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Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 8:40pm On Jun 30, 2013 |
benalvino:Is Jesus a woman now??...... And are you saying Jesus isn't still the head of man??...because I see you saying ""was head of man""....please 1 corinthians 11:3 was written years after Jesus ascended to heaven,sitting at God the Fathers right hand.... benalvino:And how does that make them one GOD??...... If Jesus shared with the nature of mortal man(flesh and blood) how would that make him an equal with man??...... When Jesus was on earth could you have mentioned any flesh and blood who was an equal to him??...... The Father remains greater than Jesus for all eternity and so remains the one GOD and not Jesus sharing that position with him.... that is why even Jesus calls the Father ""MY GOD"" benalvino: And I told you when I gave you that analogy that obama is better than all americans...because he is the head of them all...if the rest citizens are as good as obama,let them be the head of obama or become the one president with him...chikna!!!!.... benalvino: Enough of philipians my bro...... This scripture does not prove Jesus is the one GOD....... Read down the next verses to the end and you would see who the one God is...the Father |
Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 8:13pm On Jun 30, 2013 |
benalvino: 1...The bolded is a paradox...... You can't be greater than someone and still be an equal to that person.... Namadi sambo who is lesser than Goodluck can't be the one president with Goodluck....no way!!!!! Jesus is greater than man....are we(man) the same with Jesus??....are we ONE JESUS??...do we make one JESUS??.... What you always fail to do is apply your thinking of husband and wife,the Father and Jesus to Jesus and man......you always forget or maybe intentionally avoid extending your analogy to Jesus and man....... The next time you say the Father and Jesus are one GOD or make up one GOD be ready to agree that Jesus and man makes up one JESUS....... The Father is greater than Jesus and remains the one GOD.....the scriptures is not crazy to maintain the truth that the Father remains the one GOD....he is GREATER than Jesus in every way........Jesus can't be the one GOD with the Father because he is lesser than the Father.......no wayo involved... 2...And as regards the word divine I said satan is Godlike in the sense that he came from God........ Satan is supernatural... Satan is a spirit just like God.... You are misconstruing my statements and also avoiding the meanings of the word divine in its entirety.... Where do you think words like divination,diviners all stem from??....... ______________________________ |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 12:56pm On Jun 30, 2013 |
@HISBLUD..... Oboy it seems the HRV is rendering the verses you have put up with respect to to these words found in the scripture... ____________________________ Exodus 23:20-21 20 “See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. __________________________ ______________________________ Also john 5:37-43 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. 41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. _ ___________________________ If Jesus came in his Fathers name/the Fathers name(YHWH) is in Yeshua then I have no problem with the rendering you're forwarding.. By virtue of the above concrete verses from the scriptures I am not too worried of the HRV rendering........ But you're gonna be the one to definitly have problems with the scriptures from genesis to revelation.... YHWH remains one YHWH who decides in whom he would put his name in or who he appoints to act in his name..... ...... Because as we've seen from the for-going verses Yeshua isn't YHWH himself..... Reasons... 1....Yeshua was created by YHWH...Yeshua had a beginning....which collapses your whole hopes of Yehsua been YHWH and also your hold on the trinity,... See below... Proverbs 8:22 NET Bible (©2006) The LORD created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago. GNT 22 "The Lord(YHWH) created me first of all, the first of his works, long ago. 23 I was made in the very beginning, at the first, before the world began. Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation...... GBAM!!!!!!! 2..YHWH does not have a Father and a GOD over HIM... 3...YHWH has never been seen by any man .....I repeat no one has seen YHWH.....even YEshua confirmed it..... 4..YHWH does not die,cannot die,and has never died before(that would mean the end of me been a christian if my GOD can die)... 5..YHWH is not under the authority of anyone.... 6...YHWH does not and has never cried to anyone for help...... Should I go on??..... If it is your plan to use the HRV to delude yourself you are on a very log thing........ You freaking polytheist.... .... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Death Dreams, Help! by ijawkid(m): 7:39am On Jun 30, 2013 |
@OP...hope you've not been having dealings with the demons lately.... Because I just can't understand why you would be dreaming of death and coffins.......... Or have you been watching too much of evil dead,the possessions, And some other horror movies that are messing with your head??......... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 7:04pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino:That's what divine also means.... You are stunting your understanding skills here....... Bad or Good satan is like GOD....... He is a spirit and he is supernatural........ benalvino:Jesus is the one person who exhibits Gods attributes to the fullest....... We are not equal to Jesus ,but we are also Gods image in that we also exhibit these Godly qualities but to a lesser degree........ Jesus and all of us are all images of God..... We all stem from the Father....we all are Godlike(though not to the same degree).... This is why Jesus is called Gods firstborn...... Na him resemble God pass all of us..... benalvino: And yes I stand by my words by virtue of the fact that he came from God...... Satn didn't spring from my back yard..... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:58pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: Isn't satan a spirit just as God is??..... Isn't satan supernatural??.... Those 2 defines what divine means..... And I have asked you....where did satan come from even though he has turned out bad??....... Na you create satan??.... benalvino:The inherent powers satan possesses/ has where did he get it from??....... The spirit that satan is who made him so??... Answer my bro...answer....... benalvino: Your definition of the word divine is so slim that is why you are playing ignorant here....... At least you have come to an agreement that humans can be divine..... benalvino:Being in the image of God sure makes us divine(Godlike)..... That is why God himself tole mortals ""Ye are God(s)...... ...... benalvino: We would attain a full share in the divine nature when we are made perfect...especially for those who would live in heaven....... And like I said even here on earth we are define by virtue of the fact that we are filled with Gods spirit...... We are holy.... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:41pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
@benalvino....when I say satan is divine I mean he is a spirit being,powerful,supernatural......... Abeg no go tell person say I say satan na good person o.... I take God beg you o..... ........ Besides you have only concentrated on satan and abandoned the holy angels in heaven who are divine..... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:37pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: Oboy how do you think the apostles and the prophets of old could raise the dead,prophesy future events,speak in tongues,heal the sick if the didn't have divine powers??.... Like you said divine is from God....so that makes us divine because we all stem from GOD..... Na lie??...... Even message can be divine....... The scriptures are divine..... The church is divine...... The holy angels are divine..... Remember when you talked about holiness??..... We are even holy....... Displaying Godlike qualities in different levels....... Thank you.... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:33pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: Wasn't moses a saviour??... Please answer...... I see you have real issues with titles...... You had better change..... Was moses a saviour??....... And I no dey equate moses to Jesus...... I am speaking from the Fathers perspective....... Can't you just see it??... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:30pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino:Wasn't adam divine??.... Aren't we all godlike??... Let me give you the simplest definition of divine from the scriptures stand point.... It means GODLIKE....... What ever that has stemmed from GOD the Father is divine..... benalvino:Partaking in the divine nature does not negate the fact that we are divine already..... What do you think spirit filled Christians are??.......un-divine??...... Do you know that being filled with Gods spirit makes on divine??..... Exhibiting the fruitages of Gods spirit makes on divine.... benalvino: And where do you think satan comes from??...did he create himself??......didn't satan stem from God??...... And mind you The Father wasn't dreaming when he used his own mouth to declare mortals as men..... Adams death never stopped mortals from displaying Godly qualities..... We are God-like..made in his image and we are also the glory of God.... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:19pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: The bolded shows you are learning.... And mind you I have never said that Jesus is on the same plane with the other saviours God had raised up in the past to redeem his people.....Jesus ofcourse is greater than those other saviours... My point ::::::: The Father sent them all....so irrespective of there assignments the Father remains the one saviour....... If you want to trumpet Jesus' job which he was sent to do,I would equally yap about the other saviours who also did jobs for the Father...and so we would have thousands of saviour alongside God..... If we want to go with your argument we would have argued about Gods right as the one saviour since moses and the rest were saviours...... All I see is you trying to be fixated on the title SAVIOUR and nothing more......... Your bolded answer is enough for me to go to sleep smiling... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 6:13pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
deSika: my dear, am not arguing with you. Am just showing you the implication of saying that the persons to whom "let us make man" was addressed to are not the one God.Your problem is with the invitation and not the fact that this person who was invited by the Father was God the Fathers vendor........ And the speaker stands to remain the one creator because the person he is inviting was his first creation.......... deSika:I would say the Father created the world... But he did it through his son Jesus Christ(Gods vendor)..... Finito!!!!.... deSika: Isn't is creation we are talking about??...... Earth and world all mean d same thing in this discussion..... deSika: And I thought I had asked you earlier who has the exclusive right to forgive sins??..... Haven't I ??........ When one is asked who forgives sins what would be your answer??.... Please .... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 5:39pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino:It is the holy spirit in us coupled with the fact that we are already made in Gods image that makes us divine....do you know that been annointed alone makes one divine??... benalvino:Oboy even the scriptures agree with the dictionary definition of divine........ Abi no be english u dey read for ya bible??..... It amazes me to see that you deny that the angels are divine.... You are deluded my brother... benalvino: Then u have nt understood me...... Satan is bad..correct...how does that stop him from being divine??..... Your problem is that you define a word in one way that suits u and not open to all definitions of a word....... Isn't satan supernatural...??isn't he a spirit??..... I bet you don't knw d meaning of divine.... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 5:18pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: I hope you knw say for your won thread you run leave the definition you give as to why Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation??.... Even when hard fact dey say Jesus get beginning you turn ya eye go another corner..... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 5:16pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
deSika: dont go beyond the scripture, friend. Dont say what you dont know. IF YOU cant show where Jesus was created, then dont say it. If you cant show where Jesus was given ability to create, then dont say it. You would be committing heresy Kindly show us where it is said angels were created... Just a verse would do..... Please...... |
Religion / Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by ijawkid(m): 5:15pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
benalvino: See the meanings of divine.... Divine::: all-powerful, almighty, ambrosial, angelic, anointed, beatific, beautiful, blissful, celestial, consecrated, deific, deistic, eternal, exalted, excellent, glorious, godly, hallowed, heavenly, holy, immaculate, magnificent, marvelous, mystical, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, rapturous, religious, sacramental, sacred, sacrosanct, sanctified, spiritual, splendid, superhuman, superlative, supernatural, supreme, theistic, transcendent, transcendental, transmundane, unearthly, wonderful You can make your choice and tell me wether man,angel,satan. Are not divine.... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 5:10pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: IjawKid Ok this your new rendering fixes just about anywhere Lord is mentioned as YHWH.... Please the part on blue says this YHWH has a Father....... Has that not totally debunked your running around....... Is YHWH suppose to have a Father at all??..... ....... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 5:08pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: ....... Tell me my maths doesn't fit your pseudo knowledge of who the one God is??....... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 5:07pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: Your comment is off the hook my bro... You have already refuted God as one God...... You just refuted God as not monadic... Your teachn is what the scriptures describes as philosophies of men....... And please did the holy spirit know the day and hour at that point Jesus was playing ignorant??....... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 5:03pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Bidam: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. My brother what you are supporting is mere philosophy and has nothing to do with Gods spirit. Revealing truths......... This is absolute philosophy of men.... If you can't see it then steven wonder is way better than you... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 5:01pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Oh and may I also engage in philosophy and mathematics with my deluded brothers........ 1 God splits himself into 3...... One third of this one God comes to earth(becomes flesh),two third stays back in heaven....meaning once upon a time God was no longer a complete GOD but one third/Two third......then I wonder who everybody,including this proposed one third of God was worshipping.....they were all worshipping an incomplete God(two third if not one third of God) So one wonders how even a one third of this God would have exclusive knowledge that another one third does not even know about ....... Or why should any of them even know more than the other at any given point in time when they are not complete........neither of these divided parts of GOD should have complete knowledge while the other remains ignorant....never!!!!.... And the funny part is the last one third of this GOD was not even mentioned as to wether he knows about this secret or not......... . ....... This is what the trinity can do to sane people............ 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 4:49pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: Jesus is which God??....... Your God or whose God??... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 4:46pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
frosbel: Thay have all gone mad..... 3 persons....and these persons each are God,but they run back to say they are one God....... Delusion at its peak.... 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 4:45pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: Oboy nothing dey to think about...if this is how you guys run around the truth with philosophies of men then you are all in trouble....... John 17:4-5 4 I y glorified you on earth, z having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, a glorify me in your own presence with the glory b that I had with you c before the world existed This same Jesus who knew that he had something with the Father(he was in flesh when he made this statement up there) is the same Jesus you guys are claiming was ignorant of an information which only the Father knew because he was in flesh, How are we to even trust Jesus' words at all if his being in flesh impaired his reasoning and the things he said.......... And may I ask for the last time... Jesus knew the angels didn't know the day and hour(I wonder how he even knew that since he was flesh),,he knew he himself didn't know(which you guys are running away from),he said only the Father knows.....where is the supposed 3rd person of the Godhead or trinity in this all important scene??.......did the holy spirit know or did not know or did Jesus miss one person in the Godhead and in heaven as to this important information??....... Oya please beg anony or maybe you can use some plato philosophy to run around this one..... Rubbish!!!!.... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 4:35pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony: You can keep your garbage to yourself...... A dogs vomit is worth paying attention to than to your twisted and satanic philosophy which you spew here........ Godhead(accomodating 3 persons) and trinity my foot....... Meanwhile deepsight is waiting for you...... 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 4:26pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: You are just plain foolish.......... So you look at what anony wrote and run around happy...... Anony just gave a philosophical comment which has no bible backing..... And you are the fool who just said some few comments ago that this Jesus is YHWH..... Aren't you a confused mumu??...... Jesus simply stated.....I don't know......anony and co says no he knows,its just that being in flesh made him suffer from amnesia and could no longer know what he knew before he came down to the earth... I spit on this thread...... Tufiakwa!!!!........ 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 4:04pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Bidam: The bolded blew my mind,what a revelation !!!! God bless you abundantly sir! Na philosophy your oga just write for there o if your brain no know... Anony just declared that God is not one GOD..... Clap for yourself and anony...... It is obvious I'm discussing with philosophers and not bible students..... |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:58pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
Mr anony:Please can you list out the God priviledges that this GOD of yours abandoned in heaven??........ If I can remember well his knowledge was not amongst the list of things my bro..... This same Jesus had the ability to read the minds of people...... Jesus remained the Jesus he was....the only change was that he wasn't a spirit but was flesh and blood...... Jesus was well aware of who he was and where he came from and so had his memory and his knowledge of what ever he knew before descending intact............ Mr anony:Now this is your theory bro....... Lmao.....anony the philosopher.......na ya type them propound trinity....... Now for your info God created this Jesus we are talking about and loved him....... And what do you understand by Godhead....don't tell me you are that cheap to be talking about Godhead as if it is a 3 way in manifold that accomodates 3 persons...... Mr anony:And this is your philosophy......... No biblical basis for the shit you just wrote........ Kindly open just a verse that says there is trinity and also a second person of the trinity??...... Can you see your whole life has been basterdized with human philosophies..... And may I put it to you that the Father nor the son nor who ever you choose to add does not belong to any Godhead...... It is your head that is telling you this and not the scriptures..... Chei........... And the one God remains the Father alone and not a combo of 2 other persons.... Mr anony: I can't undertand thrash.... All you wrote is arrant thrash....... If you believe the persons making up your proposed Godhead are distinct persons and each of them God,then you have no choice but agree that you are enforcing 3 Gods on christianity........ No philosophy can drag you out of this mess you are in........ And talking about who could have reDeemed us from sin.....a perfect life was needed to balance that of adam.......and Jesus who is Gods firstborn was sent and not God himself coming down....... If God came down we would die ehhh...... No one has seen God at anytime..... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:44pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Jesus indeed knew who had all the authority and who had exclusive knowledge of fixed dates and times,which Jesus himself did not know........... Now may I take you back to mark 13:32 New International Version (©2011) "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. New Living Translation (©2007) "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. ___________________________ E be like you wan take us play. Abi...... See Jesus declaring absolute ignorance of an information that only one person in the whole universe knows/knew...... You guys are a very big joke.... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:11pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Abeg help anony answer why YHWH turn ignorant....... because he abandoned his God priviledges...... ..... Arrant rubbish..!!!!! 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Did Jesus Preexist His Birth - Honeychild, Bookmark And Ijawkid Let's Discuss by ijawkid(m): 3:08pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Ahhh!!!!.... And I believe you came here to learn ..right??.... What have I got to learn from polytheists??....... I mean you guys are freaking sick........ What have I to learn from people who can confidently say our heavenly YHWH the Father can die.... Weren't you the adamant fellow who was trying to convince your proud self that YHWH lied when he said that no one can see Him and yet live.....you denied Jesus' own words that no man hath seen God anytime..... And you come out here telling me I have an already made mind set....... Rubbish!!!!...... |
Religion / Re: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by ijawkid(m): 3:03pm On Jun 29, 2013 |
hisblud: fail. The question is, is that verse talking about Jesus, God or angel? Did i ask of solomon? Who? E be like you no ready for better discussion....... Isn't the verse an excerpt from psalms 45:6-7??....... the verse is applying to Jesus but did apply to an earlier annointed king of God ....... Are u satisfied??..... |
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