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Baddestguyp:
exactly as I suspected...
The point is, it's not about arrogance...
It's because he didn't have a choice

At the same time, the Marquis never had trouble in tracking Wick...the problem was killing him...

A 1v1 faceoff is not easier than a million fully equipped assassins...in fact the face off is far more risky since John had a good chance of not just surviving but walking away freely

So the Marquis had no compelling reason to accept the duel if he really had a choice


For the family...the Marquis called them a "second-rate seat"

the Marquis had little choice as soon as he accepted to act on behalf of the High Table concerning Wick, not because of the duel

You forget that John was no longer a refugeless fugitive on the run, he now had the allegiance of the Ruska Roma, who are bound to protect and avenge him in case of his killing. The best bet fot the Marquis was to draw him out using the duel and try to kill him like he did, if he had turned down the duel, John would have returned to stay with the Ruska Roma which could risk igniting a war with the High Table if they tried to assassinate him while in their custody

Like Winston reminded the Marquis, he's also under the Table

Baddestguyp:
@ MetroLane

Further proof:

The consequence of failure here is him failing to kill John Wick as he was charged to do. Hence, Winston presented an opportunity to the Marquis to directly face off with him and get the job done

Baddestguyp:
@ bolded...John knew killing the Elder would change nothing...

If I'm correct, the Marquis didn't have much of a choice. That's what Winston reminded him of...

If the Marquis could deny the duel easily, what was the point of accepting it then sending assassins to prevent John Wick from getting to the venue?

This means he had to accept the duel even if he didn't want to

John only got to know that killing the Elder would change nothing on getting there. He went all the way there thinking he could

The Marquis had a right of refusal over the duel, Winston only manipulated him to accept it and the Marquis saw an opportunity in that

Accepting the duel meant that John Wick could be more easily tracked and killed, since he would have to make his way to the duel arena. Accepting the duel gave the Marquis an oppportunity to send hordes against John Wick to either kill him or delay him and cause a forfeit by default on the part of Wick, which would mean his death. Plus, the added advantage of keeping a hold of Caine's services if John is killed by other than Caine

Baddestguyp:
It's only on this thread that someone isn't allowed to critique movies

Any critque about the plot or writing of a movie is suddenly met with insults rather than answers

The rule in John Wick is so ridiculous that a family can literally organize to wipe out multiple members of the High Table...wipe out a Marquis or Elder...

And walk away Scot free by challenging the present Marquis to a duel 😭😭😭


But apparently I'm not allowed to point this out because it's a crime to point out a ridiculous plot point in a movie I enjoyed

If i remember correctly, in part 3 he went to the elder in the desert to have the contract on his head, placed by the high table, pulled and the excommunicado lifted

In part 4, he killed the elder because he had refused to fulfill his oath to him (the elder) and the bounty on his head had increased. John thought he could free himself that way

Winston only mentioned the duel to him because, having killed the elder and being wanted dead by the High table, the only way out was the ancient rule

The duel itself inorder to work MUST be accepted, if it's refused, the way is shut

The way out was for the Marquis to be challenged because all 12 members of the High table had signed and delegated their authority to the Marquis. The Marquis had been assigned by the High table, to take out John Wick and all who aided him

The Ruska Roma isn't a random family, it's the group that raised and trained Wick. He was a member before he left them and his ticket was cut by them

taylor89:
Which one be “ the two officers who beat Isah to death were quietly dismissed”


Dismissed to which street? To which neighborhood to kill more people?

You see North and their slave subjects (I no call any region name but if you know say your region na Hausa slave na you I dey talk to) they’re the problem and the major setbacks we have in this country

Make una divide this country una go gree dey beg for unity by fire by force

It shall never be well with the children of the corn

1. You must be Igbo

2. You must be sympathetic to ipob

3. You must be an obidient

I know i'm right, your low IQ gives you away

TenQ:
Both Islam and Christianity agree about the definition of SIN:
Sin can generally be defined as a VIOLATION of God's instructions or command.

Other than this, there is a wide gap between the understanding of the GRAVITY of SIN by Christians and Muslims.

Islam:
A. Muslims usually see SIN as TRIVIAL such that it takes NOTHING from God to OVERLOOK the Sin of a Person.
B. For Muslims, there SIN is in graduations. There are small Sins and Big Sins of which the biggest is Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
Christians:
A. For the Christians, SIN is the most Grevious Offence a Human being can commit AND thus a Sinner CANNOT escape PUNISHMENT.
B. There is NO Big Sin or Small Sin before God as ALL Sin have an INFINITE consequence.

FOR COMPARISON PURPOSE:
In other words (for the Muslim Readers), the Christians are saying that SIN is the VIOLATION of the Kunfayakun (Power of Command or Decree: BE!) of God!
In other words, the Power of the Kunfayakun of God FAILS anytime Sin is Committed by a Person.

1. Sin is a CONTAMINANT
I will have to explain the Concept of SIN in Christianity as it is completely different from the Concept of SIN in Islam. Sin is not just what we have done that is not right but a CONTAMINANT!

The Bible describes our Bodies as Houses or Containers (Cup, Plate etc) for the Spirit of God.

1Cor 6:19:
"Or have ye not known that your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God, and ye are not your own?"

Violation of God's Rule for Mankind is called SIN. SIN Contaminate our Bodies just as Human Excrement contaminates a vessel for eating.

2. All Human Beings are Sinners by Nature!
In other words like a drug addict must have cravings for drugs so all human beings have cravings for Sin.
Just as a Piglet inherits non chalance attitude to filth from its parents, as humans we have inherited the nature to sin from Adam.

We were Born SELFISH at birth and this. Is the ROOT cause of ALL Sin.

It is this the REASON why you don't have to specially COACH any baby how to LIE or STEAL or FORNICATE. It comes naturally to us while DOING Gods will is extremely difficult for us.

Rom 3:23:
"for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

We cannot by any means share eternally with God his Paradise

3. Sin MUST be PUNISHED
Every Sinner is called Wicked in the Bible

Prov 11:21:
"Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered."

Isa 1:28:
"And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


4. The Magnitude of SIN is INFINITELY Large
The WEIGHT of Sin is INFINITELY LARGE:
1. Meaning that there is NOTHING like Small Sin or Big Sin. Sin is SIN.
2. The Judgement of SIN is INFINITELY LARGE. This is why the Judgement of Hell is eternal
3. The COST of Atonement for Sin is INFINITELY LARGE and the Sinner must thus be Punished!

5. The Punishment of Sin is INFINITELY Large
Because the weight of sin is INFINITELY Large, there is NOTHING we can do as humans to right the error of Sin Against God. What is done is done and it cannot be undone.

ONLY God has the Power to take our contaminated LIFE and wash it by HIMSELF with His OWN Detergent and Bleach and to His OWN Satisfaction
This requirement is fulfilled in the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:22:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (forgiveness of sin)."


Finally, Jesus said:
John 3:36:
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


John 6:40:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life : and I will raise him up at the last day."



Questions:
1. Do you have ANY Questions for TenQ?
2. Do you have any correction of the Islamic stand of sin or explanations regarding it?
3. Do you think it is possible to UNDO a sin after it had been committed and How?


I invite you to the Messiah: He's the INFINITE cost of payment for the judgment against your Sin.

His Gift of Freedom is yours through FAITH in God's SOLUTION and turning around to live your Life to Honour Him

This above is what is called:
Accepting Jesus as Saviour AND
Accepting Jesus as Lord



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Moh247:
Stop worshiping and idolizing women then you wonder why they act the way slay queen act

Guys used to be about solving problems and general guy stuff...today, many have lost themselves

today's guys are like women

engrchykae:
From a region where Debora Samuel was killed for blasphemy in a supposed institution of higher learning by a special breed of Aluta students shouting allahu Akbar instead of Aluta continua.
I don't see any savage reply from them.
Arabian peninsula used to make advancement in mathematics,geometry, astrology etc until Islam came.
No Muslim have ever won noble laurate or make any scientific discoveries just because of the ways of Islam

Mumu those that made advancements in the Arabian peninsula were muslims

Don't be desperate in trying to revise history

This guy is a Nairaland Legend, a real OG - MrCork

Acknowledge his greatness

mediclife1987:
Which kain blind talk be this?

Shey you no see where dem put Level 1-17?

So Level 1-17 of MDA and CONPSS special pass every other FG parastatal ba?

Very foolish talk.

he spoke the truth, civil servants on CONRAISS, CONHESS etc and other pay structures aren't included...only those on CONPSS

chatinent:
This man should have been the original GOAT of football.


Then, Messi and Ronaldo wanted to be like him.


To me, he is my GOAT!

🫡

I concur

Probably the most gifted baller EVER

I'm still yet to be awed by anyone else like him

nedu666:
How are u better than lgbos.
U suffer darkness we suffer it too
U suffer baf roads we suffer too
U suffer inflation we suffer too
U suffer fuel scarcity, ASUU strike, poor health care, corrupt govt people we suffer it too
U plan to japa we plan to japa too

So tell me how are u better than lgbos

This is how to appeal to the other side, via reason not insults

With regard to the problems you listed, we're in the same boat

You should have queried the guy whose insults i responded to

Peter Obi just needs an extra push now to possibly achieve his goal. What is needed are friendly overtures and not vile pushbacks

ZUBY77:
As if you are better than them. They still employ you as gatemen despite all your election wins.

If they're no more than gatemen, why the hate?

keep deceiving yourselves

Cutehector:
lmao see who is talking about frustration. Your lack of exposure has always been your undoing.

says the idiot that insulted an entire region

Cutehector:
do they ever have brains there?

You've been insulting us since 1960 what has it gotten you?

Civil war massacres/defeat

Cries of marginalisation

Political isolation

loss after loss

Continue with the insults, the fact is Obi will never be President unless the North gets onboard

If you can't stomach that, hate, then die and let your son inherit the hate

Our brainlessness is the only thing that has kept bitter Igbos at bay, keep insulting us, you'll die frustrated even worse than you are now

TenQ:
I understand that contemporary Muslims would rather want to translate IQRA to RECITE rather than READ. However, it is NOT up to you or me to redefine any WORD or phrase we are not comfortable with with the issue of Religion. According to Islam, we have to rely by this list of priority on any INTERPRETATION
1. The Qur'an
2. The Hadiths
3. The Tafsirs
4. The Sunnah

I requested for the HADITHS because it is superior to any modern reinterpretation .

Can you give me reasons why I should IGNORE what the Hadiths say and take your website link over it (the hadith)?


Interestingly, your website link agree with me that IQRA mean READ! The site only attempt to explain the controversy


If IQRA meant RECITE, what do you think should be the logical response of Mohammed to Jubril?

Your answer is in the link below, if you're still not clear after reading it, then i can't help you

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/199949/read-in-the-name-of-your-lord-who-has-created-all-that-exists-is-a-command-to-recite-from-memory-not-from-a-written-page

TenQ:
I gave you three different scenarios when Mohammed's responses could make a meaning.

Alright,
If you insist that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, then you should be able to give me a supporting Hadith that agree with you.
I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify





Mind you, there are several hadiths that report this episode not just Imam Bukhari (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3) .
And there are several translators from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan etc that have translated the same hadiths.

So, all I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify

In Arabic, the word used for the command to “read!” is iqra’, from the root Q-R-A, which means to both read [aloud or silently] from a written text or to recite something that one has memorized. Hence, the command to read can also be translated as “recite!” [Zurqani, Al-Mawahib al-Laduniyyah]

For a full explanation to your question, refer to this link

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/calling-to-islam/why-did-jibril-demand-the-prophet-muhammad-to-read-when-he-could-not-read/

TenQ:
If your argument is that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, why do ALL hadiths of the narrative of when Jubril came to Mohammed never translated Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT RECITE" instead, they ALL put Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT READ"?

Secondly,
The Command to Read and Mohammed's response make sense especially to a person who CANNOT Read.

A person who cannot read doesn't even Need to see the BOOK or MANUSCRIPT to respond: "I cannot READ"! Don't you think so?

If Mohammed could read, his response should be
1. What should I read? Or
2. Where is the Manuscript?

Thirdly,
If Jubril's Command was RECITE rather than READ, it is extremely stupid for the answer to be "I cannot RECITE"!
Everyone can recite.

Mohammed's response should then be
"What should I recite? " Without the drama of Saying " I cannot RECITE"!

We're going in circles, read all i've written

You're asking the same things again and again without understanding my answers

TenQ:
Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs

Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

You have to understand that it's not actually just a command, it's a full verse of the qur'an

He replied that way because for the first three times, the Angel said READ without completing the verse and so the Prophet responded appropriately

He actually lacked the ability to read something written

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs ?

Read is the exact translation that's why

If you're struggling to understand how READ and RECITE can overlap, lookup what white people call a book reading...a book is read aloud i.e. a recital

Read can have several meanings even in English language. If i ask you to read out what's in your mind do you need a book to do that? Or is the sentence wrong?

For the sake of argument, let's say the Angel was prepping the Prophet to READ out the verses to be installed in his mind which he didn't know then, but the Prophet assumed the Angel was referring to a manuscript

TenQ:
As usual, I expect some of you Muslims to ramble about every other issue except the topic at hand. If you are IGNORANT of your Religion, it is better to be Quiet than being an EMPTY Barrel!


Islamic narratives speak of the first time Allah sent his words the Qur'an through the angel Jubril.

Mohammed was COMMANDED three different times by Jubril to READ. With each command, Mohammed was squeezed by Jubril (we don't know whether this was a punishment OR an aid to Mohammed to be able to Read).

Qur'an 96:1
ٱقۡرَأۡ بِٱسۡمِ رَبِّكَ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَ

Qur'an 96:1
Read: In the Name of your Lord Who created,

Muslims agree that the Word IQRA "READ" was the first words of Allah to Mohammed.
Unfortunately, even at the end of this encounter, Mohammed could NOT Read.

Some Muslims are trying desperately to say that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ. Unfortunately, two things get them busted
1. Mohammed said "I cannot READ" rather than "I cannot RECITE".
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3
2. The Qur'an describes the messenger of Allah as unlettered
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in their own Scriptures, in the Law and the Gospel..."
3. Mainstream Muslim understanding of the narrative
"When Prophet Muhammad (صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ) received his first revelation, he did not know how to read or write"
https://www.islamicity.org/11380/when-an-illiterate-man-was-asked-to-read/



This being said: THE QUESTION
According to Islam, we understand that when Allah says "BE", it happens
[i]1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?
2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?
3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?/i]

Thank you.

In perspective, imagine if Jesus told a blind man to SEE and the blind man could still not see!




Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

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1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?

Like i mentioned earlier, the Qur'an doesn't have to be read like a book inorder to be understood

the qur'an can be learnt through recitations alone and memorised by heart in that manner, just as millions have done

This command READ pertains to the qur'an because it's part of a verse that goes " Read in the name of your Lord"...when reading/reciting the qur'an we say 'BISMILLAH' i.e. In the name of Allah

Once again reading and reciting are the same when it comes to the qur'an (Arabic), so the Prophet fulfills the command by memorising and understanding the qur'an

2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?

the command 'READ' isn't in isolation, it's part of a verse and the beginning of revelation. 'READ' pertains to reading/reciting the qur'an i.e. the verse revealed then and subsequent to be revealed

3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?

The Prophet could neither read nor write both at that time and even until his death, an illiterate won't ask you what to read when he can't read in the first place

Don't forget, it was a terrifying experience for him, he was alone and the Angel Jibril appeared to him and started commanding him

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Dtruthspeaker:
As the op rightly pointed out, he did not say "please how can I read when there is no book?"

So the question still remains.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13488/the-first-revelation-that-came-to-the-messenger-of-allaah

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1108/the-unlettered-prophet

Please refer to these links

TenQ:
As usual, I expect some of you Muslims to ramble about every other issue except the topic at hand. If you are IGNORANT of your Religion, it is better to be Quiet than being an EMPTY Barrel!


Islamic narratives speak of the first time Allah sent his words the Qur'an through the angel Jubril.

Mohammed was COMMANDED three different times by Jubril to READ. With each command, Mohammed was squeezed by Jubril (we don't know whether this was a punishment OR an aid to Mohammed to be able to Read).

Qur'an 96:1
ٱقۡرَأۡ بِٱسۡمِ رَبِّكَ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَ

Qur'an 96:1
Read: In the Name of your Lord Who created,

Muslims agree that the Word IQRA "READ" was the first words of Allah to Mohammed.
Unfortunately, even at the end of this encounter, Mohammed could NOT Read.

Some Muslims are trying desperately to say that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ. Unfortunately, two things get them busted
1. Mohammed said "I cannot READ" rather than "I cannot RECITE".
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3
2. The Qur'an describes the messenger of Allah as unlettered
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in their own Scriptures, in the Law and the Gospel..."
3. Mainstream Muslim understanding of the narrative
"When Prophet Muhammad (صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ) received his first revelation, he did not know how to read or write"
https://www.islamicity.org/11380/when-an-illiterate-man-was-asked-to-read/



This being said: THE QUESTION
According to Islam, we understand that when Allah says "BE", it happens
1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?
2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?
3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?

Thank you.

In perspective, imagine if Jesus told a blind man to SEE and the blind man could still not see!




Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

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Use your sense, even if the Prophet actually wanted to read at that moment, what would he have read? There was no written document there for him to read

It's a quranic command to all people and when it comes to the qur'an, reading is synonymous with reciting...e.g. if i know a chapter of the qur'an by heart, there'll be no need to open the book and read because i can already recite it by heart

The Prophet memorised all that was revealed to him through Allah's command and that satisfies the command to read

If you know anything about qur'an reading and reciting, you'd know that the qur'an is read to be recited and for understanding

For those who understand Arabic, you recite as you read for understanding, non Arabic speakers only recite the Arabic qur'an and read, but not recite translations of the qur'an

Reading and reciting the qur'an is one and the same in its original form i.e. Arabic

Hope that answers the question

garfield1:
Kaduna southern senatorial zone
Sanga:the apc deputy gov is from here.apc won here narrowly in 2019.same will happen.narrow win for tinubu.

Jemaa:they will vote obi but some will vote atiku.

Kachia:obi will win narrowly here but apc and PDP will get good votes.

Kaura: obi will win here massively.

Kauru;apc usually wins here narrowly.therefore apc wins of they divide the votes.

Zangon kataf; they will give obi bloc votes.

Kagarko; pdp usually wins here narrowly therefore votes will divide into three places.

Jaba; they will vote obi massively.

Kaduna central zone
Kajuru: obi will win here but pdp will get good votes.
Chikun: they are radical Christians and will vote obi massively.pdp highest votes is usually here.

Giwa; they usually vote apc massively.tinubu will win here.
Birnin gwari; tinubu will win here but pdp will get some votes.
Igabi: they are fanatics and will vote apc and nnpp

Kaduna north: el rufai will deliver here for tinubu with atiku getting some votes.
Kaduna south lga: tinubu will narrowly win with pdp and lp getting votes from the Christian axis

Kaduna northern zone
Zaria; tinubu will win here with a good number going to nnpp

Lere; tinubu will win here but Christians in saminaka who form 30% will vote obi.

Sabon gari;apc should win here but hon aminu shagali will give atiku votes here.

Ikara: tinubu will win here with nnpp coming second

Kubau: massive win for tinubu

Kudan: hunkuyi will deliver for nnpp with tinubu coming second.

Makarfi: tinubu and atiku will share votes here...

Summary
Apc 40%
Lp 30%
Nnpp 15%
Pdp 15%

For the governorship,Jonathan asake will win most parts of kaduna south except kauru and sanga.uba sani of apc will clear kaduna central bexcept chikun and kajuru.hunkuyi,uba sani and isa ashiru will share kad north..uba sani will emerge victorious


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I'm from Kaduna, if the election is free and fair, Atiku will most likely win

If it's not free and fair, El-rufai will help Tinubu win

Lp has no chance of winning the state, but depending on how Southern kd votes, Obi has a chance of getting 25%

Atiku will get votes in the Christian dominated parts as well because pdp is strong there, what will help Obi more is that the lp guber candidate is a Southern kd native and that'll ginger votes for Obi

Nnpp will likely only cause problems in Kano, here in kd, Kwankwaso has supporters but many are keenly aware of his near-zero chance of winning and will rather not waste their votes

Forget about Datti being from Zaria, he can't win his polling unit...any Zaria vote for lp you see will most likely be from Igbos resident therein

FromZeroToHero:
We are not supporting Peter Obi because he is an Igbo man.

Put Prof. Babagana Umara Zulum against Rochas Okorocha and Igbos will massively vote for Zulum.

Put Seyi Makinde against Hope Uzodinma Igbos will vote for Makinde.

We are not tribal bigots as people always paint it.

We vote for competence over tribe.

it's ironic that the only Igbos you're mentioning are those in the 'hausa party' APC

who is more competent between Zullum and Obi?

MANofMEN:
REVEALED: How Aso Rock Cabal Misled Buhari Into Fuel, Naira Crises Over Plot To Make Atiku President



By Alhassan Bello

As Nigerians suffer on the crises caused by the fuel scarcity and naira swap, it has been revealed that the Aso Rock cabal led by Mallam Mamman Daura is behind the problem that is making Nigerians to suffer.

Credible sources disclosed in Abuja, Katsina, Adamawa and Sokoto states that those who lost the primaries of APC tried to convince Daura to change President Muhammadu Buhari's mind in his support for Bola Ahmed Tinubu. No particular person among the losers was mentioned in the plot, but reports suggest that the plotters sold a dummy to Daura that Tinubu will not respect Buhari after getting power.

According to the sources, Daura first snubbed the promoters of the idea. It was learnt that Daura later agreed to join the plot when Atiku Abubakar, who is very close to him, convinced him that Buhari would be making a terrible mistake to allow power move to the South where northern interests may be jeopardised. Atiku told Daura several fabricated stories by a team of blackmailers he set up in PDP to argue his point.

It was learnt that to achieve the plot, Atiku and some  PDP leaders set up a blackmail group led by Nduka Obaigbena to paint a frightening picture of Fulani suffering under a southern President.  According to the sources, in this group are Dino Melaye, Sokoto Governor Aminu Tambuwal, Sule Lamido and Raymond Dokpesi.

The sources explained that Melaye and members of his group are playing on Daura's mindset in his pro-Fulani sentiment to always place Fulani interest above any other interest in Nigerian politics.

They convinced Daura that his kinsman, Atiku Abubakar, will protect Fulani interest in the coming administration while they had discovered an alleged grand plan by Tinubu and some Eastern leaders to work against Fulani interest after taking power down South.

Convinced by the presentation of  Obaigbena, Atiku was again invited by Daura, who promised Atiku that situations would be created that would make him enjoy support across the country. By this time, Atiku himself was in the dark about what the plan would be. He was asked to come back again.

Before he came back, Daura had perfected his plan. He lied to Buhari, relying on the stories by Obaigbena-led blackmail group. To implement the plot,  Daura asked Atiku to raise N85 billion to start organising his campaign. Atiku said he could not raise the money because he was broke and was yet to recover from the last presidential primaries and election expenses after losing to Buhari.

Daura therefore hatched a plan to convince Buhari to reimburse PDP states that implemented Federal projects so that he could be seen as a national leader who does not discriminate. Buhari agreed. Daura, who is widely known for his rabid pro-Fulani disposition, thereafter tutored Atiku to worm himself to the hearts of PDP governors that will benefit from the windfall. Buhari was convinced by his nephew and paid the money to the states. Some of these governors include Nyesom Wike of Rivers, Ifeanyi Okowa of Delta and Godwin Obaseki of Edo State. But the plan failed to work as Wike began a political war with Atiku and so could not release Rivers money to Atiku. Obaseki also refused to surrender his state money, but Okowa released huge sums of money to Atiku for their joint campaign.

When details of how Okowa surrendered Delta money to Atiku leaked, civil servants and pensioners protested on the streets and asked Okowa to explain how he spent their money. The South East governors that benefited from Buhari's windfall also refused to surrender their money.

With Atiku facing imminent failure, Daura called in Central Bank Governor, Godwin Emefiele, and NNPC Managing Director, Alhaji Kyari, a Fulani, to join in the plot to blackmail APC into failure and set Nigerians against the party. Emefiele was not difficult to convince to join the plot because he and Okowa are cousins from Agbor, Delta State. Daura worked on Emefiele to convince Buhari about the international honour he will get if he organises credible election devoid of votes buying. Emefiele therefore bypassed Finance Minister, his supervisory authority, to convince Buhari to change Nigeria currency to purportedly prevent votes buying.

The ignorant Buhari who always wants to be seen as upright, bought into the idea. Even the Federal Ministry of Finance fumed over the plan because without its input, Daura convinced Buhari that naira change was the best option for Buhari to organise a clean election. While Daura had hoped that PDP governors would surrender the reimbursements by Buhari to finance Atiku's election, reality dawned on him when these governors, except Okowa, refused to surrender their money.

Kyari also quickly joined the plot that has potential to keep him in office after Atiku's victory, hence the crisis in fuel distribution system that has crippled the nation's economy, resulting in sufferings all over Nigeria in which APC government is held responsible, not knowing that PDP is at work in collaboration with Buhari's nephew.

In the last few days, Dino Melaye has been visiting Emefiele's house during dark hours along with some CBN senior officials of Fulani stock,  according to another credible source in Abuja.

And so with failure imminent in Atiku's camp, the  option of blackmailing APC as a bad party is better, by setting Nigerians against the party by twin plots of petrol scarcity and printing of small quantities of naira notes while setting a short timeline  to effect a change of naira to create scarcity, a method that can't work even in a country of 30 million people. By these plots, Nigerians will naturally campaign against APC as a bad party amid widespread suffering that will create opportunity for Atiku to win.

But all the plots collapsed as northern governors led by Nasir El-Rufai and Atiku Bagudu got wind of the plot. They spoke with Buhari about the problem, reminding him about the sacrifices the Southern politicians made to give victory to Buhari. Surprisingly, Bauchi Governor was reported to buy into El-Rufai's group argument. Therefore, within a short period, the cabal held several meetings while El-Rufai group also held their meetings.

In one of the meetings, Buhari was reminded about his place in history and that he should remember that he could not spend his youth to keep Nigeria one during the civil war but now spend his adult life to divide Nigeria. He was told clearly that the West will naturally join the East to end the union called Nigeria if Buhari sticks to the Daura plot to retain power in the North.

According to sources, Buhari had to bend from his hard line stance when young elements of his Fulani stock told him the truth about the impending danger if Northern politicians break the agreement with their Southern counterparts, more so that the last Constutional Conference recommended power rotation between North  and South, which political parties in Nigeria, including PDP and APC, adopted in their zoning arrangement in their constitutions.

The fallout of the initiatives of the young elements in Northern establishment led to the meeting with Buhari on Friday where Buhari was told about the dangers of failing to follow the agreement on power rotation.

For now, PDP's plot with Daura, who wants a Fulani man to succeed Buhari at all costs, may fail as Buhari may not be able to control the anger and rebellion that will follow the failure to take power back to the South.


(I am Dr Alhassan Bello, a patriotic Nigerian writing from Abuja FCT)

Any Northerner who reads this knows a Southerner wrote this

Alhassan Bello is a nom de guerre, a fake name

There are many things i can point to, but one easy one is that no Northerner will call the NNPC head a Fulani man...the name Kyari is a very common Kanuri name

smh

mariahAngel:
What do they call it in the north?
It's almost similar to Cote D'Ivoire's attieke.

I can create at least two separate meals with those ingredients you listed above. 🙂

I believe it's called kwado...mainly a Northwest appetizer

Sermwell:
So the people in kafanchan ready to vote for Peter Obi are Igbos? I'm not Igbo but I'm right here waiting to vote for Peter Obi! What's your point exactly?

The people of Kafanchan have the right to vote who they like, as do you

The issue is the OP, an obvious Igbo man, trying to use ethno-religious politics of division in the North and worst of all Kaduna State, considering it's political history

Obi is very irresponsible for using religion as a tool to seek for votes, while pretending he wants to unify Nigeria and change things

Nnamdi Kanu and Ipob have been talking about 'liberating' Northern Christians and it's clear this is the blueprint they want to follow

Rest assured that Ipob's programs will not be used to set the North apart and on fire

Obi and his supporters can campaign as they like, i'm only reminding them that all actions have consequences and they better be ready to face them

Zeezenho:
Urchin you lie from pit of hell,listen una too small for us to deal with. our political life depends on us and we are now up and out for it.

Just use now till the election to pray Obi miraculously wins, because if not, you'll be paid in full