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Ibime:
Please go and ask him where Israel beheaded someone. We don't need long story

The simple question is, how much worse is beheading a journalist than shooting them in the head?
You seem either unable to or unwilling to answer.
And you seem to be indignant about one while you rationalize the other.

Lol.
One day to the Next.
Cult indeed.

Ibime:
Did they behead him?

No shìt Sherlock, a place where bombs are dropping and projectiles are being fired is dangerous for any living thing, even cats, dogs and hedgehogs

Her, and I guess beheading someone makes them more dead than shooting them through the head.

Yeah it is a very dangerous, esp when there are a lot of random bullets and bombs from Israeli soldiers that seem to randomly find and kill all these journalists and aid workers in marked vehicles and wearing marked clothing.

This is my point about Israel being a rorschach test.
In this post you just rationalized assassinating an American journalist by shooting her in the head and that Israel routinely kills Journalists and Foreign Aid Workers.

This should be easy.
Everyone should be able to say, "Purposefully Killing Journalists(and she was American) and aid workers is wrong. And Israel should be held accountable for that."
You should ask yourself why you can't.

Ibime:
Let me quote him again, when did Israel behead journalist. To cut and join an accused with another is lying.

As for Al Shifa hospital I've never seen a hospital fight against a whole army division for 2 weeks. I'm sure if Nigerian army march on LUTH today, they will pass through the Hospital in 10 seconds. Hospitals now have standing armies that can hold off a division of a super powers army for 2 weeks. The Chief Medical Officer of the hospital should be promoted to Field Marshal for such military genius. Any body found there is a terrorist or a victim used as human shield by the terrorist.

Israel killed a US journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.
Then they lied about it repeatedly and covered it up with the help of the Biden administration.
In fact Israel has become one of the most dangerous places for journalists.
Yeah, all those clearly marked journalists and aid workers killed, some American were purely all accidental (wink wink).
So, no, you are only safe in Israel, even as an American, if you support Israel.

It takes a lot of rationalization to believe everything Israel says is true is true.
Btw, where are those WMD Netanyahu swore Saddam had? Have we found them yet?

cococandy:
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It’s giving the Rwanda genocide where the oppressors were okay killing the other tribes because they are “roaches” not human.

Exactly it.
There's an underlying current of dehumanization.
I'll go as far as to say that anyone who is read up on and still supports the current version of Israel also believes that there are certain people who are subhuman and unworthy of the same rights and freedoms others have.
Shades of colonialism.
But ey, some in this thread wish they would have been slaves in the US.

Some people in this thread drank bleach instead of kool aid.
And they think because they did, they are white.

Some very willfully shameful posts on here.

nateevs:
These guys will spend long sentences describing all the supposed humanitarian side of Israel. When you point out their atrocities, they say, hey! Look away from here, see what Hamas did, see what Iran did.

Atrocities don't get worse than beheading a journalist, and these guys support it. But Iran is bad.

Atrocities don't get worse than Israel literally executing people, hands tied behind their backs, and mad burying them outside Al Shifa hospital.

But but Iran.

Israel is a rorschach test for people's humanity.

GloriousGbola:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7SOc_8IhSY?si=S9OsQx-fwf9Wax0K

Bad acting ad, lol. But yeah, the unidentified agents are a problem.

Netanyahu is such a liar.
Iran: Weeks away from having nuclear weapons since 1995

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JC56Ltg5zDE

What is going on in the US.

This is now 40 characters or more.

And as to Tucker Carlson, I can't imagine how a guy who went to Prep school, wears boat shows and short vamp penny loafers and laughs like a dweeb is the Republican every man and hero to the working man.

The MAGA movement is so ridiculous.

A Republican US Senator who is currently pushing his country into war doesn't even seem to know the population of the country he wants to fight.

And it's not just a gotcha question, it has real world consequences for both waging the war and it's after effects.

And it's Fox News' ex chief propagandist calling it out. And also calling out his old network that he used to propagandize on being a propaganda tool.
Crazy timeline we are in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTqFuA1FeM

Why is this site banning Bluesky links?
Posted a couple of posts with Bluesky links which were summarily deleted my account banned.

cococandy:
Iran has been “on the verge of a nuclear bomb” for 30+ years. At least according to Satanyahu. Every few years he comes and drums up congress into funding another war for him because so and so are a few days or months away from developing nuclear weapons.

Netanyahu keeps pushing US into wars to force regime changes in the Middle East. Maybe he’s the one who needs to stop leading Israel make we see something first. Wonder what a different leadership in Israel could look like for the Middle East and the rest of the world.

I used to not pay attention to those issues because I believed if they came to the agreement to go to war to protect American interests, then it must be for good reason. Or so I thought. The happenings in recent years has demystified all of them . Now that I know they weak, emotional and easily manipulated men, I can’t help but wonder how long we all folded our arms and let them kill innocent people to “protect” American interests.

Since everyone agrees that Iran is a terrorist country that shouldn’t own nuclear weapons why is it hard for them to understand Israel is no different? Yes has been committing terrorism that I can see with my own eyes. Does the definition change based on who the victim is?

Your right, it infuriates me that any leader of another country can come into the US, lie to Americans, drag us into a war (Iraq war) where we lost so many young lives and which cost us trillions. And after doing that, is comfortable repeating it by spinning the same type of lies so America can again be caught up in another war (Iran). He truly thinks Americans are mumus. And I don't blame him because we are acting like it.

But the problem for Israel is that the more people see and understand what is happening, the more viscerally people will dislike Israel. Not Jewish people but the state. You just can't unsee the massive death and destruction.
And the further danger is that since Israel is a Jewish state, people will in turn focus that anger on Jews.
I'm not sure Israel is seeing the long term effects of all of this.

Ibime:
No I don't do moral equivalence

I'm a practical man who can understand the difference between genocidal death cult targeting people just for being different and collateral damage when targeting a combatant enemy.

Just like Boko Haram enter a village and kill everyone and Nigerian army kill a few villagers while dropping bomb on Boko Haram. They are not the same and can never be equivalent

Put the Israeli shoe on Irans foot and 2 million Gazans will be dead, not 50k

I also understand why for practical terms you may section off a people that attacked you with genocidal intent in 1948 and cannot live amongst them for your own people's safety just 3 years after an epic genocide. And I believe a solution for the Palestinians will be worked out with a period of peace for Israel and not having to fight off genocidal wars and attacks every few years. And no, I am not a Christian, I don't hate muslims which many of my friends are, including my daughters Godfather. Just a practical nucca not driven by emotions.

But you dodged the question.
Is killing scientists with car bombs in the middle of a city terrorism?
Are you saying scientists are enemy combatants or are they the collateral?
The word terrorism is dependant on who is using the term and perspective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

In terms of the sectioning off after 1948, it seems you see the experience from Israel's perspective alone.
But, I see it through the perspective of colonialism and the occupier vs the occupied.

[quote author=Ibime post=135789484]Nucca there's nothing amorphous or propaganda about the word terrorist when describing the terror networks directed by Iran

And if you are stewp√d enough to let your emotions get in the way of factual observation, I can drop you in the middle of them like this Tanzanian brother with your Hamas friends, or I can drop you in the middle of Tel Aviv the Søybøy capital of the world for the night of your life.

Hamas executed an innocent Tanzanian student who was studying agriculture in Israel

Your thoughts on this pic.twitter.com/QR76SYhK6g

— Mr oswagoh🇰🇪™ (@oswagohmikel) October 28, 2024

you don't understand that the word terrorist is amorphous is my point.
This may help. When Israel uses car bombs to kill Iranian scientists in the middle of the day is that terrorism?

All that moral equivaism must be hard for you when it seems you see Muslims as evil and Israelis as good.

Ibime:
The Jews warned America not to go after Iraq as Iraq under the Baath party was a stabilising force that kept the Shia in balance. Saudi said the same.

Huh?
This is a wholesale revision of how we got into the Iraq War.
We fought the Iraq war because of Israel. Period. Full Stop.
Netanyahu was the chief instigator of that policy.
There are literally reams of footage of him saying Sadam must be stopped before he got a Nuclear bomb just like he is now with Iran.
You can't have a credible take on what is happening now if you don't know what happened with Iraq.

This was his Congressional Testimony after 9/11 in the runup to the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AkcI-ncUpE

Ibime:
Keep ranting emotionally

When Iran sends missiles tonight, Jordan will put pilots in the air to intercept them

That's what you do for a reliable predictable partner

You dey talk rules? When almost all countries in the UN were condemning the Russian attack on Ukraine, Iran was sending thousands of drones and missiles to kill Ukrainians. Where have Iran and Ukraine ever crossed paths before?

Difference between a mad dog and a consistent and predictable partner

Go on another rant

When people do the "emotional" argument and try to insult people it's generally because their facts and arguments are weak.

You started with the amorphous propaganda term terrorists. -Weak.
Then rolled into calling people anti war because they are anti stupid wars and anti people dying unnecessarily. Without even the understanding that Dems were generally right about all the wars they were against even Iraq. -More weakness.
But you must be proud to be pro war.
Then you argued that Israel has great relations with its neighbors like Jordan while the King of Jordan is literally trashing Israel today. -Definitely weak

You're talking about Iranians sending drones to kill Ukrainians, but why is the US sending weapons to Israel to kill Iranians, Palestinians and Lebanese? I don't speak on that as, well I'm American and that would be hypocritical.

And talking about inconsistent partners, you may want to the google the US Navy ship that Israel bombed, how Netanyahu lied us into Iraq (how many soldiers died there?) etc. etc.

Ibime:
I no go talk again on the matter. I done talk my own, I don't do.emotional rants

What the Jordanian king said was facts.
What Bernie Sanders said was facts.
The lies Netanyahu testified to in Congress to get us into the Iraq war are facts.
That the US Intelligence view is that Iran didn't have a Nuclear Weapons program while Netanyahu was on TV lying that they would have a bomb in days are facts.
What is going on in Gaza are facts.
How Israel acquired the land in the Middle East are Facts.
The Nakba is a fact.

Not accounting for those facts are emotions.

Here is Bernie Sanders on this current situation.
I agree with him 100%

If he wasn't Jewish they'd call him an anti semite.
Well they do still.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB8eC0sd-jA

Ibime:
The peacemaker is Israel who have great relations with all their Sunni neighbours (Jordan, Saudi etc) who attacked them in 1948 and 1967. Because they have shown themselves to be a reasonable and dependent state

The war makers are Iran who through their terrorist network have wiped out the Christian population of Lebanon in the 1980s, wiped out Sunnis in many jurisdictions in the Middle East., wiped out swathes and oppress the 65% Sunni population of Yemen through the Houthis, wiped out families, kids and dogs in Israel out of nowhere via Hamas and attacking Israel from North, South and East. A genocidal death cult regime who only a bleeding heart would look at and ignorantly call himself a peacemaker while he is actively pursuing your destruction and genocide in words and deed.

The Sunni countries of the Arab world are praying for Israel triumph over the coming days and weeks.

Great relations? Did you really just write that?
When you say great relations, you mean that they get along with Israel to collect money from the US?
And how many people have Israel wiped out this last year?

This is the Jordanian king today.

"There is no telling where the boundaries of this battleground will end… The attacks on Iran threaten a dangerous escalation in our region and beyond," he said, as quoted by Arab News.

"If our global community fails to act decisively we become complicit in rewriting what it means to be human. If Israeli bulldozers continue to illegally demolish Palestinian homes, olive trees and infrastructure, so too will they flatten the rails that defy moral grounds," he added.
"What version of our humanity allows the unthinkable to become routine, permits weaponizing famine against children, normalises the targeting of health workers, journalists and civilians seeking refuge in camps,"
https://www.tbsnews.net/worldbiz/middle-east/israels-offensive-iran-threat-everyone-jordans-king-tells-eu-parliament-1167476

You are either for a rules based order or you aren't. You can't pick and choose when those rules serve you and abandon them when they don't.

Israel has reached peaked levels of hypocrisy here.
Iran shouldn't have Nukes but neither should Israel.

Ibime:
I'm not shocked, they have always been. Extreme right being antiwar is the new phenomenon.

But this is not antiwar, it's stewp√dity like refusing to fire on Boko Haram and calling yourself anti-war, you must be boooonkers

Too many labels. From terrorist to anti-war to pro-war.
What do any of them even mean?
Everyone should be against war or in order words, death and destruction if it doesn't serve a purpose and if there are other means to serve the same goal.

Matthew 5:9: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God"

LordAdam16:
E shock you say Leftists are anti-war ba?
An age-old tradition.

Anywhere-belle-face Jon Snow.

😂😃

-Lord

Easy for you to be pro war when you aren't even in the US.
Oga, the US helps those who join the military gets access to US citizenship.
You want to be in the US so bad, join the US military and go fight Iran.

Since you won't do that as it's easier to be a tough guy when there are no consequences, why don't you tell us how Iraq worked out or even how Afghanistan worked out for the US.

Ibime:
Ain't got time for this

Insert 40 character addendum here

The word terrorist in itself is propaganda.
Look at Gaza or what is going on in the West Bank and tell me how anyone can argue Iran is a terrorist state and Israel isn't.
Israel destruction terror and killing is better because ....?

We in the US have done this with Iraq and seemingly haven't learned a lesson in allowing Netanyahu to lie and manipulate us into another war.

Netanyahu speaking to Congress about Iraq.
Now with hindsight we can see how much Bullshit he peddled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHzSr52fZLQ

Ibime:
Ogbeni park well and make peace with the fact that the terrorists are being decimated. Terrorism no fit you or anyone who claims to cherish "freedoms". Since Iran wants to behave like a Boko Haram instead of a normal state, they should get the Bolo Haram treatment. Ukraine were minding their business, they went to provide massive drones to kill Ukrainians. Israel were minding their business, they sent terrorists from all angles at Israel to be killing women and children and civilians. Saudi were minding their business, they sent Houthis to be bombing Saudi refineries. Iran regime is not regime any reasonable person should cap for. Make we drop you inside Tel Aviv 2 years ago, or drop you inside camp of Houthis, Hezbollahs or any of their terrorists, make we see which one you choose.

Who gets to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't?
Who gets to decide whose assassination is moral or whose is an act of terrorism?
Who gets to decide who are Prisoners and who are Hostages?

I don't see in what world you can label Iran a terrorist state and not label Israel a terrorist state as well.\
One can't both argue that power is right then get upset when other people use their power to create their right.

What right did Israel have to attack Iran and destroy their Nuclear program?
Doesn't Israel have a Nuclear weapons?
So, what makes them the decider of what anyone else does?

I'm not a fan of Iran, but it is clear what Israel is doing.
In order for them to be the top dog they can't let anyone else in the area progress technologically.
This is what this is about.
In order to wipe out the Palestinians and claim their land they have to have no one who can challenge them.

This whole thing is similar to colonialism and the belief that there are certain people who are created better than other people.
And thus believe their lives hold more worth and thus have the right to control and determine how others live.

If anyone in the region cares about Nuclear weapons, they should give up their nuclear weapons and then make the case for no one having Nuclear weapons.

That's not what Israel is doing.

EnlightenedUFO:
Give up bro, just give up. What you doing is just so shameful, don't you feel shame?

The ability to feel shame left Raumdeuter long ago.
Read his posts here.
I like to believe there is Redemption for everyone. But reading posts like his in this thread, from people who foster Evil, I'm not so sure.

raumdeuter:
Will Tim Walz admit that he made a mistake by appointing domestic terrorists who destroy Teslas and shoot lawmakers into his cabinet
Or it was a deliberate act all the way

Which lawmaker did Waltz appoint to his cabinet that shot lawmakers?
In the MAGA mind an outside advisory board is now his Cabinet.
Jesus.

Frankly, there is a level of evil in all of this.
But you can't shame people without shame.

Maeve7:
Not sure about no 2
The guy voted for Trump hoping Trump would legalize polygamy. At his age, he still needs women to tend to his fragile ego. Like a teenager.

The moment I mentioned that the Minnesota killer was a Trump voter, he kept mentioning me for hours, throwing tantrums like a 5-year-old. But I have his time today.

Least crazy? Naw.

Lol @ legalize polygamy.
I do think a lot of Trump's support is some men feeling displaced in a world with woman who have more equality.

Maybe I see him as less crazy because at the end of the day at least he doesn't pretend to live in the US.