benalvino:

you don start with your bible translation bias again... hahahahaha let me look for a bible that mess up the translate as it suits me. lol

lmao Good news is good for romans 9:5 then are 2 peter its weymouth translation that is good.

why is it wrong rendering? because it doesnt suit your believes?

when you say your fellow trinitarians what fact those it change?

you even forgot Titus...

the question is not how Jesus became the one Lord... but its who is the one Lord...

Nope....because even the renderings u used does not call Jesus the ONE GOD......

Did it??.......

Even if I decide not to argue over translations,those verses do not refer to Jesus as the ONE GOD........


Sincere trinitarians know those verses up there have been rendered wrongly,punctuations basterdized all in an effort to support the trinity...but sorry my bro...

The Good news is 1 corinthians 8:6 has shown who the ONE GOD is..


Look at the bolded.......ONEEEEEEEEEE

Enigma: I want to highlight an important point made by benalvino; the point is somewhat hidden amidst posts but is quite important.

The Bible says there is one God, the Father
---- because of this, some say Jesus cannot be "God"

But then the Bible also says there is one Lord, Jesus Christ
---- so, do we then say that the Father cannot be "Lord"?


On top of those, the Bible says Jesus is "Lord of Lords"
---- does that then mean that if the Father too is "Lord", then Jesus is above the Father since Jesus is "Lord of Lords?

Further, the Bible says Jesus is "King of Kings"
---- does that then mean that the Father is not "King"?
---- does that then mean that if the Father too is "King", then Jesus is above the Father since Jesus is "King of Kings?

Jesus was appointed as the one Lord,which ofcourse does not negate the fact that the Father is Lord over Jesus.......

The main focus here is who is the one un-appointed God.......the Father alone.....

And you really brought a point which I should use......

Jesus is called king of kings,nebuchadnezzar is also called king of kings,but the Father alone is called king of eternity....

Why??,,...

Because no one appoints the Father as king or gives him rulership or kingdoms...........

benalvino:

lmao... Is the father the One Lord?
why are you not asking your self that either? enigma gave clear explanation...

mean while let this verses help you... Paul, peter and Isaiah are all polytheist.
then Jesus is GOD...
notice the verses below... concentrate on the bold
2 Peter 1:1 … through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ
Romans 9:5 the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!
Titus 2:13 the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

Romans 9:5
Good News Translation (GNT)
5 they are descended from the famous
Hebrew ancestors; and Christ, as a human
being, belongs to their race. May God, who
rules over all, be praised forever! [a] Amen.

2 peter 1:1..

Weymouth New Testament
Simon Peter, a bondservant and
Apostle of Jesus Christ: To those
to whom there has been allotted
the same precious faith as that
which is ours through the
righteousness of our God and of
our Saviour Jesus Christ.


Wrong renderings which are intended to warp the truth....

But thanks to God even fellow trinitarians know these scriptures you've provided are seriously under scrutiny and its rendering not accepted by all trinitarians...

And if you can remember I asked for a verse that calls Jesus the ONE GOD....

Please take note of the bolded......

Show us a verse if it ever exists that calls Jesus the ONE GOD....

It has been clearly shown without any debate that there is ONE GOD which is the Father....

E remain Jesus....

And as for the one Lord issue...how did Jesus become Lord??.....

benalvino:


I did not say no... my fact is we save our selves... those that mean we don't need the ransom Jesus paid? How do we save our self is it by paying the ransom or following Jesus who paid the ransom.
the trinity did nothing.. forget about the trinity... is Jesus God? you always say yes... no... confused... confused...
the bible teach everywhere that he is God... see my post above.

again you cant dispute that truth.

Elijah was never called God... jesus was called God... the word was God... elijah did not exist as God... But Jesus did... you missing the point here.

Is Jesus the one GOD??...this is the question you all should be asking yourself.......

That is the problem here........

Show just a verse that says he is and this trinity fracas would come to an end.....

It is a shame that you guys have to run around the place to show the one God is not the Father alone(an insult to the Father),but a combination of 2 other persons attached to the Father....

I believe in the one God the Father who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ.....

Chikena!!!!......

2 corinthians 1:3

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and
the God of all comfort

Our Lord Jesus Christ has a God who remains the one God the Father.......link this truth to 1 corinthains 8:6.....I wonder why enigma did not translate Lord in front of Jesus to Yahweh in this verse.......

Enjoy your day........

Make ona dey swim inside ona 3 God confusion......

benalvino:

meh... we save our self by dying for our self?
dont worry about we saving our self... if jesus did not Go to the grave and resurrect... we have no hope.

and i am happy you cant dispute the other part of my post... because it is clear... God with us... he manifest in the flesh...

But the scriptures says we can save ourselves......NO??........we don't have to die for ourselves but we have every right and authority to save ourselves.....you doubt??....

and your understanding of emmanuel is totally lame.......

It is a name Jesus bears because he was Gods representative.......

A servant of God in the past bore the name eliathiah which means GOD HAS COME


Sometimes I don't know what the trinity has done to grown up people.......

Because Jesus was Gods rep he could boldly say and re-iterate that no one has seen God........

Showing he isn't the one God or part of the one God.......

Enigma:

Also, if we look again at 1 Corinthians 8:6, I want to make reference to a post I made some time ago here https://www.nairaland.com/1068073/frosbel-jesus-christ-re-proposition/3#12510482

Extract

1. We start with the famous Deuteronomy passage. Deuteronomy 6

This is the original Jewish "Shema". Here "our God" = Elohenu; while "The Lord" = Yahweh.


2. However, Paul recasts that same Shema deliberately in Christian terms in 1 Corinthians 8: 4-6

Here, "God" = theos; "Lord" = kyrios

I have pointed out elsewhere that in the Septuagint "Yahweh" is translated "Kyrios": Paul is quoted in the New Testament as though he too was using The Septuagint; Paul could not have been unaware of The Septuagint or that it translates "Yahweh" as "Kyrios" . . . .

/Extract


Thus we could take some liberty to do the following with reasonable justification:

1. Yahweh our Elohim Yahweh is One

2. ... for us there is but one Theos/Elohim, the Father ... and ... one Kyrios/Yahweh, Jesus Christ

If this translators had stuck to the original plan you won't be here confusing yourself...

if from the onset Yahweh was kept in its original position we won't be having a problem with the title Lord.........

Your likes started the confusion which you are spewing here...

But in that same 1 corinthians 8:6 it is only the Father that is identified as the one God.....

So I don't know why you are totally confusing your life......

It is plain that Jesus who is appointed as Lord isn't the one God or part of the One God the Father who is the God of Jesus Christ.....

Acts 2:36

36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of
this: God has made this Jesus, whom you
crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”


Jesus was made and exalted as Lord and has not always been Yahweh which your likes replaced with the title Lord......

it is by the will of the one God the Father that the apostles identified Jesus as Lord all to the glory of God the Father the one and only God ..........

benalvino: In the Resurrection of Christ... He says he will raise him self up
the father raise him up
the holy spirit raise him up
we have the trinity claiming to be responsible for the resurrection of Christ.

you reject Jesus you reject the spirit and the father...
you reject the spirit... you reject Jesus and the father...
you reject the father you reject the spirit and father...
the trinity in harmony.

creation of the universe... trinity involved
salvation of men trinity involved...

God said clear the way before me... he says to

---

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Would it surprise u to know that the Father saves us,Jesus saves us,and we save ourselves??....

We are part of the trinity.......

Ask me how and let scriptures role out.......

We are saviours of ourselves...........

Goshen360:

So ONE is not used for Jesus also? Ephesians 4:5



If it is not enough, will you mind explain what God is doing beside his name?

and Yes one is not used for Jesus.......which totally smacks down d trinity....

I want a scripture that calls the son or the Father ,son and holyspirit the one GOD......

Goshen360:

Are you really sure you want scriptures? Lemme show you one:

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 9:14

This single verse revealed the THREE: Father, Son and the Spirit. Other Scriptures called each of them GOD. Can you deny other scriptures didn't call each of the three present in this verse GOD?

This scripture does not in anyway prove that there are 3 persons making one God....goshen you of all persons should know better and not use the scripture above to explain this pagan concept.....

Where in this verse does it say to us there is ONE GOD comprising of 3 persons??.....

For heavens sake the God of Jesus christ the son is the same God of all of us...

Goshen360:

You are asking for scriptures and we show scriptures and yet you say no, it's not enough. Is it only one verse that makes up the whole bible? We have put the pieces together for you and you said no. Just put the pieces together.



And the FATHER did not call Jesus the Son GOD?

But unto the Son he (THE FATHER) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

Father acknowledged the Son as God and the Son acknowledged the Father as God. Who then is God and who is NOT God?

Does this scripture by anymeans says the son is the one God??...

Please goshen answer......

Ephesians 4:6 and 1 corinthians 8:6 didn't beat around the bush to identify who the one God is....the demons who had spent aeons of years never for once danced around to immediately identify who Jesus was.....

It is only trinitarians who would run from ebute metta to delta state to prove this 3 headed doctrine called the trinity...

And may I remind u that the hebrews 1:8 which is an excerpt from psalms 45:6-7 had an earlier fulfillment on solomon before it did on Jesus.....

The Father even calls us God(s)....so your use of hebrews 1:8 is as lame as it can be...

Show me a scripture that says the one God is Jesus or a combination of 3 persons....

Goshen360:

I don't argue the scripture you quoted. Bible never refer to Christ as gods. Even you are god but every gods that have NOT CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL PERISH UNDER HEAVEN, Jeremiah 10:11 but we know Christ didn't perish but resurrected and alive and scripture says HEAVEN AND EARTH WAS CREATED BY HIM. You should know what 'gods' mean in the context of that verse you quoted.

We go see tomorrow.

But goshen don't tell me you didn't see the clause ONE attched to the Father alone.......

It is not enough for you to say Jesus is called God.....

All we need from trinitarians is quote a scripture which is like 1 corinthians 8:6 that associates the oneness of God to 3 beings or just the son alone just as it did with the Father.......

I want to see a scripture that says but to us there is but one God the son......or that to us there is but one God the Father,son and holy spirit.......

Oneness is the issue here and not just individuals being called God(s)......

The faithful angels are called God(s) and not one of them would face destruction....

The demons who recognize that God is but one,recognizes only the Father as that one God and not a combo of 3 persons making up that one GOD......you quoted james to prove that point...no demon nor satan would see Jesus and say he is the one God or part of a one God...never!!!!!!...the demons and satan who lived in heaven with Jesus knew/knows Jesus is not and was not the one God or part of a conglomerate forming a one God....they all knew Jesus was Gods son and not there God ....

It is only the Father that is the one God.....that is why Jesus can rightly call that Father my GOD just as you and me would do.......

Hilarious thread....

I could remember when I was 5,I and my twin sister picked up a used ciggerate that was still lit.smoked it and went crazy...

Our eyes and heads turned 360 degrees.....

....

But thanks to Jah I aint no smoker today......

.....

igbsam:


List of 35 #Pedophile senators that voted for underage girls to become bride.

1. Sen. Abdulmumin M. Hassan (Jigawa South West, PDP)
2. Sen. Abdullahi Danladi (Jigawa North West,PDP)
3. Sen. Adamu Abdullahi (Nasarawa West, PDP)
4. Sen. Ahmed Barata (Adamawa South, PDP)
5. Sen. Akinyelure Ayo (Ondo Central, Labour Party)
6. Sen. Alkali Saidu A. (Gombe North, PDP)
7. Sen. Bagudu Abubakar A. (Kebbi Central, PDP)
8. Sen. Dahiru Umaru (Sokoto South, PDP)
9. Sen. Galaudu Isa (Kebbi North, PDP)
10. Sen. Garba Gamawa (Bauchi North, PDP)
11. Sen. Danjuma Goje Mohammed (Gombe
Central, PDP)
12. Sen. Gobir Ibrahim (Sokoto East, PDP)
13. Sen. Gumba Adamu Ibrahim (Bauchi South,PDP)
14. Sen. Hadi Sirika (Katsina North, CPC)
15. Sen. Ibrahim Bukar Abba (Yobe East, ANPP)
16. Sen. Jajere Alkali (Yobe South, ANPP)
17. Sen. Jibrilla Mohammed (Adamawa North,PDP)
18. Sen. Kabiru Gaya (Kano South, ANPP)
19. Sen. Lafiagi Mohammed (Kwara North, PDP)
20. Sen. Lawan Ahmad (Yobe North, ANPP)
21. Sen. Maccido Mohammed (Sokoto North, PDP)
22. Sen. Musa Ibrahim (Niger North, CPC)
23. Sen. Ndume Mohammed Ali (Borno South,PDP)
24. Sen. Sadiq A. Yaradua (Katsina Central, CPC)
25. Sen. Saleh Mohammed (Kaduna Central, CPC)
26. Sen. Tukur Bello (Adamawa Central, PDP)
27. Sen. Ugbesia Odion (Edo Central, PDP)
28. Sen. Umar Abubakar (Taraba Central, PDP)
29. Sen. Usman Abdulaziz (Jigawa North East, PDP)
30. Sen. Ya'au Sahabi (Zamfara North, PDP)
31. Sen. Zannah Ahmed (Borno Central, PDP)
32. Sen. Ahmad Rufai Sani (Zamfara West, ANPP)
33. Sen. Ahmad Abdul Ningi (Bauchi Central, PDP)
34. Sen. Bello Hayatu Gwano (Kano North, PDP)
35. Sen. Ibrahim Abu (Katsina South, CPC)

These Northerners wants to bring in Sodom and Gomorrah to Nigeria.

They are all a disgrace to the human race.....

......

Useless men.....

obadiah777: BOMB ALREADY OR SHUT THE FORK UP

Oboy u want make casala burst??.....

Let them excommunicate him from the church and his azz sent to jail.....

.......

benalvino:

get out there...

wey u for allow me make we tag team...

i no go play with u again...

all of ona don craze finish for this thread.... .....


na so trinity get flenty flenty versions ....

make i sit down then look who define am pass....

these indian men are mad people...... .....

i hope they are arrested and jailed for all eternity,,.....useless men....

.....cheiii.....shl and numericals don show my people real pepper......

See all this our actors don old finish...

alexleo:

Make e no tire you bros. Call it slander, call it false or anything you want. it doesnt hold water. I stand on the description of the punishment in Revelation 20.
You people always say we should stick to the scriptures yet you add your own words. It doesnt work that way na. We have to stick to what the scripture described as the punishement in Rev 20:10, not your description of destruction.

and the purnishment is second death which means total destruction....


if death died in that lake of fire why should satan not die(be destroyed)??....abi would satan also gain immortality??...

alexleo:

I ve given you my reply. I can't accept your description and ideas. I ll stick to what the scripture says. Period.
I wish you well in your exams. No do expo o...lolz...

you know i am a child of God....i no go ever touch expo..,..

but my bro...the scripture to scripture description i have given is not of my own initiative....it is the scriptures....

let me ask you??...

from your stance are you saying satan would gain eternal life a gift from GOD and not be destroyed just as was planned by GOD??....

you agreed deATH was destroyed,but refusing satan would not be destroyed....is the lake of fire selective of who or what to destroy and what to preserve alive for all eternity??...

alexleo:

Revelation 20:10 did not tell us that they will cease to exist rather they ll be tormented forever and ever. I cling to what the bible said not your own ideas. You don't torment what ceases to exist.

but if death died in that same lake of fire why should satan and wicked people stay alive and continue living??...

has 2 thessalonians 1:9 not solved the problem??....DESTRUCTION

alexleo:

Do you want to change what is written in revelation about the devil and his angels and the fals prophet being TORMENTED forever and ever in the lake of fire? Where did it say or suggest that anything that enters lake of fire ceases to exist here. Pls don't add yours. The place you quoted, paul talked about the punishment while in revelation John was shown the nature of the punishment. You don't need to define or describe it for us. We ll go with scriptural description of the punishment not yours. Moreover I don't argue with JW so don't worry. Let me continue with frosbel. I don't know yet if truthislight is JW too.

see me see wahala o...so na JW isssue be this again??....mayb i should create a different i.d and come debate with you...would you like that??...

i just used scripture to explain scripture to settle this wahala you are facing...


2 thessalonians 1:9 just aided us in getting a full understanding alongside with what happened to death that was destroyed completely....

let us reason well...

i dont see why you guys are indirectly arguing that satan would gain eternal life....

.Then what exactly did God and his son Jesus accomplish if satan would also gain immortality??....

abeg make i go write another exam jare,....

continue with frosbel...

frosbel: To support the erroneous position of eternal torment , we have to define death as something else.

God makes it quite clear that death means death , but we are made to believe that death does not mean cessation of existence but rather separation from GOD. This is false.

they say thAT THE death in revelation 21:3-4 applies only to the elect...fine!!!!.....and they agreed that death was destroyed(ceased to exist),because as we know the overcomers wont die again...


why are they running away from the clear facts that satan and all wicked persons who are also thrown into the lake of fire would cease to exist(destroyed)??....

@alexleo i"m waiting for you....

alexleo:

Yes no more death for the overcomers in the new heaven and new earth. The no more death pronouncement has nothing to do with those who has been cast into the lake of fire in chapter 20. These things are clearly stated there in the scripture. Except you want to mix things up, which is not allowed in this discussion. We have to stick to the scripture bros. Even verse 8 of chapter 21 also mentioned about sinners who are cast in the lake of fire, that is after it had declared no more death in verse 4. No more death has nothing to do with sinners. Thanks.

you have failed to see the real thing....

THE LAKE OF FIRE

if the death(which the overcomers wont experience again because it has been destroyed) that was thrown into the lake of fire ended up in non-existence for all eternity, why should the other elements that are occupants of the lake of fire continue to literally exist forever??is there selective destruction in the lake of fire or doesnt the lake of fire in its entirety symbolize complete,total and absolute destruction/obliteration??....

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,..


nothing goes into the lake of fire and contiues to exist....

Adam and eve are in there graves..........

nku5:
I am sure Governor Amaechi is ready for truce now, but those who understand his psychology tell privately that he hates defeat (just like the president). The governor is apprehensive of the president's history with his old adversaries, like Chief. Timipre Sylva, who after a truce with the president still got axed. For Mr. President's surrogates, they really do not see any political consequence in the state, they calculate that with or without the governor the President will win the state if he decides to run in 2015. They are very correct, but there are wider implications unforeseen.

Ameachi is really really in trouble because the bolded is so correct about Mr president.....

Either way ameachi would have to regret his insubordination to Mr president...

He unrelentlessly keeps fighting the oga at the top he gets grounded,he concedes to Oga he still gets axed....

Wahala all over the guy......

benalvino:

Lol if i call name they might ban me... but the girl's name was Aisha...

......

Which aisha??....

The one wey dey news cast for NTA abi CNN??...

Na which prophet be that

Let's read 1 corinthians 11 from verses 1 - to the end.......


What was really pauls message??.......

He talked about head ship and who antecedes who......

Please let's consider it closely.......


Are un-christian men not head of women??......

Are un-christian women not the glory of un-christian men??....

Please as u answer link it to the image issue....

We have to take a close look at pauls words and meanings...

benalvino:

lol you agreed now you disagree again.

You never agree with me and paul completely.....

.....

Read this post wey u quote now.....

When paul made that statement from what perspective was he viewing from??...

Creation or acceptance of Jesus??....

@benalvino.....

Abraham,moses,daniel,joseph,ezekiel,david,solomon, and all the faithful patriarchs who lived before Christ was sent were who's image??....

Goat,monkey, or Gods image??......


Infact a closer look at pauls words explains everything...

Pauls words were directed to men in general wether christian or not...

That is why he could say women are mens glory(creation wise)........

Paul was saying those words with respect to creation and not who accepts Jesus or not......


Gbam!!!!!.....

Point made and closed....

benalvino:

you know i can provide your statements that will contradict what you just said now... just now you ask me if Adam is God that we are in his image... now you are saying you never argued that but its when i said its by default. lol

No contradictions...it is you that it would sound contradictory to.......

something sounding contradictory to you does not mean it is contradictory.........

It is only in your imagination that it is contradictory......