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cornelboy:
The Hebrew equivalent for "theos" should be El/Elohim.

I won't do your research for you.

You just box yourself sir.
If the Hebrew word for theos is El or Elohim (Which I agree)


Then the question you left unanswered is WHAT IS YAHWEH (JEHOVAH) IN GREEK? SIMPLE.

Abi the Jews abandoned Yahweh (Jehovah) when they started speaking adopted Greek Aramaic?
What is YAHWEH IN GREEK? OOOO

cornelboy:
Jehovah is same as theos keh

Baba go do your research stop spewing wrong info here.

Me, research?
You don't know me.

Okay.
If Yahweh (Jehovah) is Hebrew, What is the Greek equivalent?

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you are deceiving yourself!

My respect sir.
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MaxInDHouse:
I'm happy to expose your iniquity today that you are a worker of lawlessness as you don't want to join God's modern day worshipers in doing God's will despite seeing all their good work! Matthew 7:16-18

So you can now disappear never engage me in any discussion until you explain how possible it is for you to work with ancient prophets of God despite knowing their flaws yet you can't work with their modern day counterpart for what you term as flaws?

Max
Expose? That is for God to do at his coming and it will be revealed to the world the intention of every humans hearts.

I PAY MY RESPECT.

I BOW OUT.

THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
I have put immaculate in his rightful place!
He respected Jehovah's Witnesses, our dedication and our works of faith but he keeps deceiving himself about the flaws of those taking the lead among God's modern day worshipers.
But the hypocrite said he believe that all inspired Bible writers are imperfect so they are fallible except Jesus Christ who is a perfect son of God and he said he would have joined those working with them yet in his own time he can see a peaceful global organization of worshipers as promised in the Bible {Isaiah 2:2-4} but because of what faithless people are saying about them he will not join them in doing God's will even though he highly respected them.

Max.
What do you gain by manipulating my words and put it in the way I didn't. Why?

If that makes you feel good and happy. I won't deny you that sir.

ENJOY
THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's evident that you are deceiving yourself!

If you will accept those people as God's representatives and join them in doing what other dedicated servants of God are doing with them then what stops you from accepting the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses as modern day representatives of the same God?

Max
Lol.
I also believe that they are imperfect humans too.
Did God tell Peter to not eat at the same table when the friends of James walked in?
Was his behavior God influenced or human influenced?
Galatians 2:12
[12]When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision.

ANSWER OOO

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure that after seeing the flaws of inspired prophets like Moses, Isaiah and the first century disciples of Christ knowing fully well they are imperfect you will be submissive to what they are doing with others who are supporting them in doing God's will?

YES or NO!

Yes, I would.
Peter even showed his flaw twice in scriptures. (1) When he denied Christ (2) When he was led astray by the friends of James and Paul rebuked him.

But I still believe in the letter of Peter, because it was his own message to the believers at the time.

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MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't need all these epistle all i need from you is a YES or NO answer.

I you lived as a contemporary of God's inspired writers would you have joined them in doing what they were inspired to write down after discovering their flaws?

YES or NO!

Yes. I would.
Galatians 4:13-14
[13]Surely you remember that I was sick when I first brought you the Good News.
[14]But even though my condition tempted you to reject me, you did not despise me or turn me away. No, you took me in and cared for me as though I were an angel from God or even Christ Jesus himself.

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MaxInDHouse:
Even immaculate self no fit talk again!

I didn't intend to engage him at all. I never did that..
You pointed my attention by claiming he is an atheist. As a believer who want to be Just like the scriptures encouraged me to, it behoves on me to confirm from him before making my judgement of his person. I have done that and I don't need to engage him unless he himself want me to clarify something he wants clarity on


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MaxInDHouse:
Please if you lived as a contemporary of God's inspired writers would you have joined them in doing what they were inspired to write down after discovering their flaws?

No one can come to the Son unless the Father bring him. I tell people, whatever you are looking for in the scriptures you will see it. If you are looking for God, you will see him, if it is the devil you will see him there. If you are looking for errors, e plenty, you will see it there.
At least Job served God without any scriptures to read only oral traditions and conscience.

Back to you question. I will believe in God irrespective of human flaws. We have agreed earlier that humans including the apostles have their human flaws. We started with that today.

SO, THE WORD OF FOD IS INSPIRED BY A PERFECT GOD AND CONVEYED IN SPEECH AND WRITING THROUGH IMPERFECT HUMANS USING IMPERFECT LANGUAGES.


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Truthseeker10:
Who is Jehovah? You claimed that Jehovah is not the specific name of the Father and you also claimed that Yahweh is specific. Explain.

Max understands all these you are asking. If you can't research my work. Go ask him.

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MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe in the Bible as God's word?

I believe in God who is in himself perfection and I believe the Bible as the word of God inspired by a perfect God to some imperfect humans with imperfect languages across the ages.

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MaxInDHouse:
I'm highly disappointed in immaculate, in fact i now realized that i've wasted my time with someone who is so naive like that!

Max.
I am sorry to disappoint you sir. It is not intentional, it is just my way of confirming this from the horse's mouth.

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MaxInDHouse:
YES nah, atheists don't believe in the existence of any GOD, God, god at all that's what the Psalmist is saying but as a worshiper of Jehovah we must apply the name of our own God because we believe He is the only true God!

You are correct sir. I hold that view too. Jehovah is my God.

MaxInDHouse:
Chai, so upon all your gra-gra you could be this naive.
Ọmọ i'm highly disappointed in you!

First of all "GOD" means "SUPREME BEING" so since we can't see Him it's only through His written word we can be sanctified as one {John 17:17} therefore if there is contradictions in what we need to be sanctified then what makes Him God?

Max.
I am sorry if I have disappointed you by not joining you to condemn him and that shows i am naive. I apologize. But I asked him and he said he believes in God, should I still insist he is an atheist? Will I redefine the meaning of the word so as to hang him?

Contradictions?
I am not afraid of contradiction in the scriptures because it is written by human and humans are not perfect. They are only INSPIRED, God did not hold their hands to write it.

I would have only asked him.
SHOW ME THE CONTRADICTION? When he does, I will explain to him why it may not be a contradiction as he thought. That's why the knowledge of the original Greek and Hebrew is important because most of what people call contradictions are just error in translation from one language to lanother language.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm still talking to immaculate o!

The Bible says:

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Psalms 14:1


Our God Jehovah has helped us to solved the puzzle, you won't say it with your mouth it's hidden in your heart!

Max.
You used *Jehovah* for Elohim in the original Hebrew.
It means you agree that Jehovah and Elohim can be interchangeably used for "god" and they both mean "god".

Psalms 14:1
[1]Only fools say in their hearts,
    “There is no God (Elohim).”
They are corrupt, and their actions are evil;
    not one of them does good!

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Truthseeker10:
Oga you are just beating around the bush.
If you claimed that the Greek word "theos" mean and is translated as "God" in English, what is the Hebrew word for "God" in Genesis 1:1?

GO AND RESEARCH MY WRITE UP.

THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm beginning to see your real personality, someone said God's word is contradicting itself:



And you're still asking if he is an atheist?

Abeg what makes a person an atheist if not their feeling that there is contradictions in the book we are using as God's word?

An atheist is defined as some who do not believe in a god.
Not someone who disagree with some things about his God.
So, he is not an atheist since he believes in God.

So, it is wrong to call someone who believes that there is God an atheist.

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tctrills:
If I am an atheist, I will be teaching that there is no God. Your new friend is a shameless liar. He is shameless because he doesn't mind being exposed.

I am happy to know you are not an atheist. Thanks a lot.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣this guy is funny.....so the Hebrew word translated as "Yahweh" in Deuteronomy 32:9 is the same word for "God" in Genesis 1:1?

Oga what is the Hebrew word for "God"? Kindly answer.

I said I won't reveal everything to you sir.
Go and research.
Hebrew language is not an isolated language. El, Eloha (singular), Elohim (plural), Yahweh (specific) were all Canaanites semitic language in who Hebrew belongs and adapted from. Or who created the Hebrew language? Can you answer that? Go and research. Were the Hebrews the first to adopt the names El, Eloha, Elohim, Yahweh? Go and research.

LET ME GIVE YOU A HINT.
When Christianity came to Nigeria. The whites adopted "Olorun" for God in Yoruba, "Abasi" in the Iboms and "Chukwu" in the Igbos.
Did these names begin as Christian names? Weren't they incorporated? Doesn't the name have their own idolatrous link? But when a person says *Olorun", do you link it with Idolatry or with God in English language.

Go and look for my write up and read sir.

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tctrills:
Just because the theory of evolution has contradictions doesn't make my throw away my biology textbook does it?
Your ability to learn and grow from the many truths in the bible and to keep learning until you understand the contradictions is what makes you a faithful servant.

Sir. I am sorry to mention you.
Will you like to share your thoughts with me? What you believe and what you don't. Max claimed you are an atheist but I need to confirm that from you and not just take his words for it. The scriptures taught me that.

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Truthseeker10:
Oga come back here and answer. You claim to be wise.

Oga are you saying that the Hebrew word for "God" is "JHVH" or "YHVH" just like the Greek word for "God" is "Theos"?

It's an assignment, go and research on my works. SIR.
Just take note of this verse as you look for my write up. If you are lazy, you won't look for it and only read the verse and ask more questions. But if you look for it, you won't ask any questions and you will grab the gist.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9
[8]When the El assigned the nations,
    when he divided up the human race,
he established the boundaries of the peoples
    according to the number of the gods.
[9]“For the people of Israel belong to Yahweh;
    Jacob is his possession.

Let me not give you gist of the Canaanites write ups that predated the scriptures and how the name of their gods reflected across the old testament scriptures. GO RESEARCH SIR. I won't do everything for you. I have done enough for you. Don't be Lazy SIR.
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Truthseeker10:
Oga are you saying that the Hebrew word for "God" is "JHVH" or "YHVH"?

I am not answering you.
Go and read my write up with Max. Max cannot go back to that question. So, go and look for it and digest the write up on the concept of Jehovah (Yahweh).
Or you want to agree that Jehovah is the son of El whom El gave Israel to as his portion when El divided the nations amongst the gods?
So, let the matter of Jehovah rest.
Go and look for the white up and digest it.
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MaxInDHouse
Jesus is with me always. Whether I pray or not. In whatever I do, he is with me because he lives in me through his holy spirit. He abides with ME FOREVER.
John 14:16-17
[16]And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.
[17]He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.

So, the Holy Spirit is with me and in me even as I speak to you know. He is my inspiration.

2 Corinthians 1:22
[22]and he has identified us as his own by placing the Holy Spirit in our hearts as the first installment that guarantees everything he has promised us.

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MaxInDHouse:
You love deceiving yourself walahi talahi!

Let's go through the context of what Jesus said in that verse:

“Truly I say to you, whatever things you may bind on earth will be things already bound in heaven, and whatever things you may loosen on earth will be things already loosened in heaven. Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:18-20

Here Jesus is talking about how his Apostles should establish a doctrine so that such a doctrine will be binding on all their followers globally. Act 15:28-29
So if anything happens and they want to establish a doctrine they must come together and pray in Jesus name that is what will bring Jesus into their midst to guide them by God's Holy Spirit into all the truth in God's word {John 14:26-27} for peace to reign among all believers throughout the earth! 1Corinthians 14:33
So don't think Jesus is with you in your apartment where you pray with your nuclear family as Christians o, you must join a global team that is preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door in your neighbourhood! Matthew 10:11:13

You can never ever achieve that without a global family of peace loving worshipers!

Max.
The verses you quoted didn't say anything global. So, your interpretation is important and deviated away from the passage. Let us stick to the passage. Sola Scriptora. Let me interpret them one after the other for you, step by step.
Matthew 18:18-20
[18]“I tell you the truth, whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.
[19]“I also tell you this: If two of you agree here on earth concerning anything you ask, my Father in heaven will do it for you.
[20]For where two or three gather together as my followers, I am there among them.”

EXPLANATION.
Verse 18
This verse was premised on the verses 15-17 which gives the church the ability to excommunicate and also after repentance pardon and incorporate a believer who has refused to abide with a peaceful resolution with his fellow believer. Verse 18 is telling us that if such a person is excommunicated by the church, the excommunication stand and if they chose to pardon such person, the decision made also stand. It has nothing to do with prayer, but fellowship.
Verse 19 was also premised on verse 16 (two or three witness). Verse 19 is saying whatever decision they make is what my father desires and will grant as regards forgiveness.
Verse 20 still premised on that same forgiveness shows that the presence of the Lord is in a meeting convened in his name, so, whatever decision they make was not in his absence. This is also confirm by Paul on the issue of excommunication in
1 Corinthians 5:1-4
[1]I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother.
[2]You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.
[3]Even though I am not with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit. And as though I were there, I have already passed judgment on this man
[4]in the name of the Lord Jesus. You must call a meeting of the church. I will be present with you in spirit, and so will the power of our Lord Jesus.

So, the verse is on forgiveness in brethren's meeting and how erring brethren should be treated and if they repent how they should be incorporated and that decision Christ has delegated to the leadership of the assembly.

YOU CAN EVEN CONFIRM THAT WITH THE NEXT PARABLE OF JESUS ON THE UNFORGIVING DEBTOR THAT FOLLOWS.

That is the perfect interpretation of the passage and that is how you interpret scriptures.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy nobody is asking after your supporters what i'm telling you is that tctrils doesn't believe in God or Christ all he does here is join any ongoing discussion but after noticing that he has been left behind in his preconceived opinion he starts denying all that he has said!

Max.
I don't care. He is still alive and he has hope. He may cross over to the Lords side and the Lord will accept him. I am not giving up on anyone still alive. That's why I don't judge, he is not dead yet, so he has hope.
John 6:37
[37]However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.

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MaxInDHouse:
The followers of Jesus do assemble with their fellow worshipers because they have an assigned duty to carry out in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 10:6-13,; 28:19-20} their meeting together is to help them continue without let up in carrying out this commission {Hebrews 10:24-25} so if you are thinking Jesus has any business with you whereas you failed to associate with those unitedly doing the work he assigned then you are deceiving yourself big time!

Max.
Matthew 18:20
[20]For where two or three gather together in my name, I am there among them.”

The passage doesn't say 200 or 50 or anything. It only said wherever (in the house, in school, at work place, in the village square) wherever two or three (fellowship begins with two, not fifty) are gathered in his (Jesus) name as believers. He will be there (anywhere).

He is the one that knows his sheep and his sheep know him John 10. I know him and hear his voice. That enough for me. You may deny me, Jesus never deny me. He has the final say, not you and obviously not the governing council.

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MaxInDHouse:
This shows you have not been following the discussion conscientiously because tctrils doesn't believe in anything he just wants to argue whenever he notices people discussing about faith in God.

For your information he has commented that Jehovah is the same person called Jesus but when he noticed that everyone has left him behind in whatever claim he made he will deny his submission before you all!

So I care about personality? No. That was why I didn't mention his any but decided to use ANYBODY instead. I am not looking for supporters, will they give me anything? I speak the truth (my version and views and not Lord it on anyone) from my clean conscience and pure (unbiased) knowledge of scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
Even God never spoke of His Organized worshipers as perfect people {Psalms 103:12-14} He acknowledge that imperfect humans will surely have flaws in whatever they lay their hands to do {Jeremiah 10:23} but no matter what you think if you are not associating with His worshipers you have no business with Him.
So what is the name of that gathering where you associate with fellow believers? Hebrews 10:23

I know you don't worship anywhere that is evident in all your posts therefore you have been deceiving yourself even Jesus the perfect son of God never miss the gathering of God's people because he knows how important it is to assemble with true worship! Psalms 133:1, 3b compare to Hebrews 10:24-25

Sir. The foundation of God's worshippers is not Charles Russell but Jesus. You can't lay another foundation other than the one already laid which Is Jesus. I am a true follower of Jesus and I abide by all his teachings (ALL). So, I don't know to be a member of a group established in the 19th century when Jesus has established his own church since the first century. Almost two thousand years apart.
1 Corinthians 3:11-14
[11]For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Chris[/b]t.
[12]Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials—gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw.
[[b]13]But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value.
[14]If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward.

So, Max. Let us both keep building on the foundation which is Jesus. On the final day, God will reveal who has built with precious stones and who has built with straws.
Keep building on your group sir. Let me keep building mine in my group. At least wait till that day now whether my work will burn or not. Just take a chill pill sir.

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cornelboy:
1 cor 15 NLV
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

These scriptures describe a future event and explicitly show that God the father is different from Jesus Christ, the Son.

I don't need you to agree

He is not arguing with you that the Father is not different from Jesus. The name Jehovah is the same as the 'theos' (God) in Greek and Jesus is god thereby he is Jehovah. Jehovah is not the specific name of the Father, the Father has no name that his know to man at the moment. All those names in the old testament were only titles and names given to god based on the experiences with him. He Father clearly states that 'He is who he is" ( I am who I am). And only Jesus knows the Fathers name and will reveal it at the last day to his special people.
Revelation 3:12
[12]All who are victorious will become pillars in the Temple of my God, and they will never have to leave it. And I will write on them the name of my God, and they will be citizens in the city of my God—the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from my God. And I will also write on them my new name.

So, when anyone tells you Jesus is Jehovah, he is telling you Jesus is god and not Jesus is the Father and yes the Father is greater than his son (Jesus).
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MaxInDHouse:
It is necessary because if you fail to see that the first century disciples of Christ had flaws you will continue deceiving yourself anticipating a group with no flaws that's what has kept you idle all these while without joining any group of worshipers to worship your god!

I agree with you. Maybe you haven't come out clean before, because you have been speaking and defending as though you and you group had no flaws at all.
Now we can agree.
Me, Idle? Max. I am not, I do my father's biding and will at all times. And if I am besseted by sin, my father through Jesus forgives me and leads my back into his will. That is how much he loves me and that is how much I trust in his mercy.
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cornelboy:
You're equal with God keh

I am a child of God, my father has adopted me. I have his seed, his nature and his spirit. He has plans for me to be with him forever. I am equal with God.
John 10:34-36
[34]Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’
[35]And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’
[36]why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.

That is Jesus speak. I have the nature of my father (god). I am god.
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