@benalvino...

Why you think say bill gates and all of us wey intelligent die know book??.....

You think say na by chance....

Why do you think humans are the most creative of Gods creation here on earth.....

You think say na magic??...

We invent aeroplanes,cars,phones....

Goat,monkey and fish fit??......

benalvino:

the thing is nothing we will tell you that you will accept...

you know the Teaching about "human apostates"
am not dragging them... am saying if shdemidemi and I say anything you wont accept it as long as its not coming from watchtower... Whats wrong with that?

Demi in his post said we kept Gods image but lost his likeness.......

Na you wey stubborn na him remain......

We are inherently Gods image....we reflect his qualities....even atheists are images of God....they are humans created by God......

They reflect intuitively Gods qualities and do have that propensity to gravitate towards God.........

Why do you think we even have that inherent inclination to search for our creator??....

You think say na juju??....

benalvino: you know say when i ask you question you cant answer it without contradicting your self
so finally you agree that we are in adams image too...

Never have I argued that we are in the likeness of adam.......all I have argued is when you say by default we are not image(s) of God.....

benalvino:

thats what we are trying to tell you... to take Gods image in to accept christ... since na wetin we they tell you... If you are immoral you are not in God's image... adam's image and likeness is Curse with death and Christ image and likeness is eternal life. thats the thing... I told you before that both of us are right... But by heritage we are in adams image by default thats why we are all born sinners...

The bolded is what I have a problem with....

By default we are all Gods image......

Don't you get it??...

I know we lost perfection because adam sinned...that never stopped man from Being Gods image by default....

Just here I had defined why we are Gods image....we reflect his qualities wisdom,power,glory,kindness,goodness etc.....NO??,....

Do you know there are some who would never get to hear about Christ but still remain Gods image??.......

benalvino:

lol no... but if they dont tell you, you never take it.

Wrong!!!!.....

You are very wrong.......

Argue scriptures maturely and stop this adhominems.....

If Watchtower didn't write 1 corinthians 11:7 why are you even dragging them to this discussion??.....

This is why I say you are behaving like a baby....

shdemidemi:


We have an invisible image of God in us, the only visible image of God is Christ according to the books. Man lost the likeness/ character of God after the fall but kept the image, we regain the likeness of God by believing the gospel of Christ.

And from the bolded you affirm that we are Gods image......


I don't have a problem with you.......

Na this stubborn belligerent benalvino be my problem.....

benalvino:

hahahahaha i liked the quote lmao. Crying baby. you go kill me for laugh

......na watchtower write 1 corinthians 11:7??...

Yes or No....

benalvino:

instead of you to answer then question you they talk plenty... Answer the question. and answer if we are in adams image or not also?

And I answered boldly....we are in adams image as well as Gods


Chikena......

Na you remain to answer my question in line with pauls affirmative statement....

benalvino:

he will never get it... nothing we say he will get...
and i can show you the reason why he will never get it from their watchtower magazine...

You are just a crying baby.......

benalvino:

Are we in adams image yes or not?

Yes we are in adams image as well as Gods.....No??

benalvino: ijawkid you don't really understand how this is explained...

from Genesis you can see the likeness and image of God Adam have before he lost it... God cursed him and from here the deformation came... we are born in Adams image and likeness... therefore the curse is in us... to revise the curse we have to be in the image of Christ

Question for you... we are in God's image so why do we have to be in Christ image? isn't God's image suppose to be better than Christ image? why do we have to move from God's image to Christ image before God will accept us? i bet you cant answer this... except you agree that we are born in Adams image and likeness. let me go on with explaination

Genesis 5:3... "When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth."
Man [/b]is totally unique among all God's creature. [b]We are the only beings created in the image and likeness of God through Adam. But when Adam fall into sin, God cursed Adam, Genesis 3:19-20, "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return. Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all living." Since Adam sinned, all born thereafter inherited a sinful nature from their parents; Psalm 51:3, "For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me; Psalm 58:3, "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies."

Man in the image and after the likeness of Adam:

In the Heritage Illustrated Dictionary of the English Language:

"Image" means a reproduction of the appearance of someone or something, especially, a sculptured likeness.

"Likeness" denotes the state or quality of resembling or being like something.

"In the creation story the two words are practically synonymous."

1 Corinthians 11:7, "A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man."

A free translation of Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

firstly The image of God does not denote physical likeness for God is a spirit and a spirit does not have parts and passions as a man does.

secondly, The two expressions mean more than man having dominion over nature.

finally, From Scripture we learn that it means knowledge, righteousness and holiness. It refers to moral likeness not physical likeness.

Ephesians 4:23-24, "to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."

Colossians 3:10, "and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator."

Oboy you are running in circles........

Was paul mad to re-iterate that we are Gods image??......


Your problem is you only define one being in Gods image to mean one thing...this has been your problem here on nairaland....

You are so myopic that you seem not to learn.......

When paul said man should not cover his head because he is Gods image,was he talking to adam??.......


You defined likeness and image well....

From the definitions are we not image(s) of God just as paul confirmed??....

Na goat create you??....

........

Even new born baby know this basic truth but you you dey run around dey quote scripture here and there all to prove nothing.....

I had earlier told you exactly in what way we would bear the image of Jesus but you been use ear muff cover your ear.............

shdemidemi:

He was first called a man before he was made to be in the image and likeness of God. The real image of God that we carry is invisible. do you get it?

Demi oooo.......

You are moving here and there......

Answer YES or NO...

Are we Gods image or not??.......

shdemidemi:

Remember Paul is speaking to a believer and not an unbeliever- When you become a believer you become like Adam before the fall.

I believe this is a better interpretation of what Paul is saying


7 But a man should not cover his head, because he is made like God and is God’s glory

How does being made like GOD differ from being Gods image...??......

I tire for ona o......

shdemidemi:

Let us make man[/b]in our image...God made man in His image and likeness, therefore God himself is not a man.

I know God is not a man and has never been a man........

The basic fundamental truth is man is the [b]image of God......simple and short.....

We display Gods qualities......we reflect his attributes.....

You know hear say we be him glory as well??......

shdemidemi:

Bro, man was made in the image of God, we are not the physical image of God cos God is invisible. I can't see anything contrary to that in the verse you have quoted.

But are we not image(s) of God??......

benalvino:
This thread is not for this... I urge you to open a new thread or go to my thread... I will use the watchtower literature

you know when i use it... contradictions of what you believe and what you believe comes out

You don't have to use the watchtower literature....its not your basis for doctrine...

if you are so much obsessed with the watchtower then kukuma become JW's............


All I see is pride.....one who knows nothing but does not want to learn.......

shdemidemi abeg helep your bros.........

Or benalvino let's see how your unfounded assertion would work in this translation.....


International Standard Version
(©2012)
A man should not cover his head,
because he exists as God's deformed image
and glory. But the woman is man's
glory.



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benalvino:

I have already explained this to you... go and read it again...

Should paul have penned down the verse like this??.....

1 corinthians 11:7
New International Version
(©2011)
A man ought not to cover his head,
since he is the deformed image and glory of
God; but woman is the glory of
man.


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I have told you a million times.......we are image(s) of God deformed or perfect......

please find an eraser and clean pauls write up...

Thank you.......

benalvino:

and now we are made in adams image not God's image...

I still don't know where you got this crappy gospel from....

1 corinthians 11:7

New International Version
(©2011)
A man ought not to cover his head,
since he is the image and glory of
God; but woman is the glory of
man.


International Standard Version
(©2012)
A man should not cover his head,
because he exists as God's image
and glory. But the woman is man's
glory.

Is adam God??....

Smh!!!.....

Sometimes I don't know where you are heading to......

benalvino:
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ZZZZZZ[/size]

Me sef sleep wan kill me.....when we wake up we continue......

benalvino:

when it says angels... it says angels there are thousands of angels... I dont know 10% of them... if they commit sin we will judge them.... now tell me one angel that judges humans or angels?

U said if the angels commit sin abi??...

So which angels have commited sin??......kindly tell us....

And you want to know an angel who judges humans or angels??......

Arch angel micheal......

...

Please read daniel 12:1-3.....

Thank you for leading us to this junction....

benalvino:

humans are better than angels...
when Jesus come...
1 Corinthians 6:3
Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

so if Jesus is an angel we will be Judging him? angels cant judge humans but we will Judge angels... i stand corrected... if angels can judge humans let me know.

Which angels are we to judge??.....

Please kindly tell me the angels we are to judge.....

Be careful on this path of argument,because you are about to be debunked and shamed.....

benalvino:

But Humans will Judge Jesus? to judge someone you have to be superior...

Who talked about judging??...ben u sure say u no dey drink alomo dey reply?...

Who talked about judging??......

Oh and that reminds me......

We could also use judging to describe what I have been trying to say.......

Who is the ONE judge of all??......

benalvino: You failed badly with the contradictions... i will give you another Go to try eliminate them.

It is in your brain that it sounds like contradiction.......

Was the wisdom in proverbs 8:22-31 not created,birthed or not??.....

This is where your misery lies....

benalvino:

are you saying humans will Judge Jesus? do you know we will be better than the angels?

Who ever talked about angels judging Jesus.......

When would you be better than angels??.....

benalvino:
i can agree that you dont know what glory is... so i wont talk about this with you... lol learn it.

I know what glory is just as I know what wisdom is in proverbs 8:22...........

you said Jesus is Gods inherent wisdom...I insisted capital NO!!...why??..because the wisdom under consideration was created....

You refused....then I forwarded Gods glory which is man.....if I were you I would assume man is Gods inherent glory....,No??.....

benalvino:

no need to comment on second point... you still dont have case.

this is not about saviors... its about contradiction thank you...
the glory and whatever goes to the source fine... but the source says vendor was not there so how come vendor was there?
is the source lying? your contradictions mounting
you cant run away from this contradiction...

You were stunned to know that even Jesus himself has a saviour,which hit the point why the Father is recognized as the one saviour even though through out history he had appointed vendors to act as saviours.......remember....the source takes all the glory.....

you can keep struggling to agree with me or not....

benalvino:

there is not agent... this is not a 007 james bond case

the son was with him... i agree... so the father lie when he says no one was with him? how do you solve this?
up there you said only the father create... now you said the son was there... ok i pretend to agree with the other two... even if they contradict twice already... to make it trinity of contradictions from you... Did the father lie when he says no one was there?

Do you know that even the angels were there when God created the world??....

NO??......

An agent or vendor being recognized does not negate the Fathers right to exclusive creation of everybody and everything.....

benalvino:

abeg moses was a servant and not an angel... lol see your self? abraham etc are all servants of god... messengers of God... but they are not an angel. dont fight it accept it...

Servant and angel which sounds more derogatory??......



Would u love to see where humans were refered to as angels??......

And once again malachi made no mistake by refereing to Jesus as MALAk which you defined well to debunk yourself....

benalvino:

what definition? keep dreaming...

Please paste the same definition of angleos and malak you pasted earlier on this thread...

benalvino:

Please do...
lol but the bible says without Jesus not a single thing came into being... that mean he did not come into being without him... another contradiction.

And who brought the Jesus into existence??...

It seems the origin of Jesus' life isn't your business......

And benalvino......

Can we from the scriptures also find out if human messengers were called angels??....

Would you like to go on an exposition??....

At least let you myopic views be cleared....

Itsfacts:

instead of you to bow down for the question you just run hahahahaha

Lol.....

Have you replied me on the other thread after your stark olodo brain was schooled??.........

Ben is even trying to reason from the scriptures....as for you ,you are a non entity......

benalvino:

wisdom is Gods wisdom... God is the source of all wisdom... he didnt create his wisdom... tell give me verse where the bible says God kept his inherited wisdom... who God receive wisdom from? [size=18pt]you they talk rubbish[/size]

Did God create his own glory by creating man who is his glory??.........

benalvino:

you forget posses... and thats not the question

And you forgot born,given birth,birthed.....

benalvino:

are you drunk... it is from him everything comes through jesus and without jesus nothing came... from my point its 3 that was involved if you go to Genesis 1 2 but let me not include that... Jesus and the father = 2... no vendor talk or appointment cause it doesnt make sense...

Lol........

How many saviours do we have??......

Is it not the Father alone??......

All glory and absolute recognition goes to the source and not the vendor....

Thank you.....

benalvino:

vendor vendor lol na business class una they
learn for there?

Lol...ok make I change the name......conduit,agent.....

...

benalvino:

now lets assume that he is the one creator... but he says no one was there and jesus was there... lol anywhere you go you contradict your self... hahahaha

And the news is his first created son was with him before the world was born and was a master worker......

This in no way contradicts anything....

benalvino:

phil says he was in the form of GOD... then took the form of a servant(human)... he was never in the form of angel... no where show me one verse...

So Jesus is and could be a servant but not an angel??.....you be mumu ooo......

and malachi dey wait you......keep running like a girl.....

benalvino:

men are called messengers too are they angels? Nope
jesus was a man is he an angel? nope... just leave it you no get case... she how you failed to clear the contradictions?

But you yourself from your definition called Jesus an angel...abi you want make I re-paste am for you??


Your problem is you can't bear to stand the fact that Jesus is Gods messneger/angel.......

benalvino:

to continue... did jesus came into existence through jesus?

He is the beginning of Gods creation.....someone else created him..his Life/existence is strictly on someone....

benalvino:

it was clear you cant dodge it... what you should say is they make mistakes... no try to hide it for them... they make contradictions all over the magazines... tell me make i show you another one?

if I keep arguing with you it might take forever......

Besides I had an interview I was preparing for..needed to concentrate...

If I follow you I no go do another thing.....

you are a very confused person.....so sometimes leaving you to your confusion might help you....

Itsfacts:

Oguy he better pass to stay there than to sacrifice your brain to your faithful and deceit snakes alias governing bodies for brain laundry

You asked a question as to if Jesus ever needed a saviour or had a saviour...

Right in your face you were shown...

Did you learn anything??....