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 Foreign Affairs › Re: About 27 Dead In Texas As Gunman Opens Fire On First Baptist Church by isalegan2: 1:33am On Nov 06, 2017 |
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| Foreign Affairs › Re: About 27 Dead In Texas As Gunman Opens Fire On First Baptist Church by isalegan2: 1:31am On Nov 06, 2017 |
sKeetz:If it's a work visa, sure. But trying to work on a tourist visa is not so easy unless you already know people that will assist. Also, you may end up spending all your earnings on living expenses, leaving you with zero savings come 2019. Best wishes in all you do, bro. |
| Culture › Re: Watch White Choir Sing Yoruba Carol. by isalegan2: 12:40pm On Nov 05, 2017 |
isalegan2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF1dnAFjT6s 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Queen Ajoke Badirat Adeyemi Celebrates Her 28th Birthday With Beautiful Photos by isalegan2: 9:35pm On Nov 04, 2017 |
KingSango:You make a good point and a great post. More power to you trying to acculturate native Africans to their own culture that they willfully and joyfully disparage. Many well-meaning enlightened posters ultimately abandon the worst of these Nairalanders to their ignorance. Best wishes in your attempt. Some will learn something. I certainly have learned a lot from dozens of learned posters, and in turn shared information, on this site over the years. 1 Like |
| Nairaland General › Re: O Ye My People! by isalegan2: 9:11pm On Nov 04, 2017 |
OLUGBO OF UGBO TELLS THE STORY OF ILAJE/UGBO, MOREMI, ILE-IFE, ODUDUWA AND THE YORUBA PEOPLE Why Ugbo people don’t marry ladies fair in complexion –Oba Olugbo of Ugbo Published September 17, 2016 Ademola Olonilua Punch Nigeria Newspapers https://punchng.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/17014246/akinruntan-of-ugbo.jpg Oba Obateru Akinruntan is the monarch of Ugbo kingdom, Ondo State. He tells Ademola Olonilua in this interview how he emerged the king and the place of his kingdom in Yoruba history Were you approached to become a monarch or was it a decision you took on your own? We have one ruling house and four segments in all. To cut the long story short, the stool was monopolised by one of them for a long time without any plan to relinquish the post for others. So the other segments went to court and they won. After the judgement, I was invited to become the Oba. When they invited me, who am I to say no? I was invited. What has kingship status changed about your life? Before I became king, whenever I travelled and I saw roasted plantain and groundnuts, I normally stopped to buy them but I cannot do that now. When I was just a business man, I would stop to buy the roasted plantain and I could even sit down with the seller and eat it there but now, I cannot do it, I miss that a lot. How did you feel when Forbes Magazine ranked you as the richest monarch in Nigeria and the second richest monarch in Africa? The people that came out with that list know what they saw before they came out with the ranking, I don’t know what they saw. I don’t know the people that rated me; neither do I know how they came about the rating. Mine is to look at my purse to know whether I am being flattered or not. When you hear such a thing, you will be happy but I do not know the people that came out with the ratings. But what is your net worth? I don’t know how much I am worth. I would not tell a lie but I do not know what I am worth in this country and in the world but I know that I am living well and I can afford my three square meals a day. How do you relax? When I wake up in the morning as early as 6am, I run round the house then I spend some time in the gym doing some exercises. After that, I have my bath and take breakfast. Sometimes I listen to music. I read a lot of books about the Yoruba race and I am very conversant with our ethnic history. I also read international journals. Recently, you published an excerpt of your book referring to the Ugbo stool as the oldest in Yorubaland. This claim appears to be in contrast with the history of Yorubaland, can you shed some light on your claim? If you read some of the articles which I wrote, I said it without any contradiction that I am the owner of the Yoruba nation. They claim that Oduduwa is the progenitor of the Yoruba race, yet he met my great-great grandfather, Oba Makin Osangangan, the son of Oraife in Ife. If you go to Ife today, they would testify to it because a lot of books have been written and they acknowledge this fact. A son of Ife, Dr. Moses Ajetunmobi, also wrote that when Oduduwa arrived at Ife, he met 13 communities and that Oduduwa came from Mecca. I was invited during the launching of the book and the late Oba Sijuwade wrote the dedication to the book. The late Oba wrote that he agreed with the findings of the erudite author. Also, the late Oba of Benin, a nice and brilliant monarch who I respected so much said in his book that the only Oba he respected in the South West is the Oba Olugbo of Ugbo, who resides in Ilaje and is the owner of Ife. If we are talking about the history of this country, the man was very rich, eloquent and brilliant. He knew a lot of things about this country. I remember some years back when I was with the Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Lamidi Adeyemi, and he said to me, ‘Olugbo your father is the owner of Ile Ife’. I have about 2000 authorities I can quote over this subject because I travel far and wide to study. I went to Portugal, Germany and I also visited the national archives in London. These are the places you can get our book; you cannot get any book here in a because most of our books have been distorted because they don’t want the truth to be known. What is the place of Ugbo land in the story of Moremi? Many people must have read about the Moremi episode. The Ugbos raided Ife many times, so they consulted Ifa and Osanyin for a solution. The oracle told them to put a beautiful lady in the market and they put Moremi there who later betrayed the Ugbo people. This is why she is never celebrated in Ugbo. We see her as a betrayer, someone who leaked our secret to Ife. That is another reason why Ugbo people do not marry ladies who are fair in complexion. We see such women as another Moremi. We believe that she was a traitor and a betrayer. She deceived us and leaked our secret to Ife, otherwise we would have kept invading them till date. There would not have been anybody in Ife if not for Moremi. That is why we can never celebrate her. She betrayed her husband, she was a killer and we can even call her an armed robber. That is why nobody in Ugbo can celebrate her. But was she not the link between the Ugbo and Ife culture? We had our sons in Ife, we had about seven quarters in Ife, so we did not rely on her. The two markets in Ife, Oja Ife and Oja Ayegbagun belonged to my great-great grandfathers, Oba Makin Osangangan and Oraife. The Aje of Ife belongs to our house. When you get to Ife, ask for Oke Remo and Ile Ero, you will see our people there. We did not need to rely on Moremi, she is a betrayer. If your ancestors were at Ife before Oduduwa, at what point did they leave Ife and even began to invade it? When Oduduwa came, he did not understand Ilaje language and it took him about 16 years before he could understand our language because he came from Mecca. When he arrived at Ife, he met the Oba Makin Osangangan in Ile Ero. It was my ancestor that received Oduduwa in Ile Ife. The first Yoruba history written by Samuel Johnson in 1889 stated that when Oduduwa arrived in Ife, he was wandering for about three months before he came out of the forest. Oduduwa fought with Obatala and defeated him. We had a lot of warriors that worked for Oba Makin Osangangan and they felt jittery about the man that came from nowhere to defeat Obatala. Our great-great grandfather had to retreat because they had families and a lot of property at Ife. Back then, the only thing the Ife people had was palm wine; that was their only economic power. The Ugbo people decided to retreat because they knew if they fought at Ife, the battle would affect their daughters, wives and children, so they retreated to Oke Mafuragan and they decided to attack Ife from there. Our people raided Ife successfully to the extent that the people of Ife thought our warriors came from heaven. So what is the place of your kingdom in Yoruba history? When we were in primary school, they taught us that Oduduwa is Lamurudu’s son. We were also told that Lamurudu came from Mecca, yet Oduduwa is the progenitor of Yoruba race, is that logical? Isn’t his father, Lamurudu supposed to be the progenitor of the Yoruba race and not Oduduwa? There was a lot of controversy surrounding the Yoruba race. Some people felt that an Oba was wealthy so they sided with him to achieve their goals and that was how history was distorted. I remember when I was in primary school, I learnt that about 25 professors were tasked with finding out the history of the Yoruba race and they did a beautiful job gathering information, they wrote the book beautifully and one of the things they wrote was that the Yoruba race belongs to the Ugbo people but the result of the research never saw the light of the day. If you look at what is happening in the South West, everybody is keeping quiet. We have a lot of sophisticated Obas but if they want to talk, they do so in their rooms or palours because they know I have what it takes to challenge them. I am talking with the authority I brought from overseas because the Portuguese are very rich with information when it comes to the history of the Yoruba. They are the first to come to Yoruba land especially in our area because we are close to the river and we are fishermen. We are the first people to have a treaty in 1884 and the British confirmed it. When we are talking about seniority, you have to acknowledge me. Don’t you think your claim is contradicting the known history of the Yoruba race? The Yoruba history has been distorted for a very long time and it would take time before the record can be set straight. I am not trying to re-write the history of the Yoruba race, I am only stating what happened. People have done a lot of bad things by distorting the history of the Yoruba race because of their ambition. This is the time of change for Yoruba race just like President Buhari has brought change to Nigeria. They have been deceiving us for a long time and I want to set the record straight. But why did you not raise these issues when the late Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuwade and the late Oba of Benin, Omo N’Oba Erediauwa were alive? I remember in 2013, when both kings were still alive, about ten newspapers reported it that I said ‘the Ugbos are the owners of Yorubaland’. Where were they then? They were alive and they read it but nobody contradicted my claims. What else do I want again? These kings were still in existence at the time I first spoke out. They acknowledged it. But why didn’t your predecessor say this before his demise? Look at what happened during the time of Jesus Christ; there were Moses, Joshua, John the Baptist, and other prophets before Jesus Christ. These prophets were not called progenitors of Christianity but Jesus Christ came for just 33 years and we proclaim him our saviour. That is exactly what happened; there is time for everything. It is not how far but how well. This is the time to speak out, it is never late. Are there records backing your claims? Yes we have a lot of records. The Alaafin of Oyo confirmed it, as it was widely reported. He confirmed it that my great-great grandfather was the owner of Ife. Also in the book of Omo N’Oba Erediauwa; it is there on pages 209 and 210. I said I have about 2,000 authorities on this subject. Before you can confront me, go and read your book well. If you meet me and you are not up to expectation, I would fault you and your kingdom; then your kingdom would fault you because you do not know anything. What is your relationship with the other monarchs in the Yoruba kingdom? I have one style; I do not believe in fighting with anybody because the person you fight today could later be your friend and help you in life tomorrow. What is your relationship with the new Ooni of Ife? I am not fighting with him. I call him a friend of Ugbo. I am not fighting with anybody. Proving my worth in the Yoruba nation does not mean that I am fighting him, I just want to set the record of Yoruba history straight. If he comes to my house, I will entertain him with whatever I have. That is my attitude towards life because I am a civilised Oba. I regard him as my friend even though I am older than him. I am friends with any Oba in Yoruba land and they are my friends as well. When would the body of your book be published? When I publish that book, it would be as if I detonated a bomb. It is then that you would know the kind of people that should be Oba in the Yoruba nation. A lot of people that are Obas now are not supposed to be on the throne. For instance, a slave cannot be an Oba, an hunchback cannot be an Oba. If your father is still alive, you cannot be an Oba. If your fingers are nine or eleven, you cannot be an Oba. Also, a deformed person cannot be an Oba; a bald man cannot be an Oba. In my book, I listed the qualifications of an Oba. That is why some people are misbehaving in the land. An Oba should sit at home while people would come and pay homage to him. You have to sit majestically, that is what they call an Oba. What are some of the taboos in Ugbo land? In Ugbo, anybody who is a prince cannot marry a slave because we do not want to taint our heritage. There is a hill in Ugbo that females cannot go to. The Oba must not see a dead person. An Oba cannot be present when a woman is giving birth even if she is your wife, other people would have to handle it. Once an Oba makes a decree, he cannot go back. We have a lot of festivals in Ugbo and before the masquerades come out, they first have to come to the palace; if it goes elsewhere, it would be disqualified. The Oba has to bless it before it goes to the public. When you want to get married in Ugbo, you cannot go to your intended in-laws’ house; you have to send some representatives from your family to the place. They would talk to your in-law on your behalf and pay the bride price. There is a way you pay the money and it is not much, it could cost about N10. The day you are to sleep with your wife, everything has to be brand new because when you sleep with your wife, your in-laws have to see the impact the following day, it must be proven that she was a virgin. Are you saying that virginity is still celebrated in Ugbo land? Yes, it is celebrated. It is just that it has been bastardised now. In those days, it was held in high esteem. How have you been managing to be a Christian monarch in a community that also practises traditional religion? It is very simple but you should remember that in those days, there was nothing like Christianity. Our colonial masters were the ones that brought it to Nigeria. What I did when I ascended the throne of my father was to tell my people that I would not abolish the culture they had been practising. I said instead, I would get someone who would be doing it for them. There is no conflict there. If anyone believes in it, then they should carry on but I believe in Christianity. There is no controversy there. Before you became a monarch, you were an oil magnate who had to move around the world. How were you able to adjust to the palace life? It was as if I knew I was going to become a monarch. I have very sound members of staff that are well trained. I sent some of them abroad for training while some of them were trained here. Two of my sons were trained to be able to handle my work. Even when I travelled out of the country, my sons and staff are there to manage the business. Many believe that before a Yoruba king is installed, he has to eat the heart of his predecessor; did you eat the heart of the king before you? I did all that I was supposed to do but I did not eat the heart of anybody, I was involved in all the necessary sacrifices. Copyright PUNCH. http://punchng.com/ugbo-people-dont-marry-ladies-fair-complexion-oba-olugbo-ugbo/ 1 Like 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Queen Ajoke Badirat Adeyemi Celebrates Her 28th Birthday With Beautiful Photos by isalegan2: 10:36pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
KingSango:They're Africans who are sick in the head. They disrespect our traditions but love and follow Prince Harry and Prince William girlfriend stories and hold the queen if England in high esteem despite their theft of our people and resources. They're lost. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Romance › Re: I'm so miserable by isalegan2: 8:35am On Nov 01, 2017 |
continentalceo:You're not credible. I hope the OP finds someone she deserves. And same for you. Amin ase! |
| Politics › Re: Hypocrisy Of The Nigerian And Blacks In General. by isalegan2: 11:03pm On Oct 31, 2017 |
meccuno:Donald Trump never said the above. |
| Politics › Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by isalegan2: 3:01am On Oct 31, 2017 |
Billyonaire:You should be tarred and feathered then boiled in oil. |
| Politics › Re: Buhari Meets Tinubu, Saraki, Dogara Others In Aso Rock by isalegan2: 2:56am On Oct 31, 2017 |
Clerverly:Oshiomole? The self-hating negro that abuses poor powerless widows, telling them to go and die! That Oshiomole? You people are not serious! I will hop on a plane and come to campaign against that sadist! |
| Politics › Re: Poverty rate and Yoruba reasoning by isalegan2: 2:34am On Oct 31, 2017 |
laudate:You're debating finances with a poster whose moniker is 419 squared. 3 Likes |
| Politics › Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by isalegan2: 12:17am On Oct 31, 2017*. Modified: 1:30am On Oct 31, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:My bad. There were multiple posts and your retorts to the OP that led me to conclude such. (I may also have ascribed authorship of one other poster's comments to you while I was speed reading at work. ) Taken by itself the quote I highlighted wouldn't convict you as a self-hater. But, generally knocking oral history, saying our people lack a deep history, using phrases like illiteracy, "unfortunate consequences" due to my ancestors lacking something despite the efforts they made to make sure you survived as a strong man with hardy DNA and sound mind,  will.I also disagree that our "history was never properly codified for posterity." Below is information about Ifa from an adherent who makes it his life's mission to preserve it and disseminate it to the generations. Because of persecution and colonisation we've been brainwashed that Africa has nothing. Who spread this lie? The same people who wanted to exploit us. Because "history" is written down doesn't make it truthful. It depends on the biases of the writer. We were harmed and continue to be harmed by propaganda. Propaganda and lies on a monumental scale. What is Ifa in real sense? Ifa is one of the orisa (divinity) of Yoruba people. It started in Ile-Ife since the beginning of Yoruba race. We know of Obatala, Ogun, Oya, Osun and so on. Ifa is one of them but it is different because it has more extensive literature than any other divinity. All the chants of Ogun can be rendered in two volumes; like the size of a Bible. But that of Ifa is versed. There are 256 odus (books) of Ifa. Each odu contains 800 stories. The first book is Ejiogbe and it has 800 stories. In all, we have a total of 204,800 stories. That will fill the size of a large library. There is no other literature in the world that has such volume. Ifa is the greatest heritage of Africa. It talks about everything. It is our own encyclopaedia which is held orally. It is a testimony to the fact that human brain can retain a lot of information without having to write anything. Unfortunately, a lot of it has been forgotten but a good deal of it is still alive. I have written 10 volumes on Ifa alone and is being used around the world. Nigerians don’t read books. In schools, they just read handouts or a few texts given by the teachers. About 25 years ago, I noticed that some of my books were not available, so I re-edited some of them. One of such books now sells for $1000 per copy in the US. http://punchng.com/i-was-ridiculed-for-returning-home-a-poor-senator-prof-wande-abimbola/ Obi1kenobi:Thank you for the above response to the poster who thinks we are not qualified to decipher the bible. Below is another of your comment that got my ire up. But we'll move forward. . .  Obi1kenobi: |
| Politics › Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by isalegan2: 7:42pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:Contrary to your earlier post, the bolded sentence above might lead readers to see you as being the one with inferiority complex as an African Igbo man. I don't know any Igbo that thinks any man is above him. Please stop denigrating the entire race. It doesn't look good on you. My people had a history and I'm sure you'll see yours do too, if you would stop judging it by Western imperialist standards. I for one don't see myself as a Jew. And I most certainly do not want any linkage to Israeli Zionists! My saying there might have been migration coming down south does not mean there weren't already people residing there. In Yoruba history, it is widely accepted that Oduduwa (the king) arrived in Ile-Ife and met people already established there. Where he may have travelled from is the only debate. We know Yoruba did not originate with Oduduwa (the king) although he is a venerable figure so much so that some think he is our progenitor. I will respond further, soon. I'm not picking a fight by the way. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by isalegan2: 2:43pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:I wouldn't be so quick to discount every bit of it. I used to believe there was zero connection between West Africans and Middle Easterners but looking at the Jewish exodus and the history of Oduduwa in Yorubaland, plus too many other historical "coincidences," I feel we can only benefit from more studies about the topic. Have you not seen in the last month how quickly an entire people can be displaced due to climate or war? Look at the result of the storms in Puerto Rico and the other island that was 99% destroyed. What of the migration of an entire people like the Rohingas in Asia? Knowledge is power. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Culture › Re: Beautiful Yoruba Brides In Their Costume by isalegan2: 2:28pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Henryyy:Yeah, my father hates terms like costumes and vernacular to refer to our national or cultural icons. I'm sure you meant no harm. Its just the terms people are use to gearing since they were little. Broda Laudate, you have to be clear about what are acceptable alternatives o. 1 Like |
| Nairaland General › Re: O Ye My People! by isalegan2: 4:07am On Oct 30, 2017 |
| Politics › Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by isalegan2: 9:34pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Is it safe to conclude that the Black Jews who fled that area to come South to Africa south of the Sahara desert were the Jewry that preceded Rabbinical Judaism? I believe there are two or more periods of what we rethink of as the Jewish religion. Rosskii:I hope some of us can discuss and understand this topic without having to believe in the fable of Noah's Ark, since personally I found it easier to believe in the magic (single) bullet theory that killed JFK and pierced though Governor Connally's body. No offense to anyone or Rossiki. devindevin2000:Lol. Rossiki is not Yoruba. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Nairaland General › Re: O Ye My People! by isalegan2: 6:41pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
| Romance › Re: I'm so miserable by isalegan2: 6:23pm On Oct 29, 2017*. Modified: 6:39pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
continentalceo:You don't have to respond again so you don't incriminate yourself, but this (below) is why I asked Amya: |
| Politics › Re: Worldwide Black Govt or Pan Kemet Government setup by isalegan2: 12:28am On Oct 29, 2017 |
naptu2:Is it scientifically concluded that aborigines of Australia are of African negroid extraction or simply "dark"-skinned due to environmental or other factors? Do we share the pertinent genome? We need Morpheus24 here. No I can't friend Google right now. 1 Like |
| Romance › Re: I'm so miserable by isalegan2: 12:02am On Oct 29, 2017 |
continentalceo:You weren't really doing drugs all day while she was gone, were you? |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: See What South Africans Had To Say Concerning Xenophobia by isalegan2: 11:48pm On Oct 28, 2017 |
isalegan2:I'll just update to say I sympathise more with South Africans now, after learning more over time what our Naija folks are doing there and in Ghana with all the drug dealing and criminal enterprising they're so proud of. 2 Likes |
| Celebrities › Re: Olamide , Phyno And Others Visit BBC London - Pictures by isalegan2: 11:15pm On Oct 28, 2017 |
chriskosherbal:You meant the opposite of smart.  |
| Politics › Re: Worldwide Black Govt or Pan Kemet Government setup by isalegan2: 4:29am On Oct 24, 2017 |
GenBuhari:GenBuhari, why are your recent posts (on other threads) blocked out? Are the mods being spiteful again? Reason NL will continue its downward trend. |
| Culture › Re: Ex-oba Of Benin’s Blessings Aided Lagos Development – Akiolu by isalegan2: 2:01am On Oct 24, 2017 |
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| Culture › Re: Ex-oba Of Benin’s Blessings Aided Lagos Development – Akiolu by isalegan2: 1:55am On Oct 24, 2017 |
step1:Respect to you, my broda.  But (I heard from a friend that) at least three different royal houses were claiming they were due to be on the throne after Adeniji Adele, and the  clan were already in court during Dosunmus reign and continued after his passing when Oyekan's coronation was rushed through, and again before Akiolu became Eleko. The fight continues. Vitoria e certa! |
| Politics › Re: Worldwide Black Govt or Pan Kemet Government setup by isalegan2: 6:55pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
naptu2:Naptu. Don't kill me with laughter. I checked out those profiles. What about my long lost love Fstranger? You know where he's hiding? Salute to GenBuhari. I can manage minister of social services or its equivalent. If a monarchy, I would like to be the king AND queen. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Food › Re: “if You Eat Fufu Or Eba With Your Hands, You Have No Home Training” – Lady by isalegan2: 7:06pm On Oct 17, 2017 |
jacyne: Who is she even supposed to be? |
| Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by isalegan2: 5:09pm On Oct 17, 2017 |
krattoss: |
| Sports › Re: Picture Of Jarus Meeting Super Eagles Technical Adviser, Gernot Rohr by isalegan2: 3:13pm On Oct 17, 2017 |
christiisrael2:Wow |
| Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by isalegan2: 11:32am On Oct 17, 2017 |
elyte89: I'm so out of the loop right now.  But I'm happy we made it. Up Super Eagles!  1 Like |
| Education › Re: Unilorin Utme 2015/2016 Aspirants by isalegan2: 10:51am On Oct 17, 2017*. Modified: 4:55pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
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What did you just say here? "Onitsha has small landmass but better residential buildings than the entire SW combined?" 
.miss oyibo go back and tell our fore fathers that they don't have manners iya were!!! Mtsheew!!!. 
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