisblud to quote the next verse from the HRV and let's see.... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 1:18pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: when i saw this translation, i was wow, this is hebrew not english? It made me see that translation from hebrew to greek to latin to english, somethings were either omitted or not comprehended. The translation is from the hebrew root version. Lo and behold this Yahweh who decsended didn't know the day and hour when he would return but someone else knew.......... You guys don't know how foolish y'all look when you just quote scriptures without understanding them.... Now can you kindly string out the word that should make that rendering fix YHWH in that verse??.... Is the tetragrammaton present or is it a reference to YHWH coming to earth as man whom no one can see and hath seen??.... Small time na ona go run around dey quote phillipians 2:5-6 saying Jesus dropped his divinity and came to the earth,.... Here are the same double mouthed persons pressing that YHWH was a man who died....... Rubbish..... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 1:14pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: i concur wit dat. Did you in all your shaking of your head to accepting the truth anony wrote down discover that Jesus isn't Yahweh(who's will Jesus was to do and not his own will)??..... |
Religion / Re: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by ijawkid(m): 1:09pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: No believing Anti Trinitarian can answer [size=15pt]WHO Heb 1:8 was referring too? [/size] E be like your body dey pepper you ..... This verse in hebrew 1:8 which is a direct excerpt from psalms 45:6-7 refers/refered to solomon and the greater solomon(Jesus Christ)........ |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:22am On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino:Abeg na which power you think say satan dey use worry us??........ Please check up the dictionary and find out what divine means..... You are wasting my time.... benalvino:Oboy ehhhh......please define what divine means......... If the angels aren't divine then you are just a waste of time..... Do you even know what divine means or you are just hell bent on arguing fruitlessly??... benalvino: Which GOD do you mean??.... The Father alone or your imagined polytheistic definition of God??...... The earlier you cling to the one God the Father who created Jesus,the better for you....... I don tell you o...... I'm happy you know we would be fully sharing Gods very nature in the kingdom........ At least some of your mumu questions go stop...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:16am On Jun 29, 2013 |
I dey wait for the scripture wey say and GOD created the angels I leave you people to your polytheism........ |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:14am On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: @ijawkid You don tire me...... YOU DON TIRE ME.... E be like say I dey discuss with non living thing...... Didn't The Father send all of them wether flesh and blood or spirit creatures??...... Isn't the Father the sender of them all........ Your questions are so stupid to even look at........... Even after reading 1 john 4:14 New Living Translation (©2007) Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. Are you not deluded??....... I have been waiting for you and your fraudulent team to open just a verse that says the one God is not the Father alone....... I don't even know why I am wasting my time....... It is either you belong to the one God the Father or you are a confirmed polytheist..... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 10:08am On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino:Now I quoted this scripture to cement my argument on how man would even become more Godlike than he is now.... Man right now as we speak is the glory of God...... Now imagine the angels who share this same very nature with God.... Now you would understand why they are also refered to in the scriptures as God(s)....... benalvino:Satan is supernatural,powerful.....infact he was divine........and I can say he is divine but in a bad way.......... benalvino: First of all do you agree with the promise??....... and once again I refer you to God himself calling men Gods.... For goodness sake we are the image and glory of God..... We already are divine(we are HOLY)......but would be made complete in Gods kingdom......... benalvino: Your mumu don tire me ooo....... Isn't satan a powerful spirit creature??...... I don tire for you.... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:45am On Jun 29, 2013 |
deSika: The Father remains the sole creator because he created Jesus whom he used as agent...... An agent does the will of his maker or sender....... It just as the Father would ressurect the dead through his son...... Chikena!!! deSika:What about the ability to ressurect the dead.....isn't it an exclusive right of God the Father??....... But lo and behold his son can ressurect d dead,his servants on earth can too..... And get this into your brain....Jesus himself was created... The Father grants his vendors with what ever powers he dims fit....and Jesus being his firstborn he has given immeasurable abilities......... deSika: You are being naughty ooo....... Oya Jesus was created and used as Gods vendor to create things other than himself who was caused by the Father....... And the ability to create is not what makes God the Father the one God...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:39am On Jun 29, 2013 |
deSika: how,where Please can you get just one explicit verse that says the angels were created??... I don't know if I've seen before o... If there is make ona help me bring am come.... I am asking this question to know...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:36am On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: Oboy no be EL GIBBOR ona wan chop??... Remember I'm even quoting this scripture alongside with The Father in mind....... EL GIBBOR was used on the Father,on his son and on humans........ Get the gist??...... Only a trinitarian,I repeat only a trinitarian reads isaiah 9:6 and assumes the son is the same with the Father or an equal with him..... No Jew read isaiah 9:6 and arrived at that conclusion........... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:33am On Jun 29, 2013 |
deSika: my dear i was waiting for mighty god now. why did they translate isaiah 9 as mighty God and this one as mighty leaders abi them no know wetin them they do, abeg show me where humans were called mighty god. yes i know that el has multiple meanings, but the problem with you is that you are imposing one meaning of a word into another meaning of same word, just because you want to argue something. for all the translators to translate to something that is not mighty god tells me that since they understand language stuff they know what they are doing. my friend pls, show me were 'mighty god' as used for the father and Jesus in isaiah. [/quote] Oboy you have it already na.... Isn't EL GIBBOR the problem here??... E be like mighty God don overtake your head finish.... I just stringed out a clear verse were men were called EL GIBBOR..... Translators all saw EL GIBBOR.... EL GIBBOR is the ish....face it...... Isn't it EL GIBBOR you want to have for breakfast this morning.....it has been served........ I would tell you that titles alone does not equate one with another.... Rubbish!!!!.... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:28am On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: Back to the topic...and I can put it to you that you're downgrading The Father by equating his creation with him......... And who says I don't recognize the uniqueness of Jesus......it is you guys who can't and don't want to recognize the One Father who sent both Jesus and all others to be saviour..... The Father is head of them all.......so my words stand with the scriptures.......the Father sends everybody and nobody sends him...so he remains the one GOD..... benalvino: Your question reeks off ignorance.... You're question would be as useless as when someone asks why God needed to raise up another prophet like moses if he had infact raised up other prophets in the past...... You think if the prophets or saviours in the past weren't sent by the Father we would have Jesus today who came to die......??....eh??...... You can't see that you are running around truths just to keep yourself in the hopeless trinity state that you are..... Irrespective of the magnitude of the assignments of the vendors of The Father,the truth stands.....The Father initiates what ever plans he has and executes them through his servants,son,vendors and what have you.... Jesus' unique job does not change that clear fact...... You can keep running away from it but you cannot hide.... benalvino: You are still running around.......smh!!..... God himself proclaimed men as God(s).....can't you get this simple truth??.... Oya go argue with God ehhh.....ask God why him go call men God(s)..... Ask am.... After showing you what it means for one to be God you keep arguing...... benalvino: And who is taking anything away from Christ??...... Christ remains what he is.......the son and servant of God....the subordinate of the Father who is the one God...Christ remains not the one GOD.... And please kindly tell me what we would become by the time we are even made perfect and be sharers in Gods very nature??... 2peter 1:4 Weymouth New Testament It is by means of these that He has granted us His precious and wondrous promises, in order that through them you may, one and all, become sharers in the very nature of God, having completely escaped the corruption which exists in the world through earthly cravings. World English Bible by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust. ______________________________ I hope you can see the reason why I said one does not need to be a creator to be called God or to be God(s) by nature??..... When once one shares Gods very nature one becomes or can be called God(s)....this is why the Father did not make a mistake by even proclaiming imperfect men as God(s),more or else when man has attained perfection as spirit persons in heaven......... benalvino: Did God make moses a false God or a demi-God to pharoah??..... And you are still adamant.... We are and the angels are God(s) by the fact that they are in Gods image and also radiate his glory...... Don't you get it??....... Remember when you said only God is holy and so since Jesus is holy then he is God the Father or an equal with him??..... Until you were shown that we are holy too......these are the reasons why I said we are God(s)...the Father didn't make any mistake to utter such statement...... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:05am On Jun 29, 2013 |
deSika: you dont get it. do youI was created by the one God through his agent....... The agent himself has been granted the ability to engage in creation while he himself was created by the one God... deSika: Jesus been able to create does not mean he meets up with the criteria for the one GOD.....the ability to create is not the only criteria that makes Yahweh the one God....there are other things my bro..... And like I said before....Jesus himself was created by the Father so you have no ground to stand... deSika:God infact has given his son the ability to do so many things......God the Father has granted his son to even have life in himself.......he has granted this his son power.....everything Jesus can do was granted to him....... deSika: Oboy ben taught nothing....ask him if he didn't cower in his own argument when scriptures was opened to show what Jesus being the beginning of Gods creation was forwarded..... Ask the fraudulent ben to come over here and let us ressurect the topic........ I want you desika to tell me what it means for Jesus to be the beginning of GOD's creation.... And mind you Jesus isn't the GOD in bold.... And like I said and I stand by it,Jesus was given the ability to engage In creation after he himself was the first of Gods creation... Now you can see why I say I was created and that the world was created by The Father through his son(agent)...... |
Religion / Re: Women Don't Wear Men's Clothing And Men Don't Wear Womens Clothing . by ijawkid(m): 10:36pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
musKeeto: lol.. Make we no derail thread.. hope say oyel still dey pump sha? Oyel??....... The oil companies don dey adopt methods to stop our oyel tapping job o..... My brother jungle don rough o ....... E no easy again o |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:54pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: and where do you want to head to with your marraige issue......??........ Maybe you want me to go a step further and quote Jesus' words when he said the Father is greater than he is......maybe marraige go enter your head then.... Abi you wan marry....... Please I would like you to underscore who has authority over Christ...... Take magnifying lens look am....... Oya... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:51pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
deSika: pls show where humans are called mighty Godok you want to see where humans are refered to as EL GIBBOR??.... Ezekiel 32:21 New International Version (©2011) From within the realm of the dead the mighty leaders will say of Egypt and her allies, 'They have come down and they lie with the uncircumcised, with those killed by the sword.' New Living Translation (©2007) Down in the grave mighty leaders will mockingly welcome Egypt and its allies, saying, 'They have come down; they lie among the outcasts, hordes slaughtered by the sword.' Do you know that the hebrew word rendered mighty leaders in plural in that verse is EL GIBBOR??........ And I know you wouldn't want to see more verses where mountains,other humans,all the angels are refered to as "EL" And like I had said earlier.....EL and GIBBOR both mean the same thing.... Go and do a research on the words EL and GIBBOR and stop this charade..... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:45pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: You wan bring ya husband and wife issue wey them use debunk you for ya other thread??....... Please read 1 corinthians 11:3 again and grasp the point ........ And please what ever exegesis you want to apply to Jesus and man try applying it to Jesus and God..... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:43pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
deSika: i dont agree that Jesus has a beginning. And the father didnt give Jesus or anybody ability to create. [i have been asking you to show where Jesus was given ability to create you have not done so]Oh please...Jesus had a beginning if you must know....... He is the beginning of Gods creation...... ........ He had a beginning......he had a start..... deSika:I was created by God through his agent...... Just as an employee recieves salary from his OGA through an agent(cashier or accountant) while the aCcountant himself is still an employee.......... deSika: Got it wrong...... Christ is Gods vendor......and isn't the one God ...... deSika: My creator remains the Father........ |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:34pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: Oboy ehhhh........ we are under Christs authority and remain subject to him.......... Your bobo dey lay false charges on me...... This scripture clears up the issue..... And please take a look at who exercises authority over Christ...... Who benalvino??..... Who??...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:14pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
deSika: in his quest to reduce the diety of Jesus, he tries all he can to equate him with man. 1 corinthians 11:3.... GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) However, I want you to realize that Christ has authority over every man, a husband has authority over his wife, and God has authority over Christ. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. I have never equated man to Christ....... Maybe ona brain dey decieve ona....... It rather you guys who are equating Christ to God the Father and thereby equating man to Christ...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:06pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: And all I see is a looser trying to feel good..... Is God the Father the one saviour by virtue of the fact that someone appointed him or exalted him to be saviour??........ Eh??...... Jesus being appointed and exalted butresses the fact that the Father remains the one saviour who sends his representatives to save his people,the world etc..... God is the initiator,while he positions vendors to carry out his plans....... God the Father can never and has never been a vendor........ Can you please go to sleep and mayb go to church tomorrow and worship your 3 Gods??....... Infact let me take the Father out of the equation....... Go and worship your 2 Gods and have a nice time practicing polytheism...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 9:01pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
deSika: we are talking about God here. My worry is simply why you will call the one true God and a mere god the same mighty God, could you muster up the courage to say satan is the mighty God, saying it line by line with 'The father is also a mighty God'. That should help you understand the gravity of the statement 'JESUS is the mighty God' Didn't ever occur to you that human rulers are called EL GIBBOR too??......... Have you not being seeing this my comment??....... I have said the scriptures has refered to human rulers as EL GIBBOR too and they are not the one GOD the Father........ My brother you have no damn point to hold on to...... EL and GIBBOR or the 2 words merged has been used on men,mountains and angels,not only The Father and Jesus........ |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:51pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
deSika: distinct persons with distinct roles yet are one. Phew Yet are one what??..... Open scripture to prove this your statement you no fit..... They are distinct persons but one what??...... I dey wait for that scripture wey say but to us there is but one GOD(The Father,son and holy spirit)..... Show me.... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:44pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: Lmao..... Please can you apply this scripture to the Father??... English Standard Version (©2001) God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. New American Standard Bible (©1995) "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Please was the Father also exalted as saviour and Leader??..... Please........ I want you to think for a moment and stop this childish argument...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:36pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: Jesus was sent as saviour...the Father wasn't ......the Father remains that person who makes sure his emmisaries carry out his biddings....... Abi you don hear before say the Father somebody send am??...... Was the Father ever exalted as saviour and leader??...... Make ona brains dey function na.... To leave this thread dey hungry me but I no fit because ona just dey yeye..... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:33pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: Oboy wetin be the meaning of messiah??...... The other saviours don't need to save the world ooooo........ The fact is that both the one who was sent to save the world and those who were sent to save just a nation were all sent by God the Father...... God sent moses as saviour....God sent Jesus as saviour... Do you see the similarity irrespective of the enormity of there assignments??....... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:30pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
deSika: i think you need a lecture on the roles of the 'persons'. But how will you understand that when you have not grasped the basics Grasp what??....that the one God is not the Father alone(1 person) but a mixture of 3 persons??..... Please let us see another clear scripture to help you allign all your thoughts.... New International Version (©2011) For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, English Standard Version (©2001) For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Oboy who is the one GOD??....... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 8:26pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
Desika the definition of man... man [man] -n. 1. an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman. 2. a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man. 3. the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war. 4. a human being; person: to give a man a chance; When the audience smelled the smoke, it was every man for himself. 5. a husband. 6. a male lover or sweetheart. 7. a male follower or subordinate: the king's men. He's the boss's number one man. 8. a male employee or representative, esp. of a company or agency: a Secret Service man; a man from the phone company. 9. a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine: Be a man. The army will make a man of you. 10. a male servant. 11. a valet. 12. enlisted man. 13. an enthusiast or devotee: I like jazz, but I'm essentially a classics man. 14. male friend; ally: You're my main man. 15. a term of familiar address to a man; fellow: Now, now, my good man, please calm down. 16. a term of familiar address to a man or a woman: Hey, man, take it easy. 17. one of the pieces used in playing certain games, as chess or checkers. 18. a liegeman; vassal. 19. manly character or courage. 20. Slang. a. a person or group asserting authority or power over another, esp. in a manner experienced as being oppressive, demeaning, or threatening, as an employer, the police, or a dominating racial group. b. a person or group upon whom one is dependent, as the drug supplier for an addict. -v.t. 21. to furnish with men, as for service or defense. 22. to take one's place for service, as at a gun or post: to man the ramparts. 23. to strengthen, fortify, or brace; steel: to man oneself for the dangers ahead. 24. to accustom (a hawk) to the presence of men. -interj. 25. an expression of surprise, enthusiasm, dismay, or other strong feeling: Man, what a ball game! -Idioms 26. in complete agreement or accord; unanimously: They arose as one man to protest the verdict. 27. be one's own man a. to be free from restrictions, control, or dictatorial influence; be independent: Now that he has a business he is his own man. b. to be in complete command of one's faculties: After a refreshing nap he was again his own man. 28. ever since childhood: He's been working that farm, man and boy, for more than 50 years. 29. a man who exemplifies masculine qualities. 30. with no exception; everyone; all: To a man, the members of the team did their best. _____________________________ How can someone come out and tell us man is just a nature and not a title as well...... |
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