₦airaland Forum

ZUBY77:
As if you are better than them. They still employ you as gatemen despite all your election wins.

If they're no more than gatemen, why the hate?

keep deceiving yourselves

Cutehector:
lmao see who is talking about frustration. Your lack of exposure has always been your undoing.

says the idiot that insulted an entire region

Cutehector:
do they ever have brains there?

You've been insulting us since 1960 what has it gotten you?

Civil war massacres/defeat

Cries of marginalisation

Political isolation

loss after loss

Continue with the insults, the fact is Obi will never be President unless the North gets onboard

If you can't stomach that, hate, then die and let your son inherit the hate

Our brainlessness is the only thing that has kept bitter Igbos at bay, keep insulting us, you'll die frustrated even worse than you are now

TenQ:
I understand that contemporary Muslims would rather want to translate IQRA to RECITE rather than READ. However, it is NOT up to you or me to redefine any WORD or phrase we are not comfortable with with the issue of Religion. According to Islam, we have to rely by this list of priority on any INTERPRETATION
1. The Qur'an
2. The Hadiths
3. The Tafsirs
4. The Sunnah

I requested for the HADITHS because it is superior to any modern reinterpretation .

Can you give me reasons why I should IGNORE what the Hadiths say and take your website link over it (the hadith)?


Interestingly, your website link agree with me that IQRA mean READ! The site only attempt to explain the controversy


If IQRA meant RECITE, what do you think should be the logical response of Mohammed to Jubril?

Your answer is in the link below, if you're still not clear after reading it, then i can't help you

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/199949/read-in-the-name-of-your-lord-who-has-created-all-that-exists-is-a-command-to-recite-from-memory-not-from-a-written-page

TenQ:
I gave you three different scenarios when Mohammed's responses could make a meaning.

Alright,
If you insist that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, then you should be able to give me a supporting Hadith that agree with you.
I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify





Mind you, there are several hadiths that report this episode not just Imam Bukhari (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3) .
And there are several translators from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan etc that have translated the same hadiths.

So, all I need is a Hadith that agree with you AND it's source so that I can verify

In Arabic, the word used for the command to “read!” is iqra’, from the root Q-R-A, which means to both read [aloud or silently] from a written text or to recite something that one has memorized. Hence, the command to read can also be translated as “recite!” [Zurqani, Al-Mawahib al-Laduniyyah]

For a full explanation to your question, refer to this link

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/calling-to-islam/why-did-jibril-demand-the-prophet-muhammad-to-read-when-he-could-not-read/

TenQ:
If your argument is that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ, why do ALL hadiths of the narrative of when Jubril came to Mohammed never translated Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT RECITE" instead, they ALL put Mohammed's response as "I CANNOT READ"?

Secondly,
The Command to Read and Mohammed's response make sense especially to a person who CANNOT Read.

A person who cannot read doesn't even Need to see the BOOK or MANUSCRIPT to respond: "I cannot READ"! Don't you think so?

If Mohammed could read, his response should be
1. What should I read? Or
2. Where is the Manuscript?

Thirdly,
If Jubril's Command was RECITE rather than READ, it is extremely stupid for the answer to be "I cannot RECITE"!
Everyone can recite.

Mohammed's response should then be
"What should I recite? " Without the drama of Saying " I cannot RECITE"!

We're going in circles, read all i've written

You're asking the same things again and again without understanding my answers

TenQ:
Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs

Why was Mohammed's response to Jubril's instruction was "I CANNOT READ" rather than "I CANNOT RECITE"?

You have to understand that it's not actually just a command, it's a full verse of the qur'an

He replied that way because for the first three times, the Angel said READ without completing the verse and so the Prophet responded appropriately

He actually lacked the ability to read something written

Why do your Islamic scholars translate IQRA as READ rather than RECITE in your Tafsirs ?

Read is the exact translation that's why

If you're struggling to understand how READ and RECITE can overlap, lookup what white people call a book reading...a book is read aloud i.e. a recital

Read can have several meanings even in English language. If i ask you to read out what's in your mind do you need a book to do that? Or is the sentence wrong?

For the sake of argument, let's say the Angel was prepping the Prophet to READ out the verses to be installed in his mind which he didn't know then, but the Prophet assumed the Angel was referring to a manuscript

TenQ:
As usual, I expect some of you Muslims to ramble about every other issue except the topic at hand. If you are IGNORANT of your Religion, it is better to be Quiet than being an EMPTY Barrel!


Islamic narratives speak of the first time Allah sent his words the Qur'an through the angel Jubril.

Mohammed was COMMANDED three different times by Jubril to READ. With each command, Mohammed was squeezed by Jubril (we don't know whether this was a punishment OR an aid to Mohammed to be able to Read).

Qur'an 96:1
ٱقۡرَأۡ بِٱسۡمِ رَبِّكَ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَ

Qur'an 96:1
Read: In the Name of your Lord Who created,

Muslims agree that the Word IQRA "READ" was the first words of Allah to Mohammed.
Unfortunately, even at the end of this encounter, Mohammed could NOT Read.

Some Muslims are trying desperately to say that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ. Unfortunately, two things get them busted
1. Mohammed said "I cannot READ" rather than "I cannot RECITE".
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3
2. The Qur'an describes the messenger of Allah as unlettered
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in their own Scriptures, in the Law and the Gospel..."
3. Mainstream Muslim understanding of the narrative
"When Prophet Muhammad (صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ) received his first revelation, he did not know how to read or write"
https://www.islamicity.org/11380/when-an-illiterate-man-was-asked-to-read/



This being said: THE QUESTION
According to Islam, we understand that when Allah says "BE", it happens
[i]1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?
2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?
3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?/i]

Thank you.

In perspective, imagine if Jesus told a blind man to SEE and the blind man could still not see!




Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

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1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?

Like i mentioned earlier, the Qur'an doesn't have to be read like a book inorder to be understood

the qur'an can be learnt through recitations alone and memorised by heart in that manner, just as millions have done

This command READ pertains to the qur'an because it's part of a verse that goes " Read in the name of your Lord"...when reading/reciting the qur'an we say 'BISMILLAH' i.e. In the name of Allah

Once again reading and reciting are the same when it comes to the qur'an (Arabic), so the Prophet fulfills the command by memorising and understanding the qur'an

2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?

the command 'READ' isn't in isolation, it's part of a verse and the beginning of revelation. 'READ' pertains to reading/reciting the qur'an i.e. the verse revealed then and subsequent to be revealed

3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?

The Prophet could neither read nor write both at that time and even until his death, an illiterate won't ask you what to read when he can't read in the first place

Don't forget, it was a terrifying experience for him, he was alone and the Angel Jibril appeared to him and started commanding him

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Dtruthspeaker:
As the op rightly pointed out, he did not say "please how can I read when there is no book?"

So the question still remains.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13488/the-first-revelation-that-came-to-the-messenger-of-allaah

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1108/the-unlettered-prophet

Please refer to these links

TenQ:
As usual, I expect some of you Muslims to ramble about every other issue except the topic at hand. If you are IGNORANT of your Religion, it is better to be Quiet than being an EMPTY Barrel!


Islamic narratives speak of the first time Allah sent his words the Qur'an through the angel Jubril.

Mohammed was COMMANDED three different times by Jubril to READ. With each command, Mohammed was squeezed by Jubril (we don't know whether this was a punishment OR an aid to Mohammed to be able to Read).

Qur'an 96:1
ٱقۡرَأۡ بِٱسۡمِ رَبِّكَ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَ

Qur'an 96:1
Read: In the Name of your Lord Who created,

Muslims agree that the Word IQRA "READ" was the first words of Allah to Mohammed.
Unfortunately, even at the end of this encounter, Mohammed could NOT Read.

Some Muslims are trying desperately to say that IQRA mean RECITE rather than READ. Unfortunately, two things get them busted
1. Mohammed said "I cannot READ" rather than "I cannot RECITE".
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 1, Hadith 3
2. The Qur'an describes the messenger of Allah as unlettered
Qur'an 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in their own Scriptures, in the Law and the Gospel..."
3. Mainstream Muslim understanding of the narrative
"When Prophet Muhammad (صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ) received his first revelation, he did not know how to read or write"
https://www.islamicity.org/11380/when-an-illiterate-man-was-asked-to-read/



This being said: THE QUESTION
According to Islam, we understand that when Allah says "BE", it happens
1. Why did Mohammed remain UNLETTERED after Allah COMMANDED him to READ three times?
2. What was the essence of the Command "Read" when there was no book given to be read?
3. Why did Mohammed say "I cannot READ" rather than "show me what to read"?

Thank you.

In perspective, imagine if Jesus told a blind man to SEE and the blind man could still not see!




Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

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Use your sense, even if the Prophet actually wanted to read at that moment, what would he have read? There was no written document there for him to read

It's a quranic command to all people and when it comes to the qur'an, reading is synonymous with reciting...e.g. if i know a chapter of the qur'an by heart, there'll be no need to open the book and read because i can already recite it by heart

The Prophet memorised all that was revealed to him through Allah's command and that satisfies the command to read

If you know anything about qur'an reading and reciting, you'd know that the qur'an is read to be recited and for understanding

For those who understand Arabic, you recite as you read for understanding, non Arabic speakers only recite the Arabic qur'an and read, but not recite translations of the qur'an

Reading and reciting the qur'an is one and the same in its original form i.e. Arabic

Hope that answers the question

garfield1:
Kaduna southern senatorial zone
Sanga:the apc deputy gov is from here.apc won here narrowly in 2019.same will happen.narrow win for tinubu.

Jemaa:they will vote obi but some will vote atiku.

Kachia:obi will win narrowly here but apc and PDP will get good votes.

Kaura: obi will win here massively.

Kauru;apc usually wins here narrowly.therefore apc wins of they divide the votes.

Zangon kataf; they will give obi bloc votes.

Kagarko; pdp usually wins here narrowly therefore votes will divide into three places.

Jaba; they will vote obi massively.

Kaduna central zone
Kajuru: obi will win here but pdp will get good votes.
Chikun: they are radical Christians and will vote obi massively.pdp highest votes is usually here.

Giwa; they usually vote apc massively.tinubu will win here.
Birnin gwari; tinubu will win here but pdp will get some votes.
Igabi: they are fanatics and will vote apc and nnpp

Kaduna north: el rufai will deliver here for tinubu with atiku getting some votes.
Kaduna south lga: tinubu will narrowly win with pdp and lp getting votes from the Christian axis

Kaduna northern zone
Zaria; tinubu will win here with a good number going to nnpp

Lere; tinubu will win here but Christians in saminaka who form 30% will vote obi.

Sabon gari;apc should win here but hon aminu shagali will give atiku votes here.

Ikara: tinubu will win here with nnpp coming second

Kubau: massive win for tinubu

Kudan: hunkuyi will deliver for nnpp with tinubu coming second.

Makarfi: tinubu and atiku will share votes here...

Summary
Apc 40%
Lp 30%
Nnpp 15%
Pdp 15%

For the governorship,Jonathan asake will win most parts of kaduna south except kauru and sanga.uba sani of apc will clear kaduna central bexcept chikun and kajuru.hunkuyi,uba sani and isa ashiru will share kad north..uba sani will emerge victorious


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I'm from Kaduna, if the election is free and fair, Atiku will most likely win

If it's not free and fair, El-rufai will help Tinubu win

Lp has no chance of winning the state, but depending on how Southern kd votes, Obi has a chance of getting 25%

Atiku will get votes in the Christian dominated parts as well because pdp is strong there, what will help Obi more is that the lp guber candidate is a Southern kd native and that'll ginger votes for Obi

Nnpp will likely only cause problems in Kano, here in kd, Kwankwaso has supporters but many are keenly aware of his near-zero chance of winning and will rather not waste their votes

Forget about Datti being from Zaria, he can't win his polling unit...any Zaria vote for lp you see will most likely be from Igbos resident therein

FromZeroToHero:
We are not supporting Peter Obi because he is an Igbo man.

Put Prof. Babagana Umara Zulum against Rochas Okorocha and Igbos will massively vote for Zulum.

Put Seyi Makinde against Hope Uzodinma Igbos will vote for Makinde.

We are not tribal bigots as people always paint it.

We vote for competence over tribe.

it's ironic that the only Igbos you're mentioning are those in the 'hausa party' APC

who is more competent between Zullum and Obi?

MANofMEN:
REVEALED: How Aso Rock Cabal Misled Buhari Into Fuel, Naira Crises Over Plot To Make Atiku President



By Alhassan Bello

As Nigerians suffer on the crises caused by the fuel scarcity and naira swap, it has been revealed that the Aso Rock cabal led by Mallam Mamman Daura is behind the problem that is making Nigerians to suffer.

Credible sources disclosed in Abuja, Katsina, Adamawa and Sokoto states that those who lost the primaries of APC tried to convince Daura to change President Muhammadu Buhari's mind in his support for Bola Ahmed Tinubu. No particular person among the losers was mentioned in the plot, but reports suggest that the plotters sold a dummy to Daura that Tinubu will not respect Buhari after getting power.

According to the sources, Daura first snubbed the promoters of the idea. It was learnt that Daura later agreed to join the plot when Atiku Abubakar, who is very close to him, convinced him that Buhari would be making a terrible mistake to allow power move to the South where northern interests may be jeopardised. Atiku told Daura several fabricated stories by a team of blackmailers he set up in PDP to argue his point.

It was learnt that to achieve the plot, Atiku and some  PDP leaders set up a blackmail group led by Nduka Obaigbena to paint a frightening picture of Fulani suffering under a southern President.  According to the sources, in this group are Dino Melaye, Sokoto Governor Aminu Tambuwal, Sule Lamido and Raymond Dokpesi.

The sources explained that Melaye and members of his group are playing on Daura's mindset in his pro-Fulani sentiment to always place Fulani interest above any other interest in Nigerian politics.

They convinced Daura that his kinsman, Atiku Abubakar, will protect Fulani interest in the coming administration while they had discovered an alleged grand plan by Tinubu and some Eastern leaders to work against Fulani interest after taking power down South.

Convinced by the presentation of  Obaigbena, Atiku was again invited by Daura, who promised Atiku that situations would be created that would make him enjoy support across the country. By this time, Atiku himself was in the dark about what the plan would be. He was asked to come back again.

Before he came back, Daura had perfected his plan. He lied to Buhari, relying on the stories by Obaigbena-led blackmail group. To implement the plot,  Daura asked Atiku to raise N85 billion to start organising his campaign. Atiku said he could not raise the money because he was broke and was yet to recover from the last presidential primaries and election expenses after losing to Buhari.

Daura therefore hatched a plan to convince Buhari to reimburse PDP states that implemented Federal projects so that he could be seen as a national leader who does not discriminate. Buhari agreed. Daura, who is widely known for his rabid pro-Fulani disposition, thereafter tutored Atiku to worm himself to the hearts of PDP governors that will benefit from the windfall. Buhari was convinced by his nephew and paid the money to the states. Some of these governors include Nyesom Wike of Rivers, Ifeanyi Okowa of Delta and Godwin Obaseki of Edo State. But the plan failed to work as Wike began a political war with Atiku and so could not release Rivers money to Atiku. Obaseki also refused to surrender his state money, but Okowa released huge sums of money to Atiku for their joint campaign.

When details of how Okowa surrendered Delta money to Atiku leaked, civil servants and pensioners protested on the streets and asked Okowa to explain how he spent their money. The South East governors that benefited from Buhari's windfall also refused to surrender their money.

With Atiku facing imminent failure, Daura called in Central Bank Governor, Godwin Emefiele, and NNPC Managing Director, Alhaji Kyari, a Fulani, to join in the plot to blackmail APC into failure and set Nigerians against the party. Emefiele was not difficult to convince to join the plot because he and Okowa are cousins from Agbor, Delta State. Daura worked on Emefiele to convince Buhari about the international honour he will get if he organises credible election devoid of votes buying. Emefiele therefore bypassed Finance Minister, his supervisory authority, to convince Buhari to change Nigeria currency to purportedly prevent votes buying.

The ignorant Buhari who always wants to be seen as upright, bought into the idea. Even the Federal Ministry of Finance fumed over the plan because without its input, Daura convinced Buhari that naira change was the best option for Buhari to organise a clean election. While Daura had hoped that PDP governors would surrender the reimbursements by Buhari to finance Atiku's election, reality dawned on him when these governors, except Okowa, refused to surrender their money.

Kyari also quickly joined the plot that has potential to keep him in office after Atiku's victory, hence the crisis in fuel distribution system that has crippled the nation's economy, resulting in sufferings all over Nigeria in which APC government is held responsible, not knowing that PDP is at work in collaboration with Buhari's nephew.

In the last few days, Dino Melaye has been visiting Emefiele's house during dark hours along with some CBN senior officials of Fulani stock,  according to another credible source in Abuja.

And so with failure imminent in Atiku's camp, the  option of blackmailing APC as a bad party is better, by setting Nigerians against the party by twin plots of petrol scarcity and printing of small quantities of naira notes while setting a short timeline  to effect a change of naira to create scarcity, a method that can't work even in a country of 30 million people. By these plots, Nigerians will naturally campaign against APC as a bad party amid widespread suffering that will create opportunity for Atiku to win.

But all the plots collapsed as northern governors led by Nasir El-Rufai and Atiku Bagudu got wind of the plot. They spoke with Buhari about the problem, reminding him about the sacrifices the Southern politicians made to give victory to Buhari. Surprisingly, Bauchi Governor was reported to buy into El-Rufai's group argument. Therefore, within a short period, the cabal held several meetings while El-Rufai group also held their meetings.

In one of the meetings, Buhari was reminded about his place in history and that he should remember that he could not spend his youth to keep Nigeria one during the civil war but now spend his adult life to divide Nigeria. He was told clearly that the West will naturally join the East to end the union called Nigeria if Buhari sticks to the Daura plot to retain power in the North.

According to sources, Buhari had to bend from his hard line stance when young elements of his Fulani stock told him the truth about the impending danger if Northern politicians break the agreement with their Southern counterparts, more so that the last Constutional Conference recommended power rotation between North  and South, which political parties in Nigeria, including PDP and APC, adopted in their zoning arrangement in their constitutions.

The fallout of the initiatives of the young elements in Northern establishment led to the meeting with Buhari on Friday where Buhari was told about the dangers of failing to follow the agreement on power rotation.

For now, PDP's plot with Daura, who wants a Fulani man to succeed Buhari at all costs, may fail as Buhari may not be able to control the anger and rebellion that will follow the failure to take power back to the South.


(I am Dr Alhassan Bello, a patriotic Nigerian writing from Abuja FCT)

Any Northerner who reads this knows a Southerner wrote this

Alhassan Bello is a nom de guerre, a fake name

There are many things i can point to, but one easy one is that no Northerner will call the NNPC head a Fulani man...the name Kyari is a very common Kanuri name

smh

mariahAngel:
What do they call it in the north?
It's almost similar to Cote D'Ivoire's attieke.

I can create at least two separate meals with those ingredients you listed above. 🙂

I believe it's called kwado...mainly a Northwest appetizer

Sermwell:
So the people in kafanchan ready to vote for Peter Obi are Igbos? I'm not Igbo but I'm right here waiting to vote for Peter Obi! What's your point exactly?

The people of Kafanchan have the right to vote who they like, as do you

The issue is the OP, an obvious Igbo man, trying to use ethno-religious politics of division in the North and worst of all Kaduna State, considering it's political history

Obi is very irresponsible for using religion as a tool to seek for votes, while pretending he wants to unify Nigeria and change things

Nnamdi Kanu and Ipob have been talking about 'liberating' Northern Christians and it's clear this is the blueprint they want to follow

Rest assured that Ipob's programs will not be used to set the North apart and on fire

Obi and his supporters can campaign as they like, i'm only reminding them that all actions have consequences and they better be ready to face them

Zeezenho:
Urchin you lie from pit of hell,listen una too small for us to deal with. our political life depends on us and we are now up and out for it.

Just use now till the election to pray Obi miraculously wins, because if not, you'll be paid in full

stuffs2002:
The bolded is Very true. They can't live in peace with themselves or anyone.

Why post pictures of communal clashes just to score cheap political points.

Obi's deputy Datti is lucky Obi isn't viewed as a big deal in the state, otherwise, he'd have been made a pariah

Imagine being used as a tool for cheap political points against your own people

alsudan:
Your Osu line has become stale, you can do better.

If there’s no Yoruba Muslim and Christian, why did Muric insist on voting only a Muslim Candidate.

Why are people from Southern Kaduna not good enough for Governor, Deputy, State Chief Judge, Speaker, SSG, Chief of Staff Or Head of Service.

You idiot, where do you think El-Rufai's deputy is from?

alsudan:
Peter Obi is bringing a message of Hope and Liberation to the good people of Southern Kaduna.

Kafanchan is the HQ of Southern Kaduna, the most persecuted people in Nigeria.

Persecuted by APC, Muslim Jihadist, Fulani Herdmen, Hell Rufai with his Muslim Muslim Deputy.

Even though they make up 40% of Kaduna State, they’re not seen to be good enough for Governor, Deputy, State Chief Judge, Speaker, SSG, Chief of Staff Or Head of Service.

The Only Governor they ever produced (Patrick Yakowa), who only became Governor because former President GEJ selected then Governor of Kaduna State Namadi Sambo to be his Vice after the passing of Yaradua died in suspicious circumstance.

A place where Christians are Persecuted daily, their priests killed for fun and their traditional rulers are also killed and replaced with Emirs.

Southern Kaduna will play their part by guaranteeing 100% votes for PO and as he assumes office on May 29th 2023, the safety and welfare of Southern Kaduna inhabitants must be of topmost importance to him.

You Igbos will lose this election and it'll be clear to you your political destiny is not yours to decide


This divisive politics you're playing, we'll return it to you tenfold

You people will hate yourselves...this is a guarantee

The beginning of your misery will be at the conclusion of the election

Pravedk:
Oga stop kidding. I'm replying you live from Kafanchan in southern Kaduna. Obi is winning here no doubt
And they got a very vibrant young senatorial candidate shaking things here.

This is a town well known to me

Take it to the bank- Obi is winning Kaduna state.

You must be Igbo, that's the only way someone who claims to be in KD can say Obi will win

floret23:
Worse still, thereafter, another Muslim from the North would likely take over for another eight years, making 24 year. The worst is the bad presidence of Muslim-Muslim ticket. No muslim can tolerate such injustice.

Soludo told you that supporting Obi is akin to aiding Tinubu, you think it's a lie?

It's ironic how you guys will end up guaranteeing the very thing you're trying to avoid

You guys are obstinately committing hara-kiri

Yaribanzaonic:
It's not my business if PDP is jittery or not. What concerns me is the fact that, by ,useless actions of El Rufai as regards security , he has handed Peter OBI a SOLID VOTE COUNT in a state he wouldn't have seen any significant vote. As for APC..it's truly a poor outing because, economically El Rufai killed that state. The citizens he sacked and displaced with all attendant religious bias, has made his state a free for all. You can't bank on Kaduna state for Block votes for APC.

A Kaduna resident is giving you real insight and you're arguing...Kaduna isn't in the Southeast

But Obidients have to admit that it's funny
lol

ablejesus26:
Looll you just want to do your usual Igbo Tribal banters,it's on record that the war was declared no Victor no Vanquish
The War was not just territorial battle it was a War to stamp our Stand on intimidation and oppression,same thing you see Ukraine doing today.
Igbo made her point loud and clear for 3years with the odds so slim,with the food blockade,with very little provisions.
It was a War worth fighting.
War's over,We have done well to heal and build up,you and ipob niggas can go ahead to continue doing una tribal gbasgbos na una sabi that one, after all na una passion and purpose of existing be that Ndigbo understands that We are not the first to fight a Civil War,We have therefore after coming back into the Union given our best to the progress of this Country in every sphere. An average Igboman is a true countryman,My Chinese friend use to say that the Igbos are His no 1 Nigerian,look around you and see for yourself,even after fighting a War against the Union,the Igbo Tribe still continue to give their all to the socio-economical development of this Country. Sports,Commerce, Education just name it.
Equity, Fairness, justice is what Igbo calls for, same thing Oduduwa movement and Ijaw movement are calling for now.
End Apc save NIGERIA Now.
I stand with Peter Obi.

I have no beef with Igbo people, i just detest irrational tribal bias

FreedomfromtheT:
You are right sir. A lot of Nigerians are convinced that Peter Obi, who happens to be a Nigerian Igbo, is the right person to lead us as president this time around.

What you claim can only be, if he wins

One man One vote

owobokiri:
The only major ethnic group in Nigeria that can freely play subtle and open ethnic cards during this coming presidential election, is the Igbo! The political victimization and marginalization directed towards this group has become so glaring, that we have to all a spadee a spade!

The igbos have been schemed out of power by the rest of the two major ethnic groups in the country since 1966! All sorts of funny and cunny excuses have been used to perpetuate this infamy! Since 1966!!! It's almost a century! We are now going to choose between a very sound Igbo son and two proven thieves! The country like the Jews want a Bassabas!?

Since 1966, the Yoruba and the Hausa/fulani have been producing the presidents as if it's their birthrights! Looting other peoples resources to sustain their medieval political hegemony! The country was formed based on a tripod. For two of the the three major ethnic groups to gang up against one for almost a century, while accusing the one they ganged up against of tribalism, is simply Evil!

We have got to a stage where if the rest of the country are afraid of an igbo president, they should simply allow the igbos to form their own republic, since the igbos are not afraid of an Igbo president!

Election is a calculus, not a soap opera

Calculations win, not emotions

If others can be convinced of the value of an Igbo ticket, they'll go for it....that's how it works

gidgiddy:
Its incredible how you people are not too concerned if Igbos are the ones being slaughtered

Will constant tribalism from you increase Igbos' safety?

Show me you care first

Yaribanzaonic:
E pain am well well...

at the bolded...

that is the most useless and stewpid excuse given by a person, whose house is presently owned by a "hostile" visitor. Just see your loyalty in slavish foolishness, to occupiers of your generational ancestral lands!! To imagine the EMIR represents all OBAs on the traditional council of traditional rulers!! you are pitiable...spits!! IMAGINE OWNING YOUR LANDS VIA CONQUEST..and you are ok with it, but you wanna banter with IGBO people?? Who the same Jihadist are serially cautious of, even from the Sultanate, that an IGBO dealt with

Guy, its on record the Women warriors from dahomey killed your egbons.. ..pathetic!!

just take a break and cry sorrowfully ...have ballz and be MEN. Even if its half...spits

I heard you Igbos didn't originally have Kings in your lands and that the ones currently existing were installed by the colonialists...why have you maintained them?

Traditional rulers are the custodians of a people's history and culture. Ilorin's history and culture is embodied by the Emir of Ilorin, same goes for all the Obas in their domains

Yorubas respect their traditional ways and customs, but realise their future will be forged through modern political systems and are forging an enviable one

Yoruba administration evidently towers above Igbo administration, which is one of the reasons Yorubaland is more attractive to Nigerians including Easterners than Igboland is

Yorubas have forged empires and already have a blueprint as to the extent of Yorubaland and its boundaries....Yorubaness is hence, never in question and that's why Yorubas and Northerners can have cordial relationships

Igboland on the other hand has an identity crisis, IPOB believes Igboland extends beyond the Southeast into the SouthSouth, but those in the SouthSouth claimed by the Southeast reject them and their Igbo cause

Long and short of it is, being abusive and verbally aggressive doesn't show you are brave, if anything, it's an affirmation of your weakness

Yaribanzaonic:
Ogbeni...i fought a war ...i was defeated according to you, and all parts of IGBO territorial lands still remain intact. ..FACTS!!

I dont have any OBA or Emir in IGBOLAND...and all our cultural beliefs from time immemorial are still 1000% intact and untainted by foreign influence...FACTS


Go and reclaim ILORIN ..and stop being foolish.
Imagine an EMIR in an OBA enclave!!...

What do you call a surrender to your enemies?

The fact that Igboland and traditions are intact is proof that the Nigerian State aren't out to conquer you guys, contrary to all your claims of 'Fulani Jihad'

You Igbos don't seem to understand the concept of interconnectedness of people, interwoven histories and a what unites a people

You seem to have this racist view of the world at the core of your beliefs similar to nazism, jewish zionism, white supremacy etc, ideologies founded on the idea of being endangered, while simultaneously being superior and also violent/violence promoting

Ilorin people have no problems forging their own identity, they're not insecure as you lots

gidgiddy:
You have to have the heart to fight, then you talk about defeat

I would rather be from a tribe that stood up and fought like men, and was defeated, than be you guys that can never ever fight for a second, to even talk about getting to the point of defeat

If you can accept defeat as you claim, then why are you still reeling from it and unable to move on?

The worst part is that you weren't a combatant in the war but harbour hatred from its outcome

Not all battles need to become wars, some require strategy and skillful navigation to win without it resulting in armed confrontations

mrvitalis:
Someone needs a history lesson

I agree and not the Nnamdi Kanu IPOB variant of history

gidgiddy:
Are you talking about the same Northerners who were slaughtering Igbos long before 1966 in the Jos massacre of 1945 and the Kano massacre of 1953? What do you think happened to the sensibilities of Igbos then?

So you won't rest until you slaughter Northerners in the same way? Or does that give you the right to perpetually insult and malign?

What would you gain by causing crises that negatively affect Igbos?