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Bamidelefundz:
Boss, I'm only arguing against Christian God as the creator of the universe. like I said earlier, the more knowledgable you are, the more you can convince people to do things in your own way e.g Jesus Christ and Muhammad S.A.W.Knowledge is the basis of the idea of God. There is no God anywhere superior to us human beings, but their are lot of other beings different from human beings existing in this universe. which I believe, they too have there own chance to civilization just like us humans.

stephenmorris:
you sound like a woman loll

Virginsince1997:
think I'd become a preacher and start reading the Bible to you guys, start taking your money.. Seems lucrative

Princefrankie1:
Pls expansiate on the bolded

malvisguy212:
so let us here your version. How did life begin ? What cause our existence ?

malvisguy212:
it still baffles me that you believe This universe with a remarkable design happen by chance, the strange thing is that you believe Life came from none life, are you sure you are not being manipulated by satan ?

who is satan

juniior:
Der r demonic tins dat I've seen and heard of, (illuminati) so if der r demons, ders most certainly a supreme God n heaven. Pls b wise, don't let atheists fool u. U wouldn't loose anytin from living a righteous life

malvisguy212:
open thread about heaven and hell and see how atheists are terrified, they just want to read comment like " heaven does not exist" am sorry, your opinion does not count, believe it or not, Heaven and hell exist and you MUST spend eternity in either one.

kennygee:
With all the comments above me, all I can say is "Its well".

If you don't believe in Heaven, why bother to open the thread in the first place tho?

Reyginus:
Nice. Would you then say that life is purposeless?

SidL:
Hello LoJ,

I just realised by your question that I did not word the topic well. Done.
It's not really what I want to know of it so much as what I want to check to see of people's view points and experiences on the subject matter and so on. I am flattered that you think me a scientists. I doubt you'd say that if I stated the fact that my highest formal education is secondary school, and even at that I just barely got away with a pass on the science subjects.
...but thank you.

I'm glad to see that someone has had or does have the experiences and acknowledges it for what it is. I am still very curious as to the general perception of the 'phenomenon' in spite of today's...well, more enlightened society called Nigeria. I am looking into this natural occurrence or 'phenomenon' as a new method of Spiritual and Scientific inquiry. I strongly believe that once a fool-proof technique for out-of-body-experiences is perfected, readily replicable and of course, effortlessly inducible, humankind will experience growth and evolution in leaps and bounds beyond what is currently imagined. Why? Because "there are more things in 'heaven and earth', Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

There are two fundamental problems with humankind right now, which hinder its growth in and into grace and dignity. They are religion and methods of inquiry, science. Indeed these two are like brackets that encompass all things else. I do not need to take too much time to outline the inherent, self-evident problems that religion is causing. The Source of Creation, that which we casually refer to as 'God' is instead fashioned by almost all theologies/religions into the image and likeness of spiritually evolving Man itself rather than vice-versa, while they convince themselves otherwise. This... objective He-God is extremely problematic, emotionally fickle and very, very violent. How else do religions justify killing? How else do most fear-based religions weild such power and control over billions? How else is it possible that the human species has experienced no real spiritual evolution in millenia, despite attempts by many illuminates like Lao Tzu, Bhudda, Krishna, "Jesus", Muhammad, etc? Their enlightened teachings having been twisted and contorted such that most are merely shadows of themselves today.

Science on the hand has lost its original thrust as a method of inquiry. It is now wholly materialistic, a way of life, an end rather than a means to an end. Very few, if not all of its theories and laws have any relation whatsoever to truth of existence, and when such "laws" come close to truth, they are half-baked as to be equally false. The general attitude is "if my instruments cannot detect it, nor my eyes see it, then it's not real." Yet they spout one outrageous theory after another so much so that I am left wondering if science should not just be simply labelled a religion and its theories, theology. With the very same eyes which can clearly "see" that the railroad tracks meet on the horizon, they presume that empirical data is the "bread of life." In the example of the railroad track, they are enabled to know the truth of their never meeting on the horizon because they can walk the track, yet they will not consider what other illusions of nature they have fallen prey to simply because they cannot walk such 'tracks'.

Ideally, both parties should be a couple, sharing their completeness with each other, always proving the other, not disproving each other. The question now becomes, what is the way forward? It is my humble opinion, that the way forward is any means which enables each individual to adopt a perspective that allows questions to be irrefutably answered, for self. The means is non other than the ability to willfully separate from the body while it still lives, and become wholly mind. Out-of-body-experience.

Is it only a hand full of people who realise the benefit this will bring humankind? I wonder. Look at some benefits to both parties and by extension, to humankind:

Religions: No longer will a mass of individuals be required to..."take the preachers words and his holy books" as sacrosanct. Religions weild such ungodly power over the minds of people through their fear-teachings of a vengeful, jealous, volatile God who will cast them to hell to burn for all eternity. People are thus duped to conform to outrageous "truths." Hell will be self-proved through personal direct investigation which OOBEs afford, as a figment of our collective imagination, quite literally. The "astral frequencies of perception" are so fast that each our thoughts manifest instantly, and in effect, when people die and go to the "spirit land," they are immediately greeted by their belief system. The one who thinks it is a sinner winds up in a hell of its own imagining and stays there till they quite simply, change their thoughts on the matter and trust me, that happens very quickly, it is quite funny actually. This accounts for why people come back from an NDE with different, very subjective accounts of the "after life." Angels or Demons, 'pick ya poison'. lol!

In the 'mind realm' or astral realm there are equally all sorts of "heavens". Christian (Catholic, penticostal, methodists etc) heavens, Muslim heavens, Jewish heavens, this heaven and that heaven. All stay there, till they 'snap out of their consensus madness'. Anyone who has ever woken up inside their dreams and said "hey.......this is ain't real, cats don't have wings" is personally familiar with the effect of the scene just melting away, as proof of WHO exactly is doing the creating--self!
Through personal experience, we will be enabled to kiss the fear of hell goodbye and religion will thus die a natural death, for in its present form it does great, great disservice to us all. If you doubt me, look around you with sincere eyes. People are generally afraid of thinking for themselves and prefer someone else do so for them. Now they get to truly THINK.

Science: The 'empirical attitude' has its limitations. It's like coming to a party half way through and counting the drinks which remain and then call it fact. Scientists chase shadows. They will learn eventually, that by the time you can quantify a thing, the "magic" has already occurred. It is for this reason that most of its theories which are close to truth are only half way there. However, half truth is still no truth. If one conisders that matter is spirit coalesced, by the time you see matter, then the party is half way through. Matter is an effect and spirit is cause, and I do not mean that in a 'woo-woo' way. The scientist will be enabled to peer into the mysteries of creation, the WHY of things. She will see, no, she will KNOW exactly how God creates her universe and follow along attentively in the processes of the birth of matter from spirit and its journey back to spirit for repetition. Humankind will attain greater progress in technical advances, and have the capacity to utilise them responsibly. At this point we have iust toys really, and look how we use them, to maim and kill, rather than to grow together in grace, dignity and the spirit of discovery.

We will eventually discover that science and religion (philosophy) are two sides of the same coin and that the coin itself is 'God'. That God is both the greatest scientist and philosopher. If every individual can experience this for themselves as KNOWING rather than by the "preaching" or "memorise and regurgitate" model of learning we use today, both of which are intellectual rather than experiential in nature, would there be wars? Hunger amidst bounty? Suffering? Struggle?
These ills are our collective-consensus creations caused by lack of TRUTH on this world, not a guy called 'Devil'. That nonsense will no longer fly as people learn to take full responsibility for their thoughts, much less actions which manifest those thoughts, because God uses mind to create through thinking and since we and God IS one, we are ultimately the creators of our difficulties. This is fact to be experienced and known, not intellectualised, if I may.

The time is right for this mass discovery, for we are dragging our world to our hells in a hand-basket.

Reyginus:
Yeah. We are on same page. That's looking at it from the physicists point of view. I completely agree the conclusion. What do you think about this biological viewpoint?

If we evolved from something as claimed and find it rational to draw from our past can it ever be irrational to see where we are heading? Isn't our notion of cessation of life in human bodies as finality of life suggest finality of evolution and are we being rational suggesting such?

pcguru1:
OP go to reddit and join this sub reddit DeadBedroom they have good feedbacks, this is a common thing, sadly I can't give you any advice because am not married which is one and two because am not married sleeping around is not foreign for me. Maybe you might wanna let her know sex is lacking or you guys might wanna plan a night where you guys have sex. Or find something to occupy your mind, alot of marriage get sexless pretty quick.

Acidosis:
I don't have to read the posts here, but why don't you all spend your time preaching against illiteracy?

Illiteracy rate in Nigeria is high; we have more illiterate than religious folks. Many people don't go to Churches by the way. However, we have more agberos on the streets of Lagos who cannot compose the simplest English statement.

To persons (e.g. me) who had the opportunity to gain education, sorry, a million atheists cannot convince me that there is no supreme being somewhere. Don't waste your time. We have gained enough education to know what's best for us.

Channel this energy to Illiteracy rate, it is almost higher in Nigeria than any nation in the world. (#fact from Data).

KingEtienneSky:
Yeah when it comes to matters concerning existence as a whole and its meaning and purpose..... I support the PRIMACY of mind over matter.... That is, matter is secondary to mind. Mind is the basis of existence.... This means mind is not an emergent property of matter, but rather fundamental to the universe. It also follows that life "emerging" in the material universe WASN'T an accident... (That would be an extremely INSANE claim. Utterly ridiculous.) What's the probability of life appearing in the universe? 100%..... Because it would only be rational to think that was the whole point of it anyway. So then, if the mind is IMMATERIAL, why wouldn't it survive the physical death of the body?

Okay.... That's it for now. I'll give the details later.

Reyginus:
Using the energy concept, like you said, wouldn't the whole seemingly complex thing be simplified? This is what I mean.

Science claims that all is energy and all is energy, and life is part of all, which implies life's energy, wouldn't the question itself be impossible in the first place since when humans die nothing is lost except the personality?

In that case, can we say we are eluded of knowledge of afterlife?

Afterlife? After what life when life is not even lost but only leaves homosapien bodies? You should not respond to this last paragraph to save us some headache.

Reyginus:
[b]eludes our mental graps[/b]Eludes us all? What does that mean if you are talking about energy in the same sentence?

darknez:
Is it rational to believe in the after life? What is rational? What is the after life?

Unlike the after life, rationality can be pinned down to one or more specific definitions. For the sake of this discuss, I'd take 'rational' as stated to mean 'reason'. Thus the question would become: Is it reasonable to believe in the after life?

We should have at the back of our minds that the question is not about proving the existence of an after life or proving that there is a God that people necessarily go to after their lives in this world. Neither is it about describing how the after life is like, if it exists.

The question's primary focus, for me, is whether or not we can relate with the notion of an after life, i.e does it make sense to believe in it.

For me, I believe it makes sense to believe in the after life because not to believe in it negates some basic principles about life and existence. I take it to be common knowledge that energy cannot be destroyed but changes form.

An example of this can be seen in water, which can take the form of gas and ice when subjected to certain temperatures. When water dries up, it can be taken that the water at that point is no more but is this really true? The best we can say is that the water exists in some other form.

Taken that really bad example a step further, we can also relate it to humans. When we lose consciousness, brain function and ultimately declared dead, does that mean that we seize to exist?

Granted, I would agree if it is said that we stop existing as man, made up of 'flesh', water and blood but to say that our conscious self which is driven by energy floats to non-existence implies that energy can actually be destroyed which is not the case.

One really does not need to be Theist to believe in the existence of an after life. It's common sense...or so I believe.

KingEbukasBlog:
True . I even forgot that some atheists believe in afterlife .

cc: ifenes , immortal

Oya appear !

Strawman:
First I'd point out that you are wrong.

See the case of Pam Reynolds:


Pam Reynolds' case proves that our existence is beyond the physical body that we attribute it to.

engrchykae:
humans only do what is right when they something to be afraid,never appeal to a man's gratitude but to his selfish interest.
my point is humans would be worse than what is obtainable today without religion especially Christianity,Buddhism,Hinduism,
even though these religions preach peace and non-violence and also enjoys a cult following,yet we have crimes and wickedness going on,
u will not want to imagine what I will turn to if am sure there is no God,

ministeriallist:
If A dog is named Obama in the US, nobody would give a hoot. It's simply a sign of admiration of a personality.
Evidently, we don't value pets in this country.

I can see what tribalism has reduced us to in this country.
Most unfortunately, even some of our law enforcement Agents had to be corrected by their superiors b4 the innocent man was released.
One needs to be careful in this country because good intentions could easily be misconstrued by ignorant people.
Sorry man, that's your fellow Nigerians for you. They're more concerned about trivial matters that doesn't have effect on the price of fuel or garri.

Jacksonville:
smh.. People are lost deep in deceptive doctrines from the pit of hell.


Has any1 thought of where all these strange revelations have been , right from the evolution of man? Why now? . And all these doctrines are just here to tarnish the image of Jehova, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.. I say to you Otem, you are lost, and may God open your eyes sooner than later.


You have succeeded in deceiving the few gullible ones. The strong christians won't be deceived , for these are signs of the end time events. You won't get away with this for too long, you will see the hand of Jehova.




Do not be deceived, Why dnt Domino reverad(as claimed) reveal to the world and other people to know about his existence? Or eartum (if he even exist). Satan has always been a deceptor and you have fallen for his deceits...what a pity..

and how did you know that Jehova is the God almighty,.. You read that from the bible right? Why did you accepted your indoctrinated believe but discarded his. I laugh in japanese

HardMirror:
God was being visited, so where is the abode of god?
Earth?
Lol
You people are a confused set

Soul = Consciousness But In Religious Term It Means Another Thing But Were Does Consciousness Lies,??The Brain?? The Heart?? Or Mind But Mind = Consciousness

xtivin:
i fainted once and its like flying upward through a tunnel.

youngestland:
let me tell you after my failed suicide I was counselled ofcourse then I found god grin
I was so deep in him I spoke in tongues even till now I still know how to...... a lot of miraculous things have happened to me and I even used to give him all the glory in my success ladder until I found out all these work for everyone irrespective of your believe
let me tell u for a fact if there is anyone that should be grateful to god in life I should be the one so if I say he doesnt exist then I have seen things thats why

Elohim1:
Everything In The Universes Is Made Up Of?? Its Common Sense Bro

gatiano:
This is my opinion, and I get what you are saying.

Life is very real, yet we can also say we are a physical projection of our Firstself/Spiritual self/Higher self having a specific experience of our various choosen depending on what or who or where we need to fix.

Illusion on the other hand is 20 billions dollars missing from country's treasury and nobody can explain how. The idea that we must have a car and a big mansion is an illiusion, that a person once say in their lifetime "I want to become a doctor, engineer, pilot etc " is also an illusion. This Illusion has to be created by a smart/clever mind/person. England never left or gave us independence, they gave us an illusion that we were, when infact they trained some boys/girls who were soulless and made them comform, this is an illusion and where the 20 billion usd went to. All the bastard traffic holdup on Lagos highway had been planned and structured before 1960.

There is no empty space within an Atom, There are a lot of space between two atom yet that space can not be considered a space. It is Ether. The biggest component within an atom is its nucleus, and around this nucleus is where the electrons are orbiting depending on the element.

The solar system is indeed a big atom, just like the smallest atom without a end. There will never be a time in eternity when the smallest particle would be found.
The distance between two star system on a larger dimension is exactly the same as the distance between two atoms.

And yes, We are all indoctrinated at one time or the other.

How long does a sun take to complete a cycle or 1 day? the answer to this question would determine if one is living in illusion or reality.

ifenes:
Illusion is what we humans are living today. This life isn't real. What makes up an Atom is 99.9999% empty space. The air we breath in is exactly the same as what our body is made up of. If you look at the World from the view of an Atom,the world will be total empty space. This is a theory new to Science

The moment we are born we are conditioned my our tradition and culture to believe that physical reality is real. Well,it is not real. Therefore the future and past does not exist. Only Now exist which will only ever exist.

If we are broken down to one Atom we automatically have removed the planets,universes,all empty and junk space down to "one" experiencing itself as the "All"

This Atom is all of us experiencing itself in unlimited forms. This brought about the idea that God(stolen by religion) is unlimited. We are the God,one Atom having a multiple/unlimited realities. It is always conscious and will always be. This is why I said one can never lose Consciousness. It is impossible.

KingEbukaNaija:
This should prove something very obvious