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Religion / Re: Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This by ijawkid(m): 9:40am On Jul 05, 2013

hisblud: wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
Reread your post
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
Na wa oh, monothiest indirectly, proclaiming the trinity
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)
wahala dey! gin gin (2x)

Wetin dey worry you??....you smoke??.....

cheesy

.......

Can you just show us trinity in that verse??.......

Please....

Can you show us in that verse that says and the one GOD is the Father,son and holy spirit mixed together??.....

If you can't kindly shut down this thread and learn about the true one God of Christians,who is the Father alone.... cheesy

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Religion / Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 9:32am On Jul 05, 2013

@alexleo....

Oya come make we go drill oil....

cheesy

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Religion / Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 9:31am On Jul 05, 2013

Frosbel and alexleo e don do na........

Make ona settle......

cheesy

Religion / Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 12:58pm On Jul 04, 2013

Bidam: My bro.. u don tire for the trinity thread? How you dey?

Me I go fit ever tire for trinity thread??......

Na the day I die I go tire for trinity thread....

Meanwhile stop to collect tithe......

cheesy

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I dey o.....I still dey busy dey read my books like never before.........

Religion / Re: Religion Vs Jesus Christ - Important by ijawkid(m): 12:37pm On Jul 04, 2013

Bidam: Is tithe not in your bible

Bidam the tithe advocate and collecting guru...... cool

Religion / Re: KUMUYI Suspends Son Over Wedding Dress Despite Apology by ijawkid(m): 4:16pm On Jul 02, 2013

Make them leave this boy and him wife alone naaaa..... angry

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Immorality them no commit.......

Make them allow them enjoy there marraige....they did nothing wrong ooooo.......

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 2:38pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi: 18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Genesis 18

Amplified Bible (AMP)

18 Now the Lord appeared to Abraham by the oaks or terebinths of Mamre; as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day,

No record of angels here.

But it has been well established by the firstborn son of God that no one,I repeat hath anytime has seen GOD........

It is up to you to choose who those 3 men are........

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 2:34pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi: assuming I want to agree with you, please show me how you came to conclusion that they were all angels.

My brother.....

The answer has bEen supplied......

All through the times of the patriarchs,those person(s) who came face to face with Gods servants were his representatives and never God himself....

It was like God himself came face to face speaking to his people...

The truth that no man hath seen God is so firmly established......this truth has been re-iterated by all of Gods servants including Jesus ,Gods chief representative and firstborn.......

That is why Jesus said those lucid words at john 6:46........

Let us stick to this consistent truth.....

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Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 2:21pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi:

You did not answer my question still, seem yo u have no answer for calling the three of them angels or do you?

Jesus has answered your question who you should know those men are.....

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 2:17pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi:

We can clearly see that the angel was the messenger in this instance. Can we then infer that it was an angel that spoke with Adam in the garden. I am sure you won't want to say that cos we were not told that, infact, It was God himself speaking in Genesis.

Please check Genesis 18 properly to see who the three men really were.

But in that verse u read it later turned out like it was God himself who sat down there and was speaking to gideon.............

Nobody has ever sEen the form of God....no one.......

And I have read genesis 18 completely....

Those men were the angels of God and not God himself....

This is another example...
______________________________
Judges 13:1-26

English Standard Version (ESV)

1..And the people of Israel again did what
was evil in the sight of the LORD, so the LORD
gave them into the hand of the Philistines for
forty years.
2 There was a certain man of Zorah, of the
tribe of the Danites, whose name was Manoah.
And his wife was barren and had no children.
3 And the angel of the LORD appeared to the
woman and said to her, “Behold, you are barren
and have not borne children, but you shall
conceive and bear a son. 4 Therefore be
careful and drink no wine or strong drink, and
eat nothing unclean, 5 for behold, you shall
conceive and bear a son. No razor shall come
upon his head, for the child shall be a Nazirite
to God from the womb, and he shall begin to
save Israel from the hand of the Philistines.”
6 Then the woman came and told her husband,
“A man of God came to me, and his appearance
was like the appearance of the angel of God,
very awesome. I did not ask him where he was
from, and he did not tell me his name, 7 but he
said to me, ‘Behold, you shall conceive and bear
a son. So then drink no wine or strong drink,
and eat nothing unclean, for the child shall be a
Nazirite to God from the womb to the day of
his death.’”
8 Then Manoah prayed to the LORD and said,
“O Lord, please let the man of God whom you
sent come again to us and teach us what we
are to do with the child who will be born.”
9 And God listened to the voice of Manoah,
and the angel of God came again to the woman
as she sat in the field. But Manoah her husband
was not with her. 10 So the woman ran quickly
and told her husband, “Behold, the man who
came to me the other day has appeared to me.”
11 And Manoah arose and went after his wife
and came to the man and said to him, “Are you
the man who spoke to this woman?” And he
said, “I am.” 12 And Manoah said, “Now when
your words come true, what is to be the
child's manner of life, and what is his mission?”
13 And the angel of the LORD said to Manoah,
“Of all that I said to the woman let her be
careful. 14 She may not eat of anything that
comes from the vine, neither let her drink
wine or strong drink, or eat any unclean thing.
All that I commanded her let her observe.”
15 Manoah said to the angel of the LORD,
“Please let us detain you and prepare a young
goat for you.” 16 And the angel of the LORD
said to Manoah, “If you detain me, I will not
eat of your food. But if you prepare a burnt
offering, then offer it to the LORD.” (For
Manoah did not know that he was the angel of
the LORD.) 17 And Manoah said to the angel of
the LORD, “What is your name, so that, when
your words come true, we may honor you?”
18 And the angel of the LORD said to him,
“Why do you ask my name, seeing it is
wonderful?”

22 And
Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die,
for we have seen God.”

_____________________________

From the above the angel of God was seen as God himself........

In verse 22 manoah said to his wife..

""WE HAVE SEEN GOD""

@shmdemi........

Did manoah really see God??..........

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 1:27pm On Jul 02, 2013

@shmdemi.....let us consider this case of how an angel who represented God came to gideon materialized......he was an angel quite alright,but later in his discussion with gideon the conversation took a new turn like it was God the Father himself who was down there with gideon,discussiong with him.....

Let's see
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Judges 6:11-15

English Standard Version (ESV)

11 Now the angel of the LORD came and sat
under the terebinth at Ophrah, which belonged
to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon
was beating out wheat in the winepress to hide
it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of
the LORD appeared to him and said to him,
“The LORD is with you, O mighty man of valor.”
13 And Gideon said to him, “Please, sir,[a] if
the LORD is with us, why then has all this
happened to us? And where are all his
wonderful deeds that our fathers recounted
to us, saying, ‘Did not the LORD bring us up
from Egypt?’ But now the LORD has forsaken
us and given us into the hand of Midian.”
14 And the LORD[b] turned to him and said,
“Go in this might of yours and save Israel from
the hand of Midian; do not I send you?” 15 And
he said to him, “Please, Lord, how can I save
Israel? Behold, my clan is the weakest in
Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's
house.”
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In verse 11 the materialized spirit being who came down was identified as Gods angel....but in verses 14 and 15 it was as if this messenger of God was GOD himself....

This is a clear example that should solve your confusion as to who those 3 men who visited abraham were.....

The persons abraham saw were Gods representatives.......

God has never literally come down from heaven to do his biddings.....no man can see GOD and live.........what are his messengers there for??....to dey dance azonto or what??.......

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Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 1:16pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi:

You did not answer my question-
Genesis 18:8

"And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; (these three men) and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."

All three ate, but who are these three people?

You said angels-- I ask, how did you come to the conclusion that they were angels?

I gave you answer from the one person who has seen God and who knows that no man has seen God at anytime.......except when abraham saw God Jesus was sleeping or maybe was on hibernation...... grin

If abraham has seen God then abraham must be Jesus........ cool

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Through out the scriptures all those who in their mind thought they saw God face to face saw and met his direct representatives.......

These representatives have spoken words like they were GOD....but they were his representatives.........

Oboy you better go back to the drawing board......

No man hath anytime seen God,except the one who came from God....

Would you like to agree with Jesus who has clarified this issue as to how patriachs of old saw God or you wouldn't ??.......

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 12:44pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi:
Show me how you came to the conclusion-

Jesus gives the perfect answer.......

John 6:46

New International Version
(©2011)
No one has seen the Father
except the one who is from God;
only he has seen the Father.

Abraham did not and has never seen God........

Except abraham is Jesus.....

cool

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 12:20pm On Jul 02, 2013

freedom61:

wrong wrong wrong
yu people carry wrong interpretaions and run with it thinking now we have got it.

lets get down to it, shall we
i was expecting the verse to say "i was set up at a certain time" but no. the verse says i was set up at no time at all but at eternity at everlasting.

2. does set up mean to create.
i set up the temporal tent [canopy] outside, did i just make the canopy. smh

3. now look at the meaning of the word from which set up is translated. it is nacak {naw-sak'} #5258 נָסַךְ
it means
1. to pour out, pour, offer, cast
2. to set, install

the two meanings does not mean to create something. you pour out what has being in existence. you set up already existing parts. you install an already pronounced king [case in point. when a king dies automatically the prince is now the king. the installation does not make the king, it only confirms][case in point 2: i just installed a software in my system. did i just create the software]

summary: to pour out and to install should not be confused as creation.

And I see how you ignored/omitted the other meaning of naquash.which means to create,to born,to beget......

And you also forgot to add when this supposed wisdom said,I was born,I was given birth to,I was formed,I was brought forth before the mountains were settled.......

Na naquash them use translate,born,formed and brought forth??.........

cool

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 12:17pm On Jul 02, 2013

shdemidemi:
please answer my question

Genesis 18:8

"And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; (these three men) and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."

All three ate, but who are these three people?

Oboy they are Gods angels.......

Religion / Re: Bible Said God Is Not A Man But Jesus Is A Man/son Of Man...?? by ijawkid(m): 6:47am On Jul 02, 2013

enilove:

Frankly speaking, you do not know God.
Think on this verse:

Matthew 1:18
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

You expect to see a marital cord tied btw a human being and God his Creator?
You expect God to have a wife b4 He can have children?
Are angels not children of God?Do they have mothers?

Jesus is the Son of God.
Before Jesus came,there was a revelation about his existence. He told the Pharisees in John 8:58
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." This means he is not an ordinary man as you think. As a Son of God he has the attribute of his Father ,so he is God. But not God Almighty.

Now read what was wrtten about him more than 2000 yrs b4 he came:

Proverbs 8:23-36 KJV
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: [29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: [30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; [31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. [32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. [33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. [35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord . [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Look at that verse 13 which says "I was SET UP from everlasting.....
What does it mean to set up?.
It means to CREATE
It means TO BRING ABOUT. etc

Jesus was set up by God ever b4 the world or heaven were created as His only begotten Son. B4 God created the angels.
Even, Jesus categorically said he has a father in heaven.
Since we can read in more than 50 verses in the Bible where Jesus called God his Father,why all these arguements?

I have taken my time to point this out to you because I know you are not a christian. I would not want you to close your eyes to the reality of what you have read above.

Let me add this. After Jesus ascended to heaven,he gave John a revelation.In this revelation,he still called God his Father.He also called God his God.
Lets read Revelation 3:5 KJV
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:12 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

If you are ready to know the truth,take your time and read the book of Revelation from chapter 1 to 6.After u can ask questns where you are not clear.

This is not about argumt but about not missing a divine opportunity.
Anyone who fails to accept Jesus Christ here on earth as his Lord and saviour ,will not have another when he departs from this world,and it will be a great disaster indeed.

Pray to God if you are not sure and He will direct you.

GBAM!!!!!!!!............

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 2:54pm On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

the Bolded point proves that Satan is not Godlike... the scriptures i present proves that we are in the image of Adam... a deformed image of God... Jesus who is the exact image of God has come to help us restore it.

Yes... by nature we are Adam but we need to try to be in Christ image for the transformation to take place... How do you be in Christ image? is my building your morality towards Christ...

isnt a deformed image of God ,still image of God

?.....

i tire for you oooo....

and again if satan is supernatural and a spirit he remains divine ,going by the definition of divine in all aspects of it....

those attributes he didnt get through evolution......

again i would say:::...satan isnt holy...thank you...and i am tired of arguing this issue

Religion / Re: Jehovahs Witness(ijawkid, Truthislight,bernimoore) Teach Satan Is Holy & Divine by ijawkid(m): 2:48pm On Jul 01, 2013

and my answer was according to benalvinos concept and not what i believe..thats my point...remember when i gave the example of the father being all good?/....when Jesus rebuked a man for calling him good,he told them only God is good....that statement does not mean Jesus and all the rest angels and servants of God on earth who have practiced goodness are bad....that statement emphasized on who is the number one....

and my statement to ben which is my stand is that Jesus is neither the true God(the Father) nor a false GOd....chikena...

and as for divine.....

divine does not only mean holy....your whole post has actually painted me bad....

and its not fair...no where did i ever say satan was holy....i know what i am talking about....

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 2:37pm On Jul 01, 2013

And again...if adam with him big head wey put us for this wahala be image of God,why we wey dey try all our best to serve God,dey display patience,endurance,wisdom,justice,long suffering,peacefulness,self sacrificing love no go be image of God....

Abeg no do o......

Adam passed on what ever he was to us......

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 2:33pm On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

we are in a deformed image of God... we are in the Exact image of adam...

We are made in God's image, but the potential value of this image will not be realized unless we become conformed to the image of Christ in our morality..

I understand you completely....but the bolded just agrees with my point and still with the scriptures.........

You can't claim the fact that we are completely not the image of God...that would be absurd.....
Your post suggests that we are in a deformed image of God......that supports d fact that we are still images of God but not to a perfect degree.......

We are still on the same page......

Like I said we have even done better than adam...that is why we are even d more images of God....

We reflect his qualities.......

Chikena!!!....

Simple and short.......

And like I said before ....::::: WE ARE THE GLORY OF GOD..

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 1:41pm On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

the same dictionary says divine comes from only one source? The supreme being which is God... and it also says Divine is Holy therefore it cant be linked with evil.

saying Satan is divine is Bad... bible doesn't even teach that. Bible promise us that we will share the divine qualities of God some time in the future.

the English come from Hebrew or Greek doesn't mean you will base your doctrine on dictionary.

the qualities me and you have today come from Adam... not God.

man was made by the image of God... through sin we fell short and become the image of Adam.

read your bible to understand what divine mean... not dictionary.

Please paste all the dictionary definitions of the word DIVINE.....

Please abeg you....

Oboy I repeat we are the image of God...

Infact if I can remember most of us have even done better than adam by keeping strict adherence to Gods commands and remaining faithful.....

If we are only strictly the image of adam and not of God anymore because adam sinned we would not even serve God at all...

My brother to argue this thing don tire me......

If you no be image of God,I be image of God o...infact I be the glory of God.....

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 1:26pm On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

God created Satan so?

You said he is divine... Satan is ungodly. Period. You cant say Satan is divine that's the wahala here

I defined divine in every way......

Divine means many things........

Don't make it look like I have blasphemed...this is english we are talking about........

This thread is uncalled for...

Make atheists ,satanists and paganists no see this thread if not you go leave am run o....

grin

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Religion / Re: Jehovahs Witness(ijawkid, Truthislight,bernimoore) Teach Satan Is Holy & Divine by ijawkid(m): 1:21pm On Jul 01, 2013

Itsfacts:

Dude I can post all you have said or I can provide links for everyone to see. Once you said Jesus is a FALSE GOD. And many more! No one is Lying here. You people and Mormons teach that Jesus came and pick your religion yet the two of you still disagree with each claiming only their religion is TRUE.

I never called Jesus a false God....it was benalvino who was preSsing that all other Gods who aren't the Father must be false....I was of the opinion that people can be Gods by virtue of the fact that they came from God or because they are Gods representatives and not be false Gods........

I was of the opinion that Jesus is neither the true GOD nor a false God.....

Benalvino pressed that Jesus must be the true God....which ofcourse I don't support and by his own assertions and his exegesis of the word GOD I had to go by his stand that we can then define or claSsify Jesus under false Gods(which ofcus is not my stand)........

So don't come here ranting and misconstruing statements to feed your bile for the JW's.......

And in this post you have openely lied and maligned me,truthislight,and bernimoore by saying that we said satan is HOLY.....

That is a lie...nobody ever said that......

I only said by virtue of the definition of divine in all ramifications,satan can be said to be divine......

I listed out all the meanings of divine........

You better stop this cheap childish act of opening threads to spite people...

Its crazy,......!!!!.....

If you had noticed I don't do that...opening threads to malign persons ,.........

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 1:10pm On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

Satan is not human... you cant be basing your doctrines on dictionary i have told you several times... Define is From God only... divine knowledge, revelation, power, love etc... all are from God. there is nothing bad in divine satan cant be divine because he is the opposite of what God is... he is bad.

My problem is the english you are reading where did it come from??.......

You are thinking I am saying satan is holy....you are misconstruing my whole stand..........satan is bad....I agree oooo.....but what he is fits the definition of DIVINE.....

I am defining DIVINE in all dimensions of the word......and it fits satan......

If satan isn't flesh and blood but a spirit it does make him divine......divine does not have only one meaning........

benalvino:

I feel sorry for the length you are going o.
I use robot for you... when i make humanoid robot that looks like man... it doesn't make it man or manlike... humans were in God's image and when Adam sinned we fell short... Now every human born is in the image of Adam... for us to be Saved we have to be in the image of Christ... I use 2 verse prove this for you... yet you refuse.

Why do you think we exhibit Gods atrributes...??.....why do you think we are altruisitic.....why do you think unlike animals we search for our creator And exhibit Godly qualities??.....

You can't sit down there in your house and discard the truth that we are in the image of God even if adam fell down a thousand times........

And your humanoid robot if it has the features of a man it is manlike.......if it has eyes,arms,legs, etc it is manlike....that is why you called it a humanoid robot in the first place ......

The verses u quoted links more with reSsurection......you have refused to see it from what I said........

We would be animals walking around naked and ignorant of our God if we aren't images of God.......

benalvino:

Satan is not Godlike... he is so Ungodly... he is not divine, Divine or divinity have nothing to do with evil...

Satan is a spirit....he is supernatural.....

Your problem is you think I am supporting satan.......

benalvino:

you said God created darkness... From your own watch tower teaching i read that Satan introduce evil(darkness) to the world... I will say you are making Watchtower look bad from some of the thing you are saying.

I said God created satan.......

And I said what ever inherent powers satan possesses he got it from God.........

Because satan is bad does not mean he is from another planet or another creator created him....

Get my point??......

And I re-iterate.....

I am not saying satan is HOLY.....

Already itsfact has opened another thread to misconstrue my words saying that I said satan is holy......

Make ona no make me vex o......

Religion / Re: Jehovahs Witness(ijawkid, Truthislight,bernimoore) Teach Satan Is Holy & Divine by ijawkid(m): 12:07pm On Jul 01, 2013

italo:

I didnt misconstrue JW view sha o. You once admitted to me that Jesus had come and gone invisibly, if I'm not mistaken. Abi I lie?

Oboy na wetin u dey talk??....

Well I never wan get time...

This thread isn't suppose to exist if itsfact had all the facts......

If I follow ona I fit vex...... grin

...

But make I just relax.....

Let itsfact define what divine means in all ramifications and let him tell us if it doesn't apply to satan..

Religion / Re: A Question For Jehovahs Witnesses And Others: Is Satan Divine? by ijawkid(m): 12:03pm On Jul 01, 2013

Itsfacts: Now you have seen the length JWs can go. I dont know the kind of Jesus or God they worship this teaching is demonic tying the devil with God.

And I put it to you that you don't know the Jesus you claim to be following...

I defined what divine means in all its entirety and apllied it to satan...

Benalvino having a rigid pre-conception comes up and decides to misunderstand whatever point I made on the other thread......

See the major definitions of divine

1...Supernatural
2..Godlike
3..Heavenly
4..Angelic
5..Superhuman
6..Powerful...

By virtue of some of these definitions isn't satan divine...

Ona just wan always make small matter sound big just to malign people.....

Smh!!!!.......

Isn't satan superhuman??..isn't satan supernatural??..isn't satan angelic(though wicked)??....

Benalvino was asking me where satan got his powers from......

Where else did he get it ,if not from God the Father......abi satan come about as a result of evolution or the big bang theory??...

Make ona no make person vex o....

Make ona no open thread again dey behave like children when ona never consider all the facts....

Religion / Re: Jehovahs Witness(ijawkid, Truthislight,bernimoore) Teach Satan Is Holy & Divine by ijawkid(m): 11:53am On Jul 01, 2013

Now you guys have become so frustrated that you have to misconstrue and choose to misunderstand the statements made here on nairaland just to malign the characters of persons here...

Divine was defined its entirety and as such it applied to satan..

But you and your ilks would misconstrue comments to mean satan is good and blabla..

I don't give a damn...

And never have I equated moses,joshua and other raised up saviours by the Father with Jesus.....

If you had been following my discuss with benalvino you would have been able to grasp my point..

But as usual all you want to do is hate on the JW's....

Na your cup of tea be that...

But don't you dare say things or misconstrue words to feed your hatred more..

Its childish...

Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 1:13am On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

man is used to describe human specie... mankind is human specie... human is mankind people use all this terms to describe human specie... there is nothing Wrong here...

And so is woman a man??....

In this context we are talking of the male specie called man from which woman was made from.........

I am saying a woman is not a man......

benalvino:

Better
I am ashamed you don't know what better and greater means and how to apply them. better has to do with nature... Qualities Feature... you can categorize it in different criteria... I am better in Algebra... as Humans Am no better than you and you no better than me... again i am not better than you... i have same features like you... in dancing i am a better dancer than you... this is something we develop by our self. So as per human nature we are no better than each other.

Oboy....all this run arounds to equate obama with the rest of americans??.....

All this to arrive at the junction that the Father is not better than Jesus??...

Your plans no go work...

The Father is greater and better than Jesus.......

Infact like I uphold and like scriptures prop,the Father created Jesus....he is not only greater but also better than his firstborn son...

benalvino:

greater
Of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average...
it has nothing to do with uniqueness or your Nature. bill gate is smarter richer than Obama. He lead the biggest company he has archived more and helped more people than Obama... Obama was voted in to power something he never had... the money in America is not his... after his tenor no one will see him like he is now... he is not above the law... power doesn't mean better... no they talk like small pikkin... immunity doesn't mean better... and he doesn't have immunity. the power is what makes him great but not better... do you know that the image of Mary has a lot of power in the eyes of roman Catholics? does it make her better than you? can Obama come to Nigeria and impose a law? you no they reason at all...

Oboy I don tell you make you no take obama compare obama o.....

If a war starts today bill gates would hide his head.......it is obama whom the whole america would look up to to help them.....

Is bill gates the one running from pillar to post trying to solve the financial crisis the usa is going thru or obama??...

Bill gates might own the biggest company in the world but obama rules the world....

How about that??.......

And I have stepped up the bar....

Imagine if obama is a totalitarian and can live forever and would be the president of the usa forever which law do you think can hold him??....

Which??...

Na who born that person wey go dey better than him or maybe greater in the near future.??.......

And please let's cut to the chase....

The Father is better and greater than Jesus....

benalvino:

Image of Adam
the context made it clear that we are in the image of Adam... And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
we will be like Christ that is why he came to redeem us from the curse of Adam.

And once again you have totally ignored the context of the scripture you quoted....

That scripture was talking about ressurection to immortal life in heaven....

How can one be flesh and blood in heaven??.....

This is why those who would go to heaven
would have to bear the image of Jesus....

You can't tell us that man is just the image of adam alone and not God too......you're streamlining your thoughts to only what you want to know....

benalvino:

If i can tell you who created satan... God created Satan perfectly... He is God of Love... if he force us to love him it is not Lover because he is Forcing us Ok... So he gave us the Right to Make our own decision... then Satan Became evil... God did not create Evil... Darkness is evil and God did not create Darkness... Think o...

If God created the angel that later became satan how does that negate the fact that satan isn't Godlike or a deity.....

And again you are still stuck with your stiff definition of divine,deity etc....

Satan is a supernatural being...a spirit like God...

What does that make him even if he is against God??.......

benalvino:

Again i say live this message thing... we know without Jesus the father Couldn't have done it. he doesn't work alone on Earth... he works with men. Jesus came from heaven to save us. Bible said he is the savior... deal with it forget the who send who part... If you send me to go clean wet ground and i no Go will you be able to do it? or will it be done? so the saving was done by Them both like i always tell you... who send who no matter bible says jesus is the savior. deal with it.

Who send matter......infact the sender na him matter most because he makes the plan and sends his vendor....

All glory goes to the sender.......

benalvino:

Again Satan is not like God he is the opposite.

See response.

Satan is a spirit.......

Isn't he Godlike by virtue of the above??.....

You are just been stiff with your definition.....

And I am not saying satan is a good person ooo..... grin

.....

Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 1:10am On Jul 01, 2013

benalvino:

man is used to describe human specie... mankind is human specie... human is mankind people use all this terms to describe human specie... there is nothing Wrong here...
Better
I am ashamed you don't know what better and greater means and how to apply them. better has to do with nature... Qualities Feature... you can categorize it in different criteria... I am better in Algebra... as Humans Am no better than you and you no better than me... again i am not better than you... i have same features like you... in dancing i am a better dancer than you... this is something we develop by our self. So as per human nature we are no better than each other.

greater
Of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average...
it has nothing to do with uniqueness or your Nature. bill gate is smarter richer than Obama. He lead the biggest company he has archived more and helped more people than Obama... Obama was voted in to power something he never had... the money in America is not his... after his tenor no one will see him like he is now... he is not above the law... power doesn't mean better... no they talk like small pikkin... immunity doesn't mean better... and he doesn't have immunity. the power is what makes him great but not better... do you know that the image of Mary has a lot of power in the eyes of roman Catholics? does it make her better than you? can Obama come to Nigeria and impose a law? you no they reason at all...

Image of Adam
the context made it clear that we are in the image of Adam... And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

Genesis 5:3
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

we will be like Christ that is why he came to redeem us from the curse of Adam.

If i can tell you who created Satan... God created Satan perfectly... He is God of Love... if he force us to love him it is not Lover because he is Forcing us Ok... So he gave us the Right to Make our own decision... then Satan Became evil... God did not create Evil... Darkness is evil and God did not create Darkness... Think o...

Again i say live this message thing... we know without Jesus the father Couldn't have done it. he doesn't work alone on Earth... he works with men. Jesus came from heaven to save us. Bible said he is the savior... deal with it forget the who send who part... If you send me to go clean wet ground and i no Go will you be able to do it? or will it be done? so the saving was done by Them both like i always tell you... who send who no matter bible says jesus is the savior. deal with it.

Again Satan is not like God he is the opposite.

See response.

Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 11:10pm On Jun 30, 2013

benalvino:

Anyhow you choose to define Humans all the point stated earlier are still correct... Man is short for Human... that is by the way...

But u said woman is man...that was a wrong statement..take it back.....

Woman can and is never a man....woman is the glory of man...

benalvino:

you dont know what better means... better has to do with characteristic... Obama is greater than even me but not better. still deceiving your self? Bill gate is richer than the small Obama that wont have any influence in the next 4 years... Bush Clinton and many more were Great but today they are not per with Chris brown cause he has more influence financially and in some certain ways... humans are better than animals... u as a human you are not better than me... better has to do with character, nature, characteristics. great has to do with office. position...

And by all definitions of greatness and who's better,obama remains better than all americans(bIil gates and all the billionaires)...he has so much power than bill gates..he command more honour than bill gates....if obama was to live forever and be the president of america forever,bill gates at no point in time would be beTter or greater than obama....

benalvino:

was sadam better than abacha? if so why do people hate them? sadam was great and he used that to kill people..
again if obama Steal what what will happen... its that time you will know that he is not heaven the greatest... because he is bound my laws and he is not the Final person that implements the law... they do it in Court.

Imagine an obama who has full immunity to do what ever he likes(let's discard democrazy) and also can live forever and be the president of america forever,who can be greater or better than him??.....

Do you know that in your bid to support the spurious trinity which you have debunked by own confirmatory statements you are making obama not the number one person of the world(america) and also not the one president??....

benalvino:

father didn't call Solomon God... I don't want to go that side on how psalmist was quoting from Hebrew.

Please let's go.....

That psalm had its first fulfillment on davids son solomon before it had a later application on Jesus...

Please let's consider the psalms..please!!!.....

And hope you are not arguing that God called mortal men God(s)??...

benalvino:

1 Corinthians 15:49
49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

we are borne the image of Adam... why because of we are borne in sin... image is not how we look 2 legs 2 hands... to be in the image of God beings to behave like Jesus... follow his footsteps.

again someone that is God doesn't have to be made a god...

again human sinned because they want to be like God
"For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
we all know all that comes from Satan is lie...
they already know Good. they don't know evil... but he wants them to know him which is evil...
then man fell short from God... Adam was in the image of God and he fell short... now we are in the image of Adam which is sin and corruption.

Please did you ever sit back to know the context of the 1 corinthians 15:49 you quoted...this scripture is focused on ressurection and the kind of body those who would live in heaven would have....those qualified persons are to be ressurected in the manner of the firstborn from the dead,the firstfruits of those who have died and experienced ressurection to heavenly life....

And I repeat we are the image of God.....aren't we from God??...or did evolution bring us forth??....

Man is the glory and image of God....

benalvino:

we shall bear the image of Jesus...
Satan is not divine... supernatural power that is not from God is not a divine power... Light have no business with darkness that's how divine have no business with evil.

no where in the bible does it say Satan is divine it says we will partake in the divine nature of God...

I know we shall bear the image of Jesus with respect to ressurection....

I know light has no business with darkness..but can you tell me who created satan and then darkness??...

Please where did satan come from??......

From evolution or the big bang??...

Where did satan get his powers from??....from you??...

benalvino:

if we are divine already whats the point partaking in it when we already have it?
You have never answered this.

We are Gods image....

You could be asking how we are holy now.......anyone filled with the holy spirit is divine....infact by defaul like I said we are God(s) by virtue of the fact that we are the glory of God....

The only thing is in Gods kingdom we would be complete....

benalvino:

it is because Jesus is God incarnate... He is the image of god and we are the image of adam...

the covenant God made with Humans was with Adam not eve... that is why when eve ate the apple nothing happened till Adam did... so through Adam man inherited sinful nature and all that have earthly father are born in sin... Mary was born in sin cause he has earth father... Jesus was not Born in sin cause he doesn't have earthly father.

I repeat..we are the image of God too.....the glory of God...

We are Godlike...we exhibit Gods qualities,though not to a perfect degree.....

And I know Jesus doesn't have an earthyl Father ,but a heavenly one....

We know that.....

benalvino:

no man on earth could pay the wages of sin cause they are in sin already... they are in depth that's why i have problem with you when you try to equate Moses as same kind of savior Jesus is...

I know only a perfect man could balance the anomaly caused by adam...

And like we had discussed I never equated moses to Jesus...I only butressed the fact that the Father sent both moses and Jesus....

I am speaking from the Fathers view and not from the view of the saviours that were sent by him and also not from the enormity of the assignments of the saviours that were sent...

The Father sent them all...

The Father is greater than both moses and Jesus,......NO??...

benalvino:
Jesus paid the price with his blood. we are saved. again we are in the image of Adam today sinful nature and not Godlike which is Goodness righteousness.... To be Godlike you become born again and be in the image of Christ so the father will accept you.

We are Godlike..you still can't come to terms with the definition of Godlike in all ramification.....

Remember that you even denied the angels being Godlike,being divine....

You are just hanging on on humans just to escape from your earlier claims which has been laid bare by the scriptures.....

abraham,moses and the prophets who weren't born agains were Godlike...

Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 9:15pm On Jun 30, 2013

benalvino:

Women are man oooo... let us make man in our own image... women are humans... women are mankind... you get the point? Jesus is the head of man and he is man... the father is the head of the son and the son is God... I dont know how you they understand stuff...

Women are not men......my bro...women are women......they are humans..right!!!...but they are not men....

Woman is the glory of man and not the glory of God....man is the glory of God the Father......get your facts right.......

If the Father is greater than Jesus as you have rightly confirmed then stick to that truth and agree with the scriptures when the Father alone is called the one God....

benalvino:

Obama is not even better than bill gate nor Chris brown... people voted him into a higher office... that doesn't mean he has characteristics that we all as humans doesn't have... again think man...
if Obama still what will happen to him? didn't bill Clinton apologize because of small Monica? no they deceive your self... no be somebody attack the french or Italian president? Obama get 3 head?

Obama is better than bill gates and every american...who is bill gates compared to the president of america??.......

Oboy no do o......

You want to compare a business man to one who rules the greatest nation in the world.....

No decieve yaself o......

benalvino:

the father calls him O God... Isaiah and john.... Thomas etc...

The Father calls men God(s)....the Father recommended moses as God to pharoah...

And if I could refresh your memory the Father also called solomon "O GOD"(psalm 45:6-7) before he did on Jesus.....

So you no get where to hold....

benalvino:

before you begin say because we are in the image of God we are divine lol... you are so Wrong because we are in the image of Adam as the bible says.... we need to repent to be in the image of Christ... understand what image means... its not about what we look like o.

Oh sorry....we are the image of God..the glory of God.....adam is the image of God and so are all men......

Image means likeness.......

And you dodged a question I asked.......

I asked::::

When Jesus was found in the flesh and blood nature was any flesh and blood as good as him or better than him??........

Can you please mention just one flesh and blood who was equal to Jesus??......

Religion / Re: "Firstborn" Does It Mean First Created? Jehovah's Witness! by ijawkid(m): 8:52pm On Jun 30, 2013

benalvino:

jesus was head of man... but what was he? man isnt it?

the father is Greater than him... What was Jesus? God... simple... him and the father share same exact nature....

thats why i told you before that obama is greater than you but not better than you... you and him share same nature...

Phil 2:6
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

7
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

8
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

being Godlike is sharing same character of God... love peace and all the good things of God... that is why you have words like ungodliness... Stop confusing your self satan is the last thing that is Godlike you hear... understand bible meanings or use context.

and i still say if we are divine why do we need to partake in what we already are...

you know why Adam sinned? because he tries to be like God... when he is mankind. you are a man not God.

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