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johnydon22:
[b][i]Many here won't deny having grown up being taught that their very humanity itself is a sin.

That their nature as humans have been contaminated by the action of Adam and Eve in Eden and so their very nature as humans is a sin and broken, lost and weak and therefore needs to be saved..

This basic Christian doctrine has created an imaginary problem, have convinced them of bearing the guilt of an imaginary crime by two fictitious people they know nothing about and so must require an imaginary act of salvation in order to make it to an imaginary paradise..

What is imaginary here is your imaginations. The problem of sin is real. Our world obviously suffers from the consequences of sin. Every human being is naturally predisposed to evil, to cheating, lying, anger, selfishness and other such vices. Anyone who watches a baby grow up can easily observe all these, it's not something mysterious or enigmatic. This is reality and the Bible simply shows the root cause. Many millions in different generations past and present have attested to finding salvation, peace and forgiveness, it is not imaginary at all.

We have been taught that God is the father at the same time taught to fear, cower in awe in the face of this Father figure.

"Father, i am not worthy to be your son, i am broken and weak and is short of your glory but father forgive me and accept me because i have been a sinner since i was born. please father let your will be done in my life, take full possession of me and do with my life what ever you will even though am not worthy"

This is a prayer line used to address a father figure, to this i will call a pitiable show of self degrading other than humility..

God is not just the Father, He is the Creator and the Judge. The devil is the father of all liars and sinners, not God. If you do not receive Him, you are not a son or a child of God, don't get it twisted.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

And again am sure none of us here will ever have our children talk to us in that format, anyone who expects such mode of address from his Children has a chronic self righteousness, abject narcissism, huge egoism and outright disturbing figure..

People have been convinced that they are a sinner from birth and therefore are not worthy...?

To this i call a complete arrant nonsense...

Worthy of what if i may ask? What makes one worthy or unworthy?

It is amazing how people cannot find the disturbing idea of a God who bears a grudge for such a long time that it blames every generation for the actions of two people...

The alleged all powerful, all knowing and all present creator of the universe is showing a pitiable insecure childish show of bearing grudges with flimsy humans..

You do not need saving from imaginary angry Gods who is blaming you for the sin of some two naked couple who ate an apple..

You did nothing and you are not guilty of the crime of anybody not even the crimes of your immediate parents.

You are not been punished for any two people's sins, you will face judgement for your own sins. Also, the Bible says nothing about any two naked couple who ate an apple, don't get it twisted.

It is a common thing to have religious people accuse others of being sinners who deserves to be burnt in a fire for their sins.

It is ok to note that SIN in a religious sense has no weight on human morality..

What is sin?

Human morality as a construct of human society entails: An action that decreases individual and social human suffering and betters societal well-being, survival, justice, equality, freedom..

Going by this societal definition of human morality one cannot fail to notice that these actions are necessary for a human society to ensure continuation and a healthy social interactions because as social beings living together in a society we must indulge in mutual actions necessary for our own betterment and continuation.

An immoral act as the opposite of morality is An action that INCREASES individual and societal human suffering and is a detriment to societal well being, justice, equality, survival and freedom..

Going by this definition one cannot miss to discern that Armed Robbery is a societal vice because it increases the suffering of the victim.

Government officials looting a country is a societal vice because it increases the societal suffering of the community.

Boko haram or any group wreaking havoc on a community is a societal vice because it is a detriment to societal well being and increases individual and societal suffering..

Who gives these definitions, do you just pull them out of your nostrils or something? Who determines human morality, is it the courts or the house of assembly or the Constitutions or who? Can i determine morality, can you? Who made your definition more right than mine? Your school, your job, internet or facebook likes?

But the religious idea of sin are simply actions that goes against the stipulated ethics or doctrines of the said religion or the so called "will of God" that may or may not be in relation to a societal moral action.

E.g: In the catholic Church, Missing Mass on sunday is a sin against God..
In islam eating pork is a sin
And in a wide margin being Human itself is a sin in fundamental Christian doctrine of original sin.
Not believing in God is also a sin

I don't understand how muhammed having sex with a 9 year old Aisha is not a bad thing in Islam or beheading others in the name of God is not wrong but God frowns at what two grown adults decides to do with themselves or what i eat..

So you see, these ideas of sin has no weight on the moral tilt of an action, it doesn't matter if your actions are of a good tilt or not you are a sinner none- the less.

Again, don't get yourself in a fix/twist. Throwing together all the religioin and ideas that you manage to remember doesn't make them the same or make them disappear. It only makes you look like you don't know what you are saying.

So do not fret when accused of being a sinner as long as your actions are of no detrimental effect to others or the society...

This is the exact question i asked a preacher girl who accused me of being a sinner when she learnt i don't believe the God she believes..

"Am i a sinner because i don't live a moral and ethical life or because i don't believe the God you believe ?"

My actions are for humans not deity and so the effect of my actions on fellow humans and the society is all that matters to me not whether a deity likes it or not..

when we realize that an action is neither good or bad just because a religion says so either with the charge of "Thus says the lord" or not, we will learn to employ our reason and independent thinking in determining our actions towards each other..

Repeated reasoning. It's the same way Nnamdi Kanu deluded himself that nothing would happen to him if he came to Nigeria. Fear God and repent. When you die, there is judgement.

-We are neither fallen or weak

We are. Only a person without a sense of morality or conscience would agree otherwise. Can you see the human race? You do not see any faults or problems?

-Our humanity is not a crime or sin

Depends on your definition of humanity. Being human is not a crime or a sin though.

-we are not to be blamed for the actions of some fictitious couple who ate an apple.

Of course. i wonder where you get such a ridiculous idea in the first instance.

-We have no need to be saved from angry deities who won't mind their business, we are the only ones who can offer ourselves and our children salvation by choosing to better the planet we live in.

Of course. Who cares about angry deities who won't mind their business?

-And most importantly we do not need forgiveness from angry Gods, we only need forgiveness from each other..

That's what a few percentage of deluded humans think. Their opinion is largely irrelevant in the big picture.

Live your life for you and your actions in respect to others around you and the society that binds us all and not an obligation to a God or religion or a means to an end to bypass punishment or get a reward..

Who justifies this idea? What society binds you? What makes your right to be bound to some society greater than the other man's right to be bound to his God?

Nobody is born a sinner or inherited the sin of Adam and eve and it's time people realized that..

Really? What are the advantages of this realization again? What are the disadvantages of failing to realize?

mzilakazi:
All I'm saying is that for as long as you are strong enough to spend two years under stone age.

You can trust me, we would not suffer after MTN pays that huge sum of money. MTN seems like it will suffer more. First it will lose about 60% of its business and it will lose Nigeria, for good.

TonyeBarcanista:
What Is The Rationale Behind $38 Oil Benchmark?
In the budget, the government pegged oil benchmark at $38 per barrel. The problem here is that since the beginning of the second half of 2014, crude oil price has been on a free fall. In December 2014, it stood at $61 per barrel. As at today, the price of crude oil has dropped to $36 per barrel. Note that the price of crude as at june 2014 was $117 per barrel. With Iran poised to resume supply in 2016, Russia and USA entering the market, it means that the price of the product may go lower in 2016. What then is the rationale behind pegging the price of crude at $38 per barrel for 2016 budget? How will Nigeria meet up with its attendant deficit in revenue?

The President touched on this in his address to the Senate. He said "After reviewing the trends in the global oil industry, we have set a benchmark price of $38 per barrel and a production estimate of 2.2 million barrels per day for 2016. We have focused on non-oil revenues by broadening our tax base and improving the effectiveness of our revenue collecting agencies." They reviewed the trends, they are also privy to information from OPEC, Nigeria presiding over OPEC for a part of the year and having meetings and summits with Oil Producing countries. Also 2.2mbpd is a fair estimate given the fact that it used to be projected higher despite the leakages that are now been blocked and much of the stolen crude, fund diversion etc. All these will balance up for the benchmark price, and things may just not fall too low. Also, In 2016, oil related revenues are expected to contribute N820 billion. Out of the total budget, the FG is expecting less than 15% of funds from oil. That's a pretty safe price IMHO.

2. According to the 2016 Budget, Nigeria's projected revenue for 2016 is N3.86 trillion and deficit of N2.22 trillion with oil benchmark at $38 dollar per barrel. The government dedicated N1.8 trillion ie 30% set aside for capital expenditure, and projected to incur loan of N1.84 trillion.

The above means that the government plan to incur loan to finance capital project and use the leftover for recurrent expenditure. Which country in the world can survive on such arrangement? Considering that oil price is sinking deeper, it means even the projected revenue may not be met and government could be forced to take more loans to meet up the deficit. Where is the wisdom here?

The President already answered this in that same speech. He said "The deficit, which is equivalent to 2.16% of Nigeria’s GDP, will take our overall debt profile to 14% of our GDP. This remains well within acceptable fiscal limits. Our deficit will be financed by a combination of domestic borrowing of N984 billion, and foreign borrowing of N900 billion totaling N1.84 trillion. Over the medium term, we expect to increase revenues and reduce overheads, to bring the fiscal deficit down to 1.3% of GDP by 2018."

More Debt?
As at June 30, 2015 the former permanent secretary of the finance ministry put the debt owed by the FG alone at N8.396 trillion and $7.74 (N1.4trillion) for local and external debt respectively. With the government proposing to borrow another N1.84trillion to finance 2016 budget, this will mean more money to finance these huge debts. Considering that we will likely borrow more due to oil decline, I don't think there is any wisdom in this. Are we going back to pre-1999?

This is already answered in the last quote i gave. However, it is expedient for the country to borrow to do anything meaningful. The money is simply not there. It is the same you that will be the first to criticize if the government does nothing meaningful next year. Money is needed for capital and massive projects. We want salaries paid on time, we want government not to reduce salary and minimum wage, we want government to employ graduates massively and pay them well, we don't want to hear news of sack or retrenchment, we want 10,000MW of power, good roads, hospitals, etc but the government should not borrow. Are you dreaming? Buhari is not Jesus Christ the Messiah, wake up from your stupor please.

Will Government Ever Learn?
When the last administration presented the 2015 budget, they pegged crude oil price at $65 per barrel. As at time of presenting the budget, the crude oil price stood at $61 per barrel. The effect was what we witnessed in 2015 where the government had to resort to borrowing because they couldn't meet revenue expectation. President Buhari is now following the same route. Pegging crude oil price at $38 per barrel when the price at present is lower. That means there will be increased borrowing should the crude oil price fail to rise at the benchmark.

I believe Nigeria should learn from Greece and not go down same lane. Already, we have serious problem of depleting customers for our major export(oil) and also we face challenge of competing with more entrants(USA, Russia and Iran) in the market. Government budget should reflect on the reality and not hinged on political correctness. Honestly, I see no positive change in this budget, all I see is burden on Nigerians.



May God Bless Nigeria

Have some faith and hope for a CHANGE.

mzilakazi:
That's OK then, for so long you can manage to live in a stone age for over two years. I hope you all have that energy.

You overrate yourself/MTN, you really do.

mzilakazi:
The problem is that the whole lot of other providers in Africa sub their network along with MTN cables.

Blackmail is not an option, we will manage without them. Nigeria does not exist because of MTN.

mzilakazi:
You are going about the basics. My friend I am an engineering student at CUT and I excel in electronics. Leave those things about GSM, 3G and LTE because they are irrelevant here. Tell me what do you know anything about submarine cables? MTN was not stupid to have everything controlled in its headquarters including those in the middle east.


http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2012/05/west-africa-cable-system-officially-launched-in-south-africa/

Mr man, even if they are controlling from Heaven, they should behave themselves and obey laws. If they cannot cope, we will manage without them.

macof:
lik I said, it's identity is being "the creator" ..this is not religion
you won't hear me give u a name. .

madness! it's common with Christians and muslims

You're not making much sense, are you sure this is not religion?

unibenstudent1:
Here is the population of Nigeria as against the present population of 2013 .
click link to see population of 2013,this will shock you.
http://coolestchris..com.ng/2015/12/document-showing-population-of-nigeria.html

The North has always been well populated but not too civilized. 8 of the 10 largest towns were Yoruba towns, respect. Although the Yorubas have not built on that. Thank God for Lagos that still covers their shame small and the free education scheme that their leaders helped with. The igbos have real soul searching to do. Onitsha and Owerri had highest population in the South though no TOWNS sha. What happened after was that thwy moved to other parts and Lagos looking for money, and then the civil war really had an impact. yet they are clamouring for another war. May God bless Nigeria.

mzilakazi:
Naija will go back to stone age. That's fine.

And you will rather blackmail us? Do you think people died because there was no MTN in Nigeria before 2000? Do you think there are no other GSM companies out there?

viqtanium:
TB Joshua is in Lagos, Nigeria and he is not hiding from anyone as many people who see him regularly can testify. as for those who are running their mouths pls read about Mariam, Aaron and Moses in your bible Numbers 12:1-16

When last did you see him in Lagos?

mzilakazi:
You see, that's where you are wrong. MTN installed optic fibre cable undersea that runs from South Africa to its stations across Africa and is crontrolled in South Africa. You never knew anything about that info. MTN will simply discomnet the whole of Naija and that will affect all the providers who have sub under MTN lines as well.

Let them go ahead already. We cannot be bullied

mzilakazi:
South Africa is very tolerant when it comes to foreign investment. When any foreign company which is of a value to its market flount its regulations it won't rush to impose a hefty fine. It will afford the other party to present its case and listen whether it was deliberate or unintentional. It will only be after everything else has been exhausted that they will consider applying some little lashes but not to kill the company.

It should be borne in mind that foreign investment is important to our developments. They create jobs; sponsor major events and sports; sponsor education and offer scholarships to our students to study in local and overseas universities; they are major contributors of revenues through tax and also they help develop infrastructure through investment.

Why do we have to go to foreign countries to ask for investment? We invite them to our countries and when they do wrong we want to kill them without looking into facts. Investors are also not in our mercy, they can as well drop us like a hot potato and leave us with a dwindling economy.

You're talking rubbish, i'm sure you are aware. MTN flouted laws and showed no remorse despite several warnings. All the other GSM companies complied despite previously flouting them. No company is bigger than thje country, Nigeria is where they made their name and their money. If they are tired, they should go. How and why should SIMs not have subscriber IDENTIFICATION? Why do we call them SIM cards? NCC was lenient enough to even reduce the fine after, but MTN wants to stall things by going to court and hoping they can bribe their way and outmuscle the FG with grammar and court theartrics. It's very unfortunate.

vooks:
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Did TB Joshua attend the carol service?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkM_hDixtJ8

47minutes no show. maybe the guy doesn't celebrate christmas.

EasternPride:
which support is that?

Looking for states to join them in their struggle.

Tell Nnamdi and his bunch of misguided youths to learn from history. Observe from the attached that the East, Owerri and Onitsha were well populated in the South, although the yorubas had the major towns. Today, the easterners are looking up to the south south for support. Learn from the civil war, learn from past coconut head ways. God gave the gift of history so that we learn from it.

Singgggggggg Fashola, since you don't sign then sing. lol

dolphinheart:
Good to know that receiving jesus as king is done once every year by some people.
The celebration done on Dec 25th is not the lords doing, its man made.
The pagans did not make a day, they choosed a day to celebrate their Gods, some now choosed that same day, using mostly the same methods and practices as used by the pagans to celebrate Christmas.
All these had no precedence in our worship to jehovah, jesus , his disciples, the apostles, early christians never formulated, observe or practise such religious celebration.

As to ur question , I dnt know when incantation started but since its related to magic I think it started ealier(I might be wrong).
But what I know is that incantation and speaking in tongue are not related, unlike the relation between pagan celebrations and Christmas celebrations.

The point where i leave you to beat yourself all through tomorrow. Season's greetings, thank God you are not God and Jesus.

vooks:
Thank you for the correction.
Have you ever thought about real as opposed to imagined pagan practice of offering food to idols and then eating it in 1 Cor 8?

While it is debatable exactly how 'pagan' Christmas is, this was a clearly pagan practice yet Paul appeals to conscience. This tells me thAt Christmas even if it were to be proved 'pagan' is a far less offensive activity.

So I have always tried to get to the hearts of anti-Christmas brigade....what really motivates them in opposing it?

Probable reasons
1. They are raised in sects that oppose it and for conformity purposes, they oppose it as well regardless of how (un)founded the opposition is
2. They misunderstand the purpose of Christmas, and thus manifest a zeal but not according to knowledge
3. They are proud, self righteous bunch simply out to prove themselves better than the next guy
4. They are rebels without cause. Some will just oppose norm for the heck of it, they will sleep during the day and stay up at night just to be different

While I can't discern the motive for each opponent, I can easily pick sectarian opponents like dolphinheart because for the past 15 years, I have heard Jehovah's Witnesses regurgitating the arguments he is advancing here VERBATIM

That number 1 captures it.

chipet67:
it's his media aid. Buhari knows nothing.

And if it wasn't impressive, you would not think he's not the one that wrote it. Wailer oshi, lol

Is a Bubuuuuu, i love you tori torun agape style.

vooks:
My brother, I don't even know a tithe of all there is to know. How can I be proud?
But one thing I know for sure, the 'pagan connection' in Christmas is blown out of proportion by a bunch of self-righteous feeble hearts, just like those who in 1 Cor 8 stumbled over food offered to idols

It's a she, don't get us angry here. lol

dolphinheart:
No pagan in that sir.
but do we experience The joy everyday or once a year.?
Do we receive our king every Dec 25th?
Is jesus born every year?
The yearly celebration of an event at a period it did not occur, using dates and practices specifically used by idol worshipers is pagan!

Thank you. That's simply all some do to celebrate Jesus. They worship and receive their King. They rejoice and do good works, pray and give thanks. If you do that everyday, please allow others do it on the day of their choice. December 25 is a day the Lord has made, it is not a pagan day. Pagans couldn't make a day to save their lives. The devil has no copyright, he's a thief. Tell me something, incantations and speaking in tongues, which came first and which is pagan?

macof:
lemme indulge you

relationship between one and his creator has absolutely nothing to do with emotions. this is not religion
when you discover yourself and the world around, you discover your Creator
it's only identity is being the "creator" ...like I said this is not religion where you run around screaming jehovah, jesus, allah like a mad man

Reduce the mumbo jumbo, who is the Creator you discovered? How and when did you discover yourself? Thanks for taking out time to indulge me. Why would anyone go around screaming?

nobilis:
Servicing a debt doesn't mean paying it back.

i referred to the clear INTENT to pay back. Servicing involves paying part of the interest on the loan and the principal.

RockMaxi:

@image123, I hope you are not from the copy and paste ministry? I expected your analysis to be hierachical. That alone will help a lot.

@nobils, if the amount budgeted to service our debt didn't cover the principal, then their is a lot to ask about how the previous administration handled the economy

Lol at copy and paste ministry. That's why I'm calling others to help analyze. Like you.

erico2k2:
So yoy believe this craap.did yoy not read the same NNPC saying kaduna refinary was designed to refine heavy crude and not light crude?so did someone perform magic overnight?

I'm not aware, did NNPC say that?

PAYMENT OF LOCAL CONTRACTORS' DEBTS 5,500,000,000
GALAXY BACKBONE 3,000,000,000
REFUNDS TO STATES FOR FEDERAL ROADS PROJECTS 5,005,000,000
FINANCING OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NIGERIA'S NUCLEAR POWER PROGRAMME (THE SEED MONEY) 2,000,000,000


Local Contractors, relax, your money iyaf come. What is Galaxy Backbone? Anybody? 3billion naira for Galaxy Backbone, which one is that again?
And do we really have 2billion for nuclear power programme right now?

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CLINIC 1,000,000,000

National Assembly CLINIC 1billion naira. Are they employing Dr. Jesus there? After everything, they will steal fly abroad if they sneeze or have running stomach.

2011 ELECTION VIOLENCE AND CIVIL DISTURBANCES (DAMAGE DONE TO PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND PLACES OF WORSHIPS) 2,500,000,000
SPORTS DEVELOPMENT 2,000,000,000
SPECIAL INTERVENTION MDG's (VERIFICATION OF ASSETS AND LIABILITIES) 1,468,267,215




2011 election violence. You see, you see, you seeeee. The effects of dogs and baboons are costly.
This sports people, na wa oh. Now when boys win competition, don't be sharing 20,000 naira oh. i wonder how true that story is BTW. Nigeria must produce Ronaldo next year the way sports and youth are receiving money from budget oh.

rakish:
Don't knw were u got your figures frm but ministry of power,works and housing has over 400b allocated to it,transportation has about 201b while education has over 300bn. So where did those figures emanate frm

The source is right there in the OP. The initial was for recurrent, i later posted the capital expenditure.

AUDITOR GENERAL FOR THE FEDERATION 450,000,000
BUDGET AND NATIONAL PLANNING 3,199,393,735
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE 47,001,125,634
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF DEFENCE 134,572,387,040
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF EDUCATION 37,000,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT 5,000,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF FINANCE 819,200,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS 8,863,015,659
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF HEALTH 35,670,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY, TRADE AND INVESTMENT 6,090,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF INFORMATION & CULTURE 5,990,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF INTERIOR 53,070,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF JUSTICE 1,117,078,566
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND EMPLOYMENT 5,580,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF MINES AND STEEL DEVELOPMENT 9,102,537,970
FEDERAL CAPITAL TERRITORY ADMINISTRATION 37,756,697,983
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF NIGER DELTA 24,281,660,689
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM RESOURCES 7,648,605,061
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY 27,890,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION 202,000,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES 37,000,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF WOMEN AFFAIRS 2,670,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF WORKS POWER & HOUSING 433,400,000,000
FEDERAL MINISTRY OF YOUTH & SPORTS DEVELOPMENT 4,660,000,000
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY COMMISSION 153,671,000
INDEPENDENT CORRUPT PRACTICES AND RELATED OFFENCES COMMISSION 340,679,241
INFRASTRUCTURE CONCESSIONARY REGULATORY COMMSSION 39,700,000
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY 6,080,000,000
NATIONAL SALARIES, INCOMES AND WAGES COMMISSION 174,857,755
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER 32,620,000,000
OFFICE OF THE HEAD OF THE CIVIL SERVICE OF THE FEDERATION 1,587,136,803
POLICE FORMATIONS AND COMMAND 17,009,090,000
PRESIDENCY 19,155,489,519
SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE FEDERATION 16,979,643,781



This one is for capital expenditure.
Health 35billion? Mines and Steel still around 9billion?
Water resources 37billion? 37billion? Meaning by the end of the year, no story oh, there must be water everywhere. All these 78million naira borehole people everywhere, God is watching you. Can you make water? That ministry needs close monitoring.

profosa:
My friend 2016 is an olympic game year

Yes sir.