deSika: when you say one God is it a title. Smh. Its simple God is a nature just as man is a nature. Now is man a title.

Is man a nature??.....

How can GOD be a nature??....

Cheiii.....

Ok since God is a nature,then what do we do with satan who is GOD??.......

Chei I don suffer oo....

deSika: to add. Let then show us where Jesus was given ability to create life

Soon you would be asking were humans were given the ability to advance in technology or to solve maths........

You guys are just sick people.....

deSika: those scriptures you dodged in my thread. Are a few.

Please open just a scripture that looks like ephesians 4:6 and 1 corinthians 8:6......

Please I'm waiting.......

deSika: stop confusing yourself with the various ways God interacts with people. Yes he uses agents when delivering messages, but we are talking about where the bible says that God said let us make man (an act that he is part of and other persons are part of, he is not outside the act,he didnt use any agent, what you are calling agents is what i call different roles of the persons involved in the creation)

Is God outside the act by sending his son to save mankind??........

Is God outside the act when we preach about him??......

Is there any act in the world that God is outside of it.......

Your assertions in no way makes God the Father have colleagues......

Jesus was the vendor while God the Father remains the source from whom Jesus and all of us gained existence.....

Thank you...

benalvino:

again who is talking about sending? Jesus is the messiah that is the bottom line... now your argument is based on something that is irrelevant "who sent him" the father sent him and that is not the case... the case is that Jesus is the savior and the only savior... the bible also says the father is the only savior ehhh....

And what does messiah mean??......

Please check up the word messiah and find out if it does not agree with my argument....

You are just a joke....I think I'm waisting my precious.....

benalvino:


whether the Oga ontop send me to thief or not... at the end our 2 are the thieves thats the point am making... in fact the person Doing the stealing can claim only him steal the thing and the person doing the send him can claim only steal the thing or can claim he stole it through the person he sent.

Please apply your reasoning to moses and the others who were sent as saviours before Jesus was sent......

Can you now see that your thief and killing analogy go even put you for trouble??.....

At the end of it all we should be having multiple saviours since God the Father sent all these saviours......

benalvino:


Who sent him is not the issue... the thing is Jesus is the messiah at the end... find another messiah as you they argue say jesus not be the only savior... and moses and other saviors of the world who you appoint are saviors too.

Lol.......

Who sent him is the issue....

If the sender didn't send we won't be hearing of a messiah......

If you neglect the sender then you are in for trouble.......

benalvino:

ok tell me how is it useless?

you say we be gods sometimes we are gods like jesus sometimes we are gods that is not as jesus... we are born a god...

now why will God make a god be like a god .... you say na yeye question. Lmao.

God made moses a God to pharoah.......

You dey see the link??.......TO PHAROAH.......

Now even God himself had answered your question by calling men God(s)......

So I don't know what your problem is.......

I assume you want to accuse God the Father of polytheism.......

benalvino:

am i complaining that the father sent him or not?

The Father sent Jesus as??......


As what??...

Please answer...

benalvino:

abeg if i send you to go kill person does it mean that the police will leave you the killer and arrest me the sender? or it is our 2 that killed the person? that is why the bible says only the father is the savior and yet it says only Jesus is the savior. the saving others do no concern me... Yes God send them to save some people but are those people being saved from death?

You should have asked yourself if you would have become a thief or a killer if an OGA at the top didn't send you to be one......

The person who sends you as an assasin or a killer remains the chief assasin and killer ....

I wish you could apply your analogy to moses and the rest saviours whom God had raised up for his people....

Jesus was sent to save people from death...he was sent and that is the point....

benalvino:

Now if Moses and others are the savior how come they need saving from the savior which is the messiah which is Jesus?

English Standard Version
(©2001)
God exalted him at his right hand
as Leader and Savior, to give
repentance to Israel and
forgiveness of sins.


It seems steven wonder would understand this clear point more than you.......

Can you read the bolded and see why the Father remains the one saviour who exalts and sends people to do his saving acts??........

benalvino:

to him its a stupid question o.. i dont see how you can make dog a dog which is different from what it originally is at first.

Moses was made A GOD to??.......

And you keep running away from the fact that God himself called men God(s).....

.....

Sorry my bro your question remains useless.....

benalvino:

this your double standard na wao?

you keep shouting that the father is the one God... is jesus the one lord as the bible says you will shout no...
is jesus the one savior as the bibles says... you will shout no and invite moses and others saying they are saviors too...



see your self?

I am only trying to teach why God remains the one person he is,though confering responsibilities to his servants......

It is not double standard....it is what it is.....

God making people saviours in no way stops him from being the one saviour.......

Do you understand??...

benalvino:

yes the must be the messiah... cant you see? the messiah is what differentiate Jesus from your other saviors of the world. he didn't have to battle pharaoh like moses... he just came to die for hour sins very unique i may say

And from the scriptures one must not be the messiah to bear the title saviour.......

Jesus did save mankind in a unique way..you're correct...but wasn't he sent to do that??......

The magnitude of the saving act of the emmisary isn't the issue here,the sender of these saviours irrespective of there assignemnts is what is the issue....

God the Father sent them all.....

benalvino:

the one savior is Jesus i did not hear the bible say moses is the one savior or messiah...

you always 2ways man. you never have a straight forward view of something.

It seems 1 john 4:14 isn't your freind.....

1 john 4:14
New Living Translation (©2007)
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes
and now testify that the Father sent his Son
to be the Savior of the world.


Jesus remains the vendor through which God the Father saved the world......

deSika: look at the person depending on the jews for the definition of what God is. Do you mind asking the jews whether Jesus is the messiah, then tell me what you think of the jews. Smh

My brother salvation came from/originated with the Jews.....

Without the Jews we would know zilch about the Father...........


All the apostles were Jews my bro.....

See another clear scripture for you and your ilks....I don't need to start laplace transform to arrive at who the one God is.....it is lucidly stated everywhere...

Ephesians 4:6

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
(©2010)
And One is God The Father of all,
and over all, and with all and in us
all.



E don see am again??......

The one God is the Father alone and not a mixture of 3 persons.......

deSika: my friend if you answer my questions directly i wont ask them again. Its because you dodge them thats why i keep asking.

If you can call Jesus the mighty God, the exact Word used for the father in isaiah 10:21, then why should you be asking where Jesus is called the one God.

If the father is also the mighty God in isaiah 10, then how many mighty Gods do we have.

My answer: there is only one mighty God. He is the father, he is the son, he is the holyghost.

You forgot to add all the human rulers who were also refered to as EL GIBBOR....

My brother your wayo won't work........

To us there is but one GOD THE FATHER.......


Can't you gulp in this simple ABC of the scriptures??..........

And till this moment not even one scripture unequivocally supports your assertion.........


Can't you find a verse where it is said the one GOD is the Father,son and holy spirit.....

Why e dey hard for ona to support this false teaching with clear scriptures

Why??......

Polytheists on rampage....

benalvino:

that is why others you are calling saviors are not saviors na... cant you see. tell me where others are the saviors of the world?

But God called them and made them saviours.........

They were all sent as saviors.....

benalvino:

that is the point you dont want to understand. Jesus is the savior chikena...

He was sent as saviour......

1 john 4:14.....

benalvino:

yet again this is not about the savior... my problem is you look for ways to take Jesus glory all the time.

Nope......you are the one trying to demean the Father.......

Wasn't Jesus sent as saviour??....

Wasn't he??.....

benalvino:

are the other so called savior you are saying called the Messiah?

again

are they the Messiah?

So they must be the messiah before they are refered to as saviours??........

Even when the Father has pronounced these persons as saviours just as he did to his son??.....

Are you thinking at all??....

So because Jesus is called an apostle of God every other apostle should strip oFf the title??...are u well at all??...

benalvino:

you will look or someone who is fake messiah now just to take jesus glory again.

.....

I see you struggling with truth......

All the saviour(s) were sent by the Father........

Its like you hate to hear the Father......

You have already denied him as the one GOD......

Purnishment dey wait for all of ona...serious one.......

deSika: ok good, we are coming up. You can call jesus mighty God, you can also call the father mighty God from isaiah 10:21. Alrite.


he is called mighty God because he is mighty God.

Please you didn't answer why Jesus would be called EL GIBBOR.....

Please answer.......

Human kings have answered the same title.....

So I have dismantled what ever intentions you have to link this to mean Jesus is equal to the Father the one GOD.....

Why would Jesus be called EL GIBBOR??......

deSika:
1. You have not still shown where God gave the persons ability to create.

2. Can you say that you are the only person that did the work. Thats what am saying. If the cocreators are not the one God, then the father cannot say he is the sole creator, you yourself cannot say that you were created only by a one God. Other non one God persons were created you too. Thats what you are saying. In the end the one God is not the only one that created the universe. Keyword: only creator

but if all the persons involved in the creation are the One God it tallies with the saying "only the one God created the universe".

the person who worked alongside God the Father can't be the one God alongside the Father because that person himself had a beginning........

Jesus himself had a beginning....

So the Father remains the sole creator.......




Like I have asked you in previous threads....

Is there anything that Jesus can do or any ability Jesus has that wasn't bestowed on him by the Father??...........

Is there any??.......

The Father confers abilities and authorities to his servants,sons,creations as he wishes.....

That is why he remains the one GOD.....

That is why Jesus calls him MY GOD.......

1 john 4:14
New Living Translation (©2007)
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes
and now testify that the Father sent his Son
to be the Savior of the world.



Benalvino......

Who sent Jesus to be the saviour of the world??......

Who??....

Is the person different from the person who sent moses,joshua.ehud,the prophets,??.......


Please go and swim in your polytheism.......

benalvino:

shei... i call this weak argument... in fact jesus was aware that people where delivering other people from demons... does it make them savior?

did moses save anyone from death as jesus did?

again did moses save anyone from death as jesus did?

the thing you dont get is that even moses need the only savior Jesus to save him from death simple.

What you should ask is did moses save anybody at all??....

Did moses save people??......

Wasn't moses and Jesus sent as saviour by God the Father??......

These persons did not become saviours by virtue of the fact that they are the one saviour....they became saviours by virtue of the fact that they were sent by the one saviour......

O don tire for you oooo..........

benalvino:

Dude... when Jesus have one unique thing why do you always Cook strange arguments about humans having same thing? who is the only savior the bible talks about? who is the savior of the world? we are not talking about saving 2 of my village people... we are talking about saving mankind from adam and eve till the last day.

that's your thing always find something to use to try to take Jesus glory away. soon you go say all the people who get sheep for their farm na shepherd as Jesus.

and i told you that those savior wey you they talk about still need saving from Jesus so how are they the savior?
this is not the point though.
My issue is that you keep changing Jesus identity... the other day you admit he is a false god... today he is not a false god to you.

you guys use to worship jesus... then you stopped, then you start to worship him again, then you stopped. lol that is confusion and i am seeing it here.

And this saviour who is saving mankind from adamic sin wasn't he sent as saviour??.......

Are you a serious person at all...??...

Was Jesus not sent as saviour??........

Was he not??........weren't the persons who were sent as saviours to save Gods people in the past also called saviour(s)??......did that stop God the Father from being the Saviour??......


Make I quote scriptures again to show you say Jesus was sent and exalted as saviour.....

Ona wan drive me mad o........


And I am not changing Jesus' identity........

I am sticking to my one GOD the Father.......

It is obvious that the Father alone isn't your God......

Polytheist..!!!!!!!!.....

@benalvino....

See another saviour and ruler here....

Maybe we should equate him with God....

I don tire for you......

Acts 7:35

35 “This is the same Moses they had rejected
with the words, ‘Who made you ruler and
judge?’ He was sent to be their ruler and
deliverer by God himself, through the angel
who appeared to him in the bush.



Please we have another savior and ruler........

I don tire for onaaaa...

benalvino:

and he says he will destroy any god that didnt create the heaven ehhhh....

abeg the bible says he is in God form: which is the nature am talking about ehhhhh...

why should i care if he is telling them that? that is not the issue here... i showed you that God is a nature not a title... if you look up the bible teaching of God... you come out with 3 definitions... On is a nature... the other 2 are titles... easy. Jesus is in Definition 1 which is having the ability to create etc. the other 2 cannot even do anything.

lol is the father the one savior who is jesus? or the one Lord who is Jesus?
the fact is God is the savior, redeemer Lord, shepherd etc. Jesus and the father are all this things... they are the One God.

You are still asking the saviour question..benalvino do you have comprehension problems........humans have been called savior,God,redeemer,lord by God himself.........


Cheiiii........

So now you disagree that the one God is the Father alone........

Aren't you a polytheist??........

You just denied the truth straight.......

I can see that.......

Please when paul is ressurected we go tell am say him make serious mistake not to add Jesus inside the one GOD......

Thoniameek: Bro, if you offend me now eh, i need to forgive you first before God go forgive you, you get? Thats our ability to forgive sin( but if i no forgive you, i carry am die, na me and God get that gbege)

It seems you don't understand the point...

We have the authority to forgive and not to forgive the sins of people.....

This issue pass u offend me then I just forgive u........

This na serious issue my dear.....

E be like you need read this thing I dey talk from bible

deSika: my question is since you can call Jesus mighty God. WHO is mighty God in isaiah 10:21.

I know you would dodge it. So i will just answer for you.

The father is also called mighty God in isaiah 10:21. So the the question now arises. Why is the father and Jesus given the same rank of Mighty God. If they are not same

Since nebuchadnezzar can be called the king of kings and Jesus too......

Who was called king of kings in revelation??......

You still have not learnt to recognize people........

You cannot go around confusing people because of titles.......

You are not a kid o........

I have opened my mouth a million times to say even human rulers have been refered to as EL GIBBOR's.......

Are they the Father because they are called by that title??.....

I give up....

benalvino:

Jesus is the the holy one of israel just as the father... he is the redeemer just as the father... he is the shepherd just like the father... he is the first and last like the father... he is the alpha and omega like the father... he is the beginning and end like the father... he is also almighty like the father... need i go on?

The Father is not the beginning of Gods creation......

The Father is not a messenger of God

The Father is not the image of God..

The Father is not the glory of God...

The Father is not the son of God.....

The Father is not an apostle of God...

The Father is not Jesus Christ...

The Father is the one GOD and Jesus isn't ......


Should I go on.......


And I see you mention shepherd........

You know how many people God don call shepherd before even Christ answer that title??.....

Thoniameek: So, it's almost like jesus is an angel but to the father alone, right?.... So, i don't need to pray to him or cast out demons in his name, in fact i don't have to hold him in thesame regard as 'the father' right? ( but remember the father asked me to regard christ in thesame way i regard Him) wouldn't i be disobeying the father? But i don't get is Jesus christ not worth our worship? Because these is all sounding like he isn't worth all the honor he gets...

who says Jesus isn't worth the honour he deserves??....

Nobody is saying that...

The ish here is who is the one GOD..it is certainly not Jesus.....

Na lie??.......

And you can't equate Jesus with his Father......

They are not mates.......

The Father is the God of Jesus......

benalvino:

this is from your own bible...
Keep this mental attitude* in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus,+ 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form,+ gave no consideration to a seizure,* namely, that he should be equal to God.

so are humans in that form? or nature? you know that the form they are talking about is same attributes the father has?

which human get ability to create a world... that is one attribute only God can have. so God is not a title like the one satan has... it is Nature of his being. simple...

Which human has the ability to forgive sins??.......

Only God can forgive sins........

Abi??......

And how does Jesus existing in Gods form make him the one God??....

Is paul telling the phillipians that Jesus is the Father??.......

Is Jesus the one God who is the Father??....

And God is a title because satan and all of us are God(s).....

Your argument wan make me tire ooo.......

God don call men God tire......

Have you been paying attention at all??......

deSika: my thread deals with that. I showed you where a certain Yahweh was talking about another Yahweh.u hav dodged them there

And I had replied you with scriptures to cool down your delusion....

The scriptures consistently talks about one Yahweh and not 3 Yahwehs.......

It is your trinitarian mind that is killing you and blind folding you so as to just read false meanings into innocent scriptures.......

I didn't dodge......

Solomon example dey there dey wait for you wey you by pass with your own vain interpretation.......

Did Jesus tell you his name is Yahweh??,......

Eh??....

Or did God the Father at anytime tell you he would change his name to another name??.....

You guys just read scriptures blindly......

The Father has his own name...the Son has his own different name.....

Revelation 3:12

New Living Translation (©2007)
All who are victorious will become
pillars in the Temple of my God,
and they will never have to leave
it. And I will write on them the
name of my God, and they will be
citizens in the city of my God--the
new Jerusalem that comes down
from heaven from my God. And I
will also write on them my new
name.



Please do you see the son has a different name from that of his GOD??........

deSika: shey u see yourself. Showed you where Jesus is called God, you say all of us are called God, showed you where Jesus is called mighty God you say God is almighty while Jesus is mighty, i showed you where The father is also mighty God. You now come up with this. What do you want again. I have do my best.

Oboy show all of us verse wey dey like this...

1 corinthians 8:6...

1 Corinthians 8:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom we
live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came and through
whom we live.



Can't you get a scripture like this instead of traveling from london,to tokyo,to paris and then back to london........

You have done no best my bro.......

Thoniameek: Bro, me dey confuse for here o. If jesus isn't one with God, how come we offer prayer to him? and God himself come say.' if any call upon the name jesus believing, that person, he will answer'? Helep me clearify am abeg o

Jesus has been appointed as mediator between man and God the Father......


Is a mediator equal to the person he is working for??......




I don't see how this simple thing wan confuse u my dear......

benalvino:

again how can God make God God?

he was made like god to pharaoh... the keyword there is like... God is a nature that Jesus and the Father have.
the father said he didn't form any God... so when i said like i mean like god to pharaoh.

the question now is why is a god made to be a god?
you can call it foolish question... but this verse is showing we are not gods simple.

How can you say God is a nature??....

Benalvino are you alright??....

.....

Oboy u dey alright or you just wan argue??.......

Chei nothing wey I no go hear for nairaland o.......

GOD IS A NATURE........

Lol..........

I just don't know what to do with you again.......

I give up o.......

Keep worshipping 3 people o...

Na ya business....

When the end come na Jesus go first slap you for not agreeing that the one God is the Father alone.....

deSika: thats what we have been trying to explain to you. You would either dodge, explain it away or call it a wrong rendition.

Oboy you guys have opened not one scripture to prove that the one GOD is 3 persons and not the Father alone.......

I have opened a clear cut scripture identifying the Father alone as the one God....

I await your scriptures o...

Hiding behind genesis is rather childish and stupid......

deSika: and God said let us make. The person speaking was part of the the persons doing the work. He was not outside the work

And the person who spoke is the oga who calls on his vendors.....

I ask you:::

Why didn't the others who were invited invite the inviter in the first place??......

Why??.......

benalvino:

he was mad like a god to pharaoh oooo... he is not God. to calm his stubbornness... its not like you guys that have so many definition for God... bible says its either true or false... you guys says Jesus is a True God... but he is demi God... where did the bible say Jesus is a Demi God?

the bottom line is it is clear.. the bible is not talking about gods who sick worships or not... cos no idol has ever asked anyone to worship them...

it is clear that the gods that didn't create the heavens and earth will be destroyed.

And what kind of God was moses made??....an idol??......

You are still running around the corner......

Was moses made an idol by God himself or a false God??......

And who ever called Jesus a demi GOD oooo........

Oboy I said Jesus is not the one GOD.......

The Father is the one GOD......

Abi make I use trumpet shout am for ona ear??.........

deSika: you dont get it. Do you. GOD did not send any representative. Now read genesis 11:7 let us go down. verse 8 says it was the lord that scattered. No agents there. In the creation, it does not say 'and God used this to create'.

Acts 7:34-35


34 I have indeed seen the
oppression of my people in Egypt. I have heard
their groaning and have come down to set them
free. Now come, I will send you back to
Egypt.’ [g]
35 “This is the same Moses they had rejected
with the words, ‘Who made you ruler and
judge?’ He was sent to be their ruler and
deliverer by God himself, through the angel
who appeared to him in the bush
______________________________


Please how did come down after hearing the cries of his people??......

Did God come himself or he did that through his agent(an angel)??........

Has it ever occured to you that through(agent) Jesus Christ God the Father created the world??......

Has it ever occured to you??...

Please open that 1 corinthians 8:6 and see that Jesus was the vendor while Yahweh remains the source from which even Jesus himself came into existence.....