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BlackManta:
Joker 2 makes history as the first CBM ever to recieve a D cinema score

Congratulations to WB, Todd Phillips and everyone involved in this mess.

This movie will go down as one of the worst comic book movies of all time

pu7pl3:
Do you mean YouTube links?

abduleez1:
I disagree with this.... There's a good number of instances where directors have still gotten jobs despite flopping bad.

A living working director is Ridley Scott. Man has underperforming and flop movies littered across his career in Kingdom of Heaven (2004), Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014)..... The Last Duel(2021) and Napoleon (2023) both being catastrophic back to back flops with both costing $100mn & $200mn respectively and yet he's still getting top gigs.
In fact, his new film Gladiator II this December is rumoured around $250mn.

Essentially, I'll posit this to say it depends on your directorial pedigree. There are big directors and top directors....still everybody get him grade.

Then there's Martin Scorsese [/b]who got about $200mn for Killers of The Flower Moon. [b]Denis Villeneuve had a catastrophic flop in Bladerunner 2049 in 2017 yet he was rewarded by WB with two DUNE movies with similar big budgets.

Although I still agree with you that I can see Todd Philips for getting punished with the aftermath of Joker 2 if it outrightly flops. Still, its not set in stone for any big time director.

pu7pl3:
Attack on Titan
Naruto
Vinland saga
Devilman crybaby

abduleez1:
Calm down bros.... This just proves the movie is HATED and not actually that bad.

Worse than MORBIUS, Madame Web, Catwoman??
You dey whine me ni.

Simply put, it wasn't the expectations audiences went with to see it. So the disappointment led to people annoyingly rating it poorly.
But to be actually worse than majority of these movies na lamba.

pu7pl3:
Dan da Dan is not close at all.

BlackManta:
Mediocre comic book movies with a better audience rating than Joker 2

Green Lantern
Elektra
Fantastic Four 2015
Suicide Squad
Batman v Superman
Morbius
Venom 2
The Marvels
The Flash
Batman and Robin
Dark Phoenix
Justice League
Catwoman
Eternals
Thor love and thunder
Madame Web
Wonder Woman 1984
Antman Quantumania

These are just the ones I can remember

abduleez1:
No offense but I don't see WICKED doing a billion.
It would have to do impossible numbers to be able to reach that milestone.
I know it's a very popular musical but I don't seeing it being enough for that worldwide gross. It'd most likely over-index in North America and some European countries but I don't see it juice up to $1bn. The best case scenario I see for it with mad performance is $700mn-800mn+ worldwide.

In fact, I'd pick Joker Folie Á Deaux a possible billion dollar film over Wicked.
Why?
*It's done it before. Has more credibility to do it than Wicked. Wicked also has a massive competitor to face in Disney's MOANA 2 a few weeks after release. They'd justle for same audience. So that movie is definitely gonna impact Wicked's gross.

*Lady Gaga also brings her own set of fans to the DC brand. That's a new fanbase that would probably replenish the lost steam Joker might have garnered.
Joker is also leaning on a mix of musical too.

*The addition of a new Harley Quinn iteration is also a big draw. Every ardent DC fan knows Harley Quinn is easily the highest selling female comic book character in terms of merchandise. In fact she's regarded as DC's third pillar, Wonder Woman doesn't even come close and she even outsells Superman. And she's very very popular with girls, t£enage girls at that.

*The Joker is also the most popular and recognisable CBM villain of all time. So there's that. We've seen before @dults are willing to go out enmasse to watch what they want regardless of no kids demography since COVID ie Top Gun: Maverick, The Batman, Dune Part 2, Venom 1&2.

This movie is also almost as controversial as the first. So more juice of the same.

So there's many variables at play for these two movies. Don't be quick to write Joker off. The same way you can bring many PROS for Wicked, I can do same for Joker 2.

Although, I see Joker 2 doing $720-850mn. It has better chances of doing a billion than Wicked. The only advantage I see for Wicked here is cos of it's PG rating.

abduleez1:
Shey make I use this money go flex or make I use am watch this Joker....see wetin truly occur? 🥴🤔🙃

Who don watch this film...gimme unadulterated unbiased review.
No spoilers pls. 😭

Barrywhyte1:
Lol, the Same Todd Philips that rehashed same story for 3 hangover movies is giving a f-u..

Big cap..

He simply didn't have it in him to recreate the magic of the first.

And just like he did for the hangover, I was always skeptical of this joker sequel.
Making it a musical when Joaquin Phoenix who isn't known for singing as the lead was when something wasn't right.

But can't lie, I wanted it to prove me wrong, too bad sha..

abduleez1:
Shey make I use this money go flex or make I use am watch this Joker....see wetin truly occur? 🥴🤔🙃

Who don watch this film...gimme unadulterated unbiased review.
No spoilers pls. 😭

abduleez1:
Some are saying it's a big fvvk you from the director to studio execs who continues to pester him for sequels.
Man, I'm confused wtf where they all thinking. Also that musical gimmick doesn't really help.

The most baffling to me is making this movie for $200mn. 😱😱 I still don't know what that budget was for even tho Joaquin and Phillips both got $20mn each. And Gaga $10mn.

abduleez1:
Shit just gets worse.

abduleez1:
I strongly disagree with you on these points... The local industry ain't as backward as you think.

Having been on an international standard movie set for 3 months here in Nigeria I'll tell you you're very wrong.

Communication with the Lagos state government and various agencies was mostly a smooth ride.

We shot at various high density locations in Lagos...closed off roads partially and/or fully for a few days during our course of shooting.
In fact, we shot on the third mainland bridge a few hours. With not much hiccups.

We didn't need to close down a huge market for months. Just a day was needed and a very tiny section with adequate collaboration with LASTMA, Police, private security and the market people and all necessary agencies or collaborators. And we didn't need to pay off everyone. We had our own extras to portray market people the way we liked in our own controlled settings.

We did all these without even delaying our original scheduled date to wrap up production. Almost seemed like a miracle to me sef.

So there's not much of a big deal here if you want to go serious in shooting a movie in Lagos or Nigeria at large. It just all boils down to serious planning and scheduling and division of labour.

NaijaMemes:
Simple and short- you are right: Hollywood can make an adaptation of a Nigerian story. However, it serves us best to do our own stories properly.

oyaskii:
The opening scene of Captain America: Civil War (2016) was supposedly an open market in Lagos, Nigeria, and these people couldn't be arsed to come here and shoot, and they just simulated it in Atlanta, Georgia and kept it moving.

NaijaMemes:
Ah, yes Bob Hearts Abishola. The comedy with the most atrocious Nigerian accents? Remember Bob is a white man. The Nigerian sarcasm and quest for excellence is dialled up to the extreme. Remember that the Bob character is a white man. I see the show as a white man's struggle to date someone with a foreign culture to America. A white man is even the best to direct it.

America is diverse but not so much that Nigerians make a significant influence in the same way Mexicans, Indians, Chinese and certain Europeans do.

For instance, how many Nigerian restaurants would you see on a high street compared to Chinese, Italian and Mexican? Hmm?

The Idris Elba and John Boyega both flop when it comes to Nigerian accents. They both do American gangsta accents better. Boyega even tried a bit in Woman King.

Countries have heritage. No one will tell your story better than you.

Just even look at Nigerians today. We are sold the story of Jews being the chosen ones. Look at how foolish Nigerian Christians support isreal claiming that Muslims or Ishmaelites cannot hurt isreal because God is the protector of Israel. Lol.

African history has been whitewashed by the west.
Forgive me if I doubt that the same people will do well to tell a Nigerian colonial story well.

Just even look at Black Panther. I loved the movie but I realised that the villain was the guy that was ready to retaliate against colonialism. T'challa didn't care about racism or colonialism. Killmonger even pointed out how cultural artifacts from Africa were stolen by the British. Black Panther was directed by an African American. Maybe an African director would have the anti-colonianist be the hero....or maybe not as he could be one of those white-worshipping Nigerian Conservatives

oyaskii:
Bob ❤️ Abishola is the absolute worst project to drive home your point, because 5 episodes into season 1, i couldn't stand how cringe it was. They were trying too hard and it came out blatantly pretentious. There are tons of articles that criticize them for it and i culled one from medium below. The comedy holds up, but beyond that, i.e. trying to infuse the Yoruba culture and all that, was total garbage and cringeworthy.

That being said, you can't just wake up and make a movie or write a book about a totally different culture, because you love the culture, it doesn't work that way. Culture is a lived experience and you can't properly portray an experience you haven't lived, you might deceive yourself all you want, and people not wanting you, who haven't lived their experiences to tell their story, is not racism except racism has another meaning. It is a condescending mentality that makes Hollywood think they can tell stories of other cultures without fuss, if a Nambian director wants to do a JKF story in Namibia, sorry, he will be vallified from here to Timbuktu for it!.

Hollywood is multifaceted given, but when stories about mexicans, Indians, Brits, or Jews, are being made, you actually see the effort that goes into it. They research, meet with locals, go to actual locations about the culture to shoot and they come out good because it is a true representation but you see stories concerning Africa or Nigeria per se, they can't actually be arsed to come here and do any proper research. They just find a film head that is British Nigerian or American Nigerian who has probably lived there all his/her life to spew some nonsense about Nigerian culture, and they slap the person's native name on the credits and call it a day. The opening scene of Captain America: Civil War (2016) was supposedly an open market in Lagos, Nigeria, and these people couldn't be arsed to come here and shoot, and they just simulated it in Atlanta, Georgia and kept it moving.

So, no matter the defence you put up, people having a bone to pick about one of Nigerian favorite book being given an Hollywood treatment are in the right. The premise of the books takes place in "Iguedo" in the Umuofia clan in south east Nigeria, so i am close to 100% sure, that they are not stepping foot here to shoot, so they will simulate "Iguedo", Umuofia clan, in America, and to you that will be the true representation of the book, because according to you, "They love the culture"

Abeg Abeg...They have bought the rights to the book and no lamentations will change it, my own is that, they had better not fail....😒

nani667:
🫤🫤

Palehair:
The casting of Elordi is receiving tons of backlash because the character is dark skinned in the book

NaijaMemes:
It is not white vs black. It is country vs country.

Nigeria and America.

NaijaMemes:


Which Nigerians are directing Hollywood movies? From Nollywood to Hollywood!! You got jokes bro!!

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I dont expect a Nigerian director to direct WW2 movies about Jews as well. The Nigerian director can do it but he will be branded a racist in the likely event he mucks it up

NaijaMemes:
I dont expect a Nigerian director to direct WW2 movies about Jews as well.

NaijaMemes:
The Nigerian director can do it but he will be branded a racist in the likely event he mucks it up

NaijaMemes:
The thing I agree with is that Nigerian movie makers are not doing well by refusing to do colonial stories. This why we have some simps here worshipping white women lol....

But I digress. Hollywood has never truly gotten Nigerian accents right. They usually have some propaganda. Just look at woman king- the Oyo empire were somehow the bigger slave trading villains than the Westerners. America will never put your country before theirs.

This is why we have to tell our stories. No one will do it well for you.

abduleez1:
It ain't looking good brev..... 😐

SOZINN:
Does he actually become the prince of crime in this movie? Do we finally get the Joker we've been waiting for, the Joker that can give Batman a hard time. I enjoyed his orogin story in the first one but now I want him to become HIM.

Palehair:
You watched "sing sing" right or you are just going via "the token movie with a black lead" narrative?

Illusioneffect:
Movies I watched last week (I watched a lot)
7. Sing Sing - 7/10

abduleez1:
Now this is a pretty interesting premise from 94 yr old Clint Eastwood. !!

Now look at that cast. SEATED!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlSAfbKuclM?si=JDbdZmeY-3-83KBm

OhBritannia:
Deadpool and wolverine 2024 is a solid 1/10 for me.

Most cringest movie i have ever seen in my life.
It's like these people don't even take us serious anymore, they just ride on the cult following of marvel and then keep giving us trash and junks.
When i keep saying that i am not a fan of super hero, the reason is because of marvel.

Marvel don't even rate us anymore.
Because how on earth does this Deadpool and wolverine makes sense?
Plot 0/10
Storyline 0/10
Dialogues 0/10
Jokes 0/10
The only good thing is the action but they just have to spoil it with so many cringe moments, like what the Fvck!!!

Nah!!!! These people ain't serious at all.

When i keep saying that DC superheroes movies have more mature storylines and plots than marvel, people kept attacking me.

SOZINN:
Bro, sometimes do you ever think to yourself that this site could have had a similar interface like Reddit? This guy seriously fumbled.

abduleez1:
Not talking about NOSFERATU. I'm more focused on

Babygirl
Maria
Conclave
Dune 2
Emilia Perez
The Brutalist
Anora
Sing Sing
A Complete Unknown
The Room Next Door

Amongst others to show up.....
I just feel this year has or will have more overall general quality compared to last year.