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Truthseeker10:
😂😂so you don't know whether the Information that you are passing is true or false? Na wa oo.

Yes sir. I do not know and that it is the reason I called it and opinion and my personal submission and not a fact.

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Truthseeker10:
😂is your thought correct or not sir?

Will I be a judge in my own case? Please feel free to pass your judgement on me. I will respect your opinion like I always do.

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Truthseeker10:
Will the new earth be in heaven?

I don't know how the new earth will be and where it will be. All I know is where Christ is is where I will be in that new earth whether it is this present one that will be renewed or there is a new one that will replace this one or the new earth is heaven, I don't care. All I know is wherever it is and however it look, I will be there.

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Truthseeker10:
What is your reason for your statement in bold above?

Sir, like I said, it my thoughts and it carries less weight.

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tctrills:
Ok but then it also could have been the old testament saints. Anyway I love your opinions.

Sir.
The probability of it being the old testament saints is very slim.
Imagine Abraham in that fold telling people around Jerusalem that he is Abraham and also Moses did the same etc. it would have been historical in Christianity that people would be calling it a myth today and I doubt if all in Jerusalem will doubt Jesus if Abraham and the old testament saints had risen and preached him.

Thanks for your calm compliment sir.

QuinQ:
See the full quotation below madam. And no I don't need an apology. I don't know any mainstream Christian men who cover their hair in church nor women who uncover or shave off theirs. Do you?

For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

Sir.
I have made my submission and I respect yours
But let me ask you. If the covering of women's hair showed marital submission to their husbands. What about those who are not married that use hair covering? Should they use hair covering?
But like I said. I respect your view. People who have read our submissions will know what has been discussed and they have the liberty to make their decision.

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QuinQ:
How are we sure you're a man?
Don’t put words in Mr. Paul's mouth. He never said it's a disgrace to her. Below is what he said exactly:

but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

Sir.
If you know my trajectory you will know I always respect people's opinion and I don't like back and forth but you accused me of putting words in Paul's mouth which is unfair and it is because you overlooked a verse in that chapter. I don't need an apology but I just want you to know that you are not fair to me.
This is what Paul said himself
1 Corinthians 11:6
[6]Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, she should cut off all her hair! [/b]But since it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or her head shaved,[b] she should wear a covering.

QuinQ:
Thanks madam but remember, Paul always told us when he was writing something outside God's instructions (like his own opinion). He could have simply kept quiet on the subject but If he found it necessary to include "If a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him", you really think Christian men should go about wearing long hair??

I am a man.
I have made my points and you have made yours. It is a cultural thing. Let me conclude this way.
You were particular about "men". Let me say this, didn't Paul also say "a woman on cut is shameful to that woman?" Did that apply again today? Many women are going on cut now and it is normal in our culture of today.
If you agree that a man should not have long hair, then a woman should not cut her hair, since Paul said both are shameful.
Sir, it has cultural interpretation in all areas and not spiritual.

THAT RULE BINDS BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. DONT LET US EXCLUDE WOMEN AND FOCUS ON MEN ALONE. IF WOMEN BREAK THE RULES AND MEN BREAK THE RULES, WHY DO WE EXEMPT WOMEN THAT CUT THEIR HAIR AND CASTIGATE MEN THAT KEEP THEIR HAIR.

[quote author=tctrills post=134946639][/quote]Sir.
Please take what I want to say as a view and not a final authority. I only share my personal knowledge of the scriptures here and I may be right or wrong. That is why it's just a view.
To your question sir. I have done my research over the years on that passage and below are my findings and submission.
MY FINDINGS
1. It was only Matthew (out of the four gospels) who captured this epic story. Why?

2. This story was never referenced in Peter's first sermon on Jesus resurrection in Acts 2 and was never referenced by Paul or any apostles in their letters. Why is it that isolated if it is an epic story indeed?

3. If the likes of Abraham, Adam, Abel had appeared to many in Jerusalem, it will be the most historic event in Jewish history. Why didn't eye witness historians like the most popular historian Josephus document this most glorious and epic even.

4. Are we misinterpreting Matthew's writer usage of the word "saints" in that story capture?

MY SUBMISSION
When Jesus died, three things happened and the rising of the dead followed the third and last which is the earthquake (vs 51-53).
Let's start with verse 51c.
"The earth shook, the rock split apart."
Verse 52.
"The tomb were opened and many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead"
Verse 53
After Jesus resurrection, they left their tombs and appeared to many.

Now, my submission is this. From the three verses that captured this incident it should that after the death of Jesus, many dead people (who had died recently maybe some days prior to Jesus death, not 5,000 years ago) came back to life and at Jesus resurrection they were free from their tomb and joined to their family Jesus like Lazarus was raised from the dead. It proved that at Jesus death, one of the many signs was that his death brought people back to life.
Adam, Abraham, Abel, Deborah are not the one that came back to life. If it was it must have been historical, all the gospel writers would capture it, all the apostles will capture it and all the Jewish historians will right literature about it since they appeared to many.

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QuinQ:
Not sure what you mean. But here’s Paul

1 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

Sir.
From the verses you quoted, it is the verse that showed that it is cultural. That verse 14 is what exposed the cultural aspect. The word "nature" used by Brother Paul is the Greek word "phusis" which means "Native disposition, constitution or usage."
When you study the Roman culture in which Paul is a citizen and the Corinthians were her colony, you will know that their men don't keep long hair (even in their movies like Spartacus and the likes) they believe it is Barbariana (the Tracians and other unlearned culture even Jewish men that keep long hair, most of the pictures of Jesus attributes long hair to him though he is a man). Their (Roman) women don't cut their hair (cutting hair is a sign of adultery and prostitution).
Sir, read more on Roman culture on hair for both men and women.
So, Brother Paul was using it to pass a message across which is culturally binding like Yorubas will teach their daughters to kneel to greet and boy should prostrate. It is culturally good but not spiritually binding because you can't force that greeting style on a European child. I hope you get.

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tctrills:
Let's take a look at the last 5 verses of Hebrew 11
From verse 35

Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

These verses speak of people who died without receiving the promise of Jesus Christ, yet they had faith in him. Then we read verse 40, which says that they can't be made perfect without us.

So my question is, what do we do to make these people perfect? Are these people still living, or are they dead?

We also read in verse 13,
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

My question here is, since the faithful servants of old did not receive the promise, are we also responsible for their salvation? I advice you read the entire chapter for more understanding.

Sir.
The answer you are looking for is in verse 35c "They place their hope in a better life after the RESURRECTION."

To your question.
The old testament saints have not reached perfection (the resurrection to a new life without death and sin) without us the new testament saints.
This shows that ALL of us, Abraham, Adam, Peter and we who are still alive will all be made perfect (resurrection to a new life without sin and death) together.
So, currently, they are still asleep like Paul called it in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 waiting for the Resurrection trumpet sound where all the saints both dead and living will be made PERFECT (RESURECT) together in the First resurrection according to Revelation 20:4-6. I hope we all be partakers of this great day of Joy when we will be with our Lord for a thousand years and after the judgement of the dead (Revelation 20:11-15), we will be with him on the new earth forever (Revelation 21). Amen.

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bixton:
Arab cultural standard takes it's root from where?

Any cultural standard that looks like it can't be questioned or seems like people are being held captive morally, psychological, mentality and even spiritually then its not safe and never for their own good but for the good of he who formulated it.

Sir.
I do not understand your feedback sir.
Can you clarify?

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sonmvayina:
The high priest is the one who goes into the holy of holies to perform the animal sacrifice to God in the place God appointed for it. So how can one person be both the high priest and the sacrificial lamb at the same time. Somebody is definitely lying...and I know who.

Thank you sir.
I have made my submission and it is clear from the write up. You have made your conclusion And I definitely respect that that's your choice.

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Sirmwill:
Exactly 🙂

How can we know if it is truly God
By seeing which fruits he produces according to Jesus.
The things he says, the things he does, his actions
What do they portray, what do they lead to, in the hearts and actions of people around him or people that listen to him
In that way, we can know.
Also, I really believe that Men of God are not people with the "Pastor" tag standing in the front of Crowd and telling them what is glaring enough in the Bible.
A man of God is anyone who has the heart of Jesus. The Heart of Perfect love

You are 100% correct sir. No addition, no subtraction.

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bixton:
If there is no clear cut difference between the people of God and the people of the world then there's absolutely a serious problem....

It's always crystal clear in the Bible.
God always warns his people to be different from the people of other nations.

Smile.
Our difference is in our lifestyle; the way we live and conduct ourselves. When it comes to dressing, it should be that a believer should cover his/her unclothedness. Anything beyond this is cultural which may be morally right.
Let me tell you sir, a well covered woman by Yoruba cultural standard is a half naked woman in Arab's cultural standard.

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QuinQ:
Feel free to "opininate". You have my permission

Smile. Just for the sake of scriptures and it's teaching. In 1 Corinthians 11:1-16; The doctrine of a woman cutting her hair and a man having long hair was a Roman cultural thing.
As you cannot criticize a woman cutting her hair in present cultural settings, you cannot accuse a man of having long hair because both were captured on the same rule which is cultural just like "holy kiss" still being practiced in Russian churches but against our culture here in Africa but it is culturally biblical.

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CorperKola:
Isnt that the whole point, so that people can just accept it and not opionate on it.
Or why do you really think he said this

That is why everyone will face God. When he does, God whom he has said gave him the go ahead will decide whether or not he told him that.
I do not even have issues with his hair. Like I said "it's a cultural thing" but him saying God told him "then he has made himself answerable directly to God." And for me to be fair to him, I will leave him to that God.

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Though it is a cultural thing but based on Paul's advice, we must understand the cultural sensitivity of our environment.
But he brought another dimension into it when he said "God told him..." It became difficult to opininate freely on it like I would have loved to freely do.

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sonmvayina:
It is really good to be back.

I was almost blind in both eyes, as I could barely see for the past few months. But thanks to the ingenuity and wisdom of the Indians. They came up with curative solutions to health issues..
I can see now

Just like my creator intended...Thanks to the creator forgiving them the wisdom and to the Indians for putting it into use .

My topic today is a very controversial one .can the J man be the sacrificial lamb and the high priest at the same time?
This is one aspect of Christianity that the adherents are too lazy to confront. But for me it is all bollocks and more lies from the Christian scriptures..

Any explanation?

Though you have concluded that it is a lie, so there is no need convincing you.
But you asked a question that begs for an answer and I will answer it whether it changes your mind or not.

The Jesus who died was the lamb.
The Jesus who resurrected was the High priest.
He died as a lamb and resurrected, but ascended to heaven has the High priest.

I won't explain further since you already concluded but that answers the question for those who are willing to know and accept the truth.
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Who told you Abdurahman Abdulrasak of Kwara is Fulani? Lol...you people don't even make research. How sure are we that others ethnic groups are even correct?
Kwara state governor is the son of the first lawyer in Northern Nigeria, Abdulganiyu FOLORUNSHO AbdulRazaq who is a Yoruba man from Ilorin West and was born in Onisha.

Please, do well to do your research.

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I think it was a typo error.
I believe he meant Billion and not Trillion.

Na Michael Orokpo
Him face no change at all

Omoawoke:
Did you see the warning message I gave you?

Address issues like somebody with basic IQ

Face the issue…. The issue is about Tower of Babel being false!! And that’s what this thread is about…

After we establish it’s false , we can move forward to looking for answers of our languages…. Please don’t derail this thread

Okay.
There is nothing more to talk about then.

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Omoawoke:
Where the Bible scholars ooo

Let me ask why Bible scholars never like anything that has to do with scrutinizing Bible stories ….. ‼️

Thanks you sir.
Since ChatGBT is your source. Why can't you ask and answer the following 5 questions then I may be we can engage.
1. Which one existed first. The EGG or the HEN?
2. How did humans come to being?
3. Was there a common language among the first humans?
4. Who taught the first humans the first language they spoke?
5. How do have different languages today?

Let ChatGBT answer these questions one after the other as I stated them and then we can talk..

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Love800:
Your comment made so much sense. I like guys who do critical reasoning. Many people will not still pay attention to this cultural and spiritual analysing that you just put!

I appreciate.

You are wlc sir.
The Roman cultural rules that guides a married woman to cover their heads in public places as a show of marital submission to her husband also guides married men that covering their heads is shameful and shows that they are submissive to their wives at home which is bad.
The Question is: What about women that are not married? Should they also cover their head as a show of submission to a husband they don't have?
In Indian culture, a married woman show sign of marriage by putting a read mark on their foreheads always. When you see that it shows the person is married.
In Western culture, it is a ring. When you see a ring on the finger of a man or woman, it shows the person is married.

So, it is more of a cultural thing and not spiritual.

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bodmas119:
I need someone to explain to me better where is it written in the Bible for men not to be wearing caps when they are inside church.

It is a cultural thing. It is not a spiritual thing.

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I do not think there is a U-turn here. Semantics shows that he was only retriating what he had said earlier that there will be no rally for security reasons.
I may not support his line of thoughts but that was exactly what he retriated.

MightySparrow:
Allah was being worshipped in ka'aba before the birth of Mohammed. How is that Jehovah of Israel?

Sir.
You need to ask yourself sir.
1. Did Job and Abraham serve the same God?
2. If yes, do they call him the same name?
3. If yes, what is the name Job called God?
4. What is God in Greek? Is it Jehovah?
Answer these four questions one after the other sir.

Take this as a case study in answering your questions because you talked about Allab being worship before Mohammad was born, which is normal.
In Yoruba land, God was called "Olorun" even before Christianity came and adopted that name as the sovereign God.
Will you say "Olorun" was an Idol because Yorubas have worshipped "Olorun" before the Missionaries adopted it?

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MightySparrow:
This question is a serious one and need serious answers from religionists from Abrahamic faiths.

Sir.
This your question is very simple, people only make it complicated.
Let me ask you.
1. What is Jehovah (God) in Greek language?
2. What is God in Arabic?
3. What is the name Hausa people in Nigeria both Christian and Muslims call God?

If you put these three questions into Perspective, you will know that God's name depends on Language and Location. It is still the same God.
We may be serving God diferently. Even within the Church (body of Christ), people serve differently.

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shumuel:
It is not just a lie but a blatant lie, that's if he really said that and not that his words were misinterpreted

It is easy to know a lie this huge even though we were not present or have evidence against it but please ask yourself these questions

1. How much would Michael Jackson be offered in 1995
2. How much would a Football star be offered to play for top Europe clubs in 1995
3. How many Cassette would be sold to make profit, if a record deal of £24 million is offered to a Gospel singer in 1995
4. How much sales do Gospel singers make in 1995
5. How much sales did he himself made in that year to have attracted such a huge amount
6. How much of illuminati was in existence in 1995 to have wanted the Name Jesus Christ to be omitted or reduced in a Gospel song


If he had said Today in 2025, Yes it is very believable with no doubt, even though Gospel music is not that big

Those are possible variables that should be looked into. And you have made a very strong argument that cannot just be dispelled.
Only him can ascertain whether or not it is true. I doubt it but I can pass a judgement. I would only be preemptive.

I WILL LIKE TO BE MODERATE IN THIS CASE LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS DONE IN ALL CASES.
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LLMG:
Have you met a genuine Christian, try meet one, then, you will know this is nothing

Sir.
I believe the words I used is fair enough.
"Difficult to believe" means "unbelievable but not impossible."

Scripturally speaking.
NOBODY should be paid by the church. Not the pastor nor the workers.

The only people to be taken care of by the church are the elderly widows and the extreme orphans with no hope or help.

Both the pastor and other workers should work or do business or invest to also help the above listed people.

Paul was a tent maker and no scriptures about being paid. We didn't hear that any of the apostles or early Christians leaders were paid.

Now, members in their own free volition may give willingly to appreciate these pastors and other workers or leaders. That is also acceptable.
They may also be catered for by wealthy members. That is also normal.
But to be paid from the church purse is not scriptural nor expedient.
Nothing like full time pastor. The work of God is full time generally and it did not stop anyone from working to support their family and the church.

So, the answer is NONE. Not the Pastor nor any of the workers working in any capacity.

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