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Truthseeker10:
Oga I am not arguing with you.
Does the Bible say we should worship everyone including Jesus and his father? Yes or no sir?

By everyone you would mean? Be specific sir. Because Satan is also part of everyone. So, it's a no. But, everyone like my Father and Mother, my older siblings and adults. Yes, I worship them on a daily basis. Take note that I stick to the Greek word "proskuneo" which means either "to knew before", "to pay obeisance" or "to worship."

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
So you don't believe that God is three persons(The father, the son, the holy spirit)?

I told you to go read my write up on Trinity and what it really meant. The problem is that you don't wanna dig it out and that is why Max knows my standpoint and he respect me but you don't.
I will be a fool and sentimental to called the holy spirit God when there is no Bible reference to that regard. And I will be a bigger fool to say the son is not god when there are many Bible verses to that regard and I will be the biggest fool to say the Father is not god when there are many Bible verses to that regard.

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Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so the bible teaches that everyone including Jesus and his father should be worshipped?

MaxInDHouse come and see oo.

If you don't understand Greek and Hebrew you can't understand what I wrote there. Don't you obey (obeisance) your parents? The Greek words is the same as worship. So, don't be surprised when I say you worship your parents, it is still the same words "worship."

Or
Do you think when Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 "Do not call anyone on earth your Father." Do, you think it is a sin to call you Dad, Father? Same thing with worship you parents, do you think and meant serve them like you would God?

Lol.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the diagram below.

No, I don't.
From scriptures, the Father was called god. I have quoted relevant scriptures on that in previous discussions.
From scriptures, the son was called god. I have also quoted relevant scriptures on that in previous discussions.

But, I have never read in the scriptures where the Holy spirit was called god. So, it is not in my place to add or remove form scriptures.

So, I rather stick to calling the holy spirit the spirit of god sent in Christ name as seal upon believers. I do not add or subtract from scriptures. No Sentiments.

Does that answer you question.

Truthseeker10:
Below is Matthew 18:26. Why does the New King James Version Not use Worship?

King James Bible
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

New King James Version
The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’

Lol.
What is my business with KJV. If you know me, you know I am not Version biased. I look into the original and the original used "worship" and not "fell down."

Humans worship humans, children worship the parents etc.
You are the one that have issue with "worship". I do not have any issues with the word and it is generally used across the scriptures both for men, spirits, angels, the son and the father. So, what concerns me with the biasness of KJV?

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is God. Please, don't use small letter g for Jesus.

He is not inferior to his Father. He is only subject to Him.

The fact that you have a boss in the office doesn't make you inferior to your boss.

Smile
Sir, there is not different between small g and big g because the Greek and Hebrew do not have Capital letters, so whenever you see small or big g, it is all and the same.

Sir, Jesus is God or god anyone is the same "Elohim" or "theos".
The subjectivity of the son to the Father shows that he is Inferior to the Father but superior to all other beings.
The fact that I say the Jesus is inferior to His father does not diminish him at all, it only exalts the Father to be above all including his son.
Let me put it like this.
The word inferior means "less" or "subject" like you put it. So, whether you use Subject or less or inferior, it is one and the same sir, not reduces nor increases the status of the Father's only begotten son.
Jesus himself said it "My Father is greater than I am." Which means in the reverse "I am lesser than my Father."

So sir, using inferior does not reduce Jesus, it only shows that Jesus is supreme over all things except his Father who is supreme over all things including his son. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

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MaxInDHouse:
Context is the answer because people did Obeisance to Moses, Saul, David so because a language doesn't have another way to express two different things shouldn't blind a real scholar from differentiating such words.

Smile.
It's you trying to prove that Obeisance is different from Worship now, as though the scriptures was originally written in English.
And you know you can't corner me.
Max, I have always advised you to study the scriptures in its originality so that you will avoid being boxes.
Now you are talking about context.
You have never answered any of my questions because you know that I bring scriptures from their original Greek and Hebrew and it's difficult to dispel.
Three questions I have asked you and you have been unable to answer and now you added one to it.

1. What is Jehovah in Greek? Or does it not exist in Greek?
2. What is the Biblical proof that Jesus sits on a different throne from his Father as against his claim in Revelation 3:21.
3. Which apostle worked for government and was under the pay of the evil government they opposed was not from God (Herod, Caesars or Pharisees)? And why should Jehovah's Witnesses work for Government they claim was not God ordained?
4. Since the Greek word for worship and obeisance are the same, how is it right to say one cannot be used in exchange for another in the English form since the Greek is the same and there is not distinction in the usage?

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MaxInDHouse:
Obeisance means do whatever this one commands.
Worship is rendering sacred service to this one.
Only God deserves our sacred service but in the Bible Moses was given Obeisance, David was given Obeisance, Elijah was given Obeisance by people who had the fear of God none of them was worshiped yet people refer to them as lord!

Max.
Don't be clever by half sir.
Let my quote from your Bible. I have almost all versions of scriptures on my phone. So, let me quote yours and you will answer my question on Obeisance and Worship as used in your own version.
1. Hebrewz 1:6
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do [/b]obeisance[b] to him.”

2. Revelation 5:14
The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and [/b]worshipped.[b]

Max, this is your JW version.
My Question.
Can you tell me the Greek word(s) used for both Obeisance and Worship?

I put it to you that both are the same Greek word [/b]proskuneo[b] and that they are not different words but for ulterior motive your translators used two different words.

Note: I have the original Greek and Hebrew Bible.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do OBEISANCE to him.”

The word is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP!

What is the difference between Obeisance and Worship? I believe you know the meaning of synonyms.

Max
You have not answered my question:
What is the Greek word for Jehovah or did the word cease to exist in Jesus and the Apostles' days?

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Truthseeker10:
So the Angels worship a God who is not the Almighty God?

You know I don't like argument.
The Father has handed everything over to his son until the end of age when the son will in turn hand everything over to the Father and the Father will be supreme over all. For now until that time, the son is supreme over all in heaven and on earth because the father has raised his son to that status.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

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Truthseeker10:
So the Angels Worship a God who is not the Almighty?

Can your explain Hebrews 1:6 otherwise?
Hebrews 1:6
[6]And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,
[/b]“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[b]

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth claims that God Almighty calls Jesus God but Jesus is not the Almighty God in Hebrews 1:8. He claims that The angels worship Jesus who is not the Almighty God. Is he correct?

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StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ
Gabrielshow24

Your contribution to his claims are welcome.

His point is the position of the scriptures sir.
If a goat calls itself the son of a man, it means that goat is claiming to be a man.
Jesus said he is the son of God thereby making himself equal with God (John 5:18)
John 5:18
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, [/b]thereby making himself equal with God.[b]

Therefore Jesus is god in his nature and essence lower and inferior only to the Father who alone is the One and True God of all.

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StillDtruth:
Did I not already say that where in the bible do you see a person judged for failing to believe?

Okay.
Good.
Thanks sir.

StillDtruth:
And I have a answered, the same way all men are Judged which is, your father accuses you of sleeping with his 3rd wife; guilty or not guilty?

Or Tochi accuses you of cheating him because he trusted you as his brother by selling him a swampy land when you knew that he was trying to buy a dry land to do his carpentry business. And when he asked for refund, you refused, guilty or not guilty?

Romans 2:14 Which nation does not have and know these Laws and that they should not be done?

That is the import of my answer.

Good sir.
So, you agree that their are some people who will be judged by their WORKS and not by whether they believe in Jesus or not.

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StillDtruth:
This is where I get to remind you of Samuel's error. Remember he saw one of David's brothers as good and as acceptable but God answered him "No".

So, this is where you I remind you again that God Said "His thoughts are not your thoughts and His Ways, not your Ways"

Thus, whom you call honourable are often guilty of secret sins eg adultery, sleeping with father's wife, or brothers wife, murder etc

Then, lastly, where in the bible do you see anyone convicted because "they did not believe"? Was it Noah's world? Or Pharaoh over Abram's wife or Sodom and Gomorrah? Etc

Did you not read that man is condemned because he has done evil?

You have not answered my question directly. Before Jesus came, Africa has existed and they were not Jews. When Jesus came, Africa has existed before Jesus gospel was brought.
My question is: How will the Just God judge this people who lived by their conscience during these periods. Use your answer to explain Romans 2:14-16. Make sure you read the verse before you respond.

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jaephoenix:
I don't know. That question is not related to my own question

It does sir.
You asked the evidence of God.
I believe that God created a male hen and a female hen and they mate and the female produced eggs and thus the life circle of the hen continues till this day.
Atheista disagree with this creation story. So I ask them and none of them could answer.

Which one existed first?
The HEN or The EGG

StillDtruth:
Which started only after Kim's father took power in the 70s.. but before that they had Christianity.

StillDtruth
I have taken a bit of time to read some of your perspectives on this platform especially on this fragile topic. Let me engage you a bit so I can have some clarity and also know your complete line of thoughts.
OUR ANCESTORS
We all know and history has proven it that Christianity came to Nigeria in the 17th century before it began to spread. So, let's say, after 1600 years when the good news of Christ was preached, Jesus was first heard and preached in Nigeria 1600 later.
Some of our fathers (not all) must have lived honorable lives during those years and many must have lived dishonorable lives during those years too. Those who lived honorable lives may not have written laws but maybe oral traditions, home training and conscience especially must have played roles in how they lived.
Some may have stood against murder, human sacrifices, and other social vices during their time. At least, we all know of how virginity amongst women was strictly ensured during those years which show that they must have some grand normal and social laws that some must have upheld as standard in those days.
These our honorable fathers just like Job (who was not even an Israelite but a Gentile during his days) didn't even have the opportunity to even hear of Christ not to talk about accepting whom they had not even heard about.
Do you think it will be Just for a Just God like our heavenly Father to send these honorable men to eternal damnation on the basis of "They Didn't Believe In Jesus."?
While You provide your answer. Please, consider the book of Romans 2:14-16.

Thank you.

ezekieloe:
By Bayo Wahab of Vanguard News

Senator Ireti Kingibe, representing the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), has countered Senator Natasha Akpoti-Uduaghan’s claim about the seating reassignment in the Senate.

Senator Natasha recently sparked a controversy in the Red Chamber when the Senate President, Godswill Akpabio, reallocated her seat.
Her reaction to the seating arrangement sparked drama in the Senate during plenary as the lawmaker representing Kogi Central refused to move to the new seat assigned to her.

Natasha later raised her hand to speak but was denied recognition because she was not speaking from the seat assigned to her.
Angered by this, she raised her voice in protest, accusing Akpabio of denying her of her privilege.
Subsequently, the Senate unanimously voted to refer her to the Committee on Ethics, Privileges, and Public Petitions for disciplinary review.
However, while appearing on Arise TV on Friday, February 28, 2025, Senator Natasha claimed that the seating arrangement was part of a ploy to frustrate legislative duties.

She also accused Senator Akpabio of sexual harassment, alleging that the Senate President has, on two occasions, demanded an intimate relationship from her.

Reacting to Natasha’s claim about the seating arrangement, Kingibe, while appearing on Arise TV on Friday, carpeted the Kogi Senate, saying she doesn’t follow the Senate rules.

She said the three other female senators have been silent about the seating arrangement row because they don’t want to say anything negative about Natasha.

“Silence is golden, especially when one of us is not following the rules, and as women, we did not want to come out publicly to say anything negative about her, and we were hoping all of this will blow over, as a lot of things do,” the Labour Party Senator said.
She added, “The Senate is not a place where we are supposed to fight over trivialities like seating arrangements.”
According to Kingibe, Natasha was not the only lawmaker whose seat was moved. She disclosed that other lawmakers were affected by the seating reassignment.

“This is about the rules of the Senate. So if I can point out that other women have been moved several times on that day, I wasn’t there, but I gathered that several men were also moved,” she said.

The chairperson of the Senate Committee on Women Affairs admitted that the Senate is not gender-friendly, but she said the situation has improved.

She said, “The truth of the matter is, yes, the Senate is not gender friendly, but it has been improving much better than when we first entered the Senate, I must say. And the truth of the matter is, when we make a fuss and draw the attention of the Senate president, he corrects it. Truly, the Senate can do better than he’s doing, but there’s hardly anything that’s been done to us that’s not done to other men.”
Kingibe appealed to women, saying, “I want women to know we have to follow the rules of the institution we choose to enter, and that is mostly the point of this visit here.”

Silence is golden indeed.
Natasha vomited more than she should on Arisetv, whether true or false. I think she said more than she should for decorum and for her whole image.
Just my own view. I may be wrong. I admit.
And she should be ready for litigations from the corner of the S.P. because she has indicted the S.P. and he/she who alleges must prove.
I don't see this matter ending on the floor of the Senate but in court and however it turns out, both her image and that of the S.P will be soiled. None is leaving the mud clean as they entered.

My VIEW.

cornelboy:
Jehovah is not same as Theos

Jehovah is the proper name for my God.

Simple question.
That proper name of God that you claim "Yahweh"(Jehovah) is Hebrew.
WHAT IS JEHOVAH CALLED IN GREEK? SIMPLE

Abi the name was abolished alongside the Hebrew language?
ABI YOU DON'T KNOW NI?
CALL FOR HELP NOW.

THANKS.

cornelboy:
The Hebrew equivalent for "theos" should be El/Elohim.

I won't do your research for you.

You just box yourself sir.
If the Hebrew word for theos is El or Elohim (Which I agree)


Then the question you left unanswered is WHAT IS YAHWEH (JEHOVAH) IN GREEK? SIMPLE.

Abi the Jews abandoned Yahweh (Jehovah) when they started speaking adopted Greek Aramaic?
What is YAHWEH IN GREEK? OOOO

cornelboy:
Jehovah is same as theos keh

Baba go do your research stop spewing wrong info here.

Me, research?
You don't know me.

Okay.
If Yahweh (Jehovah) is Hebrew, What is the Greek equivalent?

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you are deceiving yourself!

My respect sir.
Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm happy to expose your iniquity today that you are a worker of lawlessness as you don't want to join God's modern day worshipers in doing God's will despite seeing all their good work! Matthew 7:16-18

So you can now disappear never engage me in any discussion until you explain how possible it is for you to work with ancient prophets of God despite knowing their flaws yet you can't work with their modern day counterpart for what you term as flaws?

Max
Expose? That is for God to do at his coming and it will be revealed to the world the intention of every humans hearts.

I PAY MY RESPECT.

I BOW OUT.

THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
I have put immaculate in his rightful place!
He respected Jehovah's Witnesses, our dedication and our works of faith but he keeps deceiving himself about the flaws of those taking the lead among God's modern day worshipers.
But the hypocrite said he believe that all inspired Bible writers are imperfect so they are fallible except Jesus Christ who is a perfect son of God and he said he would have joined those working with them yet in his own time he can see a peaceful global organization of worshipers as promised in the Bible {Isaiah 2:2-4} but because of what faithless people are saying about them he will not join them in doing God's will even though he highly respected them.

Max.
What do you gain by manipulating my words and put it in the way I didn't. Why?

If that makes you feel good and happy. I won't deny you that sir.

ENJOY
THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's evident that you are deceiving yourself!

If you will accept those people as God's representatives and join them in doing what other dedicated servants of God are doing with them then what stops you from accepting the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses as modern day representatives of the same God?

Max
Lol.
I also believe that they are imperfect humans too.
Did God tell Peter to not eat at the same table when the friends of James walked in?
Was his behavior God influenced or human influenced?
Galatians 2:12
[12]When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision.

ANSWER OOO

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure that after seeing the flaws of inspired prophets like Moses, Isaiah and the first century disciples of Christ knowing fully well they are imperfect you will be submissive to what they are doing with others who are supporting them in doing God's will?

YES or NO!

Yes, I would.
Peter even showed his flaw twice in scriptures. (1) When he denied Christ (2) When he was led astray by the friends of James and Paul rebuked him.

But I still believe in the letter of Peter, because it was his own message to the believers at the time.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't need all these epistle all i need from you is a YES or NO answer.

I you lived as a contemporary of God's inspired writers would you have joined them in doing what they were inspired to write down after discovering their flaws?

YES or NO!

Yes. I would.
Galatians 4:13-14
[13]Surely you remember that I was sick when I first brought you the Good News.
[14]But even though my condition tempted you to reject me, you did not despise me or turn me away. No, you took me in and cared for me as though I were an angel from God or even Christ Jesus himself.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Even immaculate self no fit talk again!

I didn't intend to engage him at all. I never did that..
You pointed my attention by claiming he is an atheist. As a believer who want to be Just like the scriptures encouraged me to, it behoves on me to confirm from him before making my judgement of his person. I have done that and I don't need to engage him unless he himself want me to clarify something he wants clarity on


Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Please if you lived as a contemporary of God's inspired writers would you have joined them in doing what they were inspired to write down after discovering their flaws?

No one can come to the Son unless the Father bring him. I tell people, whatever you are looking for in the scriptures you will see it. If you are looking for God, you will see him, if it is the devil you will see him there. If you are looking for errors, e plenty, you will see it there.
At least Job served God without any scriptures to read only oral traditions and conscience.

Back to you question. I will believe in God irrespective of human flaws. We have agreed earlier that humans including the apostles have their human flaws. We started with that today.

SO, THE WORD OF FOD IS INSPIRED BY A PERFECT GOD AND CONVEYED IN SPEECH AND WRITING THROUGH IMPERFECT HUMANS USING IMPERFECT LANGUAGES.


THANKS.

Truthseeker10:
Who is Jehovah? You claimed that Jehovah is not the specific name of the Father and you also claimed that Yahweh is specific. Explain.

Max understands all these you are asking. If you can't research my work. Go ask him.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe in the Bible as God's word?

I believe in God who is in himself perfection and I believe the Bible as the word of God inspired by a perfect God to some imperfect humans with imperfect languages across the ages.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm highly disappointed in immaculate, in fact i now realized that i've wasted my time with someone who is so naive like that!

Max.
I am sorry to disappoint you sir. It is not intentional, it is just my way of confirming this from the horse's mouth.

Thanks.